Let's talk sex

I can think of 2 reasons why they are strict.

1. You are controlling the character rather than just seeing what happens. So it will be more immersive.

2. Mainstream gaming is still pretty new. Some people are being paranoid about it, in a few years they won't be as uptight about it and ESRB will be a little looser.

no matter the rating, gaming is still considered a children's hobby.LoG-Sacrament

this is the unrealistic problem. the average gamer is in their late 20's.

I dont' see why you need it in video games. I mean theres already online porn. What else to you need???links136

its a natural part of life. some games feel incomplete without it tbh. we can have people's heads blown off but we cant see a boob? simply illogical.

There's actually plenty of dating sims in japan and probably some other countries (EU got 7 sins, as well as an uncensored scene Indigo Prophecy, which you can see online if you're curious). Anyway, I personally feel sex in games is often tacked on and/or tasteless, like the aforementioned scene in Indigo Prophecy that was bizarre and unconvincing when the two leads were enemies and join forces in the end....literally.

Still, I suppose there are two concerns about sex in games: At what point does digital images making love become interactive pornography? And how can they implement the material in a tasteful manner?

If it's there for a reason, not just to be shocking, I'm fine with it.

But an AO rating in inevitable. Probably because they draw a distinction between just watching it and actually controlling it.

If it's there for a reason, not just to be shocking, I'm fine with it.

But an AO rating in inevitable. Probably because they draw a distinction between just watching it and actually controlling it.

BuryMe

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If it's there for a reason, not just to be shocking, I'm fine with it.

But an AO rating in inevitable. Probably because they draw a distinction between just watching it and actually controlling it.

foxhound_fox

Ok well I understand the "tasteful" aspect you're all talking about, and I suppose that would be the next step to getting sexuality accepted in gaming, but why is even that a necessity? Sex in movies is sometimes tasteful, sometimes not. It doesn't much affect the rating. I do see a difference in just watching it on a movie and controlling it in a game, but there's plenty of cut scenes in games, including romantic ones. None of them ever have sex. You're no more immersed while watching a cut scene than you are while watching a movie, are you?

Ratings boards around the world consistently try to censor video games much more strictly than movies, and I just don't get why. Do they just assume that parents are incapable of doing their jobs in keeping objectionable material away from their young children? I mean, I got carded buying Metal Gear Solid 4 when it came out. I'm 23, and I look 23. I thought the woman was joking, but she wasn't. It's become harder and harder for kids to get their hands on rated-M games, so why can't Mature games contain mature subject matter for mature adults?

i really fail to understand why would you want it in normal games ? play hentai games if you like that much.

i hate it when a game has nudity and i'm totally against it. violence doesnt affect any healthy person but nudity affects everyone. in this era that has very low morality, why do you need want that morality to be lower ?

The Ratings boards around the world consider Video games as something children get access to. There are two standards: one for Movies in which they put sex scene in it for no reason other than titalation and Video games in which a games is banned because the character injects health into his arm. (This is seen as promoting drug abuse :roll: )

I think as long it is to do with the storyline of the game, I see no reason not to have sex scene in a game (cut scene only, no control)

[QUOTE="links136"]I dont' see why you need it in video games. I mean theres already online porn. What else to you need???OneWingedAngeI

its a natural part of life. some games feel incomplete without it tbh. we can have people's heads blown off but we cant see a boob? simply illogical.

That is a really good point.

I've always thought that freedom of speech should be expressed, even in movies and games.
Let us take "Mass Effect" as the main thing that backs up my view.

Mass effect has two scenes that implies that your Main character is having sexual intercourse, however it is done in a very tasteful way and the only Sexual body part you see is a butt at one point. There is also the chance of the implication of a Lesbian sexual relationship if you choose it to come to that and that is shown in a equally tasteful way.

I thought that having this option brough more depth to the characters and made it feel more like a movie as it is original intended, Nudity in games are in my way acceptable aslong as it has a purpose and it's done in a tasteful way.

But I can understand as to why you wouldn't want it in games as there are after all children playing the games too, which is also why I think it should get more strict with the "You need to be this old to purchase and play this".

The less nudity and sex in games the better. I would gladly download a patch to remove Eva from MGS3. She's the only thing I savagely dislike about that perfect game.

Sadly, I fear only a few games will be able to save themselves from the bosom invasion.

The less nudity and sex in games the better. I would gladly download a patch to remove Eva from MGS3. She's the only thing I savagely dislike about that perfect game.

Sadly, I fear only a few games will be able to save themselves from the bosom invasion.

Black_Knight_00

a game doesnt need nudity to be good and actually, it makes things worse...

exactly. till that part of the game, i thought it was perfect... and then it became cheap american movie...

a game doesnt need nudity to be good and actually, it makes things worse...

TheLegendKnight

Well, fortunately she appears seldom enough not to ruin the game's perfection.

Nudity can be either a form of art or a mundane instant gratification stim. The problem is game developers just can't seem to even try to make the first one.

Also, the more games become sexual, the more we'll be attacked by anti-game crusaders.

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[QUOTE="links136"]I dont' see why you need it in video games. I mean theres already online porn. What else to you need???69ANT69

its a natural part of life. some games feel incomplete without it tbh. we can have people's heads blown off but we cant see a boob? simply illogical.

That is a really good point.

It's the American way!!!!!!

I was in Gamestop when CoD4 released. I was behind a lady who was asking the clerk why the game was rated M, since she was buying it for her 9 year old. The clerk told her that it depicted realistic blood and violence and that people were getting killed all over the place. She then asked "but there's no nudity or sex, right?". The clerk said "no, but it is pretty graphic" and she said "oh, ok, I'll take it".

I have a 2 year old. And I'd much rather he sees a boob then a decapitation.

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[QUOTE="links136"]I dont' see why you need it in video games. I mean theres already online porn. What else to you need???Grieverr

its a natural part of life. some games feel incomplete without it tbh. we can have people's heads blown off but we cant see a boob? simply illogical.

That is a really good point.

It's the American way!!!!!!

I was in Gamestop when CoD4 released. I was behind a lady who was asking the clerk why the game was rated M, since she was buying it for her 9 year old. The clerk told her that it depicted realistic blood and violence and that people were getting killed all over the place. She then asked "but there's no nudity or sex, right?". The clerk said "no, but it is pretty graphic" and she said "oh, ok, I'll take it".

I have a 2 year old. And I'd much rather he sees a boob then a decapitation.

It does seem illogical, especially when only a few years before a kid would have been feeding off one all the time, then suddenly they are not allowed to see one again for more than 10 years. :?

It does seem illogical, especially when only a few years before a kid would have been feeding off one all the time, then suddenly they are not allowed to see one again for more than 10 years. :?

rb2610

LOL! So true!

I think its a thing that will pass with the newer generations. Our country is still governed by people who were raised with sex as taboo. Once today's kids grow up and are the ones making laws, we'll probably see things like this change.

Wow, I can't believe there's actually people here who think nudity is evil. I can certainly understand if you would prefer not to have it in your games, but why is it so much worse to you than violence?

I've heard stories like Grieverr's way too many times. For some reason, putting a bullet in another person's skull is considered less harmful than seeing some skin. I just don't get it.

Wow, I can't believe there's actually people here who think nudity is evil. I can certainly understand if you would prefer not to have it in your games, but why is it so much worse to you than violence?

I've heard stories like Grieverr's way too many times. For some reason, putting a bullet in another person's skull is considered less harmful than seeing some skin. I just don't get it.

NeverMore0

Personally I'm not discussing morality, but quality: games with nudity or sexual themes are generally cheesy and their storylines stink. Not that the game itself must be bad but it looks like sex and a deep involving plot are incompatible. I know someone will disagree and bring examples of sexy games with epic storylines but I'm convinced it's like I said.

Well, different countries have different views toward sex and violence. Remember how Manhunt 2 was banned for a time in the UK? Still, there are plenty of European commercials that depict nudity as something natural. Heck, I think part of the reason us American teenagers are so obsessed with sex and boobs is that it's forbidden for us, getting some is part of the thrill ;).

Um...I probably shouldn't have said that. Anyway, America is more open to violence in the entertainment industry for whatever reason.

look the bottom line is it shouldnt be up to ANYONE besides the developer if its in the game. you dont like it? too bad, dont buy the game. this is their work, not yours. who is anyone to say what they can put in their game or not? frankly, if you cannot appreciate it for what it is, you don't have to play it and i dont think you deserve to. im not talking about gratuitous sex or nudity, but when it has a place in the game (which no one other than the game's creator has a right to decide), then it should by all means be in there, in tact, fully.

with gears of war 2 allowing options for the game to be played with all the language and such either left in or edited out, that is great. if they can apply it to a sex scene, awesome. but i do not want my products censored for the crybabies who do not feel it has a place in the game. its not your game. i want the product as intended.

One wouldn't dare to talk about how he got laid in public gamingqueen

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]no matter the rating, gaming is still considered a children's hobby.OneWingedAngeI

this is the unrealistic problem. the average gamer is in their late 20's.

It could have been a gaming site where many adults go to and the children may have been left out. Most I know that most kids play video games, but the adults I know don't.

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[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]no matter the rating, gaming is still considered a children's hobby.mayforcebeyou

this is the unrealistic problem. the average gamer is in their late 20's.

It could have been a gaming site where many adults go to and the children may have been left out. Most I know that most kids play video games, but the adults I know don't.

For what it may matter, the average gamespot user is 15.

You say children will get access to it, but children can get acces to porn on the internet without even looking for it, search engines bring up loads of links to 18+ websites.... They should be more concerned about that rather than how a video game will affect there child :/

You say children will get access to it, but children can get acces to porn on the internet without even looking for it, search engines bring up loads of links to 18+ websites.... They should be more concerned about that rather than how a video game will affect there child :/

wigan_gamer

Simply put: a decent parent will install porn filters on his computer and do what humanly possible to make sure his kid doesn't watch R movies or play M/AO games or hang out with people who may show him such material. Parents can't be lazy in this matter. I think half the people on these forums are exposed to things unsafe for their age because their parents aren't acting to prevent it. This neglect harms us adults as well, since we see our entertainment attacked by anti-game crusaders, which wouldn't happen if kids didn't have access to it. We've seen it before: no one cares if a 30 years old plays COD4, but when a 10 years old does the skies will open and flames will rain on the industry.

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You say children will get access to it, but children can get acces to porn on the internet without even looking for it, search engines bring up loads of links to 18+ websites.... They should be more concerned about that rather than how a video game will affect there child :/

Black_Knight_00

Simply put: a decent parent will install porn filters on his computer and do what humanly possible to make sure his kid doesn't watch R movies or play M/AO games or hang out with people who may show him such material.

Simply put, parents should discuss these things with their children once they get old enough to start showing interest for them. In our digital age there's no way to stop a child from finding porn or violent material if he wants to.

Simply put, parents should discuss these things with their children once they get old enough to start showing interest for them. In our digital age there's no way to stop a child from finding porn or violent material if he wants to.

inoperativeRS

True, and you know why? Because laws on age restrictions exist but are not applied, so stores can illegally sell violent and erotic material to kiddies without fear of being sanctioned. As for the internet, I've been assured that filters work wonders.

The "kids will see it anyway, so it's ok" thing is an excuse: there are things that kids should not see. If parents keep on allowing them to, we will all pay the price seeing our favorite hobby under constant attack by the media.

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Simply put, parents should discuss these things with their children once they get old enough to start showing interest for them. In our digital age there's no way to stop a child from finding porn or violent material if he wants to.

Black_Knight_00

True, and you know why? Because laws on age restrictions exist but are not applied, so stores can illegally sell violent and erotic material to kiddies without fear of being sanctioned. As for the internet, I've been assured that filters work wonders.

The "kids will see it anyway, so it's ok" thing is an excuse: there are things that kids should not see. If parents keep on allowing them to, we will all pay the price seeing our favorite hobby under constant attack by the media.

It's quite naive to assume things like that. There simply are too many ways for children (who can be surprisingly creative) to obtain violent and pornographic content to be able to restrict them completely without having them under 24/7 surveillance.

I find it much more pedagogic to talk to the child and explain these things face to face than try to hide them behind lies and restrictions. Of course a 10 year old shouldn't play GTA in an ideal world, but if you explain why the stuff that happens in the game is bad at least he won't get confused when he plays the game after his friend had an older brother buy it for him.