Legends of Dragoon vs. Final Fantasy 7

FF7 is a pretty average RPG - overrated, but enjoyable and not garbage. LoD, however, was just pretty bad no matter what way you looked at it.argianas

Did you play FF7 at the time of its release or later? I can see saying it's over rated if you played it later on when RPGs advanced a little years later. But when it first came out it i felt like it set the bar for all RPGs to live up to from that point on.

I think concept wise, Legend of Dragoon was more right up my ally. Knights, castles, horses, etc. But FFVII was the better game even though it wasn't what I like in a Final Fantasy game.

What are your e-pinions? I think Legends of Dragoon is better.childzerotunes

Final Fantasy VII will always be considered one of the best RPG that has ever been made.

It gets bashed being overrated but when you are on the top, people loves to bash you. No other RPG has yet to match FFVII's perfection.

Legend of Dragoon on the other hand, had quite a bit of potential. I won't take that away from it. However, due to poor music score that killed the mood, overly complicated attacks, lack of world exploration, and poor pacing has ruined the game. The story was actually very interesting but it often went side tracked. The characters were also very interesting but setting was dull. The graphics weren't very nice but the design was very stylish. Add them all together, you get very mediocre RPG that had many great ideas that just didn't work that well in the end.

[QUOTE="childzerotunes"]What are your e-pinions? I think Legends of Dragoon is better.TriangleHard

Final Fantasy VII will always be considered one of the best RPG that has ever been made.

It gets bashed being overrated but when you are on the top, people loves to bash you. No other RPG has yet to match FFVII's perfection.

Legend of Dragoon on the other hand, had quite a bit of potential. I won't take that away from it. However, due to poor music score that killed the mood, overly complicated attacks, lack of world exploration, and poor pacing has ruined the game. The story was actually very interesting but it often went side tracked. The characters were also very interesting but setting was dull. The graphics weren't very nice but the design was very stylish. Add them all together, you get very mediocre RPG that had many great ideas that just didn't work that well in the end.

I don't think FFVII was perfect nor was it the best RPG ever made. However, I do acknowledge it as one of the most influential and revolutionary games ever released. At its time of release, it was something new and amazing. Nowadays, we see all the flaws and shortcomings, but it was way ahead of its time back then.

I think it will always be considered a influential game, but definitely not the best RPG ever made nor the best Final Fantasy ever made. For example, some ever consider Chrono Cross as the better game, including me in many ways. And in my personal opinion, I think FFVI and FFXII is the better FF than FFVII...but like I said before, FFVII is still the most important and influential of them all.

[QUOTE="argianas"]FF7 is a pretty average RPG - overrated, but enjoyable and not garbage. LoD, however, was just pretty bad no matter what way you looked at it.AboboSVT

Did you play FF7 at the time of its release or later? I can see saying it's over rated if you played it later on when RPGs advanced a little years later. But when it first came out it i felt like it set the bar for all RPGs to live up to from that point on.

I did when it was first released. It did raise the presentation bar. But other things were surprassed by other games at the time - characterization, gameplay, etc. However, most Americans didn't realize it for years as said games wouldn't be released in America for a few years. I however was at a college at the time, knew some students from Japan who brought their Japanese systems and games with them. Playing Grandia at the same general time as FF7, well, let's just say the gameplay alone blew FF7 out of the water, among other examples.

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[QUOTE="childzerotunes"]What are your e-pinions? I think Legends of Dragoon is better.ASK_Story

Final Fantasy VII will always be considered one of the best RPG that has ever been made.

It gets bashed being overrated but when you are on the top, people loves to bash you. No other RPG has yet to match FFVII's perfection.

Legend of Dragoon on the other hand, had quite a bit of potential. I won't take that away from it. However, due to poor music score that killed the mood, overly complicated attacks, lack of world exploration, and poor pacing has ruined the game. The story was actually very interesting but it often went side tracked. The characters were also very interesting but setting was dull. The graphics weren't very nice but the design was very stylish. Add them all together, you get very mediocre RPG that had many great ideas that just didn't work that well in the end.

I don't think FFVII was perfect nor was it the best RPG ever made. However, I do acknowledge it as one of the most influential and revolutionary games ever released. At its time of release, it was something new and amazing. Nowadays, we see all the flaws and shortcomings, but it was way ahead of its time back then.

I think it will always be considered a influential game, but definitely not the best RPG ever made nor the best Final Fantasy ever made. For example, some ever consider Chrono Cross as the better game, including me in many ways. And in my personal opinion, I think FFVI and FFXII is the better FF than FFVII...but like I said before, FFVII is still the most important and influential of them all.

Well which is why I said it is ONE of the best RPG ever made.

Meaning it is arguable that it is the best. You can make legit case for it.

And when I said perfection, I meant in terms of unity of story, pacing, presentation, and enjoyment. It did all of that well. There is so much RPG can take with randomly generated battles and ATB system but that was standard back then and it did very good job on that.

The mood was perfect in that game, and story was told in perfect pacing where you aren't told too much and there never was long segments where you aren't told anything. Which is why I say perfection. At least in terms of RPG, FFVII was darn near perfect.

Legend of Dragoon has fans? Why? The gameplay was boring (the developer's big idea was taking the timed hits of some ofFF7's limit breaks and making it a staple of the battle system, but since the timing was always the same,rather than breaking up the monotony, it increased the tedium) and the localization was horrible.

LoD's existence is good only because the kicking Sony took after releasing it convinced them to actually invest effort in localization (nowadays their localizations of rpgs are always high quality) which is a wonderful thing because Sony publishes the work of Level 5, arguably the most talented jrpg maker this side of Matsuno (who sadly had some sort of breakdown and has sworn off the intricate games thatgamers such as I love).

As for FF7, I don't think its one of the greatest jrpgs of all time (I have been playing jrpgs since Phantasy Star 1), or even its generation (Vagrant Story, Xenogears and Chrono Cross were all better) but itis a well crafted game which popularized jrpgs. Nowadays the jrpg market is so big companies are even bringing over old high quality jrpgs and giving them good localizations, back in the old days the market was so small some quality jrpgs never crossed the Pacific and the average quality of the localizations of those that did was much, much lower. So while one won't see me signing a petition demanding that Squenix make more FF7 spinoffs or sequels, I do respect it.