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#1 Videshi
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I'm going to make this short and sweet.

I'm sick of seeing so many people reviewing games and giving them 10/10. I don't think you understand... 10/10 means the game isperfect. Flawless. Utterly sublime experience. You cannot think of a single flaw in the game. Playing the game made your life better, made your free time playing games better.

Look though the player reviews. Look at how many reviews say things like "A lot of bugs, but once you get around them it's a great game... 10/10". "There are some problems with the balancing, and the graphics aren't that great, but it's a lot of fun... 10/10".

If there's an issue with the game, don't give it 10/10.An issue is an imperfection. 10/10 is perfect.

You do the gaming community a disservice by rating an imperfect game as perfection. It artificially jacks up the game's score. Sit back, think about your experience. How great was it, really? A 7/10 score means a game is good. An 8/10 game is great. A 9/10 is fantastic...

Was it really...perfect?

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#2 IndianaPwns39
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10 doesn't necessarily mean perfect. Especially on Gamespot where a 10 translates to "Prime" meaning that it's the shining star of that genre or era. Most people understand that there's no such thing as a perfect game, or anything for that matter. Perfect is unattainable, 10/10 is not.

With that said, I do agree the extremes to which people use the scale are ridiculous. Way too many people rate games at 10/10 or 1/10.

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#3 Black_Knight_00
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1/10, worst thread ever
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#4 speedfreak48t5p
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1/10, worst thread everBlack_Knight_00
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#5 dagreenfish
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Clearly not everyone agrees with the OP's interpretation of the rating scale.
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#6 c_rakestraw  Moderator
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1/10, worst thread everBlack_Knight_00

Eh. It's a middling thread. I'd give it a 5/10.

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#7 Kevlar101
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As someone else here said..... a 10 does not mean perfect. It means that the game had issues (as all games do), but that these issues did not come near trumping the overall value of the game and did not hinder any of the great aspects of the game. THAT is a 10/10. Not perfection. And, someone else here said that people toss around "1/10s" and "10/10s" waaaay too much. which is why there is only one game that I have EVER given a 10.
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#8 Black_Knight_00
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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]1/10, worst thread everc_rake

Eh. It's a middling thread. I'd give it a 5/10.

3/10, not a penny more
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#9 Lulekani
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I'm going to make this short and sweet.

I'm sick of seeing so many people reviewing games and giving them 10/10. I don't think you understand... 10/10 means the game isperfect. Flawless. Utterly sublime experience. You cannot think of a single flaw in the game. Playing the game made your life better, made your free time playing games better.

Look though the player reviews. Look at how many reviews say things like "A lot of bugs, but once you get around them it's a great game... 10/10". "There are some problems with the balancing, and the graphics aren't that great, but it's a lot of fun... 10/10".

If there's an issue with the game, don't give it 10/10.An issue is an imperfection. 10/10 is perfect.

You do the gaming community a disservice by rating an imperfect game as perfection. It artificially jacks up the game's score. Sit back, think about your experience. How great was it, really? A 7/10 score means a game is good. An 8/10 game is great. A 9/10 is fantastic...

Was it really...perfect?

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#10 wis3boi
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if the scale only goes to 9, then that means 9 is perfect, we should not give 9s.

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#11 Rattlesnake_8
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Ratings mean nothing except to the individual.. someones 10 might be you 5, but your 10 might be someone elses 5. If someone thinks a game is a 10 then thats their opinion.
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No.
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#13 c_rakestraw  Moderator
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3/10, not a penny moreBlack_Knight_00

3.5/10. Final offer.

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#14 Kevlar101
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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]3/10, not a penny morec_rake

3.5/10. Final offer.

No, wait....... 3.5/10, and thats MY final offer.
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#15 Cloud_765
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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]1/10, worst thread everc_rake

Eh. It's a middling thread. I'd give it a 5/10.

Eh, I dunno, the story could've been better. The gameplay lacked any redeeming value. There was literally no music, and the characters weren't very endearing. The only thing it had going for it is that it was playable. Maybe a 3.5/10
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#16 Cloud_765
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[QUOTE="c_rake"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]3/10, not a penny moreKevlar101

3.5/10. Final offer.

No, wait....... 3.5/10, and thats MY final offer.

Dammit I didn't see you guys giving it a 3.5. :(
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#17 c_rakestraw  Moderator
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Dammit I didn't see you guys giving it a 3.5. :(Cloud_765

Well, you know what they say: great minds think alike.

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#18 TheSacredFlame
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Maybe it's perfect/prime in their eyes?

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#19 Cloud_765
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I only gave 4 games a 10. I've rated like 250+ games... Just putting out there. Many people on this site, I see go into two camps: one group will randomly rate games whatever, and their ratings are schizophrenic at best, giving many low and high scores. Then there's the other, down-to-earth group that give pretty agreeable scores to games most of the time with arguable differences since many people have different opinions. I do love checking peoples' ratings lists and comparing it to my own.
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#20 Black_Knight_00
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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]3/10, not a penny morec_rake

3.5/10. Final offer.

I refuse to settle
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#21 Namgis
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If I think it's perfect, then it's perfect. Prove me wrong. With facts to back up your argument.

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2.5/10

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#22 Legolas_Katarn
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10/10 means the game isperfect. Flawless. Utterly sublime experience. You cannot think of a single flaw in the game.

.....No, it doesn't/Thread

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#23 antiAntag0nist
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[QUOTE="c_rake"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]3/10, not a penny moreBlack_Knight_00

3.5/10. Final offer.

I refuse to settle

What about 3.2/10?
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#24 Kevlar101
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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="c_rake"]

3.5/10. Final offer.

antiAntag0nist
I refuse to settle

What about 3.2/10?

See, I vote for that rating system to return. it was more open for specifics.
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#25 PumpkinBoogie
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Ha, anal much, OP? :roll:

Who are you to tell others what ratings they should/shouldn't give?? If they feel a game was worthy of their time and it captivated them and left a lasting impression enough for them to warrant giving it a 10/10, what's it to you? (and for the record, I, too, have only given that to about 5 games that I have ever rated on here)

As others have stated (very well might I add), there is no such thing as 'perfection' and I think most gamers (and people in general in any consumer market) can tell the difference of such. Giving something a 10/10 doesn't necessarily mean that a game has to be absolutely perfect in all the things that it presents to the gamer/audience, but if it conveys and delievers above all else in a similar genre or even above many games (not of the same genre), in general--then I don't see anything wrong w/ someone giving it a 10/10. A game doesn't have to be of some super-graphical or mechanical aspects to be considered outstanding '10 worthy' experience. Do I have to agree w/ it? No. Do YOU have to agree w/ it? No. It's merely someone's opinion.

And while 'yes' there are some who frivously throw that rating number around like it's nothing, but I think most people can weed through the geniune opinions of ratings like that and those that aren't.

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#26 c_rakestraw  Moderator
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I refuse to settleBlack_Knight_00

All right, all right, all right -- fine. 3.1. Better?

See, I vote for that rating system to return. it was more open for specifics.Kevlar101

Eh. Too granular. Much prefer solid numbers. Much easier to work with.

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#27 strategyfn  Online
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10 doesn't necessarily mean perfect. Especially on Gamespot where a 10 translates to "Prime" meaning that it's the shining star of that genre or era. Most people understand that there's no such thing as a perfect game, or anything for that matter. Perfect is unattainable, 10/10 is not.

With that said, I do agree the extremes to which people use the scale are ridiculous. Way too many people rate games at 10/10 or 1/10.

IndianaPwns39

Well put, and Kevlar also put it well.

A game doesn't have to be perfect to get a 10/10. It could have a very minor flaw, but the majority of positives outweigh the negative. The only 10 I've given out was for Fallout: New Vegas. The game really impressed me, and gave me hours of fun. A negative for NV could be that there aren't enough different enemies, and it can be slightly boring at times. But the positives outweighed the negatives for me--I feel the game deserved a perfect score. Plus most people when they rate a game compare it to other games they have played.

Graphics, story, gameplay, and how much fun the game is, and so on usually come into play when I rate a game.

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#28 Kevlar101
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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]I refuse to settlec_rake

All right, all right, all right -- fine. 3.1. Better?

See, I vote for that rating system to return. it was more open for specifics.Kevlar101

Eh. Too granular. Much prefer solid numbers. Much easier to work with.

Ok, had to Google the word 'granular' lol How exactly was the old rating system grainy or appear to be grainy ???? :P
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#29 c_rakestraw  Moderator
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Ok, had to Google the word 'granular' lol How exactly was the old rating system grainy or appear to be grainy ???? :PKevlar101

Hm. Must have used the wrong word.

Anyways -- meant that the system was too specific. The difference between an 8.6 and an 8.7 is too invisble to try defining. Solid numbers at least carry weight. The 100-point system doesn't.

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#30 funsohng
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Stop giving numerical scores at all.
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#31 Kevlar101
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[QUOTE="Kevlar101"]Ok, had to Google the word 'granular' lol How exactly was the old rating system grainy or appear to be grainy ???? :Pc_rake

Hm. Must have used the wrong word.

Anyways -- meant that the system was too specific. The difference between an 8.6 and an 8.7 is too invisble to try defining. Solid numbers at least carry weight. The 100-point system doesn't.

You have a point, but I do find myself in many review situations where a 100-point system would have come in handy. Like, when (in my mind) an 8.5 feels too high but an 8 feels too low, I need some middle ground there.
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#32 Black_Knight_00
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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]I refuse to settlec_rake

All right, all right, all right -- fine. 3.1. Better?

Deal! 3.1 it is

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#33 IndianaPwns39
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[QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

10 doesn't necessarily mean perfect. Especially on Gamespot where a 10 translates to "Prime" meaning that it's the shining star of that genre or era. Most people understand that there's no such thing as a perfect game, or anything for that matter. Perfect is unattainable, 10/10 is not.

With that said, I do agree the extremes to which people use the scale are ridiculous. Way too many people rate games at 10/10 or 1/10.

strategyfn

Well put, and Kevlar also put it well.

A game doesn't have to be perfect to get a 10/10. It could have a very minor flaw, but the majority of positives outweigh the negative. The only 10 I've given out was for Fallout: New Vegas. The game really impressed me, and gave me hours of fun. A negative for NV could be that there aren't enough different enemies, and it can be slightly boring at times. But the positives outweighed the negatives for me--I feel the game deserved a perfect score. Plus most people when they rate a game compare it to other games they have played.

Graphics, story, gameplay, and how much fun the game is, and so on usually come into play when I rate a game.

That's the beauty of opinions. As much as I enjoyed New Vegas I couldn't rate it a 10/10 because of how freaking buggy it is.

I've given a few games a 10. Castlevania Symphony of the Night being the only one I can remember... Now I have to check my Gamespot ratings page :P

Oh, Metroid Prime was the only other one.

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#34 Namgis
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[QUOTE="c_rake"]

All right, all right, all right -- fine. 3.1. Better?Black_Knight_00

Deal! 3.1 it is

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#35 strategyfn  Online
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That's the beauty of opinions. As much as I enjoyed New Vegas I couldn't rate it a 10/10 because of how freaking buggy it is.

I've given a few games a 10. Castlevania Symphony of the Night being the only one I can remember... Now I have to check my Gamespot ratings page :P

Oh, Metroid Prime was the only other one.

IndianaPwns39

Guess I should have mentioned I played New Vegas Ultimate Edition on PC; I did not have any bugs. My game crashed maybe twice in 60 Hrs, so it is not even worth mentioning.

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#36 MetalDogGear
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Ok, let's stop giving games 10s

But if we're not gonna use 10, then we should abolish it and use a different scale.

1-9

But then we couldn't give games 9s, because that'd be perfect as well.

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#37 dkdk999
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So we should put all of our rating scales at the highest possible being one 9/10 because 10 is impossible ? Why not then just say 6/9 or whatever since that's the highest possible ?
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#38 IndianaPwns39
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[QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

That's the beauty of opinions. As much as I enjoyed New Vegas I couldn't rate it a 10/10 because of how freaking buggy it is.

I've given a few games a 10. Castlevania Symphony of the Night being the only one I can remember... Now I have to check my Gamespot ratings page :P

Oh, Metroid Prime was the only other one.

strategyfn

Guess I should have mentioned I played New Vegas Ultimate Edition on PC; I did not have any bugs. My game crashed maybe twice in 60 Hrs, so it is not even worth mentioning.

I really need to build a new PC. I'm sure mine could hand New Vegas right now but still... I need a new one :P

Anyway, I played it on PS3 and it had a lot of issues upon launch.

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#39 jsmoke03
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10 doesn't necessarily mean perfect. Especially on Gamespot where a 10 translates to "Prime" meaning that it's the shining star of that genre or era. Most people understand that there's no such thing as a perfect game, or anything for that matter. Perfect is unattainable, 10/10 is not.

With that said, I do agree the extremes to which people use the scale are ridiculous. Way too many people rate games at 10/10 or 1/10.

IndianaPwns39
it used to mean perfect....then gerstman changed it.....

I'm going to make this short and sweet.

I'm sick of seeing so many people reviewing games and giving them 10/10. I don't think you understand... 10/10 means the game isperfect. Flawless. Utterly sublime experience. You cannot think of a single flaw in the game. Playing the game made your life better, made your free time playing games better.

Look though the player reviews. Look at how many reviews say things like "A lot of bugs, but once you get around them it's a great game... 10/10". "There are some problems with the balancing, and the graphics aren't that great, but it's a lot of fun... 10/10".

If there's an issue with the game, don't give it 10/10.An issue is an imperfection. 10/10 is perfect.

You do the gaming community a disservice by rating an imperfect game as perfection. It artificially jacks up the game's score. Sit back, think about your experience. How great was it, really? A 7/10 score means a game is good. An 8/10 game is great. A 9/10 is fantastic...

Was it really...perfect?

Videshi
what people? gamespot doesn't give away 10's or 9's
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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="c_rake"]

All right, all right, all right -- fine. 3.1. Better?Namgis

Deal! 3.1 it is

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I give this thread a 10/10
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I give this thread a 10/10Allicrombie
Hey. We already agreed on 3.1, don't throw us off
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#44 IndianaPwns39
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[QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

10 doesn't necessarily mean perfect. Especially on Gamespot where a 10 translates to "Prime" meaning that it's the shining star of that genre or era. Most people understand that there's no such thing as a perfect game, or anything for that matter. Perfect is unattainable, 10/10 is not.

With that said, I do agree the extremes to which people use the scale are ridiculous. Way too many people rate games at 10/10 or 1/10.

jsmoke03

it used to mean perfect....then gerstman changed it.....

I'm going to make this short and sweet.

I'm sick of seeing so many people reviewing games and giving them 10/10. I don't think you understand... 10/10 means the game isperfect. Flawless. Utterly sublime experience. You cannot think of a single flaw in the game. Playing the game made your life better, made your free time playing games better.

Look though the player reviews. Look at how many reviews say things like "A lot of bugs, but once you get around them it's a great game... 10/10". "There are some problems with the balancing, and the graphics aren't that great, but it's a lot of fun... 10/10".

If there's an issue with the game, don't give it 10/10.An issue is an imperfection. 10/10 is perfect.

You do the gaming community a disservice by rating an imperfect game as perfection. It artificially jacks up the game's score. Sit back, think about your experience. How great was it, really? A 7/10 score means a game is good. An 8/10 game is great. A 9/10 is fantastic...

Was it really...perfect?

Videshi

what people? gamespot doesn't give away 10's or 9's

First point: Yeah, because he realized that isn't how point scales work and took a minor step in making gaming journalism a bit more credible. Be it the common 4/4 or 5/5 for music/movies or hell even 100% or an "A+" for grading papers it never has and never really will equal "perfection". That just isn't how grading scales work. Exceptional, outstanding, prime, but not perfect.

Second point: I'm pretty sure he meant the user scores.

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#45 ristactionjakso
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Well, Dragonquest 8 is a 10 in my view. Which means Prime here at GS. Not perfect.

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#46 hippiesanta
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1/10, worst thread everBlack_Knight_00
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#48 DraugenCP
Member since 2006 • 8486 Posts

I'm going to make this short and sweet.Videshi


But you made it long and sour. :(

There can be a lot of debate on what defines a 10/10. It isn't necessarily complete perfection, as it isn't like we're rating high school essays here.

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#49 jcopp72
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You might have a rightfull gripe that people give it out too much but I do not agree with your definition of 10/10, 10/10 does not mean perfect, (not that I give 10/10 all the time) 10/10 to me means the best for of what I like in a game. Like when GTA 3 came out, it was the best game that I have ever played. (my opinion not anyone elses) so I gave it a 10/10.
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#50 Treflis
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The rating system frankly don't mean jack as it varies depending on each individual's taste. What some might rate a 4/10 someone else might rate a 8/10, so it's quite pointless.