The main reason why Oblivion lost to Morrowind so much

I just realized something by reading the "How to mess up an RPG" thread.

It is generally known that a lot of Elder Scrolls fans after finishing Oblivion went back to Morrowind, because it was more fun. I agree, Morrowind had some kind of magic that Oblivion lacked, even with all its good graphics, kinky combat and physics.

AND NOWI think I discovered the major ingredient that spoils the Oblivion formula: fast travel option. I didn't think about it at first but now I realize that 80% of all the time I spent in Morrowind, I spent getting to places. Sometimes it was annoying that I had to run for such a long time, and yet I still occupied that time with fighting monsters on my way, exploring newfound caves, completing side questsand enjoying the scenery.

In Oblivion, you have the option to instantly transport you to an already visited place. All those caves and sidequests are also present in Oblivion (to some extent)but I realized that, unless you just wonder around the map like an idiot, you will not find any of that. The result: people miss on a very large % of gameplay.

Moreover, when add-ons come out that, for example,dress your character upin a new outfit, you are onlyreally noticing the changeif you have enough time to look at it. In Morrowind you had that time. Whatever mod is coming out, you had the time to use it in game. Add-ons, as we know, is the reason why Morrowind is still so widely played. Oblivion can't even be saved by add-ons because they depend on the game's fast-traveling shortage of gameplay.

And don't tell me not to use fast-traveling option if I don't want to. It would be against logic and against human nature and is impossible.

Oblivion is better simply because with mods you can practically change everything you want to what you want.

Biggest mod scene i've ever seen.

Just wasn't that big of a deal to me. Anything that takes away the tedium of a game, is a good thing for me.

I walked or travelled by horse to most places so i have to disagree.

The voice acting and plot killed it for me.

You can install a mod that disables fast-travelling if it is really having that much of an impact on your enjoyment of the game. I thought that Oblivion was a step in the right direction for The Elder Scrolls, it had its issues, but I honestly can't understand in what way was it worse than Morrowind as if Morrowind was somehow the epitome of role-playing. Morrowind was a deeply flawed game with broken combat, confusing menus, and worst of all, my new blue carpet has more life and personality than Morrowind's gameworld.

I think there was no point in traveling around and looking for caves because of the leveling system.
In Morrowind you could go inside a cave or dungeon and hopefully you'd find an amazing item.

In Oblivion you can go inside a cave or dungeon and the same item over and over. No point.

I have both of the games, but I started playing oblivion first and now when I try to play morrowind, it's unplayable... I got use to the good graphics oblivion has, the controls, the menus....and when I try to play morrowind I see crapy graphics, wierd controls, and wierd menus...ohh and I'm not a graphic whore or whatever you call it...if I would have played morrowind first, I'd probably like itomerdv

That sucks, for you I mean. You are missing out on a great game. Morrowind was a huge step in the right direction, and is an undeniable great RPG for its time. As for Oblivion, it's the same exact way. Oblivion took another step in the right direction and filled us with more enjoyment out of an rpg. The only place they really failed was creating a new world that was smaller then the last. Sure the fast travel system is kind of dumb to be placed into that particular setting in an RPG game, but you don't have to use it so it isn't that big of a set back.

The mods for each game are growing at rapid rates, and they are the sole basis on what continues to keep making both games great. When it comes to choosing which one is better, I believe I will always go with Morrowind, simply that is was the first of the two, and it grabbed my attention first and made me fall in love with Elder Scrolls. With that said, if I were to say Oblivion was better, it would be a little biased of me, because I am taking my found love of Elder Scrolls that I got from playing Morrowind and just adding the tally up from there on the plus things that were found in Oblivion.

As for the fast travel taking away from the game and making people not like it as much, I don't find that to be true. Even though the people who complain that this aspect of the game was a set back to the gameplay of Oblivion usually note that they don't even use that particular aspect of the game. I'm not sure how it's setting them back if they don't even use it, but whatever. It didn't take away from any of my gameplay, because I never used it. I love free roaming worlds, because they are just that. I take the time to roam freely about the map and try to discover things I would have never saw if I hadn't taken the time to just wonder around.

I preferred Morrowind to Oblivion because of the unique fantasy setting and background mainly. Oblivion is just so typical-western-fantasy that it bores me. Oblivion does have better combat, however, I'll give it that much.

I still can't believe people actually think these are good RPGs though. If you ask me, Morrowind and Obivion are more action/adventure games with stat and skill growth rather than RPGs. I can't recall many situations where I'd have to 'roleplay' in either game, unless you count simplistic 'kill him or leave him be' or 'should I steal that?' decisions as complex roleplaying.

the fact that monsters grow in level with you is what really really blew it for me. there was no sense of a dangerous area in the game. also the AI was insanely easy to thwart. the main campaign sucked hard as well. i might get the game again when its a low low priced title, but other than that it wasnt worth the money i originally paid, so i ebayed it and got my money back.

I have both of the games, but I started playing oblivion first and now when I try to play morrowind, it's unplayable... I got use to the good graphics oblivion has, the controls, the menus....and when I try to play morrowind I see crapy graphics, wierd controls, and wierd menus...ohh and I'm not a graphic whore or whatever you call it...if I would have played morrowind first, I'd probably like itomerdv

I feel the same way, brought Morrowind after playing Oblivion as it was such a good game, however I find that walking around seems to be a lot slower which is a big put off for me, but having read some of the replys in here it makes me want to try Morrowind again.

You can install a mod that disables fast-travelling if it is really having that much of an impact on your enjoyment of the game. I thought that Oblivion was a step in the right direction for The Elder Scrolls, it had its issues, but I honestly can't understand in what way was it worse than Morrowind as if Morrowind was somehow the epitome of role-playing. Morrowind was a deeply flawed game with broken combat, confusing menus, and worst of all, my new blue carpet has more life and personality than Morrowind's gameworld.

UpInFlames

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on pretty much every point. I haven't been able to find any flaws in the game. I personally really enjoy the way the combat works, to me it engages the player more when one gets better at combat as becoming more experienced. I never found the menus confusing at all and I actually liked them. And I always thought there was a lot of personality to the people and the landscape.

But, hey, to each his own.

I tried and tried to enjoy Morrowind, I really did, my friend said it was amazing, that it was his favorite game, yadda yadda, well I played it, and I could see it was a good game, it had a large, open world, the quests were fun, the openess was new to me, but I just didnt enjoy it at all, Oblivion on the other hand was brilliant, one of my fav games this generation.

Morrowind was lacking a certain charm...

Haha, very interesting. Aparently, according to thepeople here, for everyone therewassomething differentto hate.

You can install a mod that disables fast-travelling if it is really having that much of an impact on your enjoyment of the game.

UpInFlames

Wait... they have a mod for disabling something that you could just choose not to do yourself? To fast travel or to not fast travel? Most often times, I found myself walking to many places only to get distracted by something else along the way. That was part of the fun with Oblivion. In fact, if I did not have fast travel I probably wouldn't have made it as far as I have in the game because of the amount of distractions one faces while traveling from one location to another.

Still, to have a mod for disabling something you could simply choose not to do is just odd to me. Am I missing something?

Oh by the way, have you heard the new Radiohead album? I think it is pretty damn good. Yeah... I said "damn good".

I have both of the games, but I started playing oblivion first and now when I try to play morrowind, it's unplayable... I got use to the good graphics oblivion has, the controls, the menus....and when I try to play morrowind I see crapy graphics, wierd controls, and wierd menus...ohh and I'm not a graphic whore or whatever you call it...if I would have played morrowind first, I'd probably like itomerdv

OMG, that is exactly what happened to me, I tried to go back and play Morrowind after hearing about how superior it was, but I have to say the game was virtually unplayable after having played Oblivion (especially when coupled with Shivering Isles).

I found Morrowind to be an unbelievable bore. The combat and that horrid newspaper-like copy and paste character dialogue/text ... menu ...... tree were the biggest deal breakers.

Oblivion corrected every gripe I had with Morrowind, and even added things Idid'nt know I wanted.

Only things I can say I didn't like about Oblivion were the ever leveling enemies, selectable difficulty at any time in game, and yes, the fast travel. All of which I felt were casual-izing things a bit more than required. Everything else was phenomenal and it has a rightful place as a AAA game and one of the best games of all time, something Morrowinddid'nt have nor, in my opinion, deserve.

And to the guy that said Morrowind had a bigger game world ...... what are you smokin'? Oblivion's game world is like three times the size of Morrowind's.

[QUOTE="omerdv"]I have both of the games, but I started playing oblivion first and now when I try to play morrowind, it's unplayable... I got use to the good graphics oblivion has, the controls, the menus....and when I try to play morrowind I see crapy graphics, wierd controls, and wierd menus...ohh and I'm not a graphic whore or whatever you call it...if I would have played morrowind first, I'd probably like itHiResDes

OMG, that is exactly what happened to me, I tried to go back and play Morrowind after hearing about how superior it was, but I have to say the game was virtually unplayable after having played Oblivion (especially when coupled with Shivering Isles).

Wait... they have a mod for disabling something that you could just choose not to do yourself? To fast travel or to not fast travel? Most often times, I found myself walking to many places only to get distracted by something else along the way. That was part of the fun with Oblivion. In fact, if I did not have fast travel I probably wouldn't have made it as far as I have in the game because of the amount of distractions one faces while traveling from one location to another.

Still, to have a mod for disabling something you could simply choose not to do is just odd to me. Am I missing something?

Oh by the way, have you heard the new Radiohead album? I think it is pretty damn good. Yeah... I said "damn good".juradai

It's for the weak of mind. :wink:

I'm the same as you, most of the time I didn't use fast-travel because--and this may come as a shock--Cyrodiil is fun to explore. :o When I wanted something done fast, I used it. I don't see what's the big deal. *shrugs* And yeah, there's a mod for pretty much everything.

I'm waiting for my PC to get fixed up before downloading In Rainbows. Its release took me by surprise and I would've preferred a retail copy instead of a digital download, but whatever. So far, I've heard that the reception has been positive, but hey, it's Radiohead. Have they ever made anything not good?*

*All of you smart-asses please don't answer this as it is a rhetorical question - the answer being **** NO!