next-gen games stink

idk if anyone notice but even since the 360 and PS3 came out, games seems to be shorter then they use to be on the x-box and PS2?

i remeber when i had my PS2 a lot of games took days to pass.

most next-gen games on the PS3 and PC even on 360 takes only hours to pass ( COD: MW, COD: MW2, BF:BC 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction)

and have some replay value but not like how the old-gen games where.

and the funny thing is the old games ran on normal DVD 4.7GB discs, and there games put the PS2 and x-box to run the max with the graphics and still make a games thats days long.

and todays games runs on Blu-Ray disc for the PS3, DVD-9 ( or DVD-7) for the 360 and PCs are still DVDs 4.7GB. and they are only a few hours long

thats why i like old-gan games because i know there going to be long and fun. yes they might not look as good. but todays games are fun but very and i mean very short and a rip rip off and a pain to our wallets

I know what you mean, i'm getting sick of the games campaigns being so short

what i notice too with todays games they are mostly based on online play now then single player.

it seem to me that more games and more games focus on online play. but to me a lot of online games are more of the same. like MW to me is teh same as MW2 online play.

because people wants more online play it seems like the single player suffers a lot.

to me i play online but for me what makes a really good game is single player. to me single player is the key to a game. like the new Splinter Cell game is really fun but i wish it was longer with more levels or at least make the levels longer.

if they want to focus more on the online then at least make a really good online co-op with a story line behind it.

dont be like MW2 where its just meaning less missions. make a story out of online co-op like again Splinter Cell Conviction does well. which actually brings be back playing that game over and over.

One reason is the fact that developing cost have increased. More artists, more programmers requires more money. $1 000 000 is a lot. Needs investors and stuff. With these kinds of budgets you can take any chances. Its to just produce what always sells or what other have sold.

One reason is the fact that developing cost have increased. More artists, more programmers requires more money. $1 000 000 is a lot. Needs investors and stuff.

Ensamheten

but that doesnt mean they should just split out a game thats only hours long.

if they are smart they will know if they take there time and made a good game thats long. people will but it more and will look forward to the next game they make

Next gen games wont be out until....next gen.

[QUOTE="spazzx625"]Length does not equal a good game, though. That's the fatal flaw with your blanket statement.acsam12304

actaully a lot of old-gen games were long and fun like kingdom hearts, freedom fighters, and a lot more.

plus your a MOD what do you know only to MOD things

[QUOTE="spazzx625"]Length does not equal a good game, though. That's the fatal flaw with your blanket statement.acsam12304

actaully a lot of old-gen games were long and fun like kingdom hearts, freedom fighters, and a lot more.

plus your a MOD what do you know only to MOD things

Length does not equal a good game, though. That's the fatal flaw with your blanket statement.spazzx625

I agree. I used to pretty much only play my PS2 games on the PS3 (save for some RPG's), but then my dog peed on my PS3 and I had to buy a new Slim. Now, I can't play any of my old games so I'm stuck with 1-2 RPG's.

Quality>Quantity

I can have a game with a short, action packed, engaging campagin versus a long, drawn out, repetitive one.

Actually, games are about the same length as they were last generation.

The real difference is that many newer games feature online modes, DLC content, and other features that extend playtime and value.

I've been playing games for three decades and some of the best software ever made is out there right now on the store shelves. Hell, I've put in a good 60 hours into Just Cause 2 and I'm not even at 50% completion yet.

I hated the consoles (...well not completely) last gen. Had a PS2 cause it was supposedly the best? But I spent most of my gaming time on PC where the games were obviously better, occassionaly going back for games like FFX.

This gen however...well the consoles have really competed and given me reasons to play them. Totaly turnaround. So, you're wrong.

Actually, games are about the same length as they were last generation.

The real difference is that many newer games feature online modes, DLC content, and other features that extend playtime and value.

I've been playing games for three decades and some of the best software ever made is out there right now on the store shelves. Hell, I've put in a good 60 hours into Just Cause 2 and I'm not even at 50% completion yet.

Grammaton-Cleric

Wow. I didn't realise that any next gen games have been announced yet.

But I agree that games this gen aren't generally as good as last gen's.

They are shorter, and generaly, I find less compelling to play. There isn't as much variety now. We're just being over run with shooters now.

I agree. I used to pretty much only play my PS2 games on the PS3 (save for some RPG's), but then my dog peed on my PS3 and I had to buy a new Slim.

Mr_Spotswood

Wow. I didn't realise that any next gen games have been announced yet.

But I agree that games this gen aren't generally as good as last gen's.

They are shorter, and generaly, I find less compelling to play. There isn't as much variety now. We're just being over run with shooters now.

BuryMe

i can agree with that.

shooters are everywhere.

only good shooter are rainbow six vegas ( not part 2) GRAW (PC), GRAW2 (PC), operation flash point 2, MAG, they use tatics not just run and gun kind of style like MW, MW2, BF:BC 2.

MGS4 and Splinter Cell Conviction both are good games very fun to play. but Splinter Cell is very short. i only beat it in a few hours. what has me going back is the online co-op but i own the PC version so co-op is pain. no wa y to talk to the other player if you use a 3rd party soft ware like team speak.

we need more tatical shooters that is a bit more complex like SOCOM was for the PS2 they were fun and a bit long. that whys i cant wait for the new SOCOM game to come out for the PS3

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

Actually, games are about the same length as they were last generation.

The real difference is that many newer games feature online modes, DLC content, and other features that extend playtime and value.

I've been playing games for three decades and some of the best software ever made is out there right now on the store shelves. Hell, I've put in a good 60 hours into Just Cause 2 and I'm not even at 50% completion yet.

AzelKosMos

Same here. What's really pathetic is the people who make the 'modern games are short claim' always back up their claims with genres that have always been short. Look at every genre individually and games are at least as long as they were before.

Anyway,people who talk about a game's length miss the point. Lengthening a game is child's play (players not being able to advance until theybacktrack and find all the keys, death requiring players to start at the beginning of long levels or even having to restart the game, bosses with simplistic tactics but superlong health bars, pattern based lethal challenges which can only be learned through trial and error, fighting the same boss multiple times, etc). What takes skill is making sure that the challenge is tough but fair, that there is a wide variety of enemies and challenges, and that there is no 'garbage time'.

I've been gaming for 32 years and modern gaming is incredible. There are a lot of talented teams putting their best feet forward and they have a lot of power with which to realize their visions.

I think this gen is the best, but Ive never played others. But seeing how I know alot about past librarys this gen just seems by far the best.

But like I siad, I cant really say.

you have to look at the size of the graphics tho....it takes more space for the effects and textures now.....so with the same space....they have to make the games shorter to have as good graphics...thats why ps3 exclusives can be longer.....or they have to put games on multiple disks (ff13 and me2) in order to get 20+ hour campaigns

The game discs do not have a particularly strong odor, you are smelling something else. Your house may be burning down. Better go check on that. ;)

Funny you bring this up and hold up last gen as being so much better, I specifically remember many threads in many forums last gen saying that the games on the GC, PS2, and Xbox were too short and they were much longer on the N64, Saturn, and PSone. I mean, have we really forgotten Onimusha? Great PS2 game, really. But it could be beat, first time through, in as few as four hours. I don't really see a correlation between length of play and fun. I've played quite a few games that were very long, but that I wished had been shorter, as they started to drag on, and used blatant filler, just so they could slap "Forty hours of gameplay!!!" on the back.

Hell, one of the greatest games ever made, Super Mario Bros., can be beaten in a half hour or so.

This gen really isn't that bad, but if you've played games continuously from gen to gen, it is moreso that the current popular trends are becoming tiresome. The same thing happened towards the end of the SNES. I remember finding good sidescrollers like Donkey Kong Country 2&3(maybe 2) rather boring. Not because they were bad games, going back to them they are really good, but because the play mechanics at that time were just put to death. This is part of the reason sony/ms are introducing the move/natal. Obviously some of it has to do with nintendos success, but Nintendo is usually unto the change sooner than the rest of the industry. I'm skeptical about those two mentioned control formats, but there's going to be some level of change soon, I think.

They probably spend more time on the graphics than on the game.

But did you see how big the development team was for Halo 3. :o

How do you get a team like that to make a game that lasts days long? They would be beta testing it for like 5 years.

Id agree with some of this..Like Ghostbusters was a awesome game shame it was so short..If they had made the game a lot longer..It couldve been so epic..Was disappointed in the length of the game..Along with Star wars Unleashed, great story good plot lot of action..Game was shortan shouldve been a epic game also..How ever there have been some good long games..Just cause 2, oblivion, red dead redemption do out, gta 4, mass effect 2, dragon age a hour hours of fun...Its still early yet also..We have maybe what 3 to 4 more years of this gen left..With natal do out it will add a few more years there thinking i bet..Its going to be a long console life..Final fantasy 13 is a long game..There are quit a few jrpgs this gen that are over 100 hours an look amazing..Will see what happens in e3 what new games are on the horizon...

idk if anyone notice but even since the 360 and PS3 came out, games seems to be shorter then they use to be on the x-box and PS2?

i remeber when i had my PS2 a lot of games took days to pass.

most next-gen games on the PS3 and PC even on 360 takes only hours to pass ( COD: MW, COD: MW2, BF:BC 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction)

and have some replay value but not like how the old-gen games where.

and the funny thing is the old games ran on normal DVD 4.7GB discs, and there games put the PS2 and x-box to run the max with the graphics and still make a games thats days long.

and todays games runs on Blu-Ray disc for the PS3, DVD-9 ( or DVD-7) for the 360 and PCs are still DVDs 4.7GB. and they are only a few hours long

thats why i like old-gan games because i know there going to be long and fun. yes they might not look as good. but todays games are fun but very and i mean very short and a rip rip off and a pain to our wallets

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

Wow. I didn't realise that any next gen games have been announced yet.

But I agree that games this gen aren't generally as good as last gen's.

They are shorter, and generaly, I find less compelling to play. There isn't as much variety now. We're just being over run with shooters now.

i can agree with that.

shooters are everywhere.

only good shooter are rainbow six vegas ( not part 2) GRAW (PC), GRAW2 (PC), operation flash point 2, MAG, they use tatics not just run and gun kind of style like MW, MW2, BF:BC 2.

MGS4 and Splinter Cell Conviction both are good games very fun to play. but Splinter Cell is very short. i only beat it in a few hours. what has me going back is the online co-op but i own the PC version so co-op is pain. no wa y to talk to the other player if you use a 3rd party soft ware like team speak.

we need more tatical shooters that is a bit more complex like SOCOM was for the PS2 they were fun and a bit long. that whys i cant wait for the new SOCOM game to come out for the PS3

They probably spend more time on the graphics than on the game.

But did you see how big the development team was for Halo 3. :o

How do you get a team like that to make a game that lasts days long? They would be beta testing it for like 5 years.

How do you know what the next gen games will be like? It'll be at least three years before we even get a picture of the new consoles.Sins-of-Mosin

3 years? Unlikely. The release of sony and microsofts new consoles will depend greatly on the success/failure of the Move/Natal. If they fail, I'm willing to bet that the new consoles will be announced at E3 2011, and be available in time for the holiday shopping season--sept/oct/november ish.

I think you're mistaking old gen games with RPGs.

I'm pretty sure I could blow through Mario, Contra, Megaman, Double Dragon, Streets of Rage, Sonic the Hedgehog, Resident Evil... the list goes on in minutes to a handful of hours if I wanted to.

Next gen probably won't start until 2012.

I don't know what rock you've been living under but the 360, Wii and PS3 are all current generation.

Oh, yeah, and there are some incredibly good current generation games.

If you base your enjoyment and value on game length then I feel sorry for you, you are missing out on a ton of fantastic games from this generation. I bought Mirror's Edge for nearly $70, sat down and beat it in a single 5.5 hour sitting. It was one of the most exhilarating and enjoyable experiences I've ever had gaming, and it lasted not even 6 hours. Even after that I felt my $70 was well-spent, without even considering all the replay value I got from the game, going back through that same singleplayer 10-12 times and all the speed-run/challenge content that came with it.

You are really missing out if you think length equates to value and enjoyment.

[QUOTE="Ensamheten"]Hard to know if the game will sell. FF13 had the biggest budget ever and a very long developing time and it was still quite boring. I don't think there is a market big enough for Singleplayer games. I think they earn more on multiplayer games

[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="acsam12304"]

[QUOTE="spazzx625"]Length does not equal a good game, though. That's the fatal flaw with your blanket statement.acsam12304

plus your a MOD what do you know only to MOD things

I feel sorry for you.

Next gen games are amazing!!

How do you already know what games will be like on the PS4 and the Xbox 720? The PS3, 360 and Wii are current generation consoles.

On topic: I agree, paying $60 for an 8 hour campaign is a rip off. Most of my PS2 games are longer than my PS3 games. Games like Dark Cloud 2 and Tales of the Abyss take at least 50 hour to complete. That'll last you a month or two depending on how often you play. And now there are games like Uncharted, God of War 3 and Halo ODST that take 20 hours at the most to complete. (Uncharted and ODST are more like 10, God of War 3 is about 15 I heard.)

I paid $60 for Uncharted 2, a game with an 8 hour single player story. That's $7.50 per hour.

I paid $13 for Tales of Legendia, a game with a 60 hour single player story. That's 22 cents per hour.

You really got your money's worth with last generation games.

How do you already know what games will be like on the PS4 and the Xbox 720? The PS3, 360 and Wii are current generation consoles.

On topic: I agree, paying $60 for an 8 hour campaign is a rip off. Most of my PS2 games are longer than my PS3 games. Games like Dark Cloud 2 and Tales of the Abyss take at least 50 hour to complete. That'll last you a month or two depending on how often you play. And now there are games like Uncharted, God of War 3 and Halo ODST that take 20 hours at the most to complete. (Uncharted and ODST are more like 10, God of War 3 is about 15 I heard.)

I paid $60 for Uncharted 2, a game with an 8 hour single player story. That's $7.50 per hour.

I paid $13 for Tales of Legendia, a game with a 60 hour single player story. That's 22 cents per hour.

You really got your money's worth with last generation games.

GeoffZak

How do you already know what games will be like on the PS4 and the Xbox 720? The PS3, 360 and Wii are current generation consoles.

On topic: I agree, paying $60 for an 8 hour campaign is a rip off. Most of my PS2 games are longer than my PS3 games. Games like Dark Cloud 2 and Tales of the Abyss take at least 50 hour to complete. That'll last you a month or two depending on how often you play. And now there are games like Uncharted, God of War 3 and Halo ODST that take 20 hours at the most to complete. (Uncharted and ODST are more like 10, God of War 3 is about 15 I heard.)

I paid $60 for Uncharted 2, a game with an 8 hour single player story. That's $7.50 per hour.

I paid $13 for Tales of Legendia, a game with a 60 hour single player story. That's 22 cents per hour.

You really got your money's worth with last generation games.

GeoffZak

One gripe I have with this gen is that hardly any racing games have split screen multiplayer. The funnest thing about racers was having friends over to play.despitemyself

most next-gen games on the PS3 and PC even on 360 takes only hours to pass ( COD: MW, COD: MW2, BF:BC 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction)

acsam12304

Those are basically online shooters with token single-player campaigns. They're meant to be played by junior high school children who have the attention span of a gnat. Take one step outside that genre and you'll find an entire world of games with excellent single-player campaigns.