The Life and Death of the Sega Saturn

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#1 TheRaiderNation
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Growing up as a kid, I always wanted a sega console. I had an NES, a SNES and when the next next generation of systems came out, I convinced my parents to get me a saturn for Xmas. When I got that system, I could not believe how great the graphics were. I felt like Iwas playingarcade quality games at home. My friends loved the saturn, and weplayed the hell out ofvirtua fighter 2,world series baseball, daytona usa and sega rally (Game over yeah!). Shortly after the Playstationcame out thought, the saturndeclined and the playstation took over.2 yearslater, Iwas picking upsaturn gameson a clearance rack / baragin bin with my birthday money.

I always felt the saturn was an underrated console at its time, sega didn't market the system right and 3rd party developers had trouble programinggames for the saturn. Asidefrom that, the saturn actually had some great games, andwas a blast to play.

Anyone else have a saturn growing up? What do you guys this of this system? What are your memories with the saturn? What are some of your favorite games?

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sega saturn was my favorite console of all time. the memorys of panzer dragoon saga,burning rangers,shining force3,&many others. 2me the sega saturn had the best old school rpg that i wish existed today.

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You don't hear much of the Saturn, btw what about the atari lynx. I never had that either.

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I like my retro games, but I don't rate the saturn. It seems to be in that awkard area of early gen of 3D games. Its a shame, because I think the dreamcast is awesome, and I still use my one now. I don't know if its true, but I heard that sega were in such a bad state after the saturn, that the dreamcast was doomed from the start.
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I can't even tell you how many hours I put into Virtual On back in the day....such a good game.

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When I was a kid my friend's older brother had a Saturn. That Saturn was well loved. She never could get past the 1st level of Bug Too! ...

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Many of you will probably laugh, but I really liked Clockwork Knight. It was a Mario-esque platformer with Donkey Kong Country-type graphics that was exclusive to the Saturn. The Capcom fighting games were far superior on Saturn than their PS1 counterparts. The Saturn version kept a lot more of the arcade qualities while the PS1 versions had to drop a lot of them to fit them on disc. I don't know why, but that's just the way it was. Stuff like X-Men: Children of the Atom, Marvel Super-Heroes, and X-Men vs. Street Fighter. Shinobi Legions is a fantastic game that should have gotten more credit than it has. The cutscenes are freaking awesome! It's like 70s exploitation gold! And the scenes are actually acted out by real life actors and costumes and stuff, AWESOME! The Panzer Dragoon games have aged a bit, but they're still a blast to play, and one of the best shooting games out there. When they came out, they were some of the most impressive games, graphically, for the time. And despite all the hate it garners, I really enjoyed Sonic 3D Blast. Yeah, it's not as good as it's Genesis predecessors (Sonic 1-3 and Sonic & Knuckles), but it's still a fun game. And the Saturn version is the best version. It adds cutscenes, and has a bunch of little extras throughout the levels that aren't found on the Genesis version. And finally, the crown jewel of Sega Saturn, IMO, is Darius Gaiden. What a fan-freaking-tastic space-ship shooter. So much fun, and so challenging at the same time. I can play that game over and over again. The only I think I like better in the genre is it's sequel that came out a few years later on PS1: G-Darius. Guardian Heroes is a great game too. But unlike most fans, I don't think it's the end all be all of beat-em up games. In fact, I believe it should have come out on the Genesis. It really was a waste of the Saturn's resources. But still a fun game.
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I will use this thread to talk about both the Saturn and the Dreamcast as they both suffered similar fates.

I enjoyed my Saturn. I played a number of good games on it and it could have bested the PS1. However, it could not compete with the incredible games Sony was coming out with from 1997 onwards though. IMO, the Saturn and the Dreamcast are overrated, and the reason being is that both consoles had the potential to be so much more than they were, but both consoles failed and realistically let us gamers down.

Sega has always been eager to launch their consoles and come out with the newest tech. Honestly, any of us who payed full retail on a Sega CD or 32X should have caught on to the theme much earlier than we did. The only reason I can even think as to why we all have a place for Sega in our hearts is that they were able to come out with great games in such a short amount of time, thus the unrealized potential. I loved the Genesis immensely, but as far as longevity and staying power it was all downhill from there.

The Saturn was great for fighters and that is the only department that bested the PS1 early on. The PS1 however still got the majority of the same fighting titles and they were not drastically worse off then the Saturn counterparts. The average/casual gamer would not have noticed much difference IMO. I know I will get flamed, but trust me I had both the Saturn and the PS1, and the Dreamcast and the PS2. The only year I preferred my Saturn was 96 and the only years I preferred the Dreamcast were obviously 99 and 2000. The Saturn deserves a bit more credit than it gets, and the Dreamcast does not deserve the excessive love it gets at all. If anything, buying both consoles on launch for the full price was a mistake I made on an economic standpoint when they were both 1/3rd the price 1.5 years after launch.The only thing that buying the consoles on launch did for me was made sure I did not miss a beat.

Don't get me wrong I immensely enjoed the short time that I had with these consoles. In both cases it almost felt like a summer fling that abruptly ended and when I knew that it was over so soon it was very very sad. I credit Sega with getting the ball rolling on online console gaming, but ultimately, both consoles were a letdown.

Standout titles I would reccomend to everyone who has not played them. (I will only list the U.S. releases that most are familiar with since I didn't know back then that I was missing out by not importing some of the Japanese gems such as Dracula X, Radiant Silvergun, Burning Rangers, and Grandia (Did Grandia get a U.S. Saturn release? I know PS1 got an english translation, but I dont remember Saturn getting one.)

Saturn:

Virtua Fighter 2

Fighting Vipers

Fighters Megamix

Dead or Alive

Die Hard Arcade

House of the Dead

Lunar 2: Eternal Blue

Virtua Cop 1 & 2

D

Metal Slug

Nights Into Dreams

Sega Rally Championship

Shinobi Legions

Super Puzzle Fighter

Xmen Vs. Street Fighter

Panzer Dragoon

Panzer Dragoon 2 ZWEI

Panzer Dragoon Saga

Dreamcast:

Jet Set Radio

Metropolis Street Racer

Crazy Taxi

Soul Calibur

Dead or Alive 2

Sonic Adventure

Sonic Adventure 2

Space Channel 5

Seaman

Shenmue

Skies of Arcadia

Powerstone

Virtua Tennis

MDK 2

Rayman

Samba Di Amigo

Grandia 2

House of the Dead 2

Marvel Vs. Capcom 2

Phantasy Star Online

Street Fighter 3: The Third Strike

Ikaruga

Zombie Revenge

D2

A solid list for sure, but think of what could have been...........

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i like the sega saturn..:D.. i just got one about a month ago, i dont have many games right now but im still trying to build my saturn collection... and BTW you were lucky to get your saturn games off the clearance rack:P

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BTW you were lucky to get your saturn games off the clearance rack:Pkingdavid562
Serioiusly, you were lucky. That is like the most expensive system to buy games for, on average. Of course you can get the crappy games for cheap, like any other system. But any game that's halfway decent will cost you at least $20 if not more nowadays. And for a legacy console, that's pricey.
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[QUOTE="kingdavid562"]BTW you were lucky to get your saturn games off the clearance rack:PEmerald_Warrior
Serioiusly, you were lucky. That is like the most expensive system to buy games for, on average. Of course you can get the crappy games for cheap, like any other system. But any game that's halfway decent will cost you at least $20 if not more nowadays. And for a legacy console, that's pricey.

We had a Sun's TV when they were still is business around that time. They used to clearance older games outall the time. I was able to pick up a few good games on their clearance rack. Mr. Bones (one of my favorite saturn games), Magic Carpet, Nascar 98, and Nights Xmas edition. Most of them were between 10 and 20 dollars.

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I will use this thread to talk about both the Saturn and the Dreamcast as they both suffered similar fates.

I enjoyed my Saturn. I played a number of good games on it and it could have bested the PS1. However, it could not compete with the incredible games Sony was coming out with from 1997 onwards though. IMO, the Saturn and the Dreamcast are overrated, and the reason being is that both consoles had the potential to be so much more than they were, but both consoles failed and realistically let us gamers down.

Sega has always been eager to launch their consoles and come out with the newest tech. Honestly, any of us who payed full retail on a Sega CD or 32X should have caught on to the theme much earlier than we did. The only reason I can even think as to why we all have a place for Sega in our hearts is that they were able to come out with great games in such a short amount of time, thus the unrealized potential. I loved the Genesis immensely, but as far as longevity and staying power it was all downhill from there.

The Saturn was great for fighters and that is the only department that bested the PS1 early on. The PS1 however still got the majority of the same fighting titles and they were not drastically worse off then the Saturn counterparts. The average/casual gamer would not have noticed much difference IMO. I know I will get flamed, but trust me I had both the Saturn and the PS1, and the Dreamcast and the PS2. The only year I preferred my Saturn was 96 and the only years I preferred the Dreamcast were obviously 99 and 2000. The Saturn deserves a bit more credit than it gets, and the Dreamcast does not deserve the excessive love it gets at all. If anything, buying both consoles on launch for the full price was a mistake I made on an economic standpoint when they were both 1/3rd the price 1.5 years after launch.The only thing that buying the consoles on launch did for me was made sure I did not miss a beat.

Don't get me wrong I immensely enjoed the short time that I had with these consoles. In both cases it almost felt like a summer fling that abruptly ended and when I knew that it was over so soon it was very very sad. I credit Sega with getting the ball rolling on online console gaming, but ultimately, both consoles were a letdown.

Standout titles I would reccomend to everyone who has not played them. (I will only list the U.S. releases that most are familiar with since I didn't know back then that I was missing out by not importing some of the Japanese gems such as Dracula X, Radiant Silvergun, Burning Rangers, and Grandia (Did Grandia get a U.S. Saturn release? I know PS1 got an english translation, but I dont remember Saturn getting one.)

Saturn:

Virtua Fighter 2

Fighting Vipers

Fighters Megamix

Dead or Alive

Die Hard Arcade

House of the Dead

Lunar 2: Eternal Blue

Virtua Cop 1 & 2

D

Metal Slug

Nights Into Dreams

Sega Rally Championship

Shinobi Legions

Super Puzzle Fighter

Xmen Vs. Street Fighter

Panzer Dragoon

Panzer Dragoon 2 ZWEI

Panzer Dragoon Saga

Dreamcast:

Jet Set Radio

Metropolis Street Racer

Crazy Taxi

Soul Calibur

Dead or Alive 2

Sonic Adventure

Sonic Adventure 2

Space Channel 5

Seaman

Shenmue

Skies of Arcadia

Powerstone

Virtua Tennis

MDK 2

Rayman

Samba Di Amigo

Grandia 2

House of the Dead 2

Marvel Vs. Capcom 2

Phantasy Star Online

Street Fighter 3: The Third Strike

Ikaruga

Zombie Revenge

D2

A solid list for sure, but think of what could have been...........

SNESMaster420

You bring up some great points about the dreamcast. I avoided the dreamcast because I was still upset sega gave up on the saturn so quick. I waited for the PS2 and made that my next console.

All of the games you listed are solid. The saturn had some amazing 2D shooters

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[QUOTE="SNESMaster420"]

I will use this thread to talk about both the Saturn and the Dreamcast as they both suffered similar fates.

I enjoyed my Saturn. I played a number of good games on it and it could have bested the PS1. However, it could not compete with the incredible games Sony was coming out with from 1997 onwards though. IMO, the Saturn and the Dreamcast are overrated, and the reason being is that both consoles had the potential to be so much more than they were, but both consoles failed and realistically let us gamers down.

Sega has always been eager to launch their consoles and come out with the newest tech. Honestly, any of us who payed full retail on a Sega CD or 32X should have caught on to the theme much earlier than we did. The only reason I can even think as to why we all have a place for Sega in our hearts is that they were able to come out with great games in such a short amount of time, thus the unrealized potential. I loved the Genesis immensely, but as far as longevity and staying power it was all downhill from there.

The Saturn was great for fighters and that is the only department that bested the PS1 early on. The PS1 however still got the majority of the same fighting titles and they were not drastically worse off then the Saturn counterparts. The average/casual gamer would not have noticed much difference IMO. I know I will get flamed, but trust me I had both the Saturn and the PS1, and the Dreamcast and the PS2. The only year I preferred my Saturn was 96 and the only years I preferred the Dreamcast were obviously 99 and 2000. The Saturn deserves a bit more credit than it gets, and the Dreamcast does not deserve the excessive love it gets at all. If anything, buying both consoles on launch for the full price was a mistake I made on an economic standpoint when they were both 1/3rd the price 1.5 years after launch.The only thing that buying the consoles on launch did for me was made sure I did not miss a beat.

Don't get me wrong I immensely enjoed the short time that I had with these consoles. In both cases it almost felt like a summer fling that abruptly ended and when I knew that it was over so soon it was very very sad. I credit Sega with getting the ball rolling on online console gaming, but ultimately, both consoles were a letdown.

Standout titles I would reccomend to everyone who has not played them. (I will only list the U.S. releases that most are familiar with since I didn't know back then that I was missing out by not importing some of the Japanese gems such as Dracula X, Radiant Silvergun, Burning Rangers, and Grandia (Did Grandia get a U.S. Saturn release? I know PS1 got an english translation, but I dont remember Saturn getting one.)

Saturn:

Virtua Fighter 2

Fighting Vipers

Fighters Megamix

Dead or Alive

Die Hard Arcade

House of the Dead

Lunar 2: Eternal Blue

Virtua Cop 1 & 2

D

Metal Slug

Nights Into Dreams

Sega Rally Championship

Shinobi Legions

Super Puzzle Fighter

Xmen Vs. Street Fighter

Panzer Dragoon

Panzer Dragoon 2 ZWEI

Panzer Dragoon Saga

Dreamcast:

Jet Set Radio

Metropolis Street Racer

Crazy Taxi

Soul Calibur

Dead or Alive 2

Sonic Adventure

Sonic Adventure 2

Space Channel 5

Seaman

Shenmue

Skies of Arcadia

Powerstone

Virtua Tennis

MDK 2

Rayman

Samba Di Amigo

Grandia 2

House of the Dead 2

Marvel Vs. Capcom 2

Phantasy Star Online

Street Fighter 3: The Third Strike

Ikaruga

Zombie Revenge

D2

A solid list for sure, but think of what could have been...........

TheRaiderNation

You bring up some great points about the dreamcast. I avoided the dreamcast because I was still upset sega gave up on the saturn so quick. I waited for the PS2 and made that my next console.

All of the games you listed are solid. The saturn had some amazing 2D shooters

I avoided the U.S. launch of the Saturn but a friend picked it up and we played the sh*t out of it. I remember playing Xmen: Children of the Atom and Datona USA all day long. I prefer the Japanese Saturn / software line-up. By far my #1 favorite console of all time. As for the Dreamcast, I received it as a present on the launch day and I was the happiest Sega fan and still am. I would recommend it anytime.
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[QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"]

[QUOTE="SNESMaster420"]

I will use this thread to talk about both the Saturn and the Dreamcast as they both suffered similar fates.

I enjoyed my Saturn. I played a number of good games on it and it could have bested the PS1. However, it could not compete with the incredible games Sony was coming out with from 1997 onwards though. IMO, the Saturn and the Dreamcast are overrated, and the reason being is that both consoles had the potential to be so much more than they were, but both consoles failed and realistically let us gamers down.

Sega has always been eager to launch their consoles and come out with the newest tech. Honestly, any of us who payed full retail on a Sega CD or 32X should have caught on to the theme much earlier than we did. The only reason I can even think as to why we all have a place for Sega in our hearts is that they were able to come out with great games in such a short amount of time, thus the unrealized potential. I loved the Genesis immensely, but as far as longevity and staying power it was all downhill from there.

The Saturn was great for fighters and that is the only department that bested the PS1 early on. The PS1 however still got the majority of the same fighting titles and they were not drastically worse off then the Saturn counterparts. The average/casual gamer would not have noticed much difference IMO. I know I will get flamed, but trust me I had both the Saturn and the PS1, and the Dreamcast and the PS2. The only year I preferred my Saturn was 96 and the only years I preferred the Dreamcast were obviously 99 and 2000. The Saturn deserves a bit more credit than it gets, and the Dreamcast does not deserve the excessive love it gets at all. If anything, buying both consoles on launch for the full price was a mistake I made on an economic standpoint when they were both 1/3rd the price 1.5 years after launch.The only thing that buying the consoles on launch did for me was made sure I did not miss a beat.

Don't get me wrong I immensely enjoed the short time that I had with these consoles. In both cases it almost felt like a summer fling that abruptly ended and when I knew that it was over so soon it was very very sad. I credit Sega with getting the ball rolling on online console gaming, but ultimately, both consoles were a letdown.

Standout titles I would reccomend to everyone who has not played them. (I will only list the U.S. releases that most are familiar with since I didn't know back then that I was missing out by not importing some of the Japanese gems such as Dracula X, Radiant Silvergun, Burning Rangers, and Grandia (Did Grandia get a U.S. Saturn release? I know PS1 got an english translation, but I dont remember Saturn getting one.)

Saturn:

Virtua Fighter 2

Fighting Vipers

Fighters Megamix

Dead or Alive

Die Hard Arcade

House of the Dead

Lunar 2: Eternal Blue

Virtua Cop 1 & 2

D

Metal Slug

Nights Into Dreams

Sega Rally Championship

Shinobi Legions

Super Puzzle Fighter

Xmen Vs. Street Fighter

Panzer Dragoon

Panzer Dragoon 2 ZWEI

Panzer Dragoon Saga

Dreamcast:

Jet Set Radio

Metropolis Street Racer

Crazy Taxi

Soul Calibur

Dead or Alive 2

Sonic Adventure

Sonic Adventure 2

Space Channel 5

Seaman

Shenmue

Skies of Arcadia

Powerstone

Virtua Tennis

MDK 2

Rayman

Samba Di Amigo

Grandia 2

House of the Dead 2

Marvel Vs. Capcom 2

Phantasy Star Online

Street Fighter 3: The Third Strike

Ikaruga

Zombie Revenge

D2

A solid list for sure, but think of what could have been...........

gokuofheaven

You bring up some great points about the dreamcast. I avoided the dreamcast because I was still upset sega gave up on the saturn so quick. I waited for the PS2 and made that my next console.

All of the games you listed are solid. The saturn had some amazing 2D shooters

I avoided the U.S. launch of the Saturn but a friend picked it up and we played the sh*t out of it. I remember playing Xmen: Children of the Atom and Datona USA all day long. I prefer the Japanese Saturn / software line-up. By far my #1 favorite console of all time. As for the Dreamcast, I received it as a present on the launch day and I was the happiest Sega fan and still am. I would recommend it anytime.

I bought the import card about 5 years ago and got aholdo f some japanese titles. I completely agree with you, that japanese library was much better than the US library. And yes, I remember playing daytona USA all day long

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It's probably my favorite too. Great system with SO much potential.
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Well I did own a Saturn but not growing up. I bought it with money from my first 40+ hour a week summer job, I also bought a 3DO, and a Playstation that fall. It felt like I had a fortune. The Saturn actually held less appeal for me than either of those systems at the time. Sure it was clearly better than a 3DO but my love for games like Immercenary, Blade Force, Star Control 2, Samurai Showdown, Alone in the Dark 1 and 2, PO'ed, even Theme Park overshadowed what fun I had with the few Saturn games I added to my collection. The standouts for me were definitely Virtua Cop and later House of the Dead, but overall I was decidedly underwhelmed after I got a Playstation. This doesn't mean the Saturn was bad, it just came into my life when for the first time I had too many options.
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I think the Saturn is great, but I think the way that SEGA delt with the Saturn was extremely wrong! Many games, such as House of the Dead, were released in their 70% complete states, plus their marketing of it was soo damned wrong, SEGA of Europes martketing of the console, to what I saw, was non-existant!

If only they had taken their time and not rush in getting it ready to compete with the PlayStation, with SoE marketing it right and bloody well given us the games that WE wanted, rather than the ones they THOUGHT we wanted... I mean, why wasn't Dead or Alive released in Europe for the Saturn? It made Sony a good fortune and is now one of the best beat-em-up series going! Or Grandia? Another game to make Sony a good amount of cash, yet with SEGA throwing it in the bin. Soo many ace games to come out for the Saturn and many made especially for the Saturn, just not where they were wanted :(

I now have well over a hundred SS games and many of the very cool peripherals (inc the Virtual-On dual control stick), even though I have almost all the recent consoles, I still find myself buying more Saturn games than for my more recent consoles.

SEGA Saturn forever!

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I noticed that many things going on with the Sega system from the previous posts, though never had one before.