Please, next year, make a simulation category...

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#1 FrankTheFrank
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The simulation Air-combat. The Simulation malls (Tycoon series), the simulation cities, and most of all, the SIMS deserve their own category. That is not, in anyway related to strategy. There is no long range planning involved in "My sim is hungry, I better send him to the kitchen" there is no strategy. No gameplay. I mean, really? It's a SIMULATION GAME. Not a strategy. Stick with the base builders and the combat games, but it makes me a sad sad man to see my favourite genre taken over by such a horrible game.

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#2 Adam_the_Nerd
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AGREED
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#3 Vinder_DarkWolf
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I concur.

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#4 anything57
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I never noticed they didn't have a category like this....
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Were there enough sim games released this year to make its own category? Or even better, how many sim games did GS review this year?

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#6 naval
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Please no, I doubt there are any reviewers at GS who can review Flight Sims (they didn't even reviewed DCS : Black Shark --- one of the best heli sims) and we will see the same stupid results like we saw with strategy games this year
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#7 shaunmc
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Is this all just because you can poop in The Sims 3?
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Were there enough sim games released this year to make its own category? Or even better, how many sim games did GS review this year?

phatkav

there were enough, same with last year. But as you suspected...none got reviewed at GS. So I wouldn't expect this category to return. I mean..GS didn't even have it in 2005..in a year when they reviewed Silent Hunter 3 and Falcon4: AS with 8.9 scores.

Same with adventure genre, a lot of games this year from this tgenre, but no category in awards

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#9 SSBMFighter
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Is this all just because you can poop in The Sims 3? shaunmc

lol'd
But other than the never ending The Sims series, are there really any other goodsimulation games that come out?

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[QUOTE="shaunmc"]Is this all just because you can poop in The Sims 3? SSBMFighter

lol'd
But other than the never ending The Sims series, are there really any other goodsimulation games that come out?

Have a look for yourself.

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#11 KristoffBrujah
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Yeah, there needs to be a special Sims category to keep Simulation from being confused with Strategy. I agree.

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It seems to be a good assumption that very few have done more than read reviews and look at videos of the Sim games. It only makes sense since everybody swears up and down that there is not strategy in a Sim game. I think folks are just mad that GS decided the game represented Strategy games better than any of the others that have come out this year. Don't be mad guys! It is what it is. Besides, GS GOTY choices are not the end of the world. If there was a game you liked better than what GS chose, then that's what matters. GS decided on one thing, you can decide on something else.
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It seems to be a good assumption that very few have done more than read reviews and look at videos of the Sim games. It only makes sense since everybody swears up and down that there is not strategy in a Sim game. I think folks are just mad that GS decided the game represented Strategy games better than any of the others that have come out this year. Don't be mad guys! It is what it is. Besides, GS GOTY choices are not the end of the world. If there was a game you liked better than what GS chose, then that's what matters. GS decided on one thing, you can decide on something else.chicknfeet

No, I watched a ~10 hour playthrough. I can answer any question you have about this game to prove it, and I can describe its mechanics and GUI in great detail if necessary. I even designed my sis's character and built her houses and bought all the furniture. She's little, so I helped her every step of the way through the game.

And no, it's not a strategy game. It's a simulation.

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[QUOTE="chicknfeet"]It seems to be a good assumption that very few have done more than read reviews and look at videos of the Sim games. It only makes sense since everybody swears up and down that there is not strategy in a Sim game. I think folks are just mad that GS decided the game represented Strategy games better than any of the others that have come out this year. Don't be mad guys! It is what it is. Besides, GS GOTY choices are not the end of the world. If there was a game you liked better than what GS chose, then that's what matters. GS decided on one thing, you can decide on something else.KristoffBrujah

No, I watched a ~10 hour playthrough. I can answer any question you have about this game to prove it, and I can describe its mechanics and GUI in great detail if necessary. I even designed my sis's character and built her houses and bought all the furniture. She's little, so I helped her every step of the way through the game.

And no, it's not a strategy game. It's a simulation.

You know just because it`s outside of the RTS realm it can still qualify as a strategy. You have to deal with social situations (micro managing alliances and trade), build and design a house that suits your Sim`s needs (managing a town or colony), and the list goes on and on. Good on GameSpot for recognizing a clever and sublte strategy game this year for being the best in it`s category.

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[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

[QUOTE="chicknfeet"]It seems to be a good assumption that very few have done more than read reviews and look at videos of the Sim games. It only makes sense since everybody swears up and down that there is not strategy in a Sim game. I think folks are just mad that GS decided the game represented Strategy games better than any of the others that have come out this year. Don't be mad guys! It is what it is. Besides, GS GOTY choices are not the end of the world. If there was a game you liked better than what GS chose, then that's what matters. GS decided on one thing, you can decide on something else.Bobzfamily

No, I watched a ~10 hour playthrough. I can answer any question you have about this game to prove it, and I can describe its mechanics and GUI in great detail if necessary. I even designed my sis's character and built her houses and bought all the furniture. She's little, so I helped her every step of the way through the game.

And no, it's not a strategy game. It's a simulation.

You know just because it`s outside of the RTS realm it can still qualify as a strategy. You have to deal with social situations (micro managing alliances and trade), build and design a house that suits your Sim`s needs (managing a town or colony), and the list goes on and on. Good on GameSpot for recognizing a clever and sublte strategy game this year for being the best in it`s category.

But there's no victory; that's what a strategy game is about, using a strategy to significantly improve your chances of victory. Chess, checkers, Warcraft, Total War series, they all have this element which the Sims lack: defined victory and loss.

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#16 chicknfeet
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But there's no victory; that's what a strategy game is about, using a strategy to significantly improve your chances of victory. Chess, checkers, Warcraft, Total War series, they all have this element which the Sims lack: defined victory and loss.

KristoffBrujah
So, in a nutshell, you want a "YOU WIN" screen, then you will consider it a Strategy game?
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#17 789shadow
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Waste of time. You very likely couldn't fill it past 1 nominee.

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Waste of time. You very likely couldn't fill it past 1 nominee.

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2010 Simulation Games that are worth mentioning:

  • Storm of War: Battle of Britain
  • Silent Hunter V
  • Infinity: The Quest for Earth
  • Black Prophecy
  • Rising Sun
  • Universe Online

Perhaps if the category were "Virtual Life" (the genre listed under "Sims 3") then you'd be right, but there's actually quite a bit of simulation games that are made each year.

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#19 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Waste of time. You very likely couldn't fill it past 1 nominee.

Stevo_the_gamer

2010 Simulation Games that are worth mentioning:

  • Storm of War: Battle of Britain
  • Silent Hunter V
  • Infinity: The Quest for Earth
  • Black Prophecy
  • Rising Sun
  • Universe Online

Perhaps if the category were "Virtual Life" (the genre listed under "Sims 3") then you'd be right, but there's actually quite a bit of simulation games that are made each year.

Don't forget Seven G, Jumpgate Evolution,DCS: A-10C Warthog, World of Thanks, Jet Thunder, Lock ON: Flaming Cliffs 2.0, Ship Simulator 2010. Also...rumors are in few weeks Space Shuttle Sim 2010 will be announced

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Don't forget Seven G, Jumpgate Evolution,DCS: A-10C Warthog, World of Thanks, Jet Thunder, Lock ON: Flaming Cliffs 2.0, Ship Simulator 2010. Also...rumors are in few weeks Space Shuttle Sim 2010 will be announced

AdrianWerner

I'll keep those in mind for next time. :P

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Yes, a simulation category, so that MechWarrior Reboot rules it next year:

Wahaha, sorry, couldn't help myself:(

Going to be a great game. And no, simulators don't have to simulate real things:)

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#22 Rhen_Var
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If this is the case, I would assume that Assassin's Creed could actually be added in this category?
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#23 AdrianWerner
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Yes, a simulation category, so that MechWarrior Reboot rules it next year:

Wahaha, sorry, couldn't help myself:(

Going to be a great game. And no, simulators don't have to simulate real things:)

HavocV3

As much as I'm dying to play this, if it launches next year it won't stand a chance against monsters of the genre like Storm of War, A10 Warthog or Silent hunter 5 :)

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#24 StanleyL
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I hope someone makes Sim GameSpot: live the life of a game reviewer. Play games, write about them, go to trade shows, debate game of the year awards, post on forums, and of course, poop.

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#25 cloudmip
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I agree. There should be a simulation category.