Mass Effect's M-rating almost entirely for strong sexual content - CONFIRMED

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#1 AquaMantor
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http://xbox.qj.net/ESRB-gives-Mass-Effect-M-17-rating-for-partial-nudity-thong-underwear/pg/49/aid/97700

If thong underwear is really that bad, then I'm very surprised. I'm also wondering about the neccessity of a movie that shows Breast profiles of the female main characters.:|

However, that's not what matters. A while back, when the trailer was posted of Mass Effect, a lot of controversy was raised due to the fact that it was implied that there would be a sex scene later in the game between you and your chosen romantic interest. Just how explicit this scene is remains unknown, it could very well be that ESRB is paranoid about sex scenes ever since hot coffee, but the general response to the implication of the sex scene was an almost universal eye-roll at the sheer gratuitous, Hollywood-esque nature of it. I've put thought into this, maybe more than I should have, and I've realized that, in this game, much like in Jade Empire, you'll be able to have a romantic relationship with several of the members in your group if you choose so. If you've played that game, you'll remember that this 'romantic relationship' aspect was actually a fairly difficult thing to avoid, since practically every time you talked to a particular character, unless it was a homosexual relationship, you'd be progressing romantically with them in some way. It will probably be the same thing here, but the difference is that there will be sex this time. So, in a sense, you'll have a romantic relationship with a character in your party which will culiminate in a (hopefully) PG-13 rated sex scene. Does this sound...too nerdy to anyone else? I mean, yeah, there's pursuing a romance with a virtual girl for the purposes of an interesting storyline, but then there's pursuing a romance with a virtual girl and having sex with her for the purpose of...I don't need to go into it. The former is an interesting game, the latter is similar to a japanese dating sim, which are made to take advantage of Japan's lack of stable relationships. And, in my opinion, approaching the latter even slightly should be avoided at all costs. Jade Empire was already pushing that a little far, in the sense that it made things between you and the girl on the screen just a little bit personal, or at least tried to.

Maybe I'm overreacting? But I can't help but wonder...what would it be like if this game took it too far, and the guy playing the game had a girlfriend? Would it go so far as to make him feel slightly awkward and uncomfortable? Hopefully, at the very least, they'll know better than to do that. But the idea of the sex scene doesn't exactly have me hyped...

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Link doesn't work for me.
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Link doesn't work for me either.
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#4 Galzakian
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http://xbox360.qj.net/ESRB-gives-Mass-Effect-M-17-rating-for-partial-nudity-thong-underwear/pg/49/aid/97700

should work.

It is an interesting topic, and I wonder just how graphic the mentioned sex scene will be. I think it's a bit natural to question the relevance of one in what seems to be such a gigantic game like Mass Effect, I'm sure that the developers had what was in their minds a perfectly logical reason for having one, but I mean, really, is it necessary? You need to wonder whether the introduction of sex scenes into games will only further infuriate those who have campaigned to have excessive violence in games quashed.

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#5 dchan01
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If the sex scene in Fahrenheit was deemed AO, this will be pretty damn tame.
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#6 AfterShafter
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Grubby alien sex here we come!
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#7 erawsd
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Except for KOTOR, I believe every Bioware RPG has had character romances that eventually lead to sex. In fact, in BG2 you could get one of the characters pregnant. The sex was only implied before, this time they've decided to show a little bit more. It doesn't bother me at all since it doesn't sound explicit.

I'm more offended that they actually got a M rating for showing the outline of a woman's breast. The values in this country are so backwards.

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#8 rlake
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It is funny the ways in which we Americans subjectively judge the severity of objectionable content, particularly in relation to other developed nations.

Video games demonstrate this quirk so wonderfully: it is fine to kill, but only recently have games started to use "foul" language and even more recently have they begun to include nudity and sex.

It's the same reason why "Live Free or Die Hard" is PG-13. Hundreds of people die and even more are beaten senseless, but they can't get away with John's "Yippee-kay-aye" catch-phrase without it AUTOMATICALLY getting an "R" rating.

It's the same reason that words - WORDS - are censored on this very message board.

Our country is so backwards.

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whats BG2?
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#10 erawsd
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whats BG2?P_unit_131

Baldur's Gate 2.

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#13 UpInFlames
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Oh my God! Breast profiles! Thongs! Cover your eyes, Peter, or you'll be scarred for life!

What to say? This perfectly demonstrates the ESRB's double standard ratings and its paranoid fear of anything remotely sexual. As it was already pointed out, considering that the ESRB deemed Fahrenheit's and San Andreas' sex scenes AO-worthy material (which is laughable), this should come as no surprise.

I also hate this "is it really necessary" crap. The developers decided to put it in. It's their game. End of story. Who the hell are we to question its "necessity"?

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#14 SteelAttack
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Did anyone say thong? Teh horror! :o

It's a good thing. We are witnessing, first-hand, how gaming evolves as a story-telling medium, besides its role as an entertainment one; thus, we are (and will continue to) watching how strong willed developers try to push even further the boundaries of this medium. Let's just hope this trend continues, thongs or no thongs.

With the recent R* appeal, and news such as this one, the future looks a bit brighter for this industry full of double standards.

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#15 trifecta_basic
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This will be interesting...my opinion is if it's the right context it's fine, just the same as it is for a movie. Blcoking tame scenes such as IP's just holds the industry back.
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#16 AlwaysSoft
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Oh my God! Breast profiles! Thongs! Cover your eyes, Peter, or you'll be scarred for life!

What to say? This perfectly demonstrates the ESRB's double standard ratings and its paranoid fear of anything remotely sexual. As it was already pointed out, considering that the ESRB deemed Fahrenheit's and San Andreas' sex scenes AO-worthy material (which is laughable), this should come as no surprise.

I also hate this "is it really necessary" crap. The developers decided to put it in. It's their game. End of story. Who the hell are we to question its "necessity"?

UpInFlames

Indeed. This game sounds likeit promises to haveall of the "forbidden content" that a day at the beach entails. Perhaps little Peter should just not leave the house at all.

I also agree that it's ridiculous that any developer should have to second guess their vision due to what some anti-gaming activists might say. I hope to God that no developer has bowed down to that pressure in the past. Shame on you, Original Poster.

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#18 VMan
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Alien thongs! YES!

I want pointless sex scenes mixed in with my action. :P

dvader654

lol, that just sounds so funny in my head.

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#19 AquaMantor
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Alien thongs! YES!

I grew up on rated R action flicks, lots of violence, blood, foul language and nudity. Its about time games caught up. I want pointless sex scenes mixed in with my action. :P

dvader654

Hmm...that's a perspective I wish I could have. But I'm going to be playing this game on an HDTV in my living room...in front of other people...awkward...

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Honestly, I just don't see the place for sex in gaming. This is not going to be anything interactive. Its basically going to be a movie scene. If this is truly the reason the game gets an M rating, then it seems a bit unnecessary to me. This will severely lower the mass market appeal of a potentially groundbreaking title, all for several moments that are likely to be fairly inconsequential to the gaming experience. Granted, I'm making an assumption here, but based on what is in the letter from the ESRB, that's the conclusion that I've come to.

Sex is a very personal experience between people. Again, I just don't see its place in mainstream gaming.

I know its hard to have mature conversations about these things here, but whatever you pesronally like in your games isn't always what's desired by the masses. I know this will turn people off that I know from playing this game, even though they've looked forward to it for well over a year. Its truth, ladies and gents.

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#21 musicXpirate
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If a game is rated M, that should mean something to the consumer. If you can't handle mature content, don't buy a mature game.
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Hehe, in Baldur's Gate 2 not only was it possible to have sex with multiple characters, but there were also brothels and slavery, drug use and alcohol. To make things even better Viconia was an evil psychopath with a thing for Drow torture, kinky, and you could get Aerie pregnant.

You know what the game was rated? Got the original box sitting right next to me on a shelf with the rating 13 & up on it, aka T for teen.

In contrast, Mass Effect has a thong and a potential love scene...

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Hehe, in Baldur's Gate 2 not only was it possible to have sex with multiple characters, but there were also brothels and slavery, drug use and alcohol. To make things even better Viconia was an evil psychopath with a thing for Drow torture, kinky, and you could get Aerie pregnant.

You know what the game was rated? Got the original box sitting right next to me on a shelf with the rating 13 & up on it, aka T for teen.

In contrast, Mass Effect has a thong and a potential love scene...

the_mad_madman

ESRB has gotten a whole lot stricter since then. If you compared it to film ratings now, E would be G, E10+ would be PG, T would be PG/very very light PG-13 and M would be PG-13/R

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Honestly, I just don't see the place for sex in gaming.

I know its hard to have mature conversations about these things here, but whatever you pesronally like in your games isn't always what's desired by the masses. I know this will turn people off that I know from playing this game, even though they've looked forward to it for well over a year. Its truth, ladies and gents.

Darth_Tigris
The news that an outline of a breast appears in this game has completely turned your friends off after anticipating this game for years?
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ESRB has gotten a whole lot stricter since then. If you compared it to film ratings now, E would be G, E10+ would be PG, T would be PG/very very light PG-13 and M would be PG-13/R

AquaMantor

I know, and as crazy as it sounds I aprove of the M rating... I still can't help but find it funny though. In one game you've got piles of various debauchery but crap graphics while in the other light fluff stuff but amazing graphics to show it with, which is worse? I dunno, but ESRB seems to think graphics since BG is still rated T and you can buy it on store shelves easily enough even now.

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Honestly, I just don't see the place for sex in gaming. This is not going to be anything interactive. Its basically going to be a movie scene. If this is truly the reason the game gets an M rating, then it seems a bit unnecessary to me. This will severely lower the mass market appeal of a potentially groundbreaking title, all for several moments that are likely to be fairly inconsequential to the gaming experience. Granted, I'm making an assumption here, but based on what is in the letter from the ESRB, that's the conclusion that I've come to.

Sex is a very personal experience between people. Again, I just don't see its place in mainstream gaming.

I know its hard to have mature conversations about these things here, but whatever you pesronally like in your games isn't always what's desired by the masses. I know this will turn people off that I know from playing this game, even though they've looked forward to it for well over a year. Its truth, ladies and gents.

Darth_Tigris

Well, an M rating certainly doesn't lower the mass market appeal of a title. Many of the biggest games in this industry have M ratings slapped on the box.

Whether or not it is necessary is entirely up to the developer to decide, particularly on issues like this where you have one crowd who may be offended and another crowd that won't be. I have admit, its beyond my understanding how such a scene could completely turn someone off to the game. Knowing Biowaare, you'll likely get to choose if the characters have sex or not anyway.

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#27 FlaminDeath
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anyone know where to find said poster for.... examination on the adultness of it? stricly for scientific purposes ;)
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#28 ASK_Story
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Mass Effect already sounds like a soap opera in space.

At least it will be a hundred times better than all those crappy, horrible series on the Sci-Fi channel. :P

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#29 CarnageHeart
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Sexual content in quality games such as GTA, God of War and Xenosaga doesn't shock or horrify me and Mass Effect looks to be a superb game.

I've never felt a deep need to play a dating sim, but I am going to pick up Persona 3 (what looks to be a quality game in a series I greatly enjoy) despite dating sim elements, so my aversion to the genre isn't that powerful.

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I know its hard to have mature conversations about these things here, but whatever you pesronally like in your games isn't always what's desired by the masses. I know this will turn people off that I know from playing this game, even though they've looked forward to it for well over a year. Its truth, ladies and gents.Darth_Tigris

Catering to the masses isn't always the best idea, and not all developers strive to do so. Honestly, people who are turned off by things such as this seem way too uptight for a BioWare game...or going to the beach...or watching MTV.

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#31 ASK_Story
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Don't care nor do I mind what BioWare does.

I'm just waiting for the announcement for a PC version of this game.

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What rating do Rumble Roses XX (bondage gear and pantie shots) and DOA Beach Volleyball (pole dancing and glamour photography) get?
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Sex..... the final frontier :P
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Sex sells.
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[QUOTE="AquaMantor"][QUOTE="dvader654"]

Alien thongs! YES!

I grew up on rated R action flicks, lots of violence, blood, foul language and nudity. Its about time games caught up. I want pointless sex scenes mixed in with my action. :P

dvader654

Hmm...that's a perspective I wish I could have. But I'm going to be playing this game on an HDTV in my living room...in front of other people...awkward...

Yeah that is true, thank god I keep gaming in a seperate room. I still feel awkward when games drop f-bombs and others are watching, image a game sex scene, yikes.

It's probably a good idea to leave the games in the drawer (especially ones as deep as Mass Effect) when you are hosting non-gamer company.
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#37 solidgamer
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so i guess this game will get at bbfc 15 or a pegi 16 for us brits

mmmmm i sure the vast majority of teenagers know what a thong is and have seen one in some way shape or form. so why does it need to be mature content?

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So any form of crazy violence is ok (as long Rockstar dosent make it) but a sex scene is taboo? How old are you people? Sex is a natural part of life, arguably more so than shooting and killing and destruction. If a game is M rated, and not available to kids than I say we need MORE nudity, sex and other things of the ilk. The more we treat our hobby like toys, the more it perpetuates the gross double standards we have to put up with guys. Man up and look at some godamn boob it wont kill you trust me.
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So any form of crazy violence is ok (as long Rockstar dosent make it) but a sex scene is taboo? How old are you people? Sex is a natural part of life, arguably more so than shooting and killing and destruction. If a game is M rated, and not available to kids than I say we need MORE nudity, sex and other things of the ilk. The more we treat our hobby like toys, the more it perpetuates the gross double standards we have to put up with guys. Man up and look at some godamn boob it wont kill you trust me.GodModeEnabled

I'm not going to stand up for extreme violence in games, because I think its completely unnecessary too. But what's being talked about here in Mass Effect is NOT part of the gameplay. When you speak of gaming growing up, do you really mean gaming as in watching more adult cinemas in games? That's not GAMING to me. And that's what this is.

And, yes, I do know of people that will be hesitant on buying this once they see Partial Nudity on the front of the box, just as they would if it was extreme gore. If you have no problem with that, then that means they have different values than you. Without knowing exactly what they are getting (and NONE of us have actually SEEN the footage), I know they will be hesitant and I don't blame them.

This was Bioware's choice and if anyone thinks that they won't lose some sales because of this then you are being completely unrealistic. I'm not near saying the game will flop because I'm sure it will sell very well. But they will lose sales because of there choice to keep this content in the game. And, from how little actually appears in the game (based on the ESRB letter), I question whether it was indeed worth it ...

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When you speak of gaming growing up, do you really mean gaming as in watching more adult cinemas in games? That's not GAMING to me. And that's what this is.Darth_Tigris

I'm pretty sure he meant thematically. A game isn't just about gameplay (especially when it's done by BioWare), it's the whole package - gameplay, storyline, graphics, music, sound effects, theme. Horror or crime games are nothing without extreme violence. Likewise, a storyline that wants to delve into human relationships in a serious manner has to deal with sex as it is an integral part of every romantic relationship. If people are genuinely turned off by that, then I honestly have no idea what to say to that.

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[QUOTE="Darth_Tigris"]When you speak of gaming growing up, do you really mean gaming as in watching more adult cinemas in games? That's not GAMING to me. And that's what this is.UpInFlames

I'm pretty sure he meant thematically. A game isn't just about gameplay (especially when it's done by BioWare), it's the whole package - gameplay, storyline, graphics, music, sound effects, theme. Horror or crime games are nothing without extreme violence. Likewise, a storyline that wants to delve into human relationships in a serious manner has to deal with sex as it is an integral part of every romantic relationship. If people are genuinely turned off by that, then I honestly have no idea what to say to that.

I understand what you're saying completely. But we all would agree (maybe) that there are many things in life that we do that just don't belong in games.

Eating is part of our every day lives. Bathing is part of our every day lives (well, most of us anyway). Peeing and taking a dump are both parts of our every day lives. Games maturing and becoming more realistic should include all of that, right? I don't wanna play a game that includes all of that. Yes, those are part of our lives, but they're not really game-related fun.

Sex, yes, is a reality in most adult lives. But I question its place in gaming (especially in any type of detail). I remember playing Golgo 13 for the NES years ago and when you hooked up with a woman they would showthe outside of the hotel window and the light would go off as your health meter rose (kinda backwards if you ask me, but I digress). That felt ... weird to watch in a game, but it was not done in any type of graphic detail. For games to now have sex scenes where they show polygonal nudity feels ... exploitative to me. I've seen the sex scene in Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy online and that looked ridiculous to me. I just don't see its place in gaming to the extent that we're likely to see in Mass Effect.

Then again, maybe it will be completely avoidable ...

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[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

[QUOTE="Darth_Tigris"]When you speak of gaming growing up, do you really mean gaming as in watching more adult cinemas in games? That's not GAMING to me. And that's what this is.Darth_Tigris

I'm pretty sure he meant thematically. A game isn't just about gameplay (especially when it's done by BioWare), it's the whole package - gameplay, storyline, graphics, music, sound effects, theme. Horror or crime games are nothing without extreme violence. Likewise, a storyline that wants to delve into human relationships in a serious manner has to deal with sex as it is an integral part of every romantic relationship. If people are genuinely turned off by that, then I honestly have no idea what to say to that.

I understand what you're saying completely. But we all would agree (maybe) that there are many things in life that we do that just don't belong in games.

Eating is part of our every day lives. Bathing is part of our every day lives (well, most of us anyway). Peeing and taking a dump are both parts of our every day lives. Games maturing and becoming more realistic should include all of that, right? I don't wanna play a game that includes all of that. Yes, those are part of our lives, but they're not really game-related fun.

Sex, yes, is a reality in most adult lives. But I question its place in gaming (especially in any type of detail). I remember playing Golgo 13 for the NES years ago and when you hooked up with a woman they would showthe outside of the hotel window and the light would go off as your health meter rose (kinda backwards if you ask me, but I digress). That felt ... weird to watch in a game, but it was not done in any type of graphic detail. For games to now have sex scenes where they show polygonal nudity feels ... exploitative to me. I've seen the sex scene in Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy online and that looked ridiculous to me. I just don't see its place in gaming to the extent that we're likely to see in Mass Effect.

Then again, maybe it will be completely avoidable ...

For the record, Having sex is not as common as taking a dump is for most ( at least I sincerely hope not). Sex is an important occurrence that is both beautiful and integral to establishing a relationship with a partner. Believe me, theres quite a difference between an everyday occurrence like fingernail-cutting and "dump-taking" ...... and establishing a sexual relationship.

Also, by the description, there does not appear to be any nudity in this game whatsoever. Does a thong and a breast outline qualify as nudity in the society of your country? Geez, and I thought it was ridiculous enough that a woman's nipple is taboo when a man's nipple is fair game. Sounds like things in your country are taking it to a whole new level.

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I understand what you're saying completely. But we all would agree (maybe) that there are many things in life that we do that just don't belong in games.

Eating is part of our every day lives. Bathing is part of our every day lives (well, most of us anyway). Peeing and taking a dump are both parts of our every day lives. Games maturing and becoming more realistic should include all of that, right? I don't wanna play a game that includes all of that. Yes, those are part of our lives, but they're not really game-related fun.Darth_Tigris

There's an obvious and staggering difference between something as mundane as eating and peeing and whatnot, and a sexual relationship. Even so, there are indeed fun games that include all that - The Sims series.

Sex, yes, is a reality in most adult lives. But I question its place in gaming (especially in any type of detail). I remember playing Golgo 13 for the NES years ago and when you hooked up with a woman they would showthe outside of the hotel window and the light would go off as your health meter rose (kinda backwards if you ask me, but I digress). That felt ... weird to watch in a game, but it was not done in any type of graphic detail. For games to now have sex scenes where they show polygonal nudity feels ... exploitative to me. I've seen the sex scene in Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy online and that looked ridiculous to me. I just don't see its place in gaming to the extent that we're likely to see in Mass Effect.

Then again, maybe it will be completely avoidable...Darth_Tigris

This is where we differ. You want to keep gaming as innocent and surreal as possible...perhaps as a last connection to your childhood, I don't know. On the other hand, I want gaming to grow alongside me and fulfill my needs as an evolving adult. Not every game has to be about alien invasions and orcs and elves - I enjoy those very much, though. I want games that treat me like an adult like all other entertainment media does. I want extreme violence, I want profanity, and I want sex. I want meaningful social commentary, I want characters that feel like real people, and I want those characters to have as deep relationships as possible - both emotional and sexual. Why? Because as a breathing human being, that is what I can relate to, that is what can impact me the most, that is my reality, that is who I am.

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[QUOTE="Darth_Tigris"]I understand what you're saying completely. But we all would agree (maybe) that there are many things in life that we do that just don't belong in games.

Eating is part of our every day lives. Bathing is part of our every day lives (well, most of us anyway). Peeing and taking a dump are both parts of our every day lives. Games maturing and becoming more realistic should include all of that, right? I don't wanna play a game that includes all of that. Yes, those are part of our lives, but they're not really game-related fun.UpInFlames

There's an obvious and staggering difference between something as mundane as eating and peeing and whatnot, and a sexual relationship. Even so, there are indeed fun games that include all that - The Sims series.

Sex, yes, is a reality in most adult lives. But I question its place in gaming (especially in any type of detail). I remember playing Golgo 13 for the NES years ago and when you hooked up with a woman they would showthe outside of the hotel window and the light would go off as your health meter rose (kinda backwards if you ask me, but I digress). That felt ... weird to watch in a game, but it was not done in any type of graphic detail. For games to now have sex scenes where they show polygonal nudity feels ... exploitative to me. I've seen the sex scene in Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy online and that looked ridiculous to me. I just don't see its place in gaming to the extent that we're likely to see in Mass Effect.

Then again, maybe it will be completely avoidable...Darth_Tigris

This is where we differ. You want to keep gaming as innocent and surreal as possible...perhaps as a last connection to your childhood, I don't know. On the other hand, I want gaming to grow alongside me and fulfill my needs as an evolving adult. Not every game has to be about alien invasions and orcs and elves - I enjoy those very much, though. I want games that treat me like an adult like all other entertainment media does. I want extreme violence, I want profanity, and I want sex. I want meaningful social commentary, I want characters that feel like real people, and I want those characters to have as deep relationships as possible - both emotional and sexual. Why? Because as a breathing human being, that is what I can relate to, that is what can impact me the most, that is my reality, that is who I am.

Superb post :)
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Sex is great. I want to have it... in Game.
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I know this will turn people off that I know from playing this game, even though they've looked forward to it for well over a year. Its truth, ladies and gents.

Darth_Tigris

Then they deserve to miss out on potentially one of the best games of the year.

They also deserve to be labeled as hypocrites if they turn their nose up at sexual content but have no qualms blasting enemies into bloody viscera. The notion that sex is offensive but violence is completely acceptable is as ignorant as it is antiquated.

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I understand what you're saying completely. But we all would agree (maybe) that there are many things in life that we do that just don't belong in games.

Eating is part of our every day lives. Bathing is part of our every day lives (well, most of us anyway). Peeing and taking a dump are both parts of our every day lives. Games maturing and becoming more realistic should include all of that, right? I don't wanna play a game that includes all of that. Yes, those are part of our lives, but they're not really game-related fun.

Sex, yes, is a reality in most adult lives. But I question its place in gaming (especially in any type of detail). I remember playing Golgo 13 for the NES years ago and when you hooked up with a woman they would showthe outside of the hotel window and the light would go off as your health meter rose (kinda backwards if you ask me, but I digress). That felt ... weird to watch in a game, but it was not done in any type of graphic detail. For games to now have sex scenes where they show polygonal nudity feels ... exploitative to me. I've seen the sex scene in Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy online and that looked ridiculous to me. I just don't see its place in gaming to the extent that we're likely to see in Mass Effect.

Then again, maybe it will be completely avoidable ...

Darth_Tigris

It's already been done. It's called The Sims; and it's one of the best selling PC games ever.

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[QUOTE="Darth_Tigris"]I understand what you're saying completely. But we all would agree (maybe) that there are many things in life that we do that just don't belong in games.

Eating is part of our every day lives. Bathing is part of our every day lives (well, most of us anyway). Peeing and taking a dump are both parts of our every day lives. Games maturing and becoming more realistic should include all of that, right? I don't wanna play a game that includes all of that. Yes, those are part of our lives, but they're not really game-related fun.UpInFlames

There's an obvious and staggering difference between something as mundane as eating and peeing and whatnot, and a sexual relationship. Even so, there are indeed fun games that include all that - The Sims series.

Sex, yes, is a reality in most adult lives. But I question its place in gaming (especially in any type of detail). I remember playing Golgo 13 for the NES years ago and when you hooked up with a woman they would showthe outside of the hotel window and the light would go off as your health meter rose (kinda backwards if you ask me, but I digress). That felt ... weird to watch in a game, but it was not done in any type of graphic detail. For games to now have sex scenes where they show polygonal nudity feels ... exploitative to me. I've seen the sex scene in Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy online and that looked ridiculous to me. I just don't see its place in gaming to the extent that we're likely to see in Mass Effect.

Then again, maybe it will be completely avoidable...Darth_Tigris

This is where we differ. You want to keep gaming as innocent and surreal as possible...perhaps as a last connection to your childhood, I don't know. On the other hand, I want gaming to grow alongside me and fulfill my needs as an evolving adult. Not every game has to be about alien invasions and orcs and elves - I enjoy those very much, though. I want games that treat me like an adult like all other entertainment media does. I want extreme violence, I want profanity, and I want sex. I want meaningful social commentary, I want characters that feel like real people, and I want those characters to have as deep relationships as possible - both emotional and sexual. Why? Because as a breathing human being, that is what I can relate to, that is what can impact me the most, that is my reality, that is who I am.

Yes, that is where we fundentally differ. I want games to grow alongside me as well and fulfill my needs as an evolving adult. But ADULT to me doesn't mean extreme violence, profanity and sex. In my adult maturity, I see those as part of an arrested development that I've moved past. I truly desire for gaming to grow and reach even deeper into providing an entertainment experience that cannot be had elsewhere. But graphic violence, pervasive language and gratuitous sex or nudity is not growth to me. Just because you CAN do something doesn't always mean that you should.

I do agree that meaningful social commentary and layered character depth is something that will POWERFUL grow the storytelling in gaming and Bioware is quite adept at that. THAT is adult to me. All of that can be pulled off without gore, rampant profanity and nudity. I want games of relevance that resonate on multiple levels and, in all of that, still maintain an undeniable level of pure fun gameplay.

You and I seem to be closer than we are apart, and I know that games can find a way to satisfy us both.

NOTE: For those that are ripping any individual that hesitates purchasing this because of partial nudity, I ask that you not judge others for their values as they too not judge you for yours. I can't believe that I'm asking forthat on the internets ...

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Alien thongs! YES!

I grew up on rated R action flicks, lots of violence, blood, foul language and nudity. Its about time games caught up. I want pointless sex scenes mixed in with my action. :P

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Hmm...that's a perspective I wish I could have. But I'm going to be playing this game on an HDTV in my living room...in front of other people...awkward...

not really, especially if you're 17 or older, you know the age you should be to play this game.

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Hmm...since I'm only 15 it could actually be a challenge for me to be able to get this game when it comes out, but if it's just thong underwear and some side-boob, it probably won't effect me much.

So to somebody, answer this question: Since I already have Gears of War and Rainbow Six: Vegas, do you think I'll be successful in getting Mass Effect?