Shots fired. Sony to MS: 'Yoga isn't gaming'. 'Jump Out.'

Sony running ads marketing PS4's 2/20 meeting.

From gaf: 

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Funny coming from a company that has just as many BS fitness games. 

But this shows they are likely going to focus on core games in this meeting so this is always a good sign. Let the console wars begin!

MS emphasized Kinect way more this gen than Sony emphasized Move. So I'm guessing Kinect has more fitness games.

Anyway all the rumors so far point to MS digging themselves a hole. I have to honestly wonder what they are thinking. Then again after RROD and Kinect maybe now they think people will buy anything they make so long as their marketing is forceful enough.

MS emphasized Kinect way more this gen than Sony emphasized Move. So I'm guessing Kinect has more fitness games.

Anyway all the rumors so far point to MS digging themselves a hole. I have to honestly wonder what they are thinking. Then again after RROD and Kinect maybe now they think people will buy anything they make so long as their marketing is forceful enough.

final_lap

Interesting that Microsoft has the time to talk shlt, but apparently has a case of dry mouth when it comes to all the talk about their system banning used games and forcing Kinect on everyone. 

This also doesn't seem like a cool, confident little bit of trash talk, but nervous resentment. We'll see soon!

Interesting that Microsoft has the time to talk shlt, but apparently has a case of dry mouth when it comes to all the talk about their system banning used games and forcing Kinect on everyone. 

This also doesn't seem like a cool, confident little bit of trash talk, but nervous resentment. We'll see soon!

Shame-usBlackley

Sony to MS, not MS to Sony.

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Interesting that Microsoft has the time to talk shlt, but apparently has a case of dry mouth when it comes to all the talk about their system banning used games and forcing Kinect on everyone. 

This also doesn't seem like a cool, confident little bit of trash talk, but nervous resentment. We'll see soon!

S0lidSnake

Sony to MS, not MS to Sony.

MS to Sony:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-majority-of-consumers-wont-know-about-playstation-4-announcement-6403894

I should have clarified that I view Sony's remark as a response to Microsoft's earlier remark that no one would care or notice about the PS4 announcement, and how people should stop wishing for something new and just be happy with what they have essentially.

I will say that the Sony statement seems to bolster the idea that conventional gaming will be in force for the unveil, but I get worried anytime anyone starts talking about "change,' because usually that involves asshattery of some sort.

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MS emphasized Kinect way more this gen than Sony emphasized Move. So I'm guessing Kinect has more fitness games.

Anyway all the rumors so far point to MS digging themselves a hole. I have to honestly wonder what they are thinking. Then again after RROD and Kinect maybe now they think people will buy anything they make so long as their marketing is forceful enough.

TwistedShade

The Move didn't put up the insane numbers the Kinect did, but 15 million units (which probably translates into about 7.5 million users) is nothing to sneeze at.

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[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

Interesting that Microsoft has the time to talk shlt, but apparently has a case of dry mouth when it comes to all the talk about their system banning used games and forcing Kinect on everyone. 

This also doesn't seem like a cool, confident little bit of trash talk, but nervous resentment. We'll see soon!

Shame-usBlackley

Sony to MS, not MS to Sony.

MS to Sony:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-majority-of-consumers-wont-know-about-playstation-4-announcement-6403894

I should have clarified that I view Sony's remark as a response to Microsoft's earlier remark that no one would care or notice about the PS4 announcement, and how people should stop wishing for something new and just be happy with what they have essentially.

Oh ok. 

Yeah I saw that. THey are kinda right in that only core gamers seem to know about this event. How many people do you personally know who know the PS4 is getting revealed in five days? EVERYONE knows when the next iPhone rehash is being shown for the first time. MS does know how to market and generate hype. They revealed the original Xbox on MTV and I have a feeling they will up themselves and have a one hour special on national primetime television. Sony's having their reveal on a live webcast during rush hour in NY. :P

Other than that, f*ck everything else that guy had to say. The more i think about how MS was due for a new console way back in 2011 the more I get upset. They have dragged this generation on for TWO f*cking years just to make some profit. Profit at the expense of the industry. F*cking shameful. You were right. Kinect really f*cked us over in ways we didnt even imagine.

Yoga isn't gaming, but its a profitable niche I don't see going away. Why buy an aerobics dvd which just kind of always plays the same video at the same speed when you can buy something which focuses on you and where you're at in terms of conditioning?

With Sony getting into it with MS like this, they are planning to blow minds on 2/20 :P.

Yoga isn't gaming, but its a profitable niche I don't see going away. Why buy an aerobics dvd which just kind of always plays the same video at the same speed when you can buy something which focuses on you and where you're at in terms of conditioning?

CarnageHeart

Well, it's anecdotal, but the gym my wife goes to has places to hold an iPad on top of the machines now and they even have a site you can log onto with your tablet that adjusts the workout based on level. I think that's really the issue... these casual consumers like my wife are not so easily gotten as one might think, and further, the video game market has done NOTHING to advertise to them. You can't sell yoga games if people who practice yoga don't know such a game exists. Also, the iPad (or tablets in general) are now cultural icons that have a higher awareness with those kinds of people than consoles ever will.

With Sony getting into it with MS like this, they are planning to blow minds on 2/20 :P.

CarnageHeart

Did you have any doubts? With the specs and the first party studios they have, I am expecting them to have an incredible conference. It's sony so it will be boring at times, but content wise we will see lots of awe-inspiring games. 

I need to freeze myself for five days. I just cant wait anymore!!!!

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With Sony getting into it with MS like this, they are planning to blow minds on 2/20 :P.

S0lidSnake

Did you have any doubts? With the specs and the first party studios they have, I am expecting them to have an incredible conference. It's sony so it will be boring at times, but content wise we will see lots of awe-inspiring games. 

I need to freeze myself for five days. I just cant wait anymore!!!!

Just please no magic book for 20 mins, PLEASE!

Oh ok. 

Yeah I saw that. THey are kinda right in that only core gamers seem to know about this event. How many people do you personally know who know the PS4 is getting revealed in five days? EVERYONE knows when the next iPhone rehash is being shown for the first time. MS does know how to market and generate hype. They revealed the original Xbox on MTV and I have a feeling they will up themselves and have a one hour special on national primetime television. Sony's having their reveal on a live webcast during rush hour in NY. :P

Other than that, f*ck everything else that guy had to say. The more i think about how MS was due for a new console way back in 2011 the more I get upset. They have dragged this generation on for TWO f*cking years just to make some profit. Profit at the expense of the industry. F*cking shameful. You were right. Kinect really f*cked us over in ways we didnt even imagine.

S0lidSnake

Core gamers are all that matters, at least at this point. We have to remember that the PS2 was a core gamer centered console and it did JUST FINE by catering to that base. In fact, that's the thing I think Sony realizes that Microsoft never really got. Sony has done this shlt before. They know a market exists out there where one machine can sell 120 million machines with core gamers. Microsoft doesn't have that confidence because they've never attained those kinds of numbers, so they have to try all kinds of lame voodoo and fvckery to try to get people on board with flail controllers and a bunch of apps. 

As for hype with Microsoft, I really don't know what there is to hype any more. Halo of course. Forza doesn't sell all that well. Gears may be a dead franchise now, we'll see. Alan Wake didn't sell all that great. Crackdown was pawned off to a team that ruined the sequel. If they want to get people hyped, they need to come out with some new material, because that cupboard is looking bare, and what is there is stale. 

Well let the 8th Generation Console wars begin. Yes Yoga isn't gaming. Jump off the top of the roof of Microsoft headquaters. Sony would be wise to retire the PSmove. As much as Kinect is useless for gaming. PSmove is just as bad. It is time to kill it off. If Sony were to focus soley on traditional videogames ditch the PSmove. Which is a copy of the Wii-mote Controller. Then Playstation 4 will easily win the 8th generation.

Sony will have to explain the new controller. Which seems very Wii U ish?

:lol: Well we'll just have to wait and see now won't we. I think they're jumping the gun here getting cocky right now, could end up biting them in the ass before anything official is shown from Microsoft.Archangel3371

Sony made PS move, so they aren't exactly innocent when it comes to jumping on the motion control bandwagon.

That being said I am interested to see what Sony will offer with the PS4, as well as Microsoft with the Xbox 720.

Oh snap

Now imagine if they actually didn't announce the PS4 at this event, but a Vita redesign. :lol:

F**king bring it, Sony

They have a tonof momentum, for them to botch this would be sad.

The hype behind 2/20 and the PS4 is incredible, so far Sony has been doing everything right leading up to the event...I really hope they can pull this off. 

i hope it will be goodThe_Last_Ride

The more i think about how MS was due for a new console way back in 2011 the more I get upset. They have dragged this generation on for TWO f*cking years just to make some profit. Profit at the expense of the industry. F*cking shameful. You were right. Kinect really f*cked us over in ways we didnt even imagine.

S0lidSnake

I got high hopes for the old Sony to come back and crush the Xbox brand.  Shouldn't be hard Microsoft fell off a while agolol.

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The more i think about how MS was due for a new console way back in 2011 the more I get upset. They have dragged this generation on for TWO f*cking years just to make some profit. Profit at the expense of the industry. F*cking shameful. You were right. Kinect really f*cked us over in ways we didnt even imagine.

El_Zo1212o

I've been fine with the extended generation. There are still a ton of fun and interesting games hitting (think X-Com, Far Cry 3, Ni No Kuni, Journey and Left 4 Dead).

Its also worth keeping in mind that unlike the old days the future isn't teasing us from some other place. Arcades are dead and nobody makes console type games which seek to use the prodigious power of modern PCs so there is effect no one to show us what we're missing.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

The more i think about how MS was due for a new console way back in 2011 the more I get upset. They have dragged this generation on for TWO f*cking years just to make some profit. Profit at the expense of the industry. F*cking shameful. You were right. Kinect really f*cked us over in ways we didnt even imagine.

CarnageHeart

I've been fine with the extended generation. There are still a ton of fun and interesting games hitting (think X-Com, Far Cry 3, Ni No Kuni, Journey and Left 4 Dead).

Its also worth keeping in mind that unlike the old days the future isn't teasing us from some other place. Arcades are dead and nobody makes console type games which seek to use the prodigious power of modern PCs so there is effect no one to show us what we're missing.

Well, we've seen glimpses of the future in the demos for Star Wars 1313, Watchdogs, FF Agni's Philiosphy and MGS Ground Zeroes demo. And yes, we wont know what we are missing until ALL devs show us what their vision is. 

I dont blame you guys for being content with playing on inferior hardware. Hell, we have multiple Wii threads going on right now where Nintendo fans are defending nintendo putting out last gen hardware again and again. Sadly, it's a fact that the video game industry is one industry that needs an upgrade every five to six years or gaming gets left behind. Now the developers are forced to develop on hardware from 2005, and the end result is a safe, extremely boring and predictable array of sequels  that has resulted in the industry sales dropping heavily three years in a row. For any other industry, that would've been a wake up call, but here we had M$ being content to rake in profit for two years instead of actually moving the industry forward. Same goes for Sony, although they only delayed it for a year. But had they stuck with their original plan of releasing the PS4 in 2012, we would've seen God of War Acsension, The Last of Us and Beyond on the PS4. And as good as those games look right now, I can promise you their vision has been severely hampered by developing on this antique hardware. 

Lots of people are content with playing the same Halo 4, the same Gears of War, the same Assassin's Creed year after year. But those people are the reason why we are in 2013 and the only next gen console we have right now is the Wii U. 

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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I'd be content to go another two or three years with my 360. That's why I never had any problem with the Wii U being billed as "current gen and-a-half."S0lidSnake

I've been fine with the extended generation. There are still a ton of fun and interesting games hitting (think X-Com, Far Cry 3, Ni No Kuni, Journey and Left 4 Dead).

Its also worth keeping in mind that unlike the old days the future isn't teasing us from some other place. Arcades are dead and nobody makes console type games which seek to use the prodigious power of modern PCs so there is effect no one to show us what we're missing.

Well, we've seen glimpses of the future in the demos for Star Wars 1313, Watchdogs, FF Agni's Philiosphy and MGS Ground Zeroes demo. And yes, we wont know what we are missing until ALL devs show us what their vision is. 

I dont blame you guys for being content with playing on inferior hardware. Hell, we have multiple Wii threads going on right now where Nintendo fans are defending nintendo putting out last gen hardware again and again. Sadly, it's a fact that the video game industry is one industry that needs an upgrade every five to six years or gaming gets left behind. Now the developers are forced to develop on hardware from 2005, and the end result is a safe, extremely boring and predictable array of sequels  that has resulted in the industry sales dropping heavily three years in a row. For any other industry, that would've been a wake up call, but here we had M$ being content to rake in profit for two years instead of actually moving the industry forward. Same goes for Sony, although they only delayed it for a year. But had they stuck with their original plan of releasing the PS4 in 2012, we would've seen God of War Acsension, The Last of Us and Beyond on the PS4. And as good as those games look right now, I can promise you their vision has been severely hampered by developing on this antique hardware. 

Lots of people are content with playing the same Halo 4, the same Gears of War, the same Assassin's Creed year after year. But those people are the reason why we are in 2013 and the only next gen console we have right now is the Wii U. 

lol "Yoga isn't gaming"

"Yoga isn't gaming."

Neither are movies, Sony.

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[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

I've been fine with the extended generation. There are still a ton of fun and interesting games hitting (think X-Com, Far Cry 3, Ni No Kuni, Journey and The Walking Dead).

Its also worth keeping in mind that unlike the old days the future isn't teasing us from some other place. Arcades are dead and nobody makes console type games which seek to use the prodigious power of modern PCs so there is effect no one to show us what we're missing.

Shame-usBlackley

Well, we've seen glimpses of the future in the demos for Star Wars 1313, Watchdogs, FF Agni's Philiosphy and MGS Ground Zeroes demo. And yes, we wont know what we are missing until ALL devs show us what their vision is.

I dont blame you guys for being content with playing on inferior hardware. Hell, we have multiple Wii threads going on right now where Nintendo fans are defending nintendo putting out last gen hardware again and again. Sadly, it's a fact that the video game industry is one industry that needs an upgrade every five to six years or gaming gets left behind. Now the developers are forced to develop on hardware from 2005, and the end result is a safe, extremely boring and predictable array of sequels that has resulted in the industry sales dropping heavily three years in a row. For any other industry, that would've been a wake up call, but here we had M$ being content to rake in profit for two years instead of actually moving the industry forward. Same goes for Sony, although they only delayed it for a year. But had they stuck with their original plan of releasing the PS4 in 2012, we would've seen God of War Acsension, The Last of Us and Beyond on the PS4. And as good as those games look right now, I can promise you their vision has been severely hampered by developing on this antique hardware.

Lots of people are content with playing the same Halo 4, the same Gears of War, the same Assassin's Creed year after year. But those people are the reason why we are in 2013 and the only next gen console we have right now is the Wii U.

Because I've enjoyed games released in the past few years you're comparing me to Nintendo fans :P? X-com is a franchise that has been dead since the 90's. There was nothing safe or predicatable about its sequel. Neither Ni No Kuni nor The Walking Dead are sequels (nor was either of them 'safe'). I acknowledge that hardware power is a tide that lifts many boats (allowing for linear and radical improvement in game design) but static hardware isn't the reason for (the usual, perpetual) me-tooism that is the guiding philosophy of many games. Gamer conservatism and designer timidity are to blame for that. Yearly iterations of many popular non-sports franchises are a new reality which new hardware isn't going to change.

I am as excited about anyone about the new hardware as anyone because I recognize that technology is a rising tide that can lift all boats and that some designers will use the power given to them by new hardware in radical ways that enhance the game experience (even linear improvement to stuff like AI, level geometry, framerate, physics, special effects and enemy count will be quite cool) but as I've said to Nintendo defenders who stated with sincerity that they believe that new controllers will make for new games, at the end of the day, hardware only opens up possibilities. What matters most are people.

Throughout my almost 36 years of gaming most designers have been conservative. That won't change, though as always the industry will change and improve due to the linear improvements of the conservative designers, the radical improvements of the bold minority, and the willingness of conservatives designers to borrow successful concepts from the bold minority.

Well, we've seen glimpses of the future in the demos for Star Wars 1313, Watchdogs, FF Agni's Philiosphy and MGS Ground Zeroes demo. And yes, we wont know what we are missing until ALL devs show us what their vision is. 

I dont blame you guys for being content with playing on inferior hardware. Hell, we have multiple Wii threads going on right now where Nintendo fans are defending nintendo putting out last gen hardware again and again. Sadly, it's a fact that the video game industry is one industry that needs an upgrade every five to six years or gaming gets left behind. Now the developers are forced to develop on hardware from 2005, and the end result is a safe, extremely boring and predictable array of sequels  that has resulted in the industry sales dropping heavily three years in a row. For any other industry, that would've been a wake up call, but here we had M$ being content to rake in profit for two years instead of actually moving the industry forward. Same goes for Sony, although they only delayed it for a year. But had they stuck with their original plan of releasing the PS4 in 2012, we would've seen God of War Acsension, The Last of Us and Beyond on the PS4. And as good as those games look right now, I can promise you their vision has been severely hampered by developing on this antique hardware. 

Lots of people are content with playing the same Halo 4, the same Gears of War, the same Assassin's Creed year after year. But those people are the reason why we are in 2013 and the only next gen console we have right now is the Wii U. 

S0lidSnake

 This need you keep touting is not true and the extended generation is proof of the lack of need. Developers take a safe/extremely boring approach because of cost and not because they are working on older hardware. The newer hardware is a supped up netbook with a midrange graphics card. So in a nutshell we would have better looking games. Thats about it. Is that your innovation? Is that the great need you speak of? Is this improvement in graphics going to stimulate devs into taking risks instead of playing it safe? Hell no.

I do not mean to be a spoiled sport, but I am more concerned if this next-gen Playstation will even allow us to play used games.

I do not mean to be a spoiled sport, but I am more concerned if this next-gen Playstation will even allow us to play used games.

Helghast_Merc

Doesn't sound like there will be hardware based B/C though there might be 'streaming' B/C.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29354116/megaton-wallstreet-journal-reports-the-ps4-to-stream-ps3-games.-gaikai

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"]i hope it will be goodBranKetra