should great franchises end?

in film, even if the the series is great, it eventually must meet its finale.
so what about games, with games nowadays having more story, it makes sense for them to have an end.

however not all of these great franchises have ended, some are still going strong.

so my question is, do you think that, like with a film series, after a few sequels, should the franchises come to an end?

imo, i think that if the gameseries revolves around one major story, but each game has a chapter of the main storyline (MGS, gears, god of war) then its for the best that it eventually ends.

however for a game like uncharted, mario, ratchet, each game has its own story, theonly connection are the characters, i think these could continue for a long time.

what u think?

Mario and Sonic really need to retire. As much as I love crappy Sonic games and the endless Mario spin-offs, they've reached their limit and really need to be put out to pasture.

yeh i know what you mean about god of war, however they are also sayin that gow 3 may not be last in that universe, its just the end to kratos' story. i think that is too much, just finish the story you set out to tell and move onto the next great IP.damedude123

This industry excels at beating a dead horse. And then beating it some more. Preferrably on a yearly basis. I really, really wish developers would just end certain series. Honestly, I wish that sequels weren't a given for every even semi-successful game. Some games really shouldn't have sequels. Some series need to end. Manhunt 2 should never had happened, the original game was such a unique entity that it should have simply been left alone. I really hope that we never see The Warriors 2 or Bully 2. It's pointless. But there are plenty of series that shouldn't end. The Elder Scrolls and Grand Theft Auto, for example, introduce an entirely new gameworld, characters and storyline for every new title.

This industry excels at beating a dead horse. And then beating it some more. Preferrably on a yearly basis. I really, really wish developers would just end certain series. Honestly, I wish that sequels weren't a given for every even semi-successful game. Some games really shouldn't have sequels. Some series need to end. Manhunt 2 should never had happened, the original game was such a unique entity that it should have simply been left alone. I really hope that we never see The Warriors 2 or Bully 2. It's pointless. But there are plenty of series that shouldn't end. The Elder Scrolls and Grand Theft Auto, for example, introduce an entirely new gameworld, characters and storyline for every new title.

UpInFlames

should great franchises end? - Yes

Lord of the Rings ended and so did Star Wars, but the spinoffs they keeping making don't. Even if they maybe great games, the epic stories they are based off slowly crumble.

Ratchet, Spyro, Crash, Jak, Halo, etc have started with point A and finish with point B, not venture off into c,d,e,f,g,...

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This industry excels at beating a dead horse. And then beating it some more. Preferrably on a yearly basis. I really, really wish developers would just end certain series. Honestly, I wish that sequels weren't a given for every even semi-successful game. Some games really shouldn't have sequels. Some series need to end. Manhunt 2 should never had happened, the original game was such a unique entity that it should have simply been left alone. I really hope that we never see The Warriors 2 or Bully 2. It's pointless. But there are plenty of series that shouldn't end. The Elder Scrolls and Grand Theft Auto, for example, introduce an entirely new gameworld, characters and storyline for every new title.

muthsera666

Yeah it's a side-scrolling brawler. I loved the first Warriors game though.

I feel that great story arcs should end but great characters should persist. Take the Avatar cartoon for example. That cartoon was fantastic but you new pretty early on that the story was going to come to a definite end and when it eventually did so I was very pleased with it as a whole. However, I think it would be great to see the same characters in a new story. I feel the same way about certain video games. Halo and Gears of War are perfect examples. I don't think anything would be wrong with letteing the stories wrap up and be done with only to later on thrust the same characters in to a whole different story direction. As long as it's done well, I don't see any reason a good franchise can't last for a great deal of time.

Mario and Sonic really need to retire. As much as I love crappy Sonic games and the endless Mario spin-offs, they've reached their limit and really need to be put out to pasture.

Raikoh_

The thing is, Mario and Sonic are marketting tools, not just video game characters. Mario and Sonic appeal to kids, and if the kids like them, they are going to build a loyalty to them. If loyalty is established, sales are too.

And as a side note; Every single Mario game that has been put out, has actually been good, if not excellent. If you can keep making games based on Mario, and they're all so great, how could it have possibly reached its limit? Maybe if Mario was starting to get into a slump that dragged on for years, MAYBE, just MAYBE, the Mario we've known and loved since 1983, will finally R.I.P.

As for Sonic, kids love him. His ventures in the 3D world may not be great, but kids still love, play, and enjoy his games. It's only the adults that keep picking on him. Sure, once the kids grow up and see that 3D Sonic games aren't all that great, it will be too late. Because they would have already gotten your money, and will be getting more out of the generation that will be currently growing.

And as a side note; Every single Mario game that has been put out, has actually been good, if not excellent. If you can keep making games based on Mario, and they're all so great, how could it have possibly reached its limit? Maybe if Mario was starting to get into a slump that dragged on for years, MAYBE, just MAYBE, the Mario we've known and loved since 1983, will finally R.I.P.MadVybz

I think the idea is that some people are tired of seeing him. As a character, he isn't very advanced. A plumber jumping on turtles doesn't have the complexity or development of, say, a man waging war on the gods for the death of his family.

True, the Mario games have been fun/technically proficient, but there isn't the story to keep moving along.

If the franchise is getting worse with each release then yes.

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]And as a side note; Every single Mario game that has been put out, has actually been good, if not excellent. If you can keep making games based on Mario, and they're all so great, how could it have possibly reached its limit? Maybe if Mario was starting to get into a slump that dragged on for years, MAYBE, just MAYBE, the Mario we've known and loved since 1983, will finally R.I.P.muthsera666

I think the idea is that some people are tired of seeing him. As a character, he isn't very advanced. A plumber jumping on turtles doesn't have the complexity or development of, say, a man waging war on the gods for the death of his family.

True, the Mario games have been fun/technically proficient, but there isn't the story to keep moving along.

Once again, I see where you're coming from, but Mario is used primarily for targetting KIDS. And no kid is gonna care about story, character development, or whatever of that sort. Every gamer grew up with Mario, and everyone loved Mario, because of his simple yet effective charm. Like I said before, only the older gamers are picking on Mario and Sonic, but I don't see them dying any time soon, because the world's population is growing. And a growing population = more kids.

More kids = more easy targets for Nintendo.

Once again, I see where you're coming from, but Mario is used primarily for targetting KIDS. And no kid is gonna care about story, character development, or whatever of that sort. Every gamer grew up with Mario, and everyone loved Mario, because of his simple yet effective charm. Like I said before, only the older gamers are picking on Mario and Sonic, but I don't see them dying any time soon, because the world's population is growing. And a growing population = more kids.

More kids = more easy targets for Nintendo.

MadVybz

When I was a kid, I cared about story. I still do. Saying that it's okay to make a game without story because it's for kids doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Also, I never grew up with Mario, and I've never liked him. I've always found the idea of a hopping plumber to be nigh on ridiculous.

Games can and should be made for kids that have a decent story, or at least onethat makes sense.

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Once again, I see where you're coming from, but Mario is used primarily for targetting KIDS. And no kid is gonna care about story, character development, or whatever of that sort. Every gamer grew up with Mario, and everyone loved Mario, because of his simple yet effective charm. Like I said before, only the older gamers are picking on Mario and Sonic, but I don't see them dying any time soon, because the world's population is growing. And a growing population = more kids.

More kids = more easy targets for Nintendo.

muthsera666

When I was a kid, I cared about story. I still do. Saying that it's okay to make a game without story because it's for kids doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Also, I never grew up with Mario, and I've never liked him. I've always found the idea of a hopping plumber to be nigh on ridiculous.

Games can and should be made for kids that have a decent story, or at least onethat makes sense.

For one, that's your own personal situation.

For two, this a new generation. Kids are different from what you were when you were their age. Trust me, I've dealt with A LOT of kids in my only 15 years of living, and it's safe to say that the majority of kids DON'T care about in-depth story, because most of them have extremely short attention spans. And I'm talking about the 7 - 11 age range. By the time I was 11, I have already played through about 10 RPGs, knowing the stories of each one with incredible detail (yes, nerdy side is showing :P)

When I've asked almost every kid I've met on what they like to do, and they say they enjoy playing Mario, Sonic, and Halo. And of course, my next question would be if they even understand the story behind Halo, and every single one of them said "NO". The only thing they understand is that a gargantuan dude in a green space suit that barely talks, kills everything. And that's what they love about Halo. Being a 'badass' and not asking questions, or reading much text. Even cut-scenes aren't paid much mind to.

Same goes for Mario and Sonic. Kids just love them for their charm. May not be exactly for the same reasons as mine, or for any older gamer, but they love them nonetheless.