Taking the Industry Back

So, there was a time when the games industry was OURS, the gamers. We picked the games we wanted to see. Things were on our terms. The market was fair to both us and the producers.

Recently, I've noticed that the producers have been ruling this industry with an iron fist. We don't get much input on anything anymore. It seems like it's been their way or the high way.

Some examples of ways gamers are getting the bad end of the stick:

Online DRM.

DLC that should be a part of the vanilla game.

Paying for multiplayer.

Half-finished games being released.

Games we want to see being delayed to make money off of spin-offs and side stories.

Loved franchises being shamelessly milked.

and many more.

My point here is that we need to take the industry back. We need to get things back on our terms. If you guys will support this, we can make this one heck of a movement. The first step would be to figure out a battle plan. Who's with me?

So, there was a time when the games industry was OURS, the gamers. We picked the games we wanted to see. Things were on our terms. The market was fair to both us and the producers.

Recently, I've noticed that the producers have been ruling this industry with an iron fist. We don't get much input on anything anymore. It seems like it's been their way or the high way.

Some examples of ways gamers are getting the bad end of the stick:

Online DRM.

DLC that should be a part of the vanilla game.

Paying for multiplayer.

Half-finished games being released.

Games we want to see being delayed to make money off of spin-offs and side stories.

Loved franchises being shamelessly milked.

and many more.

 

My point here is that we need to take the industry back. We need to get things back on our terms. If you guys will support this, we can make this one heck of a movement. The first step would be to figure out a battle plan. Who's with me?

SeraphSin

Your right but that will be a EPIC job.

My point here is that as a group we can figure out what to do. It would be stupid of me to come in just saying "Okay, here's my plan. THIS is what we're gonna do. It's definite." I brought it to you guys this way because I want your input. That being said, we can't take our industry back if you're going to be negative about it. You want to be treated fairly again, you have to put forth some effort and positivity.

The industry found a way to tap into gamers who don't care. So... the battle isn't with the the industry. It's with indifferent gamers. Find a way to brainwash them through subliminal broadcasting and there's your battle plan. JustPlainLucas

This is one of the worst threads I have ever seen on Gamespot

Not a good start for the TC

So, there was a time when the games industry was OURS, the gamers. We picked the games we wanted to see. Things were on our terms. The market was fair to both us and the producers.

SeraphSin

That never happened.

There have always been undiscerning gamers and shitty publishers. However, it's never been quite this bad on either end. There's no solution to it, however, save for perhaps a crash -- a fire that peels off the dead layers of forest to make way for the new. I believe such a thing is inevitable, and further -- close. Every day there is some bit of news that breaks that isn't good, and you can just feel that things are not right with the video game market. I don't hope for such a thing to happen, but it still doesn't change that I believe it to be inevitable. I do believe that when it resurfaces from the next crash, the industry will be healthy and vibrant again, possibly even more than at any time in its history.

[QUOTE="SeraphSin"]

So, there was a time when the games industry was OURS, the gamers. We picked the games we wanted to see. Things were on our terms. The market was fair to both us and the producers.

Jaysonguy

That never happened.

I'm afraid I have to agree, and I've been buying games for over 25 years.  I can understand the sentiment, though, and its easy to don the rose-tinted spectacles of nostalgia when looking back at the past.

[QUOTE="SeraphSin"]

So, there was a time when the games industry was OURS, the gamers. We picked the games we wanted to see. Things were on our terms. The market was fair to both us and the producers.

Jaysonguy

That never happened.

This is one of the worst threads I have ever seen on Gamespot Not a good start for the TC

This is one of the worst threads I have ever seen on Gamespot

Not a good start for the TC

JML897

I'd say it's in the top 5, it's hard to make a thread worse than Mastershake,loosingends and a few other people from System Wars.

So, there was a time when the games industry was OURS, the gamers. We picked the games we wanted to see. Things were on our terms. The market was fair to both us and the producers.

Recently, I've noticed that the producers have been ruling this industry with an iron fist. We don't get much input on anything anymore. It seems like it's been their way or the high way.

Some examples of ways gamers are getting the bad end of the stick:

Online DRM.

DLC that should be a part of the vanilla game.

Paying for multiplayer.

Half-finished games being released.

Games we want to see being delayed to make money off of spin-offs and side stories.

Loved franchises being shamelessly milked.

and many more.

 

My point here is that we need to take the industry back. We need to get things back on our terms. If you guys will support this, we can make this one heck of a movement. The first step would be to figure out a battle plan. Who's with me?

SeraphSin

[QUOTE="JML897"]

This is one of the worst threads I have ever seen on Gamespot

Not a good start for the TC

Ballroompirate

I'd say it's in the top 5, it's hard to make a thread worse than Mastershake,loosingends and a few other people from System Wars.

:lol:

Take the industry back from... the people who literally make the industry?

Hmmm....

I dunno....maybe we just ask Adam Orth? :D

There's nothing we can do. The video game industry belongs to the legions of casuals. Even forums like this are infested with these idiotic tumors on our once great hobby.

Look at Skyrim. By a wide margin the worst game in the series, but it sold 14 million copies because instead of making a deep RPG they made a bad action game for casuals. Modern players don't care about depth, challenge, writing, or anything that might make for a decent game. Modern players just care about big action setpieces and being held by the hand through everything.

And that's not ever going to change because actual gamers are now a minority. Why play an actual video game when you could play a casual idiot-proof theme park ride like Bioshock Infinite? As long as you show them a colorful spectacle they won't care how bad the gameplay is.

There's nothing we can do. The video game industry belongs to the legions of casuals. Even forums like this are infested with these idiotic tumors on our once great hobby.

Look at Skyrim. By a wide margin the worst game in the series, but it sold 14 million copies because instead of making a deep RPG they made a bad action game for casuals. Modern players don't care about depth, challenge, writing, or anything that might make for a decent game. Modern players just care about big action setpieces and being held by the hand through everything.

And that's not ever going to change because actual gamers are now a minority. Why play an actual video game when you could play a casual idiot-proof theme park ride like Bioshock Infinite? As long as you show them a colorful spectacle they won't care how bad the gameplay is.

Big_Red_Button

You do realise that all of these casual gamers have every right to claim the hobby as their own and call themselves gamers just as you do right?

[QUOTE="Big_Red_Button"]

There's nothing we can do. The video game industry belongs to the legions of casuals. Even forums like this are infested with these idiotic tumors on our once great hobby.

Look at Skyrim. By a wide margin the worst game in the series, but it sold 14 million copies because instead of making a deep RPG they made a bad action game for casuals. Modern players don't care about depth, challenge, writing, or anything that might make for a decent game. Modern players just care about big action setpieces and being held by the hand through everything.

And that's not ever going to change because actual gamers are now a minority. Why play an actual video game when you could play a casual idiot-proof theme park ride like Bioshock Infinite? As long as you show them a colorful spectacle they won't care how bad the gameplay is.

_BlueDuck_

You do realise that all of these casual gamers have every right to claim the hobby as their own and call themselves gamers just as you do right?

Yes, and they will ruin everything they touch, like they have done to every other medium.

Why make good music when generic pop music makes more money?

Why make good movies when crappy CGI fests and dumb comedies make more money?

Why make a good TV show when bad reality TV is more popular and cheaper to produce?

Because appealing to the lowest common denominator ruins a culture.

But again, there's nothing I can do about it, because for every reasonable person like me there are fifty froth-mouthed ignorami who lap up crappy games and the things mentioned in the OP.

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

[QUOTE="Big_Red_Button"]

There's nothing we can do. The video game industry belongs to the legions of casuals. Even forums like this are infested with these idiotic tumors on our once great hobby.

Look at Skyrim. By a wide margin the worst game in the series, but it sold 14 million copies because instead of making a deep RPG they made a bad action game for casuals. Modern players don't care about depth, challenge, writing, or anything that might make for a decent game. Modern players just care about big action setpieces and being held by the hand through everything.

And that's not ever going to change because actual gamers are now a minority. Why play an actual video game when you could play a casual idiot-proof theme park ride like Bioshock Infinite? As long as you show them a colorful spectacle they won't care how bad the gameplay is.

Big_Red_Button

You do realise that all of these casual gamers have every right to claim the hobby as their own and call themselves gamers just as you do right?

Yes, and they will ruin everything they touch, like they have done to every other medium.

Why make good music when generic pop music makes more money?

Why make good movies when crappy CGI fests and dumb comedies make more money?

Why make a good TV show when bad reality TV is more popular and cheaper to produce?

Because appealing to the lowest common denominator ruins a culture.

But again, there's nothing I can do about it, because for every reasonable person like me there are fifty froth-mouthed ignorami who lap up crappy games and the things mentioned in the OP.

They are ruining the industry... for you. And as you said, you're in the large minority. So why do you feel the industry should rightfully be catering to you rather than every one else?

[QUOTE="Big_Red_Button"]

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

You do realise that all of these casual gamers have every right to claim the hobby as their own and call themselves gamers just as you do right?

_BlueDuck_

Yes, and they will ruin everything they touch, like they have done to every other medium.

Why make good music when generic pop music makes more money?

Why make good movies when crappy CGI fests and dumb comedies make more money?

Why make a good TV show when bad reality TV is more popular and cheaper to produce?

Because appealing to the lowest common denominator ruins a culture.

But again, there's nothing I can do about it, because for every reasonable person like me there are fifty froth-mouthed ignorami who lap up crappy games and the things mentioned in the OP.

They are ruining the industry... for you. And as you said, you're in the large minority. So why do you feel the industry should rightfully be catering to you rather than every one else?

I don't think they should, and it would be bad business to do that. Major publishers don't care about video games, they just care about what makes their shareholders happy, and that's how it has always worked.

I am, however, a hobbyist of video games, and it saddens me to see the industry take a turn for the bad. I grew up with video games, and seeing them become progressively dumber in the last ten years has been sort of heart breaking.

This is a forum where we discuss video games. You'd think that places like this would be a bastion for actual gamers, but no, it's just more casuals.

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

[QUOTE="Big_Red_Button"]

Yes, and they will ruin everything they touch, like they have done to every other medium.

Why make good music when generic pop music makes more money?

Why make good movies when crappy CGI fests and dumb comedies make more money?

Why make a good TV show when bad reality TV is more popular and cheaper to produce?

Because appealing to the lowest common denominator ruins a culture.

But again, there's nothing I can do about it, because for every reasonable person like me there are fifty froth-mouthed ignorami who lap up crappy games and the things mentioned in the OP.

Big_Red_Button

They are ruining the industry... for you. And as you said, you're in the large minority. So why do you feel the industry should rightfully be catering to you rather than every one else?

I don't think they should, and it would be bad business to do that. Major publishers don't care about video games, they just care about what makes their shareholders happy, and that's how it has always worked.

I am, however, a hobbyist of video games, and it saddens me to see the industry take a turn for the bad. I grew up with video games, and seeing them become progressively dumber in the last ten years has been sort of heart breaking.

This is a forum where we discuss video games. You'd think that places like this would be a bastion for actual gamers, but no, it's just more casuals.

There is no way to prove the major publishers do not care about video game. They need to make money to pay their employees and invest in the company. To put it in a more simple way, they have a moral obligation to make money.

The costs of creating games have gone up along with the standers of games. This mean if they want to sell for the high price then need to meet the new stander. The priced pay for games is chosen by those they buy the games. The costs of creating games have gone up, but the gamers refuse to pay more for games so the game publishers need to do something to meet the increase in the cost.

[QUOTE="Big_Red_Button"]

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

They are ruining the industry... for you. And as you said, you're in the large minority. So why do you feel the industry should rightfully be catering to you rather than every one else?

wiouds

I don't think they should, and it would be bad business to do that. Major publishers don't care about video games, they just care about what makes their shareholders happy, and that's how it has always worked.

I am, however, a hobbyist of video games, and it saddens me to see the industry take a turn for the bad. I grew up with video games, and seeing them become progressively dumber in the last ten years has been sort of heart breaking.

This is a forum where we discuss video games. You'd think that places like this would be a bastion for actual gamers, but no, it's just more casuals.

There is no way to prove the major publishers do not care about video game. They need to make money to pay their employees and invest in the company. To put it in a more simple way, they have a moral obligation to make money.

The costs of creating games have gone up along with the standers of games. This mean if they want to sell for the high price then need to meet the new stander. The priced pay for games is chosen by those they buy the games. The costs of creating games have gone up, but the gamers refuse to pay more for games so the game publishers need to do something to meet the increase in the cost.

You don't ACTUALLY think that the CEOs of EA or Activision give half a damn about the quality of their games, do you?

I guess society is pretty good at producing docile, naive consumers, but I didn't think they'd be so daft.

[QUOTE="wiouds"]

[QUOTE="Big_Red_Button"]

I don't think they should, and it would be bad business to do that. Major publishers don't care about video games, they just care about what makes their shareholders happy, and that's how it has always worked.

I am, however, a hobbyist of video games, and it saddens me to see the industry take a turn for the bad. I grew up with video games, and seeing them become progressively dumber in the last ten years has been sort of heart breaking.

This is a forum where we discuss video games. You'd think that places like this would be a bastion for actual gamers, but no, it's just more casuals.

Big_Red_Button

There is no way to prove the major publishers do not care about video game. They need to make money to pay their employees and invest in the company. To put it in a more simple way, they have a moral obligation to make money.

The costs of creating games have gone up along with the standers of games. This mean if they want to sell for the high price then need to meet the new stander. The priced pay for games is chosen by those they buy the games. The costs of creating games have gone up, but the gamers refuse to pay more for games so the game publishers need to do something to meet the increase in the cost.

You don't ACTUALLY think that the CEOs of EA or Activision give half a damn about the quality of their games, do you?

I guess society is pretty good at producing docile, naive consumers, but I didn't think they'd be so daft.

There is no proof they they do or don't.

Well good luck with that. However I'm having a great time gaming right now and will continue to do so by buying whatever I find to be of value to me. :)Archangel3371

Amen

It's so simple

I really gotta learn to not read so many negative threads at one time. I've spent the better part of this afternoon in a depressed/irate funk after skimming topics like this instead of working on important classwork like I should be. At this rate, those so-called casuals buying into every anti-consumer policy have more self-control than I do.

Where's that "Modern Gaming Sucks" thread when you need it?1PMrFister