new vs. old gaming ???

if you ask me, i prefer old games to new games. back in the day, games were about fun,addiction and a storyline that was good but not too deep.

now i find that games are all getting really complicated, now it's all about the grafics, i guess i wish everything was getting more like stepping into a game, as realistic as possible, even actrual footage, not something that looks like it fell out of mickey mouse's nose as a monster lol. either focus on making the game enjoyable, or spend time making a game as if your really there. either way is good, just find a direction instead of charging us £££'s more just because they're trying to get there, now it's a muddle. sorry i talk in squiggles lolxx;)

your views?

Most persons will always like things in the past.
Thus the reson many grandparents say " Back in my days we didn't have photorealistic graphics and realism in games, 8-bit pixels was all we needed"

Though a lot of old games are great compared to new ones, there are some that are great in present day.
Yes graphics play a important part nowadays and sadly many games trash a game just because it has bad graphics compared to Crysis for instance.
A game's main purpose is to be fun, then it's there to tell a story, have interesting characters and have some originality to it, in the end comes graphics to make it look nice.

This is one of my problems with people today, if the graphics aren't tip top, it's an automatic fail. If it looks a bit next-gen, it can never get a 9 or higher. And yes, us oldbie gamers do have a bit of nostalgia for our past. But I replayed some of my older games and by golly, I liked it more.

I remember some of my friends came to my house so we could play a game or two on my X-Box (The OLD ONE) and they noticed me playing Baldur's Gate 2, they laughed the whole day asking how I could play a 2d game. I answered "Because it's better then some of the **** released today?".

if you ask me, i prefer old games to new games. back in the day, games were about fun,addiction and a storyline that was good but not too deep.

now i find that games are all getting really complicated, now it's all about the grafics, i guess i wish everything was getting more like stepping into a game, as realistic as possible, even actrual footage, not something that looks like it fell out of mickey mouse's nose as a monster lol. either focus on making the game enjoyable, or spend time making a game as if your really there. either way is good, just find a direction instead of charging us £££'s more just because they're trying to get there, now it's a muddle. sorry i talk in squiggles lolxx;)

your views?

blabbyb

hmm, what's 'back in the day'? 10 years ago? 5? and what are the games you prefered back then?

things have changed, sure.... but there's always been crap games. i don't think that is anything new.

It's a community aspect thing. We get in all these heated discussions about games. We try to keep up with relevant games.

It's nice to just tell the world to go **** itself and bring out the old Genesis and just play some Sonic games.

thats quite true. games in the old days were fun and without laws. games these days have to be as realistic as possible. games are meant to be fun.

This is one of the problems with people today, if the graphics aren't tip top, it's an automatic fail. If it looks a bit next-gen, it can never get a 9 or higher. And yes, us oldbie gamers do have a bit of nostalgia for our past. But I replayed some of my older games and by golly, I liked it more.

I remember some of my friends came to my house so we could play a game or two on my X-Box (The OLD ONE) and they noticed me playing Baldur's Gate 2, they laughed the whole day asking how I could play a 2d game. I answered "Because it's better then some of the **** released today?".

Taloskai

I totally agree with that. BTW, I changed the word "my" to "the". :D

thats quite true. games in the old days were fun and without laws. games these days have to be as realistic as possible. games are meant to be fun.

y03hoxworthn

I know what you mean. I playability is most important in a video game; not just graphics and sound/music. Also, I don't really reaism that much. The cartoon look is what I like best.

Obviosly new games are better, nostolgia is a petty feeling.

In my opinion, the "older" generation of games was much more challenge and skill based. Megaman for example was a very difficult game, that required lots of time and effort to beat. It seems that the "new" generations are much more story and immersion based. Assassins Creed is not a very difficult game, but it immerses you and sucks you into it's story and world. If you think about it, what game is harder to master, Super Smash Bros Brawl, or Mortal Kombat? Super Mario Bros, or Mario Bros Galaxy?SathingtonWaltz

Those examples are poor.

Let me ask you a question, which game takes more skill to master, mortal combat, or tekken 5?

There will always be easy games, what your refer to as challnge, i refer to as frustration due to lack of technoligy.

I clearly grew up playing the same games, does not mean i refuse to accept evolution.

[QUOTE="SathingtonWaltz"]In my opinion, the "older" generation of games was much more challenge and skill based. Megaman for example was a very difficult game, that required lots of time and effort to beat. It seems that the "new" generations are much more story and immersion based. Assassins Creed is not a very difficult game, but it immerses you and sucks you into it's story and world. If you think about it, what game is harder to master, Super Smash Bros Brawl, or Mortal Kombat? Super Mario Bros, or Mario Bros Galaxy?psyball

Those examples are poor.

Let me ask you a question, which game takes more skill to master, mortal combat, or tekken 5?

There will always be easy games, what your refer to as challnge, i refer to as frustration due to lack of technoligy.

I clearly grew up playing the same games, does not mean i refuse to accept evolution.

i agree. this is silly. there are good games and there are bad games. that's all. oh, and then there's nostalgia...

I think some changes are good, and some changes are bad.

Presentation I think has gone the right way. Movie-like, anime-like, life-like presentation is excellent way to tell a story much more interesting way.

But thanks to that presentation, many pretentious storyline came with it (mostly Japanese games). Instead of talking normally that would make sense in the situation, characters started to talk like the are covered with B.S. In the old days, a character could ask, "where are we going?" And the answer would be something like "To the north to **** town". Now-a-days, a character can ask the same question, and answer might be "Yes, where are we going? Life is moving constantly and it is long journey blah blah blah and bunch of more Bull ****"

I call it Tetsuya Nomura technique.

Also gameplay I personally think hasn't improved the right way.

Many games became more complex and sophisticated, but sometimes, simple gameplay is the best. Chrono Trigger used the good old ATB system and it was fun. But now every JRPG seems to try complicate the battle system needlessly. The same goes to many other genres, like fighting games, platformer, etc. Playing WRPG could drive someone nuts by just reading instruction manual. If I can spend equal time studying that game on something else, like learning a language, I can learn 3rd and 4th language in no time. Overly complicated game-play I think is not a good evolution.

Overall, I think games didn't get better nor it got worse. I think we got bigger though. More money involved, more fancy technology, etc, which gives us greater POTENTIAL for games, but as games themselves goes, I think we gained many great new stuff, but we lost many good stuff by leaving them in the past.

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[QUOTE="SathingtonWaltz"]In my opinion, the "older" generation of games was much more challenge and skill based. Megaman for example was a very difficult game, that required lots of time and effort to beat. It seems that the "new" generations are much more story and immersion based. Assassins Creed is not a very difficult game, but it immerses you and sucks you into it's story and world. If you think about it, what game is harder to master, Super Smash Bros Brawl, or Mortal Kombat? Super Mario Bros, or Mario Bros Galaxy?just_nonplussed

Those examples are poor.

Let me ask you a question, which game takes more skill to master, mortal combat, or tekken 5?

There will always be easy games, what your refer to as challnge, i refer to as frustration due to lack of technoligy.

I clearly grew up playing the same games, does not mean i refuse to accept evolution.

i agree. this is silly. there are good games and there are bad games. that's all. oh, and then there's nostalgia...

Excellent point...I don't think you can quantitatively compare the virtues one generation of gaming versus any other. Sure you're going to get a bump in graphics and sound from previous gens to the next. You can call me goofy but I think it's all about the quality of the gameplay, all other technical measures shouldn't figure into the equation when comparing new to old. Old generation or new, as long as it has solid, fun gameplay it's a game I'll want to invest some time in.

Maybe a more apt thread would be titled "Do you prefer Good Games or Crap Ones"?

"Nostalgia is heroin for old people." Dara O Briain

Games from the past will never be the greatest game ever made as they have past us they are no longer the greats they once were new tech and correcting the older games mistakes.

Not really.

Nostalgia might effect people, but great games are great games.

and Tech almost never determine the quality of the game. If this was true, your usual B summer action flick would be greater than old classics like Godfather, etc.

Not really.

Nostalgia might effect people, but great games are great games.

and Tech almost never determine the quality of the game. If this was true, your usual B summer action flick would be greater than old classics like Godfather, etc.

TriangleHard

games seem to get more user-friendly as time goes on, and as developers get better with development kits, the quality of the actual systems and interfaces generally improves and the experience feels better. in parallel to this, graphics are able to get more detailed or produced with more flair and spark. unfortunately, the design may age and people may be bored of the type of game, but the actual systems are probably more streamlined and accessable.

yes, and i believe a great game is a great game, even though time may erode the significance of a title or the spark of its graphics. it might also depend on how unique or derivitive a game design is. for example, mario bros. is timeless...and rez is timeless. i couldn't say the same for donkey kong country or devil may cry 2 and 3. DMC1 on the other hand still has relevence today. i'm not sure many games copying that format would still be remembered as much.

is nostalgia some kind of.. love for something in the past?

Im an old school gamer. i grew up playing Commodore 64, atari, NES and i went through all the platforms and generations. I have some fond memories with old games but there are definatley some awesome new games out there as well. I hear ya though, there are a lot of people (mostly younger kids or teens) that automatically think a game sucks cause the graphics are bad.

I like to take a nice healthy dose of old school games and new ones. I still have my original NES hooked up that i play, but that doesn't mean im not going to enjoy the new ones either. IMO games with awesome graphics that play great are definatley something that no gamer should miss.

With that being said, you could keep pumping out new Mega Man games in the old school format and i would be happy 8)

Old school gaming. A lot of the new video game decisions are just stupid. Whose idea was it to release multiple SKUs with different tech inside? I don't remember that for other systems before that, so this is obviously something recent.Video_Game_King

what's an 'SKU'?

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Old school gaming. A lot of the new video game decisions are just stupid. Whose idea was it to release multiple SKUs with different tech inside? I don't remember that for other systems before that, so this is obviously something recent.just_nonplussed

what's an 'SKU'?

Stock keeping unit. In this context, I'm referring to the 20GB/40GB/120GB bull**** that sprouted recently. It only serves to confuse the consumer for no reason at all.

[QUOTE="just_nonplussed"]

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Old school gaming. A lot of the new video game decisions are just stupid. Whose idea was it to release multiple SKUs with different tech inside? I don't remember that for other systems before that, so this is obviously something recent.Video_Game_King

what's an 'SKU'?

Stock keeping unit. In this context, I'm referring to the 20GB/40GB/120GB bull**** that sprouted recently. It only serves to confuse the consumer for no reason at all.

As if that is anything compared to what Sega was pulling on customers in the 90's

I think of JRPGS when this topic is brought up. Back on the PS1 (somewhat old), JRPGs relied on excellent story, lovable characters, and a sense of exploration and discovery. The newer RPGs focus more on cinematic cut-scenes and voice acting. Because of this, I'm left feeling more like a spectator than a participant. What really gets to me is that most new RPGs did away with world maps in favor of traveling between towns with a text menu. I miss the thrill of wandering around and finding hidden areas.

What really gets to me is that most new RPGs did away with world maps in favor of traveling between towns with a text menu. I miss the thrill of wandering around and finding hidden areas.

Bubble_Man

I miss the world map too. Thats part of the reason I didn't like Final Fantasy XII very much.

Its good to find a balance. Many older games still have their charm and gameplay. Some will never get old.

With that said there are a lot of great games being made today or last gen that are great games too.

I always look for gameplay and replay value.