PS3 @ E3 - This is sink or swim for Sony

Software - The first wave of software has turned out to be a disaster. Almost everything has been delayed, defected or underwhelmed. Yes the PS1/2 had this problem to the extent but 8 months into the lifespan not so much. Here's what I'd hope to see:

- Killzone 2 - If Sony doesn't show something big for this game it's going to get forgotten after Halo 3 and Crysis come out. It's important for them to show something soon.

Tekken 6 - Lock this up, no way they can afford another VF5. Same deal with Metal Gear.

- God of War 3 announcement.

- Heavy Rain - Well, they have an exclusive, lets see what the hell it is. Same goes for Africka.

- Lair, Warhawk and others have been pushed back a few times. Sony needs to show more polished builds to reflect this.

- New IP's. They need to make up for what they lost.

- PS1/2 classic compliations. Use that damn space somehow.

Online - This is another big problem for the PS3, just like MS didn't learn from Sony with broken systems Sony didn't learn from Xbox with online. Home's coming, so this is mostly addressed. But another problem is how hard is it to upload PS1 games on the PStore? They are just letting Nintendo and MS roll all over them in this department. So for E3 Sony needs to:

- Show home up and running

- Show PS3's equivalent to Socom(which very well might be LBP, so more info on that)

- Show how they are going to get more PStore downloads up, faster.

Other

- Show controller with vibration.

- Show redesigned, cheaper PSP.

- Show how they are going to cut the PS3's costs.

- Make sure developers can understand the system.

These things can hopefully start a turnaround, but I really believe E3 it has to start. They can't carry this horrific momentum into the holiday.

Yep, this isa very imporant E3 for Sony becauase it's going to set the momentum for much of the fall. I hope they don't think they can wait for the Tokyo game show to make an impact.

Still, I'm wondering when people are going to start asking Nintnedo to show some real content. Nintnedo's software right now is worse than what the PS3 has to offer and so far I haven't seen much to give hope for the holiday season. Sure you can say it's selling like hot cakes but don't you still have to have some decent content as some point?

I think it will be even a little harder than that. a lot of the points you make are great but that's only remedies to catch up to what is available now on other systems. Even if Sony did all that, they would need Nintendo and MS to announce next to nothing at E3.

Nintendo and MSalso have huge game announcements, they'll announce new games, new features, Ms can even afford to make a price drop to match Sony's seeing as they make a profit on every system they sell...Nintendo doesn't need a drop...

this situation is like the tortoise and the hare... the only way for the tortoise to win is if the hare makes constant mistakes and rests on its laurels... i don't think Nintendo or MS are going to do that this time around

Sony really has their work cut out for them... I think even if they have a great E3 the effects will be negligable. It's hard to convince the publicthat you're offering a winning product after it's already been determined to be a losing one (by the media and consumers alike).jedigemini

Where did this happen again? I hadn't realized the major vot had taken place.

Wow..................just wow.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]Sony really has their work cut out for them... I think even if they have a great E3 the effects will be negligable. It's hard to convince the publicthat you're offering a winning product after it's already been determined to be a losing one (by the media and consumers alike).yomi_basic

Where did this happen again? I hadn't realized the major vot had taken place.

Wow..................just wow.

Have you noticed how poorly it's selling in sales tracking data?

[QUOTE="yomi_basic"]

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]Sony really has their work cut out for them... I think even if they have a great E3 the effects will be negligable. It's hard to convince the publicthat you're offering a winning product after it's already been determined to be a losing one (by the media and consumers alike).jedigemini

Where did this happen again? I hadn't realized the major vot had taken place.

Wow..................just wow.

Have you noticed how poorly it's selling in sales tracking data?

I have not seen the mainstream media proclaim the system as a failure.

It's still seeling pretty well for a $600 system with no games.

I think most sane people realize that Sony needs to make some moves soon but they have not labled it a failure by any means.

With such a scaled down E3, Sony has no excuse not to dazzle the crowd, there aren't many other vendors around to steal their thunder.

As far as Killzone 2, hopefully Sony gets it right this time.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="yomi_basic"]

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]Sony really has their work cut out for them... I think even if they have a great E3 the effects will be negligable. It's hard to convince the publicthat you're offering a winning product after it's already been determined to be a losing one (by the media and consumers alike).yomi_basic

Where did this happen again? I hadn't realized the major vot had taken place.

Wow..................just wow.

Have you noticed how poorly it's selling in sales tracking data?

I have not seen the mainstream media proclaim the system as a failure.

It's still seeling pretty well for a $600 system with no games.

I think most sane people realize that Sony needs to make some moves soon but they have not labled it a failure by any means.

I really don't think there's anything "well" about the way the PS3 is selling right now, 80 k a month in NA, and 8 k a week in Japan in simply pathetic.... this is the freakin PS3 afterall. I expect good games and a price drop to offer the PS3 a nice spike in sales, but the competition is in a better place to match price drops, and as far as it's chances to repeat the dominance of the PS1, and PS2... or even keep up with the Wii...or even 360.... highly doubtful.

The truth is it will likely take Sony generations to undo the damage that has just been done to the Playstation name... something that's not going to happen just because of some trade show.

Trade shows aren't a big deal in and of themselves. Winning them doesn't translate into success in the real world (the Dreamcast won two trade shows).

While the price cut is apparently still up in the air, based on what has been announced, Sony is doing everything right on the first party side of things (wide variety of games, good mix of original games and sequels) though as has been noted earlier in the thread, Sony's third party support is lacking (perhaps in part due to their poor technical support of 3rd parties).

Unlike some, I don't think Sony should bother writing checks for say, MGS or Tekken (irregardless of their quality, both franchises have been declining in popularity). Given limited resources, it makes more sense to fund quality original games than spend lots of money on three or six months of exclusivity.

Trade shows aren't a big deal in and of themselves. Winning them doesn't translate into success in the real world (the Dreamcast won two trade shows).

While the price cut is apparently still up in the air, based on what has been announced, Sony is doing everything right on the first party side of things (wide variety of games, good mix of original games and sequels) though as has been noted earlier in the thread, Sony's third party support is lacking (perhaps in part due to their poor technical support of 3rd parties).

Unlike some, I don't think Sony should bother writing checks for say, MGS or Tekken (irregardless of their quality, both franchises have been declining in popularity). Given limited resources, it makes more sense to fund quality original games than spend lots of money on three or six months of exclusivity.

CarnageHeart

Well if they lose Tekken then that means Sony has lost every advantage they had in the fighting genre. At this stage it looks like 6 will remain exclusive, it and Time Crisis have been Playstation staples since their inception. Losing it would be a morale-sinker, even though it doesn't do the numbers it used to.

And while the Metal Gear Solid prequels(3 and PO) have declined, MGS4 is still one of the most high profile next-gen games around. Easily looks like the best-selling title Sony has shown right now I'd say. While RE declined on the GC steadily, there is no doubt RE4 going to PS2 was a huge blow to the GC.

Well they will have a price drop to annouce so thats at least a start. They better show off many new games, especially exclusive ones. The games better blow away people, thats what they need to focus on.

They will have a new MGS4 trailer shown so I will be happy.

dvader654

Well, if they do announce new exclusives, they will probably be first party, because I don't see how any third party can justify giving the PS3 an exclusive given how poorly it is selling.

Trade shows aren't a big deal in and of themselves. Winning them doesn't translate into success in the real world (the Dreamcast won two trade shows).

While the price cut is apparently still up in the air, based on what has been announced, Sony is doing everything right on the first party side of things (wide variety of games, good mix of original games and sequels) though as has been noted earlier in the thread, Sony's third party support is lacking (perhaps in part due to their poor technical support of 3rd parties).

Unlike some, I don't think Sony should bother writing checks for say, MGS or Tekken (irregardless of their quality, both franchises have been declining in popularity). Given limited resources, it makes more sense to fund quality original games than spend lots of money on three or six months of exclusivity.

CarnageHeart

This is a very true stamtent. I've said this before but sytems sleers are not going to be thos games we've seen before but new IP's or old IP's given a new life by a hardware upgrade. Sony's first and second party stuff is pretty impressive and while a third party title has yet to really knock my socks off the support is still thier with most major releases.

What Sony really needs to focus on post E3 is working with publishers to clean up their titles. Sony obviously knows how to push the PS3 and they need to do a much better job sharing those resources. It's inexusable to create a system that is hard to develop for and then not make developer tools a priority.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

Trade shows aren't a big deal in and of themselves. Winning them doesn't translate into success in the real world (the Dreamcast won two trade shows).

While the price cut is apparently still up in the air, based on what has been announced, Sony is doing everything right on the first party side of things (wide variety of games, good mix of original games and sequels) though as has been noted earlier in the thread, Sony's third party support is lacking (perhaps in part due to their poor technical support of 3rd parties).

Unlike some, I don't think Sony should bother writing checks for say, MGS or Tekken (irregardless of their quality, both franchises have been declining in popularity). Given limited resources, it makes more sense to fund quality original games than spend lots of money on three or six months of exclusivity.

trifecta_basic

Well if they lose Tekken then that means Sony has lost every advantage they had in the fighting genre. At this stage it looks like 6 will remain exclusive, it and Time Crisis have been Playstation staples since their inception. Losing it would be a morale-sinker, even though it doesn't do the numbers it used to.

And while the Metal Gear Solid prequels(3 and PO) have declined, MGS4 is still one of the most high profile next-gen games around. Easily looks like the best-selling title Sony has shown right now I'd say. While RE declined on the GC steadily, there is no doubt RE4 going to PS2 was a huge blow to the GC.

Not really, the console race was well over at that point and most people had made their decision. It might have hurt those people that liked the idea of RE exclusivity but it really didn't have much of a sales impact.

Losing MGS exlusivity could hurt (depending on how quickly an Xbox follow up comes) but I just don't see Tekken and Time Crisis as big enough titles.

They better announce Twisted Metal Black 2 or somethingsince that Warhawk thing pretty much fell through.smerlus

Software - The first wave of software has turned out to be a disaster. Almost everything has been delayed, defected or underwhelmed. Yes the PS1/2 had this problem to the extent but 8 months into the lifespan not so much. Here's what I'd hope to see:

- Killzone 2 - If Sony doesn't show something big for this game it's going to get forgotten after Halo 3 and Crysis come out. It's important for them to show something soon.

Tekken 6 - Lock this up, no way they can afford another VF5. Same deal with Metal Gear.

- God of War 3 announcement.

- Heavy Rain - Well, they have an exclusive, lets see what the hell it is. Same goes for Africka.

- Lair, Warhawk and others have been pushed back a few times. Sony needs to show more polished builds to reflect this.

- New IP's. They need to make up for what they lost.

- PS1/2 classic compliations. Use that damn space somehow.

Online - This is another big problem for the PS3, just like MS didn't learn from Sony with broken systems Sony didn't learn from Xbox with online. Home's coming, so this is mostly addressed. But another problem is how hard is it to upload PS1 games on the PStore? They are just letting Nintendo and MS roll all over them in this department. So for E3 Sony needs to:

- Show home up and running

- Show PS3's equivalent to Socom(which very well might be LBP, so more info on that)

- Show how they are going to get more PStore downloads up, faster.

Other

- Show controller with vibration.

- Show redesigned, cheaper PSP.

- Show how they are going to cut the PS3's costs.

- Make sure developers can understand the system.

These things can hopefully start a turnaround, but I really believe E3 it has to start. They can't carry this horrific momentum into the holiday.

trifecta_basic

E3 is not the event it used to be. The media and consumers are still in the mindset that the event is going to be the gigantic affair it has been of previous years. This isn't to say that the companies won't be making large announcements or showing their lineups, but some of the buzz has definitely been taken out of it.

Software - You declare the initial software a disaster. Where has any of it been defected or underwhelming? Resistance, Motorstorm, and Virtua Fighter 5 were big successes for the PS3 just as Ninja Gaiden is on its way to becoming. Two of the major delays it has seen, Rainbow Six and Oblivion, were both released with extra content on the game and in the case of Oblivion was reworked to play better on the PS3 than the 360. The initial line up was not a blockbuster affair but it has been solid and has definitely not been a disaster.

KZ2 - Other than the initial video, Sony has been very titght lipped on this game. The hype behind this is media and consumer driven. Sony intends to show it at E3 and hopefully with the attention and large budget it has received it will be able to live up to some of the hype.

Tekken 6 - Any exclusive would be nice but this isn't a big concern. Fighting games are a tremendously small portion of a game library. Not a significant loss if it doesn't stay exclusive.

GOW3 - This is a given, though it may not be announced. It was already"unofficially" announed some time ago. The game is a multi million seller on the system and left off on a cliffhanger. It will be back.

Delays - Every company has delays. Period. Each of these games that you list has shown significant improvment each build. I point you in the direction of the huge graphics bump that Warhawk had.

IP's - Uncharted, Eye of Judgement, Lair, heavenly Sword, and Folklore are all new IP's. They are not hurting in this department, but as with any of the companies, the more the merrier.

Online - PS1 games needed to be coded as a download and require man power to put onto system. Microsoft has no comparable service to this. The Wii is definitely out pacing the PS3 in this area with the virtual console, but it is also a primary function of the system where as it is an extra for the PS3.

Home - Has been shown multiple times, has articles and videos on the net, and is currently in closed beta.

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Basically, I don't think your argument is going anywhere. Most of what you want to see has already happened or been shown. All Sony needs to do at E3 is present their solid line up and expand on what they want to do with the PSN.

While RE declined on the GC steadily, there is no doubt RE4 going to PS2 was a huge blow to the GC.

trifecta_basic

It wasn't a blow in the slightest bit. The problem with RE on the GC was that the system was tailored towards a younger audience and the crowd that would be interested in the RE games was wary of purchasing a system for only one franchise. RE4 was released a year later on the PS2, which was more than enough time to do everything that needed to be done on the GC.

It wasn't a blow in the slightest bit. The problem with RE on the GC was that the system was tailored towards a younger audience and the crowd that would be interested in the RE games was wary of purchasing a system for only one franchise. RE4 was released a year later on the PS2, which was more than enough time to do everything that needed to be done on the GC.

Velric

It might not have been a huge blow, but to say there as no impact at all isn't probably wholly accurate as well, IMHO.

I think Sony should do ok at E3 as long as the $100 pricecut stays true. For me thats really the only thing holding me back on the system is the price. Even if Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, and Tekken 6 were to all go multiplatform I'd still want to pick up a PS3. There are already a good number of games I'd grab for the system right now with Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Resistance, Ridge Racer 7, and Tekken 5: Dark Ressurection with 2 or 3 I'm forgetting at the moment. There are also a few games I'm really looking forward to in the future with Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, and White Knight Story.

As long as they at least get close to what they showed off before with Killzone 2 it looks like it could be at least pretty good so if they have a conference dedicated to it they must be fairly confident which is a good sign. Home looks pretty cool so I'm really looking forward to seeing more on that.

Price is really the only barrier for me and as long as that is addressed then I'll probably be happy with their E3 show.

While RE declined on the GC steadily, there is no doubt RE4 going to PS2 was a huge blow to the GC.

trifecta_basic

The GC was already dead at that point. You can't kill something more than once.

It might not have been a huge blow, but to say there as no impact at all isn't probably wholly accurate as well, IMHO.

Skylock00

No, it is accurate. The GC had nowhere to go but up and clearly Capcom understood this, hence the announcement in advance of a port to the PS2.

[QUOTE="trifecta_basic"]

While RE declined on the GC steadily, there is no doubt RE4 going to PS2 was a huge blow to the GC.

MarcusAntonius

The GC was already dead at that point. You can't kill something more than once.

I think it would of gave it a bit of momentum, which always helps in the whole scheme of things. The reason it's a big blow is because of the timing and lack of supporting titles. VF5 by far was the best of 2007 so far for the PS3 and hearing it go multi not only diminishes the power/price argument, it also lowers the impact of the whole lineup until something exclusive comes out that is just as good. Motorstorm was close but way too stripped down.

[QUOTE="Skylock00"]

It might not have been a huge blow, but to say there as no impact at all isn't probably wholly accurate as well, IMHO.

MarcusAntonius

No, it is accurate. The GC had nowhere to go but up and clearly Capcom understood this, hence the announcement in advance of a port to the PS2.

Trade shows aren't a big deal in and of themselves. Winning them doesn't translate into success in the real world (the Dreamcast won two trade shows).

While the price cut is apparently still up in the air, based on what has been announced, Sony is doing everything right on the first party side of things (wide variety of games, good mix of original games and sequels) though as has been noted earlier in the thread, Sony's third party support is lacking (perhaps in part due to their poor technical support of 3rd parties).

Unlike some, I don't think Sony should bother writing checks for say, MGS or Tekken (irregardless of their quality, both franchises have been declining in popularity). Given limited resources, it makes more sense to fund quality original games than spend lots of money on three or six months of exclusivity.

CarnageHeart

I think it will be even a little harder than that. a lot of the points you make are great but that's only remedies to catch up to what is available now on other systems. Even if Sony did all that, they would need Nintendo and MS to announce next to nothing at E3.

Nintendo and MSalso have huge game announcements, they'll announce new games, new features, Ms can even afford to make a price drop to match Sony's seeing as they make a profit on every system they sell...Nintendo doesn't need a drop...

this situation is like the tortoise and the hare... the only way for the tortoise to win is if the hare makes constant mistakes and rests on its laurels... i don't think Nintendo or MS are going to do that this time around

smerlus

Agreed and with many third parties shifting to Nintendo and Microsoft constantly doing their little surprises I don't have too much faith in SONY. They need to do something REALLY incredible to take the show, you know give that tortise a jetpack so he can fly through the finish line. :P

It can't be proven as accurate, and there's no way of knowing for sure whether or not there was any sort of actual impact from the announcement. My suspicion is that there was some level of impact on the sales of the GC version of the game, however.

Skylock00

True from what I'm aware of the PS2 version outsold the GC version in Japan.

[QUOTE="trifecta_basic"]

While RE declined on the GC steadily, there is no doubt RE4 going to PS2 was a huge blow to the GC.

Velric

It wasn't a blow in the slightest bit. The problem with RE on the GC was that the system was tailored towards a younger audience and the crowd that would be interested in the RE games was wary of purchasing a system for only one franchise. RE4 was released a year later on the PS2, which was more than enough time to do everything that needed to be done on the GC.

Exactly. Expecting gamers who had systematically shunned every M rated game to hit the system (from Remake to Eternal Darkness) to pick up RE4 was to place hope against experience. Not to mention the fact that at that time Nintendo was doing its level best to kill of the GC (a reality they denied early in 2005 by citing Paper Mario RPG and Twilight Princess) which hadn't fared all that well in 2004 (MP2's sales were a fraction of MP1's despite a massive ad campaign by Nintendo). If you wanted to play Nintendo's latest and greatest in 2005, one needed a DS. Tying RE4 to a corpse would have been an act of insanity, especially with Capcom in the financial situation it was in.

But while I agree with your main point, the gap in releases was closer to 6 months than a year.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

Trade shows aren't a big deal in and of themselves. Winning them doesn't translate into success in the real world (the Dreamcast won two trade shows).

While the price cut is apparently still up in the air, based on what has been announced, Sony is doing everything right on the first party side of things (wide variety of games, good mix of original games and sequels) though as has been noted earlier in the thread, Sony's third party support is lacking (perhaps in part due to their poor technical support of 3rd parties).

Unlike some, I don't think Sony should bother writing checks for say, MGS or Tekken (irregardless of their quality, both franchises have been declining in popularity). Given limited resources, it makes more sense to fund quality original games than spend lots of money on three or six months of exclusivity.

crestfallen12

With a few notable exceptions (recently, The Darkness) the PS3 versions of games tend to be a day (or a few months) late and tend to be less impressive than the X360 versions. Virtua Tennis 3 on the PS3 lacks online, its been announced that a handful of football games will run at half the framerate of their X360 counterparts, Koei recently announced that a racing game which was a PS3 exclusive for more than a year before becoming multiplatform would be arriving on the X360 first because the PS3 version had hit development difficulties. Last but not least, developers asked about the matter say without exception that the X360 is a much easier system to develop games for. 'Signifigantly harder to develop for and much smaller userbase' are not the keys to strong third party support against a system whose owners enthusiastically buy first and third party games.

[QUOTE="crestfallen12"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

Trade shows aren't a big deal in and of themselves. Winning them doesn't translate into success in the real world (the Dreamcast won two trade shows).

While the price cut is apparently still up in the air, based on what has been announced, Sony is doing everything right on the first party side of things (wide variety of games, good mix of original games and sequels) though as has been noted earlier in the thread, Sony's third party support is lacking (perhaps in part due to their poor technical support of 3rd parties).

Unlike some, I don't think Sony should bother writing checks for say, MGS or Tekken (irregardless of their quality, both franchises have been declining in popularity). Given limited resources, it makes more sense to fund quality original games than spend lots of money on three or six months of exclusivity.

CarnageHeart

With a few notable exceptions (recently, The Darkness) the PS3 versions of games tend to be a day (or a few months) late and tend to be less impressive than the X360 versions. Virtua Tennis 3 on the PS3 lacks online, its been announced that a handful of football games will run at half the framerate of their X360 counterparts, Koei recently announced that a racing game which was a PS3 exclusive for more than a year before becoming multiplatform would be arriving on the X360 first because the PS3 version had hit development difficulties. Last but not least, developers asked about the matter say without exception that the X360 is a much easier system to develop games for. 'Signifigantly harder to develop for and much smaller userbase' are not the keys to strong third party support against a system whose owners enthusiastically buy first and third party games.

You really thought that The Darkness was better on PS3? I dunno, it looked a bit sharper, but the frame rate is more important to me.

On topic, it will take Sony wowing the crowds with some first party razzle-dazzle before third party developers start catching up. If they ever do, apart from the usual suspects, Namco and Konami.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][QUOTE="crestfallen12"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

Trade shows aren't a big deal in and of themselves. Winning them doesn't translate into success in the real world (the Dreamcast won two trade shows).

While the price cut is apparently still up in the air, based on what has been announced, Sony is doing everything right on the first party side of things (wide variety of games, good mix of original games and sequels) though as has been noted earlier in the thread, Sony's third party support is lacking (perhaps in part due to their poor technical support of 3rd parties).

Unlike some, I don't think Sony should bother writing checks for say, MGS or Tekken (irregardless of their quality, both franchises have been declining in popularity). Given limited resources, it makes more sense to fund quality original games than spend lots of money on three or six months of exclusivity.

nopalversion

With a few notable exceptions (recently, The Darkness) the PS3 versions of games tend to be a day (or a few months) late and tend to be less impressive than the X360 versions. Virtua Tennis 3 on the PS3 lacks online, its been announced that a handful of football games will run at half the framerate of their X360 counterparts, Koei recently announced that a racing game which was a PS3 exclusive for more than a year before becoming multiplatform would be arriving on the X360 first because the PS3 version had hit development difficulties. Last but not least, developers asked about the matter say without exception that the X360 is a much easier system to develop games for. 'Signifigantly harder to develop for and much smaller userbase' are not the keys to strong third party support against a system whose owners enthusiastically buy first and third party games.

You really thought that The Darkness was better on PS3? I dunno, it looked a bit sharper, but the frame rate is more important to me.

On topic, it will take Sony wowing the crowds with some first party razzle-dazzle before third party developers start catching up. If they ever do, apart from the usual suspects, Namco and Konami.

I think you misread his post. he just said that the Darkness is one of the qualitymultiplatform gamesthat the PS3 recieved on time without any hits to graphics or anything. In fact some might consider it better because of more video content.

[QUOTE="nopalversion"]

You really thought that The Darkness was better on PS3? I dunno, it looked a bit sharper, but the frame rate is more important to me.

On topic, it will take Sony wowing the crowds with some first party razzle-dazzle before third party developers start catching up. If they ever do, apart from the usual suspects, Namco and Konami.

smerlus

I think you misread his post. he just said that the Darkness is one of the qualitymultiplatform gamesthat the PS3 recieved on time without any hits to graphics or anything. In fact some might consider it better because of more video content.

What he said. I don't know which version if any is better, but I watched video of both and they both looked fine to me so I decided to go with the PS3 version for the video content (I didn't watch them the first time around but I appreciate the option) which isn't really relevant from a gaming standpoint.

Its been sink or swim for months...They've chosen to float for a while. We tons of people keep bring up price...but that only goes so far. The PS3 could sell at 600. It just has to meet the requirement of the best to do so. Ipod came out at 300...But it blew away the competition was the point. The difference was day and light for so long with it.

The problem was...the PS3 really has not impressed yet. It pretty much hasn't done anything but settle in a huge drought of ports, multiplats and a decent exculsive for the past 7months. Sony forgot the system is made to play games it seems. Thier end of the year looks better. But its still pretty meh...Darke's looks fantastic and Heavenly sword could be as good as God of War. Problem is...everything else. Socom, Warhawks, Folksoul, Lair, etc. Its looking pretty...meh. And Home... Doesn't really make it on par with XBL now. Its a step closer but how big? And most of its big titles...do not seem ready to land yet. MGS looks like it will hit March 08. They seem to hint at it...with comments like MGS fans do not mind waiting for quality and such. And GT and FF earliest are Summer for sure. Even that is questionable... And there are so many iffy titles such NIS on PS3...and Shin Megami 3 pretty much being Non MIA for 2years now.

Sony did the first predictable step...it lowered its price. Definitly the right idea.

I just rented Darkness for PS3, what video content is the added stuff, is it the extra content material.

dvader654

Its the in-game on-tv movies (I think I ran into four tvs throughout the game). If one so desires, one can sit in front of the tv for an hour or two and watch episodes of Flash Gordon and whatnot.

Warhawk at least should be beyond question. I've played it and it's an extremely polished online game. It's a must buy for anyone that likes online play. Massive levels, great balance, fantastic graphics, all while supporting 32 player online play with next to no lag. The only hitch during the beta was an infrequent freeze (roughly about once every 5 hours) but Incog said they'll take care of it, plus a few balance issues that were raised.

[QUOTE="Atrus"]

Warhawk at least should be beyond question. I've played it and it's an extremely polished online game. It's a must buy for anyone that likes online play. Massive levels, great balance, fantastic graphics, all while supporting 32 player online play with next to no lag. The only hitch during the beta was an infrequent freeze (roughly about once every 5 hours) but Incog said they'll take care of it, plus a few balance issues that were raised.

dvader654

I agree and I am not a fan of online games.It doesn't take much to notice a quality game though, Warhawk is just that for those that love online play.

My problem is not the quality...When its comming out...I think it would have been a great summer game. Even better if it is priced at 30...40 is kind of pushing it. But outside of that it looks very fun to play. The problem is...well its comming out later this year. Unreal 3, Quake Wars, Halo 3, Crysis, Half Life Ep2, Haze, And quite a few more. Its just a bad time for it.

Halo 3 is really the only competition for it. This is an online game only, i doubt haze will match its online game, HL2 is SP, Quake wars and unreal are PC games but Ive heard bad things about quake wars. I think its a fine time to come out. You just said the fall looks meh, but now this shouldn't come out in fall?

They better show off many new games, especially exclusive ones. The games better blow away people, thats what they need to focus on.

dvader654

Interesting, because this is exactly what I think Nintendo needs to do with the Wii.