So deep you're gonna need boots!!

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#1 CalciumDust
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As much as I'd like to sound "deep" saying this, its just a thought i've come up with... About 5 years ago my father built a woodstrip canoe, you basically take these really long cedar strips and glue them togeather until you have a canoe. It's not rocket scinence, you just need to have patience. He spent hours/hours building that canoe. Which can be compared to the hours/hours I spend video gaming. (changing the subject) After you finish a particularly hard requirement in *insert favorite game here* you feel acomplished , like you've done something. However, most anyone outside the gaming community will look at your accomplishment and say it's just a waste of time. But, most anyone outside the wooodcrafting community would say that my dad's canoe is a really cool acomplishment even if they dont care about canoes or woodworking. What I am trying to say is... Video Games will not gain universal acceptance unless people will stop disdaining them, just because they don't physically exist, they ahve to stop being thought of as simply a time waster and more of as a hobby.

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#2 pyroguy305
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You've touched me in ways a pervert could not.

But really, you may have something there.

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#3 CalciumDust
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You've touched me in ways a pervert could not.

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#4 CalciumDust
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wow that made my day lol
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#5 Lionno
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its because there is a difference between the virtual and the tangible.
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#6 spideyredx
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The reason for this is, in a non-complicated way, is because people can relate to a canoe maker. Think about this, woodcrafters can appreciate a handcrafted wooden canoe because they know the work it takes to make one. Everyone else outside the woodcrafting world knows how fun it is to ride in a canoe as a hobby so they respect the creator. If a person never rode in a canoe, they are still familiar with the object and know its history through TV, conversation, or otherwise. For Video Game achievements to be recognised as such, they will have to be exposed to the world more.
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#7 Pythos77
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I used to build scale models and felt like I had achieved something when i finished one. Id usualy end up with a great looking little model airplane or boat or whatever....but then no one could touch it ordo anything other than look. they would sit on shelves gathering dust. My biggest gaming acomplishment was finishing GOW on god mode. and that took me a while. but there was nothing but a save game file left . :) Are these hobbies wasted time??? It depends on what other things you could have accomplished in a similar time. Maybe you could have learned to play an instrument or another language,homework, excercise,and what not.

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#8 Chaism
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I personally think It has a bit to do with prestige mixed with social institution's. In the way a carpenter is a role that people can see and use there items,also it is a hobby that can turn people some money. Rather they use it or not alot of times in western society alot of acceptance for what you do can come from how profitable what you do is. Even though some gamers do make money gaming how many parents do you think would be upset if there kids wanted to be pro gamers instead of say a steel worker. Even though the steel worker is more a trade and a job even when you talk hobbies people look at the overall resell value of your hobby.

The main problems of gaming of as a hobby when relating with others is people still see it as non profitable, As more and more gaming leagues spring up and it becomes a viable way to get income the more it will be a accomplishment as defeating a game on hard may seem to say your good enough for the pro's. Also this is not only with gaming I know quite a few closet artists as well as other closet hobbyists who do there hobby in secret for there own enjoyment knowing there skill is so low it wont turn a profit for there wares so others will think whats the the point spending the money for no return. Western society in general values wealth so in time gaming will be a hobby and maybe a full time job.

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#9 gameguy6700
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The thing with woodcrafting and models and things of that sort is that when you're done you have something to show off. People can look at that canoe and think to themselves "wow, I couldn't have done that". People can't look at your save file and stand in awe, much less understand that beating (insert game here) on its hardest difficulty is an achievement. Its basically a "what do you have to show for your effort?" type of thing. You'll notice this in arcades as well. Only the arcade junkies will recognize your achievement for getting the high score on Galaga. However, even passerby will stop and stare in awe at the guy getting a perfect score on DDR in its hardest mode. Its still the same thing: getting a high score, and to get to that point you had to put in a lot of time. Its just that with the DDR example even a person who's never picked up a controller in their life can acknowledge that they, infact, could not do what that person is currently doing. When they see a high score on a Pac-man machine though it just looks like a bunch of arbitrary numbers.
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i completed Resident Evil 2 Leon A in 58 minutes! that was the single greatest moment in my life
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#11 MutheSquirrel
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Surely his creation of the canoe would be comparable to the creation of the game, not the playing of it. The playing of the game would be compared to actually using the canoe.

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#12 CalciumDust
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i see what you are saying that it's just a saved game file, and single player game you can share with friends but any accomplishment on *insert favorite MMO here* can be shown off to millions of people
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#13 SleepyByte
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Here's a way to look at it and keep those boots handy. Come to think of it you might even need hip boots for this one

It's a performance not a craft.

Can you appreciate a guitarists work without hearing it preformed the same way you can a sculptors without seeing him shape it? Is the musicians work any less art? Of course that is a bit grandiose comparing gaming to music but the analogy is valid if you look at the game maker as the music writer and the game player as the musician playing the music.