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#1 godzillavskong
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I was reading a article online, which was about the tame Spec Ops The Line, and how they were forced to impliment multiplayer since it was promised by the publisher as a selling tool. Thats why i praise the publishers who give total creative freedom. I know the publishers have to be weary, especially since its there $$, but sometimes forcing certain thinga can bring down a otherwise great game. Link-http://www.oxmonline.com/spec-ops-dev-multiplayer-mode-cancerous-growth-forced-2k
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#2 meetroid8
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Your link is broken, but this is something I'm sure a lot of games fall prey to. Multiplayer is considered a necessity nowadays.
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Your link is broken, but this is something I'm sure a lot of games fall prey to. Multiplayer is considered a necessity nowadays. meetroid8
Yeah, I seen that. Sorry. I was typing on my IPad. Pain in the £#! Just google Spec ops multiplayer development woes.
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#4 godzillavskong
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Or google Spec Ops The Line OXM article.
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#5 godzillavskong
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Or google Spec Ops The Line OXM article.
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If single player games want multiplayer, they should look at implementing it in new ways like what's seen in Demon/Dark Souls. Simply wacking on a half baked multiplayer brings the game down regardless of how good the single player turns out to be.

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Right, we are so confused on it...
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The TC didn't actually read the interview. The designer clearly stated that at Take 2's insistence, a different team designed the multiplayer.

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/8/28/3269504/her-full-story-behind-spec-ops-the-line-williams-davis-pearsey-2kgames

Against Davis' wishes, development on the multiplayer component proceeded and was farmed out to multiple studios before ending up at Darkside Studios. The result, according to Davis, was a "low-quality Call of Duty clone in third-person," which "tossed out the creative pillars of the product." "It sheds a negative light on all of the meaningful things we did in the single-player experience," Davis said. "The multiplayer game's tone is entirely different, the game mechanics were raped to make it happen, and it was a waste of money. No one is playing it, and I don't even feel like it's part of the overall package

Gamers on the internet whine about the multiplayer trend, but selling a short or medium length single player only shooter is damn near impossible in a world where the likes of CoD, Halo, Gears and Uncharted boast 3 modes (campaign, online co-op and competitive online). And even if a shooter does everything right it might not be a sales success (Spec Ops failed commercially, but so did Max Payne 3, which checked all the boxes). Despite the genre's popularity, the cost of making shooters is so high and the chance of success so low eventually game designers will wake up and explore other avenues.

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#10 Jackc8
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Most publishers pay far more attention to their marketing departments than they do to their developers or customers. It dehumanizes the industry and leaves it directionless, as marketing departments are utterly devoid of the imagination that's required to move things forward.

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The TC didn't actually read the interview. The designer clearly stated that at Take 2's insistence, a different team designed the multiplayer.

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/8/28/3269504/her-full-story-behind-spec-ops-the-line-williams-davis-pearsey-2kgames

Against Davis' wishes, development on the multiplayer component proceeded and was farmed out to multiple studios before ending up at Darkside Studios. The result, according to Davis, was a "low-quality Call of Duty clone in third-person," which "tossed out the creative pillars of the product." "It sheds a negative light on all of the meaningful things we did in the single-player experience," Davis said. "The multiplayer game's tone is entirely different, the game mechanics were raped to make it happen, and it was a waste of money. No one is playing it, and I don't even feel like it's part of the overall package

Gamers on the internet whine about the multiplayer trend, but selling a short or medium length single player only shooter is damn near impossible in a world where the likes of CoD, Halo, Gears and Uncharted boast 3 modes (campaign, online co-op and competitive online). And even if a shooter does everything right it might not be a sales success (Spec Ops failed commercially, but so did Max Payne 3, which checked all the boxes). Despite the genre's popularity, the cost of making shooters is so high and the chance of success so low eventually game designers will wake up and explore other avenues.

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I did read the article. They were forced to put it in the game, so they had another dev work on that, while they did the single player. It still got ruined by the poor job the other team did on the multiplayer.
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#12 CarnageHeart
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Most publishers pay far more attention to their marketing departments than they do to their developers or customers. It dehumanizes the industry and leaves it directionless, as marketing departments are utterly devoid of the imagination that's required to move things forward.

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I disagree. I think sales are what is most important for most publishers. I don't damn them for that. Gaming isn't a charity and a publisher that declared 'We won't worry about making a profit but we also won't pay our developers' would never publish because no one would work for them.

However I do think that aping what is popular (often an expensive proposition) isn't as sure a route to success as many of them seem to think (CoD fans will more likely than not just stick with CoD and its vast community rather than jump into a CoDish game which very well might never develop a community). A game in a less popular genre or even in a new genre has just as much chance of success as clone #2.304.

That being said, there is no denying the disproportionate importance of franchises in the industry. A lot of consumers are indifferent to developers but fixate on franchises. When Miyamoto makes a game other than Mario, people who piss their pants when a new Mario game is unveiled yawn and say 'Yeah, that's nice, but where's Mario?' (on a related note, its damn sad that Kojima does nothing but make Metal Gears nowadays). If consumers fixated less on franchises and more on developers then there would be more innovation in the industry. When Stephen King writes a book, he doesn't have to worry that people will ignore it because it isn't a sequel. So some of the fault lies with consumers.