PS4 the fastest selling console ever

Good news

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/12/12/analyst-ps4-was-biggest-console-launch-in-history

So it only outsold the Xbone by 100K. I've said before I think both companies are selling everything they ship at this point (launch rush) but I didn't realize MS had shipped almost as much/fast as Sony.

the numbers for europe aren't in, because we got a batch today, all of it sold out

Ya it would seem that way.

But these are old sales numbers for Ps4 so if they sold as well as previous it could be around 2.7-2.9mill sold now.

But its great for both consoles and who ever said "consoles is dead" have to go back and wait for another time to come up with their "predictions".

IT's a big middle finger to the PC/mobile/pad gaming guys saying it's dead

Indeed 4.1+ milling sold consoles in the first 2weeks is pretty decent.

Also its noteworthy that 4.1 is 1k more than the WiiU have sold worldwide so far in its lifetime :D

Nah. MS announced 2 million sold on December 11th. Sony announced their 2.1 million figure on December 1st after the European launch. They have sold a lot since then.

Sony reached 2 million in 16 days. MS in 19 days. Both very impressive. Sony will likely extend the lead when Japan goes live. Europe is also Sony town and MS is refusing to fight where Sony's strongest. Some European countries wont even get it until Q3 while Asian and middle-eastern countries are getting the PS4 this month. So it seems Sony is poised to win this sales wars, unless of course the X1 catches fire in the U.S. But right now they are getting comprehensively beaten in the U.S too despite breaking records. Sony has somehow reclaimed their brand awareness.

Seems both consoles could stay sold out until March from the looks of it. There's got to be more enthusiastic gamers than 05/06 around the world. Impressive what MS has done despite the $500 price tag, but lets see if the console would remain sold out until February/March and see if there's a decline in demand which price will play a big factor.

Nice. It's great to see that consoles are still going strong.

Would've sold even better if they had actually satisfied launch day demand.

And the scary part is that it's doing this with the weakest line up of the three next gen consoles. Imagine what will happen when this thing actually gets games!

@Pikminmaniac: Unless one is part of the diminishing group of people partial to Mario rehashes, the PS4 boasts a far stronger library than the Wii U.

Don't be ridiculous... PS4 has two games one of which is a decent enough FPS and the other a bad beat em up. To say that's 'far stronger' than the handful of great Wii U titles is absurd.

The PS4 will end up with the better library, of that I'm sure, but right now it's in dead last in terms of games.

The Wii's U handful of great games are Mario rehashes and an HD port of a old Zelda game. If that floats your boat, congrats, but that line-up bores most gamers.

You're looking past all the PS4's multiplats (most notably NBA2K14) and indie games (most notably Resogun).

*Shrugs* A disdain for third party games and indie games is common among Nintendo's console fans judging by software sales...

-You should probably play Mario 3D World. It's more creative and inventive than the vast majority of new IPs these days. You call it a rehash out of ignorance. Also Pikmin 3, Zombi U, and The Wonderful 101. All three are well acclaimed games that are extremely unique.

-Pretty much all those third part games people can play on any last gen console or PC... I had a great time with AC4 without having to pay for another console. I'm waiting until the next gen multiplats finally hit.

-I'll give you resogun. It looks good

-You should probably stop overgeneralizing people. Your assumptions will lead to people not taking you seriously.

Being more creative and inventive then the vast majority of new IPs is a low bar since most developers' dominant philosophy is 'me too'. The 'vast majority' of any commercial product has little to recommend it. As I've said before, I think companies being over reliant on old IP is problematic because it means that they preach to the converted rather than aim for new fans. If a company is making an exciting original game they are foolish to hide it behind an old IP.

Furthermore, I had a Gamecube (which I admittedly bought more for Nintendo's temporary determination to make original games than due to interest in their old franchises) and found I was less enamored of Nintendo's games based on their old IPs than their fans tended to be so I no longer waste my money or time on such games.

Whether or not people can play a game on another system is besides the point if they don't own that other system or the PS4 has the best version of the game.

Well I'm happy and it looks as though this gen may prove to be the best gen ever.

But now you're talking exclusives and not games available

I would say that Black Flag, Call of Duty, Battlefield 4 alone blows all of the wiiu titles out of the water. Since the WiiU have a limited appeal with the general public.

Yep i know. But not as launch titles.

So launch for launch X1/Ps4 had a better lineup.

Which just shows how weak the WiiU was when both X1 and Ps4 have one of the worst lineup ever in terms of exclusives and new games.

Hilarious is confusing NSMBU with quality.

Hilarious is also Nintendo choosing to slap Nintendo franchises into a minigame collection they hoped would be the Wii U's casual killer app. Part of the reason Wii Sports became such a big casual hit was it didn't rely on people knowing or caring anything about Nintendo's old core game.

Zombi U doesn't strike me as the sort of game anyone would recall 5 seconds after release if it released on a healthy console. Still, its no worse than NSMBU so its sad that it fared so poorly at retail. The commercial problems of games like Zombi U and Wonderful 101 spring partly from their lack of quality and or poorly though out concepts, but have a lot of it has to do with the fact that most Nintendo fans have little appetite for anything which isn't tied into Mario, Zelda or Sonic (I used to say Metroid, but let's face it, Metroid sales fell off a cliff in the Wii era).

*Shrugs* But I get that you are a Nintendo fan whose appetite for Mario and Zelda is unending so on the merits of the Wii U we are going to have to agree to disagree.

You're in this thread seeking to understand why the Wii U has been such a commercial failure. I am trying to help you understand. No need to get angry. As for NSMBU, it may be better than Knack, but I'd rather try a fresh game that even if it doesn't quite hit what it aims at than a worn out, by the book sequel. Honestly, there are many, many, many better games to spend my money on and time with than either game.

If you enjoy playing minigame collections starring Nintendo characters more than Killzone or Resogun, well, clearly you have a lot of love for Nintendo characters. Maybe if I shared your affection for Mario I would share your appreciation for the Wii U.

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With a tiny handful of exceptions, the Wii U got crappier looking versions of multiplatform current gen games (some of them quite old) with inferior online so few PS3 and X360 fans saw a reason to spend 350 bucks on a Wii U.

There have been some old ports (the bestselling game on PSN is the venerable Flower) on the PS4, but most games have been of more recent vintage and all of them looked substantially better than their past-gen counterparts.

The PS4 controller is widely praised (though I suspect most of us could live without the battery eating light) the Wii U controller is a weird gimmick Nintendo itself doesn't seem to know what to do with.

When seeking to get consumers to buy new hardware, offering an inferior experience/hardware isn't the way to do it.

@CarnageHeart Lol Carnage. Super Mario 3D Land is better than all the PS4 launch games combined.

Nope. He is in this thread because you shat on Wii U's exclusive games and called the Wii U launch titles worse than the PS4 which as dvader demonstrated simply isn't true.

Read the original post dvader quoted when your replied to pikminmaniac. Your statements in this thread are simply way off the mark.

Also, the fact that the mini games had more depth than KZSF and Knack shows you the quality of these games. I spent more time playing the DK mini game than I have KZSF.

Awesome news for both consoles. Glad to see that both companies are doing very well moving units.

What is interesting is despite the $100 price difference, the negative press after E3 and some of MS blunders in handling the Xbox One, they are only 100,000 off Sonys PS4. I think this really speaks to the brand power that MS has with the Xbox. Especially here in the United States where MS has invested a lot in marketing and partnerships with the NFL and now McDonald's.

Now all we need is more games!!

Shock and awe, I gotta side with Carnage on this one. Mario 3d land does look like the best exclusive game but outside of that the lineup looks extremely safe and dull. While everything on PS4 pretty much is worth playing and provides tons of hours of fun. I'd take Killzone over every Wii U game (except 3d Land) and Battlefield 4 as well. NBA 2k is vastly superior on PS4 to the point where its a different game. I simply have no need for any multiplat on Wii U when its way better on PS4. Wii U looks to improve things by Spring but the weak hardware is such a turnoff.

He's in this thread because like most Nintendo fans he is extremely attached to a tiny handful of franchises and was offended by the fact I pointed out that to non-Nintendo fans Yet Another Mario isn't a big deal.

*Shrugs* Its the truth, even if he and other Nintendo devotees don't want to hear it.

I suppose you would laugh off anyone who tries to tell you that TLOU isnt a big deal. After all it averages 95 on Metacritic while Super Mario 3D World averages 94.

Solid, I give some weight to reviews (I read a bunch of reviews and look for common threads) but I don't care about review scores (you'd be surprised how reviews with negative and positive scores say the same things about a game).

If somebody said 'I don't like The Last of Us' well, I'd respect that and point them towards X:Com: Enemy Within, The Puppeteer, Littlebigplanet 2 (which has some new DLC in the works), Dragon's Crown or maybe Ni No Kuni, not mention the review score to them ('You didn't like the game, but it got a 95 on Metacritic so you were wrong to be bored!'). No game appeals to everyone, so variety is a good thing for a system to have.

Speaking of variety, I think you are missing my point about franchises. Nintendo slaps Mario into many of their games because they know there are gamers out there who will say 'Yay Mario! Mario makes it good, whatever it is!' but there are a lot of gamers out there who are either tired of Mario or never cared about Mario and those people just roll their eyes when the weekly Mario is released. Do you honestly think I am wrong?

i honestly think they're all the same company. just the same company under 2 different names. Isn't it funny how there's always 2 fighting against eachother. Why wouldn't another company come out with something similar. Like Acer or one of those companies. They could easily do it with the hardware thats available. Same with ATI and NvIdia. Same company, just split in half and going head to head just to generate a divide and create more buzz and interest.

One way to prove it is. How come the 2 GFX cars makers. have a completely different way of making the core's for the gfx cards, yet they just always magically are the same speed as eachother. And how come every 3 months, a new version of the same card comes out for both companies at the same time, with again the exact same scores. giving about 3fps more than the last card they sold, at twice the price.

If there was any true competition, one of these companies would have blown the other out of the water years ago by coming up with some new great concept. But for 10+ years they slowly just trickled along together gaining a frame here and a frame there.

It's an identical story with AMD and Intel... 10+ years... a new core, 100mhz faster than the previous one, 5fps more than the last one, but the exact same performance roughly as the competitor, even thought they're completely different CPU's with completely different architecture. It's a game. They know the best way to generate interest is to pretend there's a real competition. when they are both either the same company, or they have a mutual agreement that they share their technology to ensure that they always only barely increase the power of the next card/cpu/console by 1% etc.

I find it difficult to believe that after 10 years. None of them still have gone ahead in the CPU race, intel and amd etc. Intel created a brand new technology and brought out this monster i7 which was supposed to be a game changer and be just beastly leaving AMD trailing behind by about 30%. but then magically out of nowhere the following month, AMD all of a suddent can release chips the same speed as the i7's no problem, without any new advance in technology. just release a new bulldozer core or whatever.

So if they can do this to rival intel, why didn't they just do that in the first place?

No need to apologize, what you said was no worse than what I said. I know I represent an extreme position when it comes to Nintendo. I sincerely believe my position, but I understand that you believe yours as well.

I amazed how this thread degraded so quickly without my input. I feel left out. :P

No, my position is that a company that wants to attract large groups of gamers shouldn't lean too much on a handful of franchises. Look at Nintendo's portables, they draw a wide range of gamers and not too long ago Nintendo spend what was no doubt an impressive amount of money to secure exclusivity for Monster Hunter, the PSP's biggest franchise.

Its also worth keeping in mind that DS sales were lackluster until the release of original games Nintendogs and Brain Training. The Wii U's first killer app was the original Wii Sports. I'm not saying that original game needs to be a casual game, I am pointing out to you that some of Nintendo's biggest recent successes have come from original games.

The problem with old franchises is that most know them and/or have made up their minds about them.

Plain white bread with a variety of spreads does not change the fact that the bread is still plain white bread. Most gamers are tired of plain white bread and would like a change in bread with the variety of spreads. No one can continue making games based of the same couple of IP and expect the masses not to get bored. Quality is irrelevant. People simply want something different and not simply a change in spread.

Fact:- The formula is NOT working. Knack, a generic game old sold Mario.

You are also implying that Nintendo can ONLY make a generic character as an alternative. I guess that proves that creative characters are out of Nintendo's scope.

You are free to pretend that their strategy and staleness still has appeal to the masses but the reality is that it isn't. Even Disney has updated their formula.

The mere fact that we can mention a game like Knack outselling Mario should be a rather clear indicator that there is a problem. Nintendo doesn't need to create a new icon in the same manner Disney does not need to create a new icon but Disney releases NEW stuff. You don't see Mickey Tangled, Mickey Frozen, Mickey and the Frog and Mickeyficent.

Mario and Zelda names don't hold the weight it used to but Nintendo keeps pushing the IP like crack and it is degrading the worth of the IP by this continuous and regular whoring. Yes, the games are quality but quality sameness. You might be satisfied with the same crappy storyline and the same characters in every game year after year, console after console but the rest of us would like some variety and not additions to the same game with the same characters. I don't know how you are unable to see this problem. The Wii succeeded because of the motion control gimmick and not because of the stale IP that Nintendo continuously recycles. Now the gimmick is gone and all is left is the same old recycled IP we have come to know and be bored off. If you believe that Zelda, Mario and Donkey Kong is all that is needed once the games are "quality" games then there is no real point to this discussion.

Metroid Other M is at the top of its genre? Fans of Guacamelee and Shadow Complex would probably disagree though of course tastes are subjective.

There was nothing wrong with Other M. Shadow Complex was solid but Guacamelee is stupid. Idk why people like that game so much. Besides, Metroid doesn't even have a dedicated genre anymore. You can't compare Other M to Shadow Complex.

Most new systems sell well when they came out, lets see the numbers after the holidays this year.