That didn't take long, people blaming games for the shooting of a congresswoman.

I've been watching C-Span this morning, and already after the live briefing by FBI Director Robert Mueller and Sherrif Dupnik, I've heard at least two callers mention how this could be connected to videogames. With one of them saying "If you want to learn how to fly you play a flight simulator, and now we have simulators in these computer games for killing people and our children are playing them". Call me crazy, but I've fired a gun in real life, and firing a gun in those games was nothing like that at all. When does the ignorance ever stop? Why pretend it had everything to do with games and nothing to do with absolutely crazy lack of gun control in Arizona? Boggles my mind.

I've been watching C-Span this morning, and already after the live briefing by FBI Director Robert Mueller and Sherrif Dupnik, I've heard at least two callers mention how this could be connected to videogames. With one of them saying "If you want to learn how to fly you play a flight simulator, and now we have simulators in these computer games for killing people and our children are playing them". Call me crazy, but I've fired a gun in real life, and firing a gun in those games was nothing like that at all. When does the ignorance ever stop? Why pretend it had everything to do with games and nothing to do with absolutely crazy lack of gun control in Arizona? Boggles my mind.

AndromedasWake

I love the wild speculation claiming a Sarah Palin plot, Neoconfederate uprisings, KKK assassinations, etc. Videogames seem like the next choice in line after exhausting the usual suspects.

I guess they're not going to mention that he bought the firearm, two months prior to the shooting, legally in a sportwareshop in Tucson? I want to stress legally here because I know there's loads of american users here, who won't see the issue.

Isnt everything connected to video games these days

I've been watching C-Span this morning, and already after the live briefing by FBI Director Robert Mueller and Sherrif Dupnik, I've heard at least two callers mention how this could be connected to videogames. With one of them saying "If you want to learn how to fly you play a flight simulator, and now we have simulators in these computer games for killing people and our children are playing them". Call me crazy, but I've fired a gun in real life, and firing a gun in those games was nothing like that at all. When does the ignorance ever stop? Why pretend it had everything to do with games and nothing to do with absolutely crazy lack of gun control in Arizona? Boggles my mind.

AndromedasWake

Meh, I don't really pay much attention to all that. This "anti-game" moral outrage is going to die out, just like all the other "anti-everything else" moral outrages pertaining to pop culture.

A couple of people called in to a show and made stupid comments, that's barely worth noting.

[QUOTE="AndromedasWake"]

I've been watching C-Span this morning, and already after the live briefing by FBI Director Robert Mueller and Sherrif Dupnik, I've heard at least two callers mention how this could be connected to videogames. With one of them saying "If you want to learn how to fly you play a flight simulator, and now we have simulators in these computer games for killing people and our children are playing them". Call me crazy, but I've fired a gun in real life, and firing a gun in those games was nothing like that at all. When does the ignorance ever stop? Why pretend it had everything to do with games and nothing to do with absolutely crazy lack of gun control in Arizona? Boggles my mind.

MrGeezer

Meh, I don't really pay much attention to all that. This "anti-game" moral outrage is going to die out, just like all the other "anti-everything else" moral outrages pertaining to pop culture.

A couple of people called in to a show and made stupid comments, that's barely worth noting.

Actually, I think that the people pulling the trigger on a gun kills people. Video games are also poor simulators of real life.

I'm disappointed. I figured people would at least wait a week out of respect to use this incident as a political football.

All we need now is Westerboro bapdist church mocking the victims.Robbazking

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/09/westboro-baptist-church-arizona_n_806319.html

you mean like this?

[QUOTE="AndromedasWake"]

I've been watching C-Span this morning, and already after the live briefing by FBI Director Robert Mueller and Sherrif Dupnik, I've heard at least two callers mention how this could be connected to videogames. With one of them saying "If you want to learn how to fly you play a flight simulator, and now we have simulators in these computer games for killing people and our children are playing them". Call me crazy, but I've fired a gun in real life, and firing a gun in those games was nothing like that at all. When does the ignorance ever stop? Why pretend it had everything to do with games and nothing to do with absolutely crazy lack of gun control in Arizona? Boggles my mind.

ShadowDeathX

Well I haven't heard anything mentioned about video games yet myself. I'd say the most likely culprit of all this is all the fearmongering and hateful rhetoric that permeats U.S. politics and the media these days. Some of the crazy things that spew forth from people like Glenn Beck and Fox News is simply obscene.Archangel3371

Just so you know, Fox News reported that the shooter made anti-government rantings on YouTube and tried to join an anti-government extremist group. I didn't hear anybody on Fox trying to take a political side on this. Then again, I don't watch the news too much. The media is stupid these days, especially MSNBC, and some people on Fox News.

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Well I haven't heard anything mentioned about video games yet myself. I'd say the most likely culprit of all this is all the fearmongering and hateful rhetoric that permeats U.S. politics and the media these days. Some of the crazy things that spew forth from people like Glenn Beck and Fox News is simply obscene.ChaoticThief

Just so you know, Fox News reported that the shooter made anti-government rantings on YouTube and tried to join an anti-government extremist group. I didn't hear anybody on Fox trying to take a political side on this. Then again, I don't watch the news too much. The media is stupid these days, especially MSNBC, and some people on Fox News.

Just so you know (again), I am an average citizen. I'm not anti-government or anti-religion or anything like that.

Well I haven't heard anything mentioned about video games yet myself. I'd say the most likely culprit of all this is all the fearmongering and hateful rhetoric that permeats U.S. politics and the media these days. Some of the crazy things that spew forth from people like Glenn Beck and Fox News is simply obscene.Archangel3371

Seriously? Sometimes I think that most people just see the msnbc clips of Beck and assume he's a total nutjob because of a few shots taken out of context. Try watching a whole show once and you will see that he is only partially insane.

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Well I haven't heard anything mentioned about video games yet myself. I'd say the most likely culprit of all this is all the fearmongering and hateful rhetoric that permeats U.S. politics and the media these days. Some of the crazy things that spew forth from people like Glenn Beck and Fox News is simply obscene.ChaoticThief

Just so you know, Fox News reported that the shooter made anti-government rantings on YouTube and tried to join an anti-government extremist group. I didn't hear anybody on Fox trying to take a political side on this. Then again, I don't watch the news too much. The media is stupid these days, especially MSNBC, and some people on Fox News.

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Well I haven't heard anything mentioned about video games yet myself. I'd say the most likely culprit of all this is all the fearmongering and hateful rhetoric that permeats U.S. politics and the media these days. Some of the crazy things that spew forth from people like Glenn Beck and Fox News is simply obscene.bachilders

Seriously? Sometimes I think that most people just see the msnbc clips of Beck and assume he's a total nutjob because of a few shots taken out of context. Try watching a whole show once and you will see that he is only partially insane.

[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"]

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Well I haven't heard anything mentioned about video games yet myself. I'd say the most likely culprit of all this is all the fearmongering and hateful rhetoric that permeats U.S. politics and the media these days. Some of the crazy things that spew forth from people like Glenn Beck and Fox News is simply obscene.Archangel3371

Just so you know, Fox News reported that the shooter made anti-government rantings on YouTube and tried to join an anti-government extremist group. I didn't hear anybody on Fox trying to take a political side on this. Then again, I don't watch the news too much. The media is stupid these days, especially MSNBC, and some people on Fox News.

Oh ok.

I game, therefore I assassinate.

Well I haven't heard anything mentioned about video games yet myself. I'd say the most likely culprit of all this is all the fearmongering and hateful rhetoric that permeats U.S. politics and the media these days. Some of the crazy things that spew forth from people like Glenn Beck and Fox News is simply obscene.Archangel3371

Seriously? Sometimes I think that most people just see the msnbc clips of Beck and assume he's a total nutjob because of a few shots taken out of context. Try watching a whole show once and you will see that he is only partially insane.bachilders

Wait. Being partially insane makes him credible? :?

That was just too easy to resist. :P

Crazy or not, the man is not in any way unbiased, and that is my main complaint. I want journalists to tell me facts, and he tells me opinions, so I don't listen to him.

[QUOTE="bachilders"]

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Well I haven't heard anything mentioned about video games yet myself. I'd say the most likely culprit of all this is all the fearmongering and hateful rhetoric that permeats U.S. politics and the media these days. Some of the crazy things that spew forth from people like Glenn Beck and Fox News is simply obscene.Archangel3371

Seriously? Sometimes I think that most people just see the msnbc clips of Beck and assume he's a total nutjob because of a few shots taken out of context. Try watching a whole show once and you will see that he is only partially insane.

This dude got booted from college and was told he couldn't return without a full psych evaluation, he'd been arrested, and his YouTube page sounded like it was an infomercial cross-collaboration between Charles Manson and a Goldline agent. It was obvious dude had issues well before he started shooting people, and that's the real tragedy if you ask me. Shame-usBlackley

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"][QUOTE="bachilders"]

Seriously? Sometimes I think that most people just see the msnbc clips of Beck and assume he's a total nutjob because of a few shots taken out of context. Try watching a whole show once and you will see that he is only partially insane.

Shame-usBlackley

Well it's not that I particularily care about Glenn Beck per say as I don't actively seek out his shows or anything but I do watch various news programs to keep up with as much news info on the world's going-ons in general. I just like to keep informed on stuff that goes on in the world outside of my country though. I responded in another post that I didn't intend to only single out certain people but honestly he is the one I hear and see the most amount of crazy from so he is the one who first springs to mind when such a topic is broached.

I tried to watch some s*** on Parliament when I was in England, and besides nearly dying of boredom, I realized what a giant waste of time it was seeing as they could implement the lamest s*** in the world and it wouldn't have any effect on me.Shame-usBlackley

I actually really enjoy watching coverage of Parliament on Cspan, English and Canadian, when they come up. Bit of a political junkie. :D

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"][QUOTE="Archangel3371"]No thanks, I even find short clips of him hard enough to handle. :PArchangel3371

Well it's not that I particularily care about Glenn Beck per say as I don't actively seek out his shows or anything but I do watch various news programs to keep up with as much news info on the world's going-ons in general. I just like to keep informed on stuff that goes on in the world outside of my country though. I responded in another post that I didn't intend to only single out certain people but honestly he is the one I hear and see the most amount of crazy from so he is the one who first springs to mind when such a topic is broached.

Is the shooter a nutjob? It most definitely looks that way. Regardless though I think that the rhetoric and fearmongering, on both sides btw, in both politics and the media has gotten so overboard with hate that it's time people took a step back and re-evaluated it. Judging from the reaction from the situation it seems like a whole bunch of other people feel the same. To me it seems such a bunch of inflammatory sensalistic nonsense.

There's a huge gulf between having a shouting match and blowing a bunch of people away. Dissent does not equate to violence.A classmate of the guy who shot Giffords describeshim as a hardcore liberal and political extremist -- are we to believe that either of those particular traits are to be condemned now? It's a very fine, fine line.....

It's also odd that you (and so many others) seem honed in on the rhetoric and fear-mongering now.... where were you during Bush's 8 years? Did you not see the signs of him dressed as Hitler and drinking blood by the unhinged Left? Do you not remember the madness over gas prices (which are now almost just as bad) being tied to his affiliation with Big Oil? Do you not remember every Hollywood event being used as a bully pulpit to smash the guy to pulp? Do you not remember Michael Moore (a big one on the nutjob list, and interestingly missing from yours) manipulating people with outright propagandistic film-making? Do you not remember books being written about his assassination? Do you remember the Left referring to him as a "war criminal"? Do you remember crazy leftists invading churches, spattering themselves with pig blood, and screaming anti-war diatribes during Sunday services?

I think Bush was a bad president and a huge mistake, but the diatribe under his two terms made the stuff Obama and Co. are enduring look like child's play.

And I have nothing against anyone trying to inform themselves of the world around them, so long as they are willing to look at the unfiltered picture.

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"][QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"] Why do Canadians care about Glenn Beck? The subject matter of his show is uniquely American. Not saying you can't but the thought crossed my mind that I don't even know of any Canadian political pundits, and I wouldn't care about them if I did. I mean, if what the guy rants and raves about doesn't affect you.... I just don't get why you'd want to watch ANY American political shows or pundits. I tried to watch some s*** on Parliament when I was in England, and besides nearly dying of boredom, I realized what a giant waste of time it was seeing as they could implement the lamest s*** in the world and it wouldn't have any effect on me. Although I do find it interesting that you talk about Beck and completely ignore nut jobs from the other side if the aisle like Olbermann and Mr. Ed on MSNBC, or Alan Grayson and Pelosi. On topic: crazy dude does crazy s***. what's surprising is how timid we all are to call a nut job out, and it's only after people are dead that we start seeing the signs. This dude got booted from college and was told he couldn't return without a full psych evaluation, he'd been arrested, and his YouTube page sounded like it was an infomercial cross-collaboration between Charles Manson and a Goldline agent. It was obvious dude had issues well before he started shooting people, and that's the real tragedy if you ask me. The gun wasn't the problem -- he could've taken more people out by driving a car into the crowd. The problem is that this young man snapped, pure and simple. and Glenn Beck, and guns, and video games, and whatever else had nothing to do with that.Shame-usBlackley

Well it's not that I particularily care about Glenn Beck per say as I don't actively seek out his shows or anything but I do watch various news programs to keep up with as much news info on the world's going-ons in general. I just like to keep informed on stuff that goes on in the world outside of my country though. I responded in another post that I didn't intend to only single out certain people but honestly he is the one I hear and see the most amount of crazy from so he is the one who first springs to mind when such a topic is broached.

Is the shooter a nutjob? It most definitely looks that way. Regardless though I think that the rhetoric and fearmongering, on both sides btw, in both politics and the media has gotten so overboard with hate that it's time people took a step back and re-evaluated it. Judging from the reaction from the situation it seems like a whole bunch of other people feel the same. To me it seems such a bunch of inflammatory sensalistic nonsense.

There's a huge gulf between having a shouting match and blowing a bunch of people away. Dissent does not equate to violence.A classmate of the guy who shot Giffords describeshim as a hardcore liberal and political extremist -- are we to believe that either of those particular traits are to be condemned now? It's a very fine, fine line.....

It's also odd that you (and so many others) seem honed in on the rhetoric and fear-mongering now.... where were you during Bush's 8 years? Did you not see the signs of him dressed as Hitler and drinking blood by the unhinged Left? Do you not remember the madness over gas prices (which are now almost just as bad) being tied to his affiliation with Big Oil? Do you not remember every Hollywood event being used as a bully pulpit to smash the guy to pulp? Do you not remember Michael Moore (a big one on the nutjob list, and interestingly missing from yours) manipulating people with outright propagandistic film-making? Do you not remember books being written about his assassination? Do you remember the Left referring to him as a "war criminal"? Do you remember crazy leftists invading churches, spattering themselves with pig blood, and screaming anti-war diatribes during Sunday services?

I think Bush was a bad president and a huge mistake, but the diatribe under his two terms made the stuff Obama and Co. are enduring look like child's play.

And I have nothing against anyone trying to inform themselves of the world around them, so long as they are willing to look at the unfiltered picture.

With Clinton, Bush 2 and now Obama there were groups of people who worked themselves up to a lather based off of elaborate fantasies (no I don't think its a recent phenomena, but I'm just focusing on guys who were president in the timeframe I was around and paying attention).

I think all of the presidents have had their good and bad points, but I don't think any of them woke up saying 'How can I **** up America today to better serve my secret masters?'which is a line of crap idiots like Beck and Olbermannspew. While I think that worldview is overly simplistic, I don't think it necessarily leads to murder (lots of Americans think that way, but we have precious few politically motivated attacks).

Moving on the the specific incident under discussion, I don't think anyone is to blame but the shooter. Adults are responsible for their own actions.

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"][QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"] Why do Canadians care about Glenn Beck? The subject matter of his show is uniquely American. Not saying you can't but the thought crossed my mind that I don't even know of any Canadian political pundits, and I wouldn't care about them if I did. I mean, if what the guy rants and raves about doesn't affect you.... I just don't get why you'd want to watch ANY American political shows or pundits. I tried to watch some s*** on Parliament when I was in England, and besides nearly dying of boredom, I realized what a giant waste of time it was seeing as they could implement the lamest s*** in the world and it wouldn't have any effect on me. Although I do find it interesting that you talk about Beck and completely ignore nut jobs from the other side if the aisle like Olbermann and Mr. Ed on MSNBC, or Alan Grayson and Pelosi. On topic: crazy dude does crazy s***. what's surprising is how timid we all are to call a nut job out, and it's only after people are dead that we start seeing the signs. This dude got booted from college and was told he couldn't return without a full psych evaluation, he'd been arrested, and his YouTube page sounded like it was an infomercial cross-collaboration between Charles Manson and a Goldline agent. It was obvious dude had issues well before he started shooting people, and that's the real tragedy if you ask me. The gun wasn't the problem -- he could've taken more people out by driving a car into the crowd. The problem is that this young man snapped, pure and simple. and Glenn Beck, and guns, and video games, and whatever else had nothing to do with that.Shame-usBlackley

Well it's not that I particularily care about Glenn Beck per say as I don't actively seek out his shows or anything but I do watch various news programs to keep up with as much news info on the world's going-ons in general. I just like to keep informed on stuff that goes on in the world outside of my country though. I responded in another post that I didn't intend to only single out certain people but honestly he is the one I hear and see the most amount of crazy from so he is the one who first springs to mind when such a topic is broached.

Is the shooter a nutjob? It most definitely looks that way. Regardless though I think that the rhetoric and fearmongering, on both sides btw, in both politics and the media has gotten so overboard with hate that it's time people took a step back and re-evaluated it. Judging from the reaction from the situation it seems like a whole bunch of other people feel the same. To me it seems such a bunch of inflammatory sensalistic nonsense.

There's a huge gulf between having a shouting match and blowing a bunch of people away. Dissent does not equate to violence.A classmate of the guy who shot Giffords describeshim as a hardcore liberal and political extremist -- are we to believe that either of those particular traits are to be condemned now? It's a very fine, fine line.....

It's also odd that you (and so many others) seem honed in on the rhetoric and fear-mongering now.... where were you during Bush's 8 years? Did you not see the signs of him dressed as Hitler and drinking blood by the unhinged Left? Do you not remember the madness over gas prices (which are now almost just as bad) being tied to his affiliation with Big Oil? Do you not remember every Hollywood event being used as a bully pulpit to smash the guy to pulp? Do you not remember Michael Moore (a big one on the nutjob list, and interestingly missing from yours) manipulating people with outright propagandistic film-making? Do you not remember books being written about his assassination? Do you remember the Left referring to him as a "war criminal"? Do you remember crazy leftists invading churches, spattering themselves with pig blood, and screaming anti-war diatribes during Sunday services?

I think Bush was a bad president and a huge mistake, but the diatribe under his two terms made the stuff Obama and Co. are enduring look like child's play.

And I have nothing against anyone trying to inform themselves of the world around them, so long as they are willing to look at the unfiltered picture.

Look I've already said that I thought the rhetoric and fear-mongering on BOTH SIDES is to blame and that I simply chose one name as an example because it's the first one that comes to mind because it's the one I simply hear the most of. This part of the discussion should be over.

It's just one person on the phone that has stated this video games claim so far, so I don't think it is anything to get worked up over just yet. I know online blogs are going crazy with this news and alot of conspiracy theories are being thrown around within the internet about the shooting, which I figured was gonna happen. Anyway, back on topic, this seems like history repeating itself. A mentaly troubled person starts shooting and rather than seeing why the person did it in the first place and aknowledge that the person was troubled and needed help, people start to point fingers at everything, including current popular media like video games. I think it may be because people find it easier to point fingers at others rather than to look within the problem. I don't mean to make people sound like they just think only one dimension, but that's how it seems to me with people sometimes.

A mentaly troubled person starts shooting and rather than seeing why the person did it in the first place and aknowledge that the person was troubled and needed help, people start to point fingers at everything, including current popular media like video games. I think it may be because people find it easier to point fingers at others rather than to look within the problem.Helghast_Merc

That's the sad thing. The focus in investigating this should be why it was considerably easier for a mentally very sick individual (sick in the sense he was psychologically ill, not in the sense he was twisted) to get hold of a gun than to get the help he needed. But once the focus shifts to that angle, then uncomfortable questions will start to be asked, and, even worse, it might spiral out of control into an expensive and possibly very embarrassing investigation of the state of psychiatric care in the region... it is easier to simplify the issues and throw out a commonly recognized scapegoat, like the hateful rhetoric and very aggressive tone from both sides of the political spectrum.

I game, therefore I assassinate.

Bladecutter56

Yeah, me too.

'Cause games are obviously evil. All the game companies make those games as mindcontrol. They're turning every gamer, every kid whoc canpick up a game controller and plays obliviously into their killing machines; their army of slasves. It's that easy. It's a known fact that every gamer is a psychotic lunatic, ready to snap at any second under the command of their evil bosses.

Seriously though, if a kid is that influenced by a video game, or movie, or whatever be the blame, then they have issues. If videogames were really the cause of murders etc. then we'd have a ton more deaths and chaos everywhere. Just about any teenage guy who can afford it plays violent videogames. So we'd have almost all the teenage guys going around on shooting sprees or punching random civilians, which isn't the case.

It's human nature to find something to blame. Humans always look for something to point a finger at, to accuse, to use as a scapegoat. Even gamers do it. "HAX!" "LAG!" "NOOBTUBE!" "OMG I SHOT YOU IN THE HEAD LIKE 9001 TIMES UNFAIR!" "Camper!" "Lucky nade, no skill" If you die, it's not your lack of skill. It's because someone else is using some kinda cheap 'noob' method, it's 'cause the internet sucks, it's cause they're cheating, it's 'cause of bad luck or a fluke, etc. Whenever you do good though the world has to freeze and applaud to you 'cause you're suddenly the king, the most skilled, a mastermind. Noway you're cheap or lucky. We're all self-centered like that.

For example, if that clerk at the sales counter was rude to you or confused, they're a ***** and purposely wanna ruin your day and everything about them is bad! If you ever mess up or are bad-tempered, it's 'cause of stress, oh that's not usually the way I act, I'm having a bad day. But what about the clerk? Oh no, they ain't having a bad day, they just hate you and they're out to get you.

I thought they were blaming Palin's "hit" map...oh well. You can try and play the real-life violence = videogames card, but all it really comes down to is bad parenting.

[QUOTE="Robbazking"]All we need now is Westerboro bapdist church mocking the victims.Ingenemployee

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/09/westboro-baptist-church-arizona_n_806319.html

you mean like this?

I'm just praying that the congresswoman makes it.

I've been watching C-Span this morning, and already after the live briefing by FBI Director Robert Mueller and Sherrif Dupnik, I've heard at least two callers mention how this could be connected to videogames. With one of them saying "If you want to learn how to fly you play a flight simulator, and now we have simulators in these computer games for killing people and our children are playing them". Call me crazy, but I've fired a gun in real life, and firing a gun in those games was nothing like that at all. When does the ignorance ever stop? Why pretend it had everything to do with games and nothing to do with absolutely crazy lack of gun control in Arizona? Boggles my mind.

AndromedasWake

Really pisses me off when people use the whole "children are learning to kill in games" but they fail to mention the fact that the PARENTS are letting them play the games in the first place...my point? blame the Parents who are ignorant of the rating system and what their kids are doing instead of tossing the blame on the games!

always hear some little rude child on mature online games cussing up a storm and tossing racial slurs left and right, games would have a better reputation if some parent accually did some parenting!

Really pisses me off when people use the whole "children are learning to kill in games" but they fail to mention the fact that the PARENTS are letting them play the games in the first place...WolfBlackRiver

I've seen plenty of examples of bad parenting at Gamestop where a kid is told he cannot buy a game because he is too young. Then he goes and gets his mom, and she comes in and gets mad at the employee, because she feels inconvenienced and just says "yeah yeah whatever just ring it up" while the employee is trying to explain the rating and the games content, ignoring him completely.AndromedasWake

[QUOTE="AndromedasWake"]I've seen plenty of examples of bad parenting at Gamestop where a kid is told he cannot buy a game because he is too young. Then he goes and gets his mom, and she comes in and gets mad at the employee, because she feels inconvenienced and just says "yeah yeah whatever just ring it up" while the employee is trying to explain the rating and the games content, ignoring him completely.ChiliDragon

people are that spoiled ? my mom woldent get me ANNY raited M games. the first MGS was the most "mature" game i ever played untill i hit 15

All we need now is Westerboro bapdist church mocking the victims.Robbazking

That show is good for one thing only and its the prank calls they get :P seriously look em up on you tube absolutely hilarious this blame on video games is getting old ye make good pointsadrunkirishman

Thank you very much for the prank call point. They are awesome...

Isnt everything connected to video games these days

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