So, who is REALLY at fault for all the sequels we have?

The gamers, for always wanting another sequel and never wanting to try a new IP or the publisher for not being risky enough to make a new IP, always going for the quick buck with a sequel? I know they're both at fault, but honestly, I can't really decide who is more at fault than the other. If I had to take a guess, I'd have to say the publisher. I think since they control the supply, they have the power to supply gamers with new IPs. I mean, Call of Duty would never have been so successful if it weren't for the first Call of Duty. I think gamers for the most part will recognize a publisher's pedigree and take a chance on their new game.

Well I want a sequel to Mirror's Edge.. so I guess I'll have to be one of the evil gamers. :P

The reality is.. publishers have to make money... and sequels make money.

welcome to the era of reboots, rehashes and sequels.

Humanity.:D

We demand something new and different, it comes out, we go "What the **** is this? This isn't the same thing I've seen/read/watched/etc. and have become used to!" Get it away from me!:cry:", then we buy sequels to the games that were lucky enough not to have the previous reaction...and then the process repeats.:D

I think whoever raves against sequels is in denial: no one wants to see their favorite series dieBlack_Knight_00

But what if the series gets worse and worse? Wouldn't that be the point where you wish for the series to die?

I wouldnt really call Sequals quick money (though Tales of Synphonia: Dawn of a new World was nothing but a way to make quick money). Because the dev still needs to think of a way to continue the story or tie in this story with the previous stories and a bunch of other stuff.

But anyway, I agree, sequals are made mostly because we the gamers want the sequal to happen (unless the previous game had a cliff hanger at the very end, then the dev has to make a sequal).

I'm never one to not buy a sequel just because it's a sequel. A lot of times sequels are significantly better than their predecessors...or in some cases it's not until a sequel that a franchise really starts to realize its true potential (like with Uncharted 2).

Consumers for acting like a bunch of drug addicts.

It is a long running tradition that good selling games get sequels. Not that there a huge change in the number of sequals this gen.

I say as long as there are improvments made over the previous, go crazy with sequels.

OK, it's not just this gen that we have a lot of sequels, last gen had a ton, and they make up a lot of my gaming library. I would like a 3rd game for The Suffering, that series had a lot of potential, and the 1st one was really good. The only sequel that really fell short for me this gen that I've played was Prince of Persia The Forgotten Sands. They pretty much streamlined it to death, especially since the 2nd one (my favorite) had pretty big world to explore it felt odd going to this one and seeing how restricted it was.

It's both, since developers make them and gamers buy them. I don't mind sequels as long as they aren't endless and the developers try out something creative with each one...

It's us, mostly. We keep on clamoring for them, after all, always wanting more from every exceptional release that comes our way. The developers are just meeting demand. Not their fault that sequels are hugely popular.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]I think whoever raves against sequels is in denial: no one wants to see their favorite series dieMetamania

But what if the series gets worse and worse? Wouldn't that be the point where you wish for the series to die?

Nah. Then you just start wishing for the series to redeem itself.

It's us, mostly. We keep on clamoring for them, after all, always wanting more from every exceptional release that comes our way. The developers are just meeting demand. Not their fault that sequels are hugely popular.

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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]I think whoever raves against sequels is in denial: no one wants to see their favorite series diec_rake

But what if the series gets worse and worse? Wouldn't that be the point where you wish for the series to die?

Nah. Then you just start wishing for the series to redeem itself.

I will have to agree with this. And people forget that a lot of new IP's suck.. although in a perfect world, we want new, awesome, IP's. Gawd, if The Witcher didn't continue on.. to TW2 and the inevitable TW3... I would be EXTREMELY disappointed. Sequels nowadays, will happen. Look at the Two Worlds series.. which I personally think should have died since the first one.. but the second one came out and some people liked it, some didn't.

If a series sucks enough, a sequel won't happen. If people are giving developers and publishers a reason to continue on with sequels by voting with their wallets, then they will continue to exist. Just don't buy it. It's as simple as that. There are plenty of games to choose from in so many different genres and subcategories that one shouldn't make it a big deal that a certain game shouldn't exist because they hate it with passion.

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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]I think whoever raves against sequels is in denial: no one wants to see their favorite series diec_rake

But what if the series gets worse and worse? Wouldn't that be the point where you wish for the series to die?

Nah. Then you just start wishing for the series to redeem itself.

[QUOTE="c_rake"][QUOTE="Metamania"]

But what if the series gets worse and worse? Wouldn't that be the point where you wish for the series to die?

Black_Knight_00

Nah. Then you just start wishing for the series to redeem itself.

Well, with Fable III, I knew that they were keeping the same weaknesses that were plaguing the first two games (easy combat, challenge overall not difficult, the interacting options being limited this time around, etc), but Fable III was actually DECENT. But I suppose you're right. It's like me with Final Fantasy and the hatred I have for it; the games get worse and worse, but I still have this small ounce of hope that Square will finally see the light and make a game in the series that's worthy of being called a Final Fantasy title for a change and not the atrocities we've been given today.

Unfortunately , having too many sequels depreciates the overall value of the game =.=

It's usually better to start up something new rather than dragging out something which was good to begin with and ends in a wreckage.
Some sequels tends to be better than their previous installments but dragging things out for too long destroys the plotline and the gameplay ( If it lacks improvements )

Still , some games are just as good no matter how long you drag it out - like... say... Mario? Megaman? Metroid? :P

The people who buy them. There are plenty of new IP's out there, I play a lot of them. They're GREAT games! But nobody buys them. Too busy peeing themselves over the latest tidbit of info. about some freakin' sequel that's barely any different than the last 10 games they played.

I blame the reviewers too. They're bigger fanboys of these franchises than your average gamer, they don't give a crap about other games, and their paychecks depend on the large amounts of advertising revenue they get from these "AAA" sequels.

We are all ultimately responsible for the high number of sequels out there. When we find a game that offers some good characters ,entertaining gameplay and an absorbing world we want to see more of it.

Well, for me I don't have a problem with sequels if there done right. For example, Uncharted 2,Super Mario Galaxy 2,No More Heroes 2,Infamous 2,Killzone 2,Portal 2,etc. Let's face it, these characters and stories can go far and one game is not always enough. But, when it comes to milking like COD thats when it goes too far. Obv, sequels are a thing for more money but if they improve on the game before what's the problem there? :P

Also, another thing I do enjoy is new IPs and do feel like we are missing them due to sequels. Look at games like Vanquish,Enslaved,and Muramasa the Demon Blade that are just forgotten about even though I loved all of them (regardless that I'm not too far into Enslaved)

I can't be at fault. I don't like most sequels (unless it's CoD, Pokemon, or Halo).

There is nothing new about sequels and there not a larger than normal number of sequels this gen.

Sequels come about from 3 groups:

Publishers: Want a reliable source of income - A high selling game is likely to have a high selling sequel.

Developers: Want reliable income too, but also want to develop stories, characters and, as software developers, the engine behind that game (e.g. DICE, Crytek).

Customers: Want something that's fun/engaging etc. What better than a sequel to something they already like?

The real question is: Who is at fault for all the bad sequels? The publisher looking for an easy return on a smaller investment, a developer ill-prepared to do anything different (or easily bought out) or customers for not expecting more?

• Gears of War
• Uncharted
• Infamous
• Bulletstorm
• Bayonetta
• Little Big Planet
• Mass Effect
• Dragon Age
• Blazeblue

Well I want a sequel to Mirror's Edge.. so I guess I'll have to be one of the evil gamers. :P

The reality is.. publishers have to make money... and sequels make money.

SteamedBennet

OK, it's not just this gen that we have a lot of sequels, last gen had a ton, and they make up a lot of my gaming library. I would like a 3rd game for The Suffering, that series had a lot of potential, and the 1st one was really good. The only sequel that really fell short for me this gen that I've played was Prince of Persia The Forgotten Sands. They pretty much streamlined it to death, especially since the 2nd one (my favorite) had pretty big world to explore it felt odd going to this one and seeing how restricted it was.

blueboxdoctor

There is absolutely nothing wrong with sequels.. but there is something wrong with crappy games that are standalone or sequel.Elann2008

It is pretty sad, and yes, we the consumers are to blame for it. I honestly don't think it'll change either unless the game industry crashes again or gamers reject rehashes, cloned sequels, and the like. No wonder I rarely play games from this gen :/

Are sequels considered to be a bad thing? meetroid8

Now with Stronghold 3 (the direct sequel to the original Stronghold) Firefly is working on this game, to make sure that this is the best Stronghold yet; its been in development for over a year and a half. They are close to announcing an offical release date; they announced the system requirements a few weeks a go.

It leads to stale boring games (Madden, Pokemon, Call of Duty, Tetris. to name a few.)Calvin079

Tetris?! Blasphemy! Tetris never gets old! Never. I mean, sure, it's circulation rate is a bit high (we really don't need twenty different versions of Tetris per platform), but the core gameplay never ceases to entertain.

[QUOTE="Calvin079"]It leads to stale boring games (Madden, Pokemon, Call of Duty, Tetris. to name a few.)c_rake

Tetris?! Blasphemy! Tetris never gets old! Never. I mean, sure, it's circulation rate is a bit high (we really don't need twenty different versions of Tetris per platform), but the core gameplay never ceases to entertain.

[QUOTE="Calvin079"]It leads to stale boring games (Madden, Pokemon, Call of Duty, Tetris. to name a few.)c_rake

Tetris?! Blasphemy! Tetris never gets old! Never. I mean, sure, it's circulation rate is a bit high (we really don't need twenty different versions of Tetris per platform), but the core gameplay never ceases to entertain.

consumer get what consumer buy

I don't really care if it's a new IP or a sequel, as long as it's a good game. But the reason sequels are made more often now is because it's a lesser risk, if the first sold well, so will the second one in most cases.

there isn't anything wrong with sequels as long as it's done right.

Sequels seam to more innovative than the new IP.

[QUOTE="Calvin079"]It leads to stale boring games (Madden, Pokemon, Call of Duty, Tetris. to name a few.)c_rake

Tetris?! Blasphemy! Tetris never gets old! Never. I mean, sure, it's circulation rate is a bit high (we really don't need twenty different versions of Tetris per platform), but the core gameplay never ceases to entertain.

Yeah, but the writing and plot were really ******.