I dont know why people like to get caught up in with old game systems when there is plenty other out there, like trying to buy a nes or nintendo 64 when you can afford a ps2 or xbox at least. When people go buy and old crappy system , they dont think they could be having way more fun instead of playing games with 2d graphics and are completetly outdated. If you keep on worrying about 10-20 year old systems your just slowing down yourself. Every time someone buys a old nintendo or something now there just slowing down the economy and technology. thanks.
Old style gaming : my take
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On the contrary, when people prefer to spend their cash on cheaper, well-known quantities such as PS1 and SNES games it sends the message to game developers that the new experiences in video games are not as desirable as they once were. This allows the developer the oppurtunity to better evaluate the audience that strives for the new experience, thus allowing better game creation.
The anamoly is that unlike all other forms of entertainment, video gaming has embraced nostalgia and retro experiences by making new games to capture the same feeling. Through careful buying of retro compilations, we now see Contra 4 and Metal Slug 7 duking it out on the DS. Platformers now coexist in 2D and 3D, leading the way with Sonic, Mario, and Spyro. Franchises are being reborn in Bionic Commando and Banjo Kazooie. Even games like Lost Odessey sell well under the claim of using an old-school combat system. And because of this, the industry is booming, growing into a force that even fights recessions.
Thats my take anyway.
I personally own all the current gen system and I still perfer my Snes and Dreamcast to all of them. I don't know how to explain it, but recently I have been playing Chrono Trigger. I don't know if you know what that game is, but it is considered by many to be one of the greatest RPG's of all time, and I assure you it is. This game far surpasses anything on the current gen systems in terms of gameplay, story, and overall experience. That's not to say that there are some amazing games on the 360, PS3, and Wii, but sometimes you have to know where you came from to know who you are. And as far as helping the economy, get over it. The video game industry beats out every other form of entertainment, except for gambling, as far as gross profit. It doesn't seem to be slowing down either. Here's another point. Why buy a $60 PS3 game, that's average at best, when you could buy 5 Snes games that will change your life. Your obviously not a person that grew up gaming because if you were you would become nostalgic every once and a while and want to play Mario 3 again, just to see if you can still beat it. TonySoprano314
I think it's a bit rude to assault the TC just because he didn't grow up playing the systems and games you did.
Although thank you for propogating my point. You would prefer a familiar experience over a newer one. Making you one of the retro gamers this market is catering to. But please, don't show eliteism over newer gamers. That defeats the point of discussing legacy consoles. After all, in here the NES has just as much weight as the Xbox. No more, no less.
I dont know why people like to get caught up in with old game systems when there is plenty other out there, like trying to buy a nes or nintendo 64 when you can afford a ps2 or xbox at least. When people go buy and old crappy system , they dont think they could be having way more fun instead of playing games with 2d graphics and are completetly outdated. If you keep on worrying about 10-20 year old systems your just slowing down yourself. Every time someone buys a old nintendo or something now there just slowing down the economy and technology. thanks.
jotpot
I never knew that there were dualistic sides where "retro" games are concerned. For a very long time, what you consider retro was simply what we played before whatever generation it was began. So it's strange to hear such a vehemently critical opinion, especially when it seems so ill-informed, though understandable. People choose to purchase "classic" consoles for two major reasons; the first being nostalgia, and the second being the appreciation of their hobby, art, or entertainment's history. It's rarely a financial issue, as can be seen by the continued sales of the PS2. For most people who simply can't afford a current-gen system, the PS2 is always their best option, and the general consumer population tends to choose that option. You're comment about 2D graphics is...invalid. You make this consistent connection between history and inadequacy, which is so unbelievably illogical. Likewise, 2D graphics are still used today in video games. It's absurd to believe that there is someone actually does not know this at all, but alas...King of the Obtuse. Like another person said, the video game industry is heavily influenced by its own history. Not only are classic or standard types of gameplay mechanics constantly utilized from generation to generation, but franchises, artistic styles, and every other aspect of a videogames are as well. All other mediums or entertainment industries are a product of their history as well, certainly, but none are as indebted to their history more than video games. While the video game industry expands and technology develops, revolutionary ideas will constantly be realized, but it is gradual. Your disregard for history is...astounding. You constantly relate the idea that consideration for classic consoles and games renders you ignorant or stagnant, which is ironic. An almost unanimous consensus will show you that most people believe a disregard for history catalyzes ignorance and a short-sighted perspective. Without an understanding of the industry and its history, how do expect to ever really understand it or its possible cultural and economic trajectory? You could argue that you have already experienced its history, but given your grammar and sense of reasoning and logic, I can comfortably assume that you aren't above the age of 14 or 15. You're obviously polite and did not approach the subject in a confrontational manner, which I respect; but it doesn't make your statements any more valid. As for your statement concerning the economy and technology....you simply don't make any sense. I'm not going to expand on that sentence, because I think it would be futile. Trust me when I tell you that "retro" gaming has no effect on the economy or technology. Given the way you consider both, I assume both are little more than vague constructs for you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe I am.
Trust me, I understand. One day you'll realize that every single sentiment that you shared with us in your post is incorrect, on the off-chance that you actually remember this post specifically, which is unlikely. Assuming that you're rather young, most people your age don't consider or even care about such a topic, and irrational criticism and inadequate logic are a product of intellectual development, so I assure you, I haven't been critical of you, even if it appears that I have been. One day, when your historical reference dictates that sometimes a classic game on the 360 is better than a current-gen title, you'll have a Eureka! moment when you realize why "retro" gaming will always be a major aspect of the industry.
ALSO, don't knock classic games that redefined the industry when your avatar is Max Payne....seriously.
Ok everyone throw all your old technology out because it's slowing down the economy. Workers across the world need you to upgrade... Get rid of your old VHS and DVD's, N64 and PSone games and upgrade.
The truth is I like old games and new ones. I have new systems and older ones. If older games were so bad no one would buy them on the Wii's Virtual console for example. Why did Sony make the PS3 able to play PS2 and PSone games?
I can pick up some classic PSone games at prices a lot less than PS3 ones. What's wrong in that?
If I still enough playing games does it matter when they came out...1978, 1988, 1998 or 2008 as long as I enjoy playing them.
I dont know why people like to get caught up in with old game systems when there is plenty other out there, like trying to buy a nes or nintendo 64 when you can afford a ps2 or xbox at least. When people go buy and old crappy system , they dont think they could be having way more fun instead of playing games with 2d graphics and are completetly outdated. If you keep on worrying about 10-20 year old systems your just slowing down yourself. Every time someone buys a old nintendo or something now there just slowing down the economy and technology. thanks.
jotpot
How old are you? Don't even try to pretend you know something about the economy.
When you buy a movie sequal do you throw away the original?
I think it depends on WHY you're playing the games, and for a lot of nostalgic gamers, it's not about graphics - it's about gameplay. Good gameplay isn't something that necessarily requires the "latest and greatest" in technology; there's a reason that Pac-Man is an all-time classic, and Super Mario Bros., and Donkey Kong... the list goes on and on.
I think that in today's gaming landscape, there are less and less games creating something new and original in gameplay - that's not to say that it never happens; just that it happens less frequently. When a "modern" game creates something that has truly never been seen before, such as I personally feel the GTA franchise did, I'm more than happy to play it. Now, with GTA IV coming out, does that mean I'll never play GTA III, VC or SA again, just because the graphics aren't as good? Heck no!
If you only play games to see the shiniest new graphics, you're gonna miss a LOT of fun opportunities.
People play retro games for many reasons. Nostalgia is one reason but some people just see an iresistable charm to the older games which you don't really see anymore. Another reason is simply that a certain game just hasn't been bested. One thing about the video game industry is that it's just DIFFERENT from what it used to be. At a certain point in video game history (I'd say around the PS1 era) video games changed for the times and eventually turned into what it is today. Granted, consoles back then had their share of crappy games but at the same time had games like Chrono Trigger and the like. The same could be said of the generation today but I feel this generation just reeks in... mediocrity. But that doesn't mean there aren't good games today. There certainly are, but as far as this generation goes, not as many.
I dont know why people like to get caught up in with old game systems when there is plenty other out there, like trying to buy a nes or nintendo 64 when you can afford a ps2 or xbox at least. When people go buy and old crappy system , they dont think they could be having way more fun instead of playing games with 2d graphics and are completetly outdated. If you keep on worrying about 10-20 year old systems your just slowing down yourself. Every time someone buys a old nintendo or something now there just slowing down the economy and technology. thanks.
jotpot
:roll: It's not about graphics, or the newer fads and games, it's about playing all those old cIassic games. Nostalgia, going back and trying out games that get a lot of praise (often for good reasons).
I dont know why people like to get caught up in with old game systems when there is plenty other out there, like trying to buy a nes or nintendo 64 when you can afford a ps2 or xbox at least. When people go buy and old crappy system , they dont think they could be having way more fun instead of playing games with 2d graphics and are completetly outdated. If you keep on worrying about 10-20 year old systems your just slowing down yourself. Every time someone buys a old nintendo or something now there just slowing down the economy and technology. thanks.
jotpot
Your comments are really silly. Every year the gaming industry is growing, and making billions more than last year. How are people buying NES off of ebay hurting it? LMMFAO.
Actually, my NES will be here any day now, LOL.
I dont know why people like to get caught up in with old game systems when there is plenty other out there, like trying to buy a nes or nintendo 64 when you can afford a ps2 or xbox at least. When people go buy and old crappy system , they dont think they could be having way more fun instead of playing games with 2d graphics and are completetly outdated. If you keep on worrying about 10-20 year old systems your just slowing down yourself. Every time someone buys a old nintendo or something now there just slowing down the economy and technology. thanks.
jotpot
a statement surely made entirely out of thick,rich, gooey ignorance. there are quite a few "old" titles that would trump todays graphical monsters. because at the time graphics were quite secondary to gameplay and story. sure there are good titles coming out still for new systems, but when you compare percentage wise the number of great games on the snes/nes, retro wins hands down. you might get what? 10 or 20 at the most REALLY great games per system per year now. whereas in the days of nes/snes you'd often have 2 or 3 of those same high quality games EVERY WEEK.
as mentioned above, you're obviously still a kid and can't appreciate where your hobby came from. i'm a musician, i love heavy metal. but i also love classical music because that is where it all started. in that vein, if you can't play some final fantasy 4 or super contra on snes and get some fun out of those games, i question if it might be your closed mind. i can still play pac man and get a kick out of it.
yo..just to let you know, i am a hardcore xbox 360 gamer..and i have all the old systems..still in good condition..
now, i'm not saying i still play those old systems, i mean, there too much of a hassle...i mean, if i wanted to play old school game, i would recommend checking out the wii virtual console...thats where i get my old games from..but thats me...
Now, i know what your trying to say..but, those are some dedicated old school fans right there... they want the whole sense of nostalgia..so, i guess let them be, but i'm kinda with you on this one
Besides, i dont still play my xbox and my ps2...just my 360 and wii...
Meh,
I have all three new gen consoles as well as 25 old gen console systems.
And technically speaking buying old systems doesn't slow the economy persay, even if you buy it from a private seller money is changing hands and that money is being moved which is basically the life blood of the economy anyway, although you could argue that taxes are not being charged in a private sale? But that really isn't here nor there.
Why do I play old gen consoles.
Simple.
How many RPG's have been released on new gen consoles since 360 launched? How about JRPG's?
Tactical RPG's? Strategy Games? Fighters?
Regardless of if people see it or not each generation has its niche genre that gets overexposed to death,
The third generation of gaming saw the 2D side scroller get every treatment from Mario to Cliffhanger to Cool World,
Then Street Fighter II bred the fourth generation of gaming to be littered with fighting robots, to fighting primates, to fighting clay figures, to the MONSTER COMBO which carryed almost all the way into the sixth gen but really reduced after the death of Dreamcast
Then as we walked into the fifth generation of gaming we were introduced to the third person survival horror/action adventure with the first resident evil & Tomb Raider, and that control scheme was recycled over and over again in countless games for PS, N64 and Saturn
This bled into the sixth generation of gaming as well, but then with the mighting Halo we saw the mad grab for every developer feeding us a FPS of some sort which we are still seeing evolutions of to this day
While other games in other genres of course existed, like nearly everything many genres have their highs and lows.
And while this generation is wonderful, if I play another shooter or mini game compelation I may jump off a bridge.
Limiting yourself to one generation means you are limiting yourself to whatever genre is trendy for the moment, and while people do exist who can do that, I sure can't.
^ BRAH-VO!!!!
although you have to admit, the ps2 (last gen) had quite a few rpg's / jrpg's thanks to atlus and squeenixz4twenny
My above examples were more North American in nature,
Sony has always had the goods when it comes to JRPG's, which surprised me so much this generation with the total lack of such on PS3,
PS2 may be up there with SNES as the best RPG console ever.
Sony has always had the goods when it comes to JRPG's, which surprised me so much this generation with the total lack of such on PS3,PS2 may be up there with SNES as the best RPG console ever.
cosmostein77
this is true, but really i'm not surprised. for the current gen (ps3/x360) games now those require a VERY long development time due to funding, programming, storyboarding and just everything involved in a game. even last gen (ps2/xbox) games took a year or more to develop (wasnt FF12 being developed right after they finished 10? and that was like what a 4 or 5 year gap?) and good quality rpg's can take a little while to come out. i did see that disgaea 3 is coming to ps3 and of course FFXIII and VS are coming out. i think give the ps3 a little while and it'll start having some good rpg's.
[QUOTE="jotpot"]I dont know why people like to get caught up in with old game systems when there is plenty other out there, like trying to buy a nes or nintendo 64 when you can afford a ps2 or xbox at least. When people go buy and old crappy system , they dont think they could be having way more fun instead of playing games with 2d graphics and are completetly outdated. If you keep on worrying about 10-20 year old systems your just slowing down yourself. Every time someone buys a old nintendo or something now there just slowing down the economy and technology. thanks.
YourChaosIsntMe
I never knew that there were dualistic sides where "retro" games are concerned. For a very long time, what you consider retro was simply what we played before whatever generation it was began. So it's strange to hear such a vehemently critical opinion, especially when it seems so ill-informed, though understandable. People choose to purchase "classic" consoles for two major reasons; the first being nostalgia, and the second being the appreciation of their hobby, art, or entertainment's history. It's rarely a financial issue, as can be seen by the continued sales of the PS2. For most people who simply can't afford a current-gen system, the PS2 is always their best option, and the general consumer population tends to choose that option. You're comment about 2D graphics is...invalid. You make this consistent connection between history and inadequacy, which is so unbelievably illogical. Likewise, 2D graphics are still used today in video games. It's absurd to believe that there is someone actually does not know this at all, but alas...King of the Obtuse. Like another person said, the video game industry is heavily influenced by its own history. Not only are classic or standard types of gameplay mechanics constantly utilized from generation to generation, but franchises, artistic styles, and every other aspect of a videogames are as well. All other mediums or entertainment industries are a product of their history as well, certainly, but none are as indebted to their history more than video games. While the video game industry expands and technology develops, revolutionary ideas will constantly be realized, but it is gradual. Your disregard for history is...astounding. You constantly relate the idea that consideration for classic consoles and games renders you ignorant or stagnant, which is ironic. An almost unanimous consensus will show you that most people believe a disregard for history catalyzes ignorance and a short-sighted perspective. Without an understanding of the industry and its history, how do expect to ever really understand it or its possible cultural and economic trajectory? You could argue that you have already experienced its history, but given your grammar and sense of reasoning and logic, I can comfortably assume that you aren't above the age of 14 or 15. You're obviously polite and did not approach the subject in a confrontational manner, which I respect; but it doesn't make your statements any more valid. As for your statement concerning the economy and technology....you simply don't make any sense. I'm not going to expand on that sentence, because I think it would be futile. Trust me when I tell you that "retro" gaming has no effect on the economy or technology. Given the way you consider both, I assume both are little more than vague constructs for you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe I am.
Trust me, I understand. One day you'll realize that every single sentiment that you shared with us in your post is incorrect, on the off-chance that you actually remember this post specifically, which is unlikely. Assuming that you're rather young, most people your age don't consider or even care about such a topic, and irrational criticism and inadequate logic are a product of intellectual development, so I assure you, I haven't been critical of you, even if it appears that I have been. One day, when your historical reference dictates that sometimes a classic game on the 360 is better than a current-gen title, you'll have a Eureka! moment when you realize why "retro" gaming will always be a major aspect of the industry.
ALSO, don't knock classic games that redefined the industry when your avatar is Max Payne....seriously.
That's one of the best, most well thought out posts I've ever seen on Gamespot.
I dont know why people like to get caught up in with old game systems when there is plenty other out there, like trying to buy a nes or nintendo 64 when you can afford a ps2 or xbox at least. When people go buy and old crappy system , they dont think they could be having way more fun instead of playing games with 2d graphics and are completetly outdated. If you keep on worrying about 10-20 year old systems your just slowing down yourself. Every time someone buys a old nintendo or something now there just slowing down the economy and technology. thanks.
jotpot
Old crappy systems? There's a contradiction in terms.
I have a question for you: would you avoid visiting the Colosseum in Rome just because it's old and would keep you from going to Disneyworld? You can visit the Colosseum and go to Disneyworld right after that.
Likewise: you can play old games and new games. One does not exclude the other.
OP, don't you think technology is moving quickly enough as it is? We've come pretty far in a rather short space of time.
Who is also to say that one person cannot play both old and new systems? Just because you buy one, doesn't mean you can't have the other.
What I have to say to the TC is this.
So say a game like GTA4 that everyone loves now is amazing and everyone loves it. But in about 10-15 years from now it will be outdated therefore its crappy and not fun anymore. And we shouldn't even waste our money on it. If so then why should games even exsist if they eventualy get old and outdated and classfied not fun anymore by the majority of people?
Its like with Halo I love the first 2 more then Halo 3 and consider that one of the worst wastes of money ever. Sure the legendary package was kewl but the game itself had alot of aspects that make it fail compared to the predcessors.
I have my NES that I bought in 1988 sitting on the same shelf with my Xbox 360 connected to the same tv as my Xbox, PS2, Gamecube and my Dreamcast.
Nostalgia helps bring back memories of playing games on each system, and most games I own are just as fun now, as when they WERE the cutting-edge 'graphical powerhouses'.
I have fun playing Super Mario Bros./Duck Tales/Kings of the Beach/TMNT III/Blaster Master, then I can go play something like Tekken Tag Tournament/Gran Turismo 3/God of War/Twisted Metal Black, in the same day, I can play Sonic Adventure/Crazy Taxi/Marvel vs. Capcom 2, then I can play Mario Kart Double Dash/Metroid Prime II/Resident Evil 2, 3 or 4/Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, later I can play Halo/Halo 2/GTA III/GTA Vice City/SSX Tricky/Rallisport Challenge 2/Project Gotham Racing, and at the end of the same day I can choose to play Rez HD/PGR 3/Halo 3/Forza Motorsport 2 or GTA IV.
I can sit in the same room and relive games from my childhood, and within a few minutes/hours move up to the 'latest and greatest'. It's all about playing games. That's what I like about having multiple/'outdated' consoles.
Firing up the NES and playing Duck Hunt is just something special. The gun is 20 years and is still responsive as hell today. The NES actually looks better on my TV than my friend's N64. A lot better. ( I have a modern Sanyo SDTV). The NES looks pretty much perfect. Can't wait to get my Advantage and Max controllers in the mail. Paid under ten bucks for each,lol.
Can't wait to get my Advantage and Max controllers in the mail.
earthmonkeyyy
The Max was awesome for Megaman games.
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