Mortal Kombat Returns To Its Roots?

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#1 dr-bones
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Being a huge MK fan since the original was released in arcades so long ago, the trailer for the latest installment simply blew me away. 2D style fighting returns, along with it's old-skool speed and combo ideas. We've been promised a ton of gore, but none has really been shown in the trailer. I think that the finished version will pretty much paint your screen red though. All the fighters that were shown in action are from the first three MK games (including an old favourite of mine, Sektor, who never really got a great chance to grow as a character in the old games, due to his lack of appearances), with some of the newer characters shown in some of the backgrounds.

What are you expecting from this game?

The mother of gore has returned :twisted:

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#2 Rekunta
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To be blunt, I'm expecting that it'll suck. What they need to do is scrap everything and start from scratch. The only thing they should keep is the digitized characters and backgrounds of the originals. I'll keep my eyes on it but after so many dismal sequels, I'm not holding my breath.

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#3 Daavpuke
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I don't know. It didn't look too impressive to me. The speed was good, but other than that, it seemed like same old.
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#4 DarkCatalyst
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I'm expecting the same as always - an interesting continuity and terrible games.
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#5 mariomaster16
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actually, i hope it is exaclty like the originals, with minor improvements. when they remake a game but try to modernize it it usually sucks. over-the-top gore and violence is what fans of the series remember and cherish there's no need to add characters or lame gameplay mechanics to make it seem fresh; just give us what we love.

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#6 MagnumPI
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The only thing that made MK an interesting was that fact that is gory. Other than that it was just another mediocre fighting game and no sequal or remake will ever be able to take advantage of a novelty that was played out 15 years ago.

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#7 DraugenCP
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I dunno. They did good renovating the series with Deadly Alliance, Deception, and Armageddon, with multiple fighting styles, worthwhile adventure modes, and 3D arenas. I can imagine them wanting to do something new, but I don't know if going back to the roots is actually a step forward. The 'no complicated 3D arenas' comment in the video was a bit retarded, though.

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I'm hoping that it really does go back to its roots but I'm definately not going out to buy it the day it comes out.

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#9 outworld222
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I'm hoping that it really does go back to its roots but I'm definately not going out to buy it the day it comes out.

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because you like less innovative games???

Everyone here doesn't know how good the game is!!! You wouldn't know if it hits you in the face!!!

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I've played every MK game since the first one many years ago in my local arcade. I always felt that MK was more about impact and effect, than deep fighting mechanics. Saying that the first three games were fun if somewhat broken, and the fatality's always raised a chuckle. I think MK going into the realms of 3D killed the game and showed just how broken the system could be. Allowing fireball moves but then also allowing full 3D movement? Baffling to say the least. The new trailer clearly shows MK going back to its roots, which is where it should have stayed really. I think Ed Boon has looked closely at the success of SF4 and the resurgence of fighting games as a whole. I think MK going back to a 2D plane is no coincidence.

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I've played every MK game since the first one many years ago in my local arcade. I always felt that MK was more about impact and effect, than deep fighting mechanics. Saying that the first three games were fun if somewhat broken, and the fatality's always raised a chuckle. I think MK going into the realms of 3D killed the game and showed just how broken the system could be. Allowing fireball moves but then also allowing full 3D movement? Baffling to say the least. The new trailer clearly shows MK going back to its roots, which is where it should have stayed really. I think Ed Boon has looked closely at the success of SF4 and the resurgence of fighting games as a whole. I think MK going back to a 2D plane is no coincidence.

dragonps
I just wonder how interested he's going to be deep in the development cycle. Is he looking to recapture whatever energy it was within the team that brought us Ultimate MK3, or will he phone it in and settle for something that just "feels like old MK"? If he's looking to jump on SFIV's coattails, it needs to be the second coming of UMK3. That's what it would take for him to also get the tournament players on board that would really keep the momentum going, but they're the first ones who jump on the bugs and glitches that break lazily-developed fighting games (like every single other installment of the MK series).
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#12 Metamania
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[QUOTE="dragonps"]

I've played every MK game since the first one many years ago in my local arcade. I always felt that MK was more about impact and effect, than deep fighting mechanics. Saying that the first three games were fun if somewhat broken, and the fatality's always raised a chuckle. I think MK going into the realms of 3D killed the game and showed just how broken the system could be. Allowing fireball moves but then also allowing full 3D movement? Baffling to say the least. The new trailer clearly shows MK going back to its roots, which is where it should have stayed really. I think Ed Boon has looked closely at the success of SF4 and the resurgence of fighting games as a whole. I think MK going back to a 2D plane is no coincidence.

DarkCatalyst

I just wonder how interested he's going to be deep in the development cycle. Is he looking to recapture whatever energy it was within the team that brought us Ultimate MK3, or will he phone it in and settle for something that just "feels like old MK"? If he's looking to jump on SFIV's coattails, it needs to be the second coming of UMK3. That's what it would take for him to also get the tournament players on board that would really keep the momentum going, but they're the first ones who jump on the bugs and glitches that break lazily-developed fighting games (like every single other installment of the MK series).

To be honest, UMK3 and MKT were probably the best two games in the entire series. It has to play out like those kinds of games in order to win back fans, IMO.

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#13 Treflis
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I think it can be much better then the 3D Mortal combat games. I hope it'll be fun to play but i also fear it might only intrigue the people who played the frist Mortal combat games back in the 90ties.
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#14 DarkCatalyst
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[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"][QUOTE="dragonps"]

I've played every MK game since the first one many years ago in my local arcade. I always felt that MK was more about impact and effect, than deep fighting mechanics. Saying that the first three games were fun if somewhat broken, and the fatality's always raised a chuckle. I think MK going into the realms of 3D killed the game and showed just how broken the system could be. Allowing fireball moves but then also allowing full 3D movement? Baffling to say the least. The new trailer clearly shows MK going back to its roots, which is where it should have stayed really. I think Ed Boon has looked closely at the success of SF4 and the resurgence of fighting games as a whole. I think MK going back to a 2D plane is no coincidence.

Metamania

I just wonder how interested he's going to be deep in the development cycle. Is he looking to recapture whatever energy it was within the team that brought us Ultimate MK3, or will he phone it in and settle for something that just "feels like old MK"? If he's looking to jump on SFIV's coattails, it needs to be the second coming of UMK3. That's what it would take for him to also get the tournament players on board that would really keep the momentum going, but they're the first ones who jump on the bugs and glitches that break lazily-developed fighting games (like every single other installment of the MK series).

To be honest, UMK3 and MKT were probably the best two games in the entire series. It has to play out like those kinds of games in order to win back fans, IMO.

UMK3 belongs in the top spot, by a mile, but even MKT was a bug-infested turd. This is a series with just one "high-point" game. Honestly, you could take either of the old playstyles (MK2 or UMK3) and make a great game, IF you scrutinize move properties before release. You don't need the Run button, it just so happens that the one good game in the series implemented it.
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#15 dragonps
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[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"][QUOTE="dragonps"]

I've played every MK game since the first one many years ago in my local arcade. I always felt that MK was more about impact and effect, than deep fighting mechanics. Saying that the first three games were fun if somewhat broken, and the fatality's always raised a chuckle. I think MK going into the realms of 3D killed the game and showed just how broken the system could be. Allowing fireball moves but then also allowing full 3D movement? Baffling to say the least. The new trailer clearly shows MK going back to its roots, which is where it should have stayed really. I think Ed Boon has looked closely at the success of SF4 and the resurgence of fighting games as a whole. I think MK going back to a 2D plane is no coincidence.

Metamania

I just wonder how interested he's going to be deep in the development cycle. Is he looking to recapture whatever energy it was within the team that brought us Ultimate MK3, or will he phone it in and settle for something that just "feels like old MK"? If he's looking to jump on SFIV's coattails, it needs to be the second coming of UMK3. That's what it would take for him to also get the tournament players on board that would really keep the momentum going, but they're the first ones who jump on the bugs and glitches that break lazily-developed fighting games (like every single other installment of the MK series).

To be honest, UMK3 and MKT were probably the best two games in the entire series. It has to play out like those kinds of games in order to win back fans, IMO.

I hope it doesn't play like MKT, that was the worst of all. So many glitches and bugs ruined that game, they simply tried to fit too much stuff into it.
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Yeah, after watching the trailer, i can honestly say i'm pretty impressed. I see a lot of people here disagree with me and i can understand where they're coming from. Seems like MK fans have been burned so many times with each crappy iteration of recent MK games, there's good reason for doubt. But after this trailer, it clear as day to me that this game is going in the right direction. MK was never meant to be a 3d fighter, and hopefully they simplified the mechanics b/c have two fighting styles and a third weapon style was kinda overdoing. Not really sure if i'll like tag fighting with MK but it's worked very well in other series so i'll give it a shot.

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Yeah, after watching the trailer, i can honestly say i'm pretty impressed. I see a lot of people here disagree with me and i can understand where they're coming from. Seems like MK fans have been burned so many times with each crappy iteration of recent MK games, there's good reason for doubt. But after this trailer, it clear as day to me that this game is going in the right direction. MK was never meant to be a 3d fighter, and hopefully they simplified the mechanics b/c have two fighting styles and a third weapon style was kinda overdoing. Not really sure if i'll like tag fighting with MK but it's worked very well in other series so i'll give it a shot.

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The problem runs deeper than just a 2D/3D issue. MK has a single good game in its entire history - one good game in a history spanning 18 years and numerous iterations. Going back to 2D gives it a fighting chance, sure, but unless Ed Boon kicks his laziness aside and actually tries to make another UMK3, we're stuck with an MK2 or MK3, something that simply can't stand up with the great fighting games of our time.
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#18 dragonps
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[QUOTE="4NGoods"]

Yeah, after watching the trailer, i can honestly say i'm pretty impressed. I see a lot of people here disagree with me and i can understand where they're coming from. Seems like MK fans have been burned so many times with each crappy iteration of recent MK games, there's good reason for doubt. But after this trailer, it clear as day to me that this game is going in the right direction. MK was never meant to be a 3d fighter, and hopefully they simplified the mechanics b/c have two fighting styles and a third weapon style was kinda overdoing. Not really sure if i'll like tag fighting with MK but it's worked very well in other series so i'll give it a shot.

DarkCatalyst
The problem runs deeper than just a 2D/3D issue. MK has a single good game in its entire history - one good game in a history spanning 18 years and numerous iterations. Going back to 2D gives it a fighting chance, sure, but unless Ed Boon kicks his laziness aside and actually tries to make another UMK3, we're stuck with an MK2 or MK3, something that simply can't stand up with the great fighting games of our time.

I think you make a very good point dude, when I picture Ed Boon I simply see his eyes light up with notes. I don't think the dev's quite understand what the problem is, the problem is not gore there's always been plenty of that. The main problem I would say, is how MK is going to define itself amongst the SF4's the KOF's and so forth.
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#19 DarkCatalyst
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[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"][QUOTE="4NGoods"]

Yeah, after watching the trailer, i can honestly say i'm pretty impressed. I see a lot of people here disagree with me and i can understand where they're coming from. Seems like MK fans have been burned so many times with each crappy iteration of recent MK games, there's good reason for doubt. But after this trailer, it clear as day to me that this game is going in the right direction. MK was never meant to be a 3d fighter, and hopefully they simplified the mechanics b/c have two fighting styles and a third weapon style was kinda overdoing. Not really sure if i'll like tag fighting with MK but it's worked very well in other series so i'll give it a shot.

dragonps

The problem runs deeper than just a 2D/3D issue. MK has a single good game in its entire history - one good game in a history spanning 18 years and numerous iterations. Going back to 2D gives it a fighting chance, sure, but unless Ed Boon kicks his laziness aside and actually tries to make another UMK3, we're stuck with an MK2 or MK3, something that simply can't stand up with the great fighting games of our time.

I think you make a very good point dude, when I picture Ed Boon I simply see his eyes light up with notes. I don't think the dev's quite understand what the problem is, the problem is not gore there's always been plenty of that. The main problem I would say, is how MK is going to define itself amongst the SF4's the KOF's and so forth.

What we know for a fact is, at the very least, 2D MK does have a working formula. There has been a success. For all that's been established of Boon being a lazy underachiever, Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 is a big positive on his resumé, and serves as a reason to maybe not give this game the automatic benefit of the doubt, but at least consider that it just might work.

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The game looks awsome, I can't wait!!

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[QUOTE="4NGoods"]

Yeah, after watching the trailer, i can honestly say i'm pretty impressed. I see a lot of people here disagree with me and i can understand where they're coming from. Seems like MK fans have been burned so many times with each crappy iteration of recent MK games, there's good reason for doubt. But after this trailer, it clear as day to me that this game is going in the right direction. MK was never meant to be a 3d fighter, and hopefully they simplified the mechanics b/c have two fighting styles and a third weapon style was kinda overdoing. Not really sure if i'll like tag fighting with MK but it's worked very well in other series so i'll give it a shot.

DarkCatalyst
The problem runs deeper than just a 2D/3D issue. MK has a single good game in its entire history - one good game in a history spanning 18 years and numerous iterations. Going back to 2D gives it a fighting chance, sure, but unless Ed Boon kicks his laziness aside and actually tries to make another UMK3, we're stuck with an MK2 or MK3, something that simply can't stand up with the great fighting games of our time.

Your analysis is dead wrong, I am sorry to say. Its backwards. All the other Japanese games look clunky and unrealistic. I mean, dragon balls??? Virtual Fighter??? Common, get real. BTW, MK2 and MK3 were great games. If they replicate something like this, but in context of our time, this is the most anyone can wish for. Oh, and Ed boon, believe me he's not lazy. He can program loops around any programmer. He's just that factually good.
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[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"][QUOTE="4NGoods"]

Yeah, after watching the trailer, i can honestly say i'm pretty impressed. I see a lot of people here disagree with me and i can understand where they're coming from. Seems like MK fans have been burned so many times with each crappy iteration of recent MK games, there's good reason for doubt. But after this trailer, it clear as day to me that this game is going in the right direction. MK was never meant to be a 3d fighter, and hopefully they simplified the mechanics b/c have two fighting styles and a third weapon style was kinda overdoing. Not really sure if i'll like tag fighting with MK but it's worked very well in other series so i'll give it a shot.

outworld222
The problem runs deeper than just a 2D/3D issue. MK has a single good game in its entire history - one good game in a history spanning 18 years and numerous iterations. Going back to 2D gives it a fighting chance, sure, but unless Ed Boon kicks his laziness aside and actually tries to make another UMK3, we're stuck with an MK2 or MK3, something that simply can't stand up with the great fighting games of our time.

Your analysis is dead wrong, I am sorry to say. Its backwards. All the other Japanese games look clunky and unrealistic. I mean, dragon balls??? Virtual Fighter??? Common, get real. BTW, MK2 and MK3 were great games. If they replicate something like this, but in context of our time, this is the most anyone can wish for. Oh, and Ed boon, believe me he's not lazy. He can program loops around any programmer. He's just that factually good.

Typical fan response. Ignore function and focus only on style. Virtua Fighter is consistently the gold standard for balance and polish in fighting games. Dragon Ball you can attack all you'd like, you'll never find a serious fighting gamer looking to defend it anyway. When Ed Boon can make a fighting game with the balance and depth of a Virtua Fighter, or even just a Tekken, I'll respect him as a game developer. He has a great sense of style, but nothing else.
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[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]The problem runs deeper than just a 2D/3D issue. MK has a single good game in its entire history - one good game in a history spanning 18 years and numerous iterations. Going back to 2D gives it a fighting chance, sure, but unless Ed Boon kicks his laziness aside and actually tries to make another UMK3, we're stuck with an MK2 or MK3, something that simply can't stand up with the great fighting games of our time.outworld222
Your analysis is dead wrong, I am sorry to say. Its backwards. All the other Japanese games look clunky and unrealistic. I mean, dragon balls??? Virtual Fighter??? Common, get real. BTW, MK2 and MK3 were great games. If they replicate something like this, but in context of our time, this is the most anyone can wish for. Oh, and Ed boon, believe me he's not lazy. He can program loops around any programmer. He's just that factually good.

colbertsaysno

:lol:

Saying Virtua Fighter, one of the most technical and highly praised fighting games series, is clunky and unrealistic when comparing it to... of all games, Mortal Kombat? :lol: Yeah, good one.

MK2 and MK3 doesn't stand the test of time anymore. DC was pointing out if that's the base for the new game, it won't stand well at all. UMK3 is still the best MK game to this day (and personally one my favorites). Hell, even with all the flak it gets, MK vs DC is the only runner up and as near close to be taken as a serious fighting game in the MK series.

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Eh, to each his own. That four eye image of Steven Colber is not gonna impress me.

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If Stryker is in it im gonna puke my pants.

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#26 realblood33
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i dont get why they had to go back to 2D, just coz the past 3D MK games sucked ? but thats not an answer to their problem, they need to dig deep in their talent pool to come up with a game that thrills the fans without sacrificing contemporary visuals JMO.
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I honestly feel the 3D games had a chance to be better then the current out put. It seem like they were in the right direction until armaggedon. With that said I'm reluctant to see what MK will be in thenear future. I feel like the 2D thing doesn't work for MK, after 18 years it still searching for itself IMO. With that said I was hoping for at least a somewhat Tekken like game with fireballs and fatalities.

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#28 Metamania
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[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"][QUOTE="4NGoods"]

Yeah, after watching the trailer, i can honestly say i'm pretty impressed. I see a lot of people here disagree with me and i can understand where they're coming from. Seems like MK fans have been burned so many times with each crappy iteration of recent MK games, there's good reason for doubt. But after this trailer, it clear as day to me that this game is going in the right direction. MK was never meant to be a 3d fighter, and hopefully they simplified the mechanics b/c have two fighting styles and a third weapon style was kinda overdoing. Not really sure if i'll like tag fighting with MK but it's worked very well in other series so i'll give it a shot.

outworld222

The problem runs deeper than just a 2D/3D issue. MK has a single good game in its entire history - one good game in a history spanning 18 years and numerous iterations. Going back to 2D gives it a fighting chance, sure, but unless Ed Boon kicks his laziness aside and actually tries to make another UMK3, we're stuck with an MK2 or MK3, something that simply can't stand up with the great fighting games of our time.

Your analysis is dead wrong, I am sorry to say. Its backwards. All the other Japanese games look clunky and unrealistic. I mean, dragon balls??? Virtual Fighter??? Common, get real. BTW, MK2 and MK3 were great games. If they replicate something like this, but in context of our time, this is the most anyone can wish for. Oh, and Ed boon, believe me he's not lazy. He can program loops around any programmer. He's just that factually good.

Virtua Fighter is, without a shadow of a doubt, the best 3D fighting series out there today. Sure, there's Soul Calibur or Tekken, but they aren't as good as Virtua Fighter, in my opinion. Especially with balance and polish - I've yet to come across a 3D fighter that has balance and polish all across the board. Dragon Balls is a fighting series not to be taken seriously and only there to have a good, casual time.

UMK3 was definitely an excellent example of how a MK game should be. But I guess I mentioned MKT mainly because I've enjoyed it on a casual basis, despite its many bugs and glitches. I'll admit, MKT was broken, just like the others. But it was fun during that time. :)