New X-Play video: Final Fantasy VII was awful!

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#1 viewtiful26
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Sigh...these guys are just looking for shocks now if this is the direction their taking the only video game related show on G4. I enjoyed FFVI more, but still, this is just silly, since Sessler calls out other fanboys, but then he does something like this on such an old title. Anyway...enjoy...or not.

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#2 Legendaryscmt
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I thought FFVII was decent, but by far the most overrated game in history IMO. As for Ses, I still like him, he's the kind of person that does have good opinions from time to time, but you can laugh at also. However, G4 as a whole is different. X-Play should stop taking itself so seriously and go back to when it was great. Funny reviews, stupid skits, etc, etc.
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#3 BobSacamento
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x-play is awful

final fantasy 7 was a masterpiece

which is the problem for some people, nothing can be good- unless nobody else thinks its good, then they think its good

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#4 viewtiful26
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I first read about this video on the Giantbomb.com forums. One of the comments I found interesting was that it can be seen as apples and oranges. Some prefer one more than the other, but it would be silly to think that either one would bash each other for disagreeing on which is better. Man, Sessler insults viewers for liking certain games he hates, but if any of them insult a game like Halo he says they're trolling fanboys.
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#5 BobSacamento
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people are insane

NOTHING at that time came close theres nothing more that game could have done

people just love to critique

the only thing that could have been better about final fantasy 7, would be the inclusion of real soundtracks, and a better translation

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#6 warmaster670
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final fantasy 7 was a masterpiece

BobSacamento

no, no game is a masterpiece, especially not FF7.

FF6>FF7

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the only thing that could have been better about final fantasy 7, would be the inclusion of real soundtracks, and a better translation

BobSacamento

There are other flaws, like the graphics that have aged badly, Yuffie, the fact that anything before Crazy Motorcycle just plain sucks, etc. Still a good game.

After watching the video, I really want to yell at Sessler. Not for insulting FF7, but for confusing overrated with bad. Here's the difference: Final Fantasy VII is overrated, Final Fantasy XII is bad. Overrated does not mean bad, it just means that people think it is much better than it actually is.

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#8 numismatic
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That had me laughing out loud. I think that it is a comedic masterpiece but it is a very flawed criticism. Sessler, whom I adore, is judging final fantasy seven through the prism of modern games. Yes, by that standards it does suck, so does goldeneye, perfect dark, and any other seminal game to have been released before 2000. I am not too mad about it, the random encounters were annoying. The graphics? ugly by today's standards but I still find it endearing. I love the super deform look and looking back at the infancy of the playstation they were mindblowing. I would agree that final fantasy was overhyped but that doens't mean it wasn't good.

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#9 BobSacamento
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also on that note

they automatically hate all JRPG's

and have admitted bias against final fantasy

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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

the only thing that could have been better about final fantasy 7, would be the inclusion of real soundtracks, and a better translation

Video_Game_King

There are other flaws, like the graphics that have aged badly, Yuffie, the fact that anything before Crazy Motorcycle just plain sucks, etc. Still a good game.

After watching the video, I really want to yell at Sessler. Not for insulting FF7, but for confusing overrated with bad. Here's the difference: Final Fantasy VII is overrated, Final Fantasy XII is bad. Overrated does not mean bad, it just means that people think it is much better than it actually is.

Just one thing about what you said bothers me. The music comment. Im assuming you mean any song that plays before crazy motorcycle sucks, right? So, Aries' theme, main boss theme, turks theme, main battle theme among others just plains sucks? You're entitled to your opinion I guess... Also on the note of Yuffie: She's optional. 100%. Other annoying characters in the series often are not, Gau being a prime offender in my books. But VII is still my favourite game, and yes I played an earlier FF game before it, IV.
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#11 Gohansephiroth
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Seems like they just did it to get peoples attention, IGN did it recently as well. I love final fantasy 7 and it was a great game for its time, i just think too many people hold it today's standards which is why it gets alot of hate because in truth it hasn't aged that well but that doesn't mean it wasn't something great when it initially released.

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#12 Hoobinator
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Really Sessler, really? C'mon!!!

All this revisionist historical hate towards FF7 is ridiculous, they trash the game on its "dated" graphics, broken materia system, convoluted storyline etc etc, but some games have a unique place in history that cannot be denied and should not be denied their place. FF7 is one of those games. For its time it was the greatest, and even though better installments and better games have come out, it still ranks right up there.

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#13 DOF_power
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^ Forget the graphics, compared to TES II: Daggerfall, not to mention Fallout 1, it just sucked.

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#14 UT_Wrestler
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Most classic games "suck" when you try to review them using modern standards. The graphics are ugly? Hello? Isn't it a ps1 game? How about Doom, man the AI is terrible and who the hell uses sprites for enemies in a 3d game? Oh, wait, it used tech that was available at the time and it isn't fair to judge it by modern standards. Idiot.
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#15 Elfstrum
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Agreed, X-Play's complete hatred of all things turn based is sad. FFVII was great game and a sad story, but cool story. Horaah for a PS3 remake
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#16 R7_3
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if you compare most games to todays standards, the majority of them suck. This is like comparing the Beatles to Korn, it makes no sense!!!!

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#17 -Makaveli-
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Sessler hates everything from Japan: Sony, rpgs, anime. It's cool.

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#18 Ace6301
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^ Forget the graphics, compared to TES II: Daggerfall, not to mention Fallout 1, it just sucked.

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Daggerfall is deep. I'll give it that much. However it's nearly unplayable even after all these years and patches. I mean you fall through the stairs all the freakin' time. Fallout 1 is great, yeah but it and FFVII are very different kinds of RPGs. FO1 and TES II are both cRPGs and gameplay wise you can't compare them too well to jRPGs. I prefered the story of VII to the open world of Daggerfall and the world of FO1. Thats just me though. Even after playing both of the games you mentioned I still prefer VII so to each his own I guess.
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I would make love to FFVII its like the beatles once everyone lieks it a select few have to act like its the most overrated thing ever.
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#20 piratedrunk
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if you compare most games to todays standards, the majority of them suck. This is like comparing the Beatles to Korn, it makes no sense!!!!

R7_3

The only way this would apply is if you mean FF7 is still an okay game and more modern games brutally suck.

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#21 jasonharris48
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I thought Final Fantasy VII was agood game. Ijust think it's not the masterpiece everybody makes it out to be. Also I wouldn't say it is one of the best RPGs or even best JRPG title around.

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#22 LoG-Sacrament
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i still wonder why people actually care what sessler says anymore. he picks great games and goes around calling them garbage. he makes outragous claims like in his "re5 is racist" soapbox. its all to get easy hits. he isnt a journalist. hes a sensationalist.

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#23 -Twilight-
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Typical Adam Sessler. The guy is annoying, hyping or degrading game period. It also doesn't help that he pretends he's the voice of reason or some sort of video game realist. We get it, you go against the grain, you "tell it like it is", you're all about integrity and most importantly you're not a fanboy. Get over yourself Sessler (the Bill O'Reily of video gaming) While I do believe FF7 is the most over-hyped game ever created on this planet I wouldn't go as far as to say it sucked, or "kinda did". It was a decent game and clearly left it's mark in the history books.
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#24 ASK_Story
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The game came out over ten years ago!
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#25 Adam_the_Nerd
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FFVII was good, but I have to agree; people need to calm down. it was a good game, and at the time, semi-revolutionary (the first 3D RPG to appear on North American consoles) but realistically, it's just so successful cause of nostalgia. If you consider it to be the best game ever, then that's your choice but my opinion is that people need to calm down. That goes for Sessler too. Legendaryscmt: totally agree.
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#26 Bigboi500
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FFVII was a great game esp for it's time but way to many people worship it as the greatest game ever and I think that's just silly.

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#27 bigd575
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It's just there opinion no big deal.
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[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

the only thing that could have been better about final fantasy 7, would be the inclusion of real soundtracks, and a better translation

Ace6301

There are other flaws, like the graphics that have aged badly, Yuffie, the fact that anything before Crazy Motorcycle just plain sucks, etc. Still a good game.

After watching the video, I really want to yell at Sessler. Not for insulting FF7, but for confusing overrated with bad. Here's the difference: Final Fantasy VII is overrated, Final Fantasy XII is bad. Overrated does not mean bad, it just means that people think it is much better than it actually is.

Just one thing about what you said bothers me. The music comment. Im assuming you mean any song that plays before crazy motorcycle sucks, right? So, Aries' theme, main boss theme, turks theme, main battle theme among others just plains sucks? You're entitled to your opinion I guess... Also on the note of Yuffie: She's optional. 100%. Other annoying characters in the series often are not, Gau being a prime offender in my books. But VII is still my favourite game, and yes I played an earlier FF game before it, IV.

No, I meant the mini-game, Crazy Motorcycle. I don't know the official name, so I'm just using the name of the song.

No, it's more Yuffie's sidequest. If you accidentally land on that one island in the northwest, you're stuck there until you complete this inane sidequest and learn to hate Yuffie. Did Gau ever force you to waste half an hour of your time? No, just a few minutes.

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FFVII set the froundwork for future rpg's, and FFVII took the series to the next level
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#30 Chogyam
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the graphics have aged badly????what the **** is that suppose to mean???? do people forget that its a PS1 game??

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#31 Video_Game_King
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the graphics have aged badly????what the **** is that suppose to mean???? do people forget that its a PS1 game??

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That doesn't mean the graphics can't age badly. Look at FF9 or Silent Hill, which time has treated much more kindly.

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#32 wizdom
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Sigh...these guys are just looking for shocks now if this is the direction their taking the only video game related show on G4. I enjoyed FFVI more, but still, this is just silly, since Sessler calls out other fanboys, but then he does something like this on such an old title. Anyway...enjoy...or not.

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FFVII was a great FF game, but it's overated in my books, FF4,5,6,9,10 and 12 are better in my books, my main gripes where the excessive dialog, I also didn't like the whole materia system as well, the graphics (at their time) Characters, story and replay value were incredible but the gameplay imo was up there with the rest of the game.

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#33 viewtiful26
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[QUOTE="viewtiful26"]

Sigh...these guys are just looking for shocks now if this is the direction their taking the only video game related show on G4. I enjoyed FFVI more, but still, this is just silly, since Sessler calls out other fanboys, but then he does something like this on such an old title. Anyway...enjoy...or not.

wizdom

FFVII was a great FF game, but it's overated in my books, FF4,5,6,9,10 and 12 are better in my books, my main gripes where the excessive dialog, I also didn't like the whole materia system as well, the graphics (at their time) Characters, story and replay value were incredible but the gameplay imo was up there with the rest of the game.

Still, in the video he doesn't touch any positive aspect of FF, but instead on a rant about how much he hates the game and how we should too. It's funny, if I said something like that about a game Sessler liked he'd call me a fanboy...isn't this what he is doing?
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#34 BobSacamento
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[QUOTE="viewtiful26"]

Sigh...these guys are just looking for shocks now if this is the direction their taking the only video game related show on G4. I enjoyed FFVI more, but still, this is just silly, since Sessler calls out other fanboys, but then he does something like this on such an old title. Anyway...enjoy...or not.

wizdom

FFVII was a great FF game, but it's overated in my books, FF4,5,6,9,10 and 12 are better in my books, my main gripes where the excessive dialog, I also didn't like the whole materia system as well, the graphics (at their time) Characters, story and replay value were incredible but the gameplay imo was up there with the rest of the game.

let's see these books you keep referring to

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#35 thanos723
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opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one

as for it being overrated, i don't agree at all. overrated means it is high on fan/reviewer ratings, but if you yourself plays it(at time of release) and its just lackluster.

FF7 is not that. when you played it when it first came out, you know you thought "damn this is great". yea you look back on it and go "man the graphics aged bad" or "damn i really do hate random battles". but you gotta consider the time it was released. in 10 years, we'll look at games like gears of war and killzone 2 and go "man thats just not as good as i remember". its is what happenes when games get older.

true fans stay true to the game no matter how old they get. I still play ff9 and final fantasy tactics. i still love KOTOR.

but again...opinions are like a$$holes

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#36 DJ-Lafleur
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I haven't watched X-Play in the longest time, nor have I watched the radioactive, filthy pile of crap that G4 has become in a long while, either.

And FFVII is my favorite Final Fantasy, with FFVI right behind it.

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#37 treedoor
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I'm with Sessler.


It didn't even seem like he hated it, but more the fact that people like it so much when it's not exactly a masterpiece of gaming.

Even I have a friend that says it's the best RPG ever, and he pretty much won't play another game because he automatically assumes it won't be good. That's the kinda mentality these FF7 fans have, and that's what Sessler hates.

Basically if you cried when Aeris died then you deserve to have Sessler come to your house and kill you :P

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#38 numismatic
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I'm with Sessler.


It didn't even seem like he hated it, but more the fact that people like it so much when it's not exactly a masterpiece of gaming.

Even I have a friend that says it's the best RPG ever, and he pretty much won't play another game because he automatically assumes it won't be good. That's the kinda mentality these FF7 fans have, and that's what Sessler hates.

Basically if you cried when Aeris died then you deserve to have Sessler come to your house and kill you :P

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I feel the same way about chrono cross, and bob marley's music. Meaning I haven't explored rpg and reggae outside of those genres. Oh lets throw in rts too. I haven't played any rts through since starcraft. :P but I don't go around proclaiming them as the greatest, I just think it.

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#39 nitsud_19
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I used to watch that show but there opinions are very immature, Reviews on the Run, Electric Playground and EP-Daily are better shows and theyre on G4. Victor Lucas gives fairly good reviews. Its also Canadian.

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#40 Helghast_Merc
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I tried to watch the video, but I closed out of it because it represented feeling oppsoite of how I felt about Final Fantasy 7. Do I think Adam Sessler is an idiot for hating FF7 and thinking it's overrated? No, because it's just an opinion. However, I have noticed quite a bit of changes with Adam Sessler over the years. He just doesn't seem much like the same person I remembered him to be when I watched him several years ago. Maybe he was, but I have yet to have seen his true colors until recently, I dunno. All I know is that maybe he has turned out to be the, what someone else have mentioned, the Bill Oreilley of Games. And I dunno if he's really trying to compare the game of back then to today, because maybe that's how he felt about FF7 for a long time, but decided to make a video soley to state his opinion about it. Anyway, it doesn't really matter to me because it's just his opinion. Not everyone can like the same game. It's impossible.

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#41 DaBrainz
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Their opinion is just different from yours and I happen to agree with them. I'm mean once you had your group set up you didn't even have to button mash,you had the option of just holding down the button during the whole battle. This game isn't for the challenge oriented gamer butmore the story oriented gamer.