The return of the 2D Game..

Hi! I'm speak not very well in english, so sorry for my faults .. :oops:

Well : I ask you if it's possible for one of the actual leader of the videogame market (Nintendo, Microsoft or Sony) to take a lot (very lot) of risk ?

==> Example : Nintendo for his wii, as take a risk.. and for the moment this risk paid a lot for him!

So =>> Do you think that it's possible -for the next generation- to have a powerfull 2D (and only that) console ?

Ok the casual gamers and young gamers will not be interressed by it, but how many old gamers began with a nes/master system/2d system, and regret this time when the imaginary was more important that technology ? A million i'm sure! ;)

So : Imagine a powerful console 2d (more powerful that atomiswave for exemple), with a down cost of development, and imagine this kind of game remasterized or a new game with this king of ambiance :

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OK.. I stop; but there are many exemple, for me the 2d are moste impressive and magic that 3d, and like a million of nostalgik gamers, i would like a 2d console because :

1/It's less expansive to develope a game

2/The market will be relanced

3/The 2d is not dead

What do you think about that ? :D

2D is dead, and we have killed it. A 2D platform would fail miserably for 2 reasons:

1. 2D hit its peak in the 16bit era, and therefore there isn't really a 'need' for new 2D games, considering that the genre has been exhausted

2. Every single classic 2D game created is easily available on the internet, meaning that very few people would consider shelling out $$$ for a new 2D system.

Sega tried what you're suggesting with the Saturn, and look what happened to that thing. It's a nice idea, but never going to happen

Ok you're right fot the Saturn, but in this time, the 3d was very new! I remember i was so young and so impressive to see ridge race or tekken in the new Playstation!
But today, after twelves years, things are changed => the 3d begin to be obsolete and repetitive.

The cost of development of the platform X360/Ps3 are extremly expensive, i would like to know what happened for the next generation with this 2 constructor, because the run of the technologic is not the solution, there managed to try a solution for the little studio for example.

The 2d return would be the solution.
I take more pleasure to play a 2d rpg/aventure/sport or combat, to play at 3d game of the same game. And i'm not one exception!

All the olg gamers, all the nostalgik gamer, or even the retrogamer and the poeple who play emulation are a market that they can exploited.

The succes of the retrogaming of the wii are an example.

For exemple An Street fighter 3rd impact is like technical that an Soulcalibur , and personaly i prefere to fight in this first game.

Ok you're right fot the Saturn, but in this time, the 3d was very new! I remember i was so young and so impressive to see ridge race or tekken in the new Playstation!
But today, after twelves years, things are changed => the 3d begin to be obsolete and repetitive.

The cost of development of the platform X360/Ps3 are extremly expensive, i would like to know what happened for the next generation with this 2 constructor, because the run of the technologic is not the solution, there managed to try a solution for the little studio for example.

The 2d return would be the solution.
I take more pleasure to play a 2d rpg/aventure/sport or combat, to play at 3d game of the same game. And i'm not one exception!

All the olg gamers, all the nostalgik gamer, or even the retrogamer and the poeple who play emulation are a market that they can exploited.

The succes of the retrogaming of the wii are an example.

For exemple An Street fighter 3rd impact is like technical that an Soulcalibur , and personaly i prefere to fight in this first game.

Sunskynet

There's absoluetly no market for a new 2D system. Most gamers who want retro stuff just buy a SNES or NES off ebay. I'd love to see a new 2D console, but it wouldnt offer anything new. 3D is so much more diverse. Would any of the good games coming out this year work well minus one dimension?

Sure.. i know that you're right but you say that even if that not market for 2d game, you're are the first who would like an 2d console. So even if you are very very pessimist about 2d market and that for YOU the 3d give more diferent style of game, you buy this consol if one day it's become a reality.

In fact, that guys who are too dreamer like me, i know that im too optimist lol .. it's right..

But i know that a lot of old gamers buy this kind of console, and other guy like YOU, that think the 2d market are dead but finally you're like me => you buy it, so we are the same kind of gamers.

It's hard to explain in english, sorry for my bad english

Yes you're right Pink Floyd, they are many people that tecnologic count more that ambiance or gameplay. It's often the most young gamers, who become videogame with the first playstation.
But how many guy become videogame with 2d system (CPC/atari/master sytem/nes..), and today they play again and again. They are milion (like me and you) and i think that they represent a perfect target to a new System 2d, even if 2d is e little more restricted like 3d, the 2d can offers a magnific experience again and again.

For me they are a lot of way to experiment in 2d. Look the DS for exemple, the way to play is experimental and new for a many games, but 3/4 of the Ds game are 2d game, and there are exceptionnel.

So we can have an very good 2d game (rpg/aventure/sport), but we can have also an experimental or new 2d game(Ds game/few saturn game also).

I really don't think its necessary to have a 2d only console. With the online networks like Xbox Live and PSN, developers can make 2d games and just release them on those networks for a cheaper and easier process.

Seriously? I would buy it in a heartbeat, you just described my dream system. :)

That along with my PC doing powerful 3D and the Wii's unique style and my DS's portablity I'd be set. :)

There's absoluetly no market for a new 2D system. Most gamers who want retro stuff just buy a SNES or NES off ebay. I'd love to see a new 2D console, but it wouldnt offer anything new. 3D is so much more diverse. Would any of the good games coming out this year work well minus one dimension?

grarap

How is 3D more diverse, you can pretty much do everysingle genre in 3D in 2D and vice versa. You want a shooter like Halo play Soldat. MMORPG like WoW play Maple Story or Ragnarok. Action-Adventure play 2D Zelda or 2D Metroid. Stealth? Why don't you look at Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake a game where Metal Gear Solid copied everything it did just made the models 3D. JRPG's? Pretty much every JRPG during the PSone days was really 2D it just had 3D models moving around and has had them turned into 2D and played the same no problem. Fighting? I heard about more respected 2D fighters then 3D from most fighting fans I've talked to. Actually don't quote me on this but I've heard some say the Third Strike is the most technically advanced fighter of all-time. Shoot-em-up? Try doing Bullet Hell in Panzer Dragoon. Platformer? Million examples. Hell there are plenty of gernes 2D is far superior in then 3D as some games 3D is far superior then 2D. As for good games not coming out this year? There have already been awesome 2D games like Odin Sphere and Super Paper Mario on consoles, and the Nintendo DS with Picross DS, Poke'mon, Hotel Dusk, Lunar Knights, and tons of others along with the hyped Contra 4, Professor Layton, and Phoenix Wright 3, It's a Wonderful World, Sonic Rush Adventure, and many many others. People have even went as far as calling the DS the best system of all-time and some have stated that they are stuck playing it infront of their +thousand dollar equipment just for Elite Beat Agents. :P

I agree however that some games coming out this year wouldn't have been as good in 2D, Bioshock is a perfect example of this.

Awesome ArticleGunraidan

I'm surprised that Odin Sphere sold over 100,000 copies.

The major flaw that I see is that the mainstream gaming population considers 2D games as lesser then 3D ones. While I personally do not think this is true, I know dozens of people who would consider a 3D entry in a specific series of game superior to a 2D entry simply because of the graphical updates. While this is true sometimes, it is not the case in many series (castlevania, for example). So while some like 2D, I don't think you could ever release a new dedicated 2D console, as it would fail. Not to mention, you can make some great 2D games on todays console, just look at the new street fighter coming out for PS3.BoG_

As 2D and 3D do many things better then one another I say one thing 3D has over 2D is immersion. Gamers today want to FEEL like they are actually IN the game and 2D is much harder to replicate that.

However with the current change in focus of gaming switching to the "fun" aspect with the DS and Wii I wouldn't be surprised if 2D is more accepted later on. Especailly since in MY opinion that 2D offers much better core game mechanics then 3D.

Everything is cyclical. I'm just waiting until I have to buy a 2D accelerator card.

For the moment i download Symphony of the night in PS Store US. :D

I :love: this game! rhaaaa thx konami!

i for one would love to see a next gen 2d game. gimme a 2d castlevania with next gen graphics and ill be a happy camper.OneWingedAngeI

I was going to mention that. I'd buy the next Symphony of The Night in a heartbeat.

The main reason why people think 2D is inferior is because they haven't played alot of 2D games since the SNES/Genesis era. Of course they are going to seem simple they're 15 years old. Even the DS is a culprit it's about as powerful as a system 2 generations ago. Playing recent 2D games such as Super Paper Mario and Odin Sphere show me how much more this genre has to breathe. I want to see 2D gameplay evolve past the SEGA Saturn days. Come on give me a modern day MonsterBoy in Wonderland! :)

If you want 2D Games, go to Addictinggames or Newgrounds. It's that simple.ventaxon

Agreed and if you want to play 3D games go to flashgames247.com where many games are in 3D.

2D is dead, and we have killed it. A 2D platform would fail miserably for 2 reasons:

1. 2D hit its peak in the 16bit era, and therefore there isn't really a 'need' for new 2D games, considering that the genre has been exhausted

2. Every single classic 2D game created is easily available on the internet, meaning that very few people would consider shelling out $$$ for a new 2D system.

Sega tried what you're suggesting with the Saturn, and look what happened to that thing. It's a nice idea, but never going to happen

grarap

1. What? If that were true couldn't it be said the same with 3D since it was long around as true 2D was at the time of the SNES? Also 2D has plenty to evolve look at unique titles such as Disgaea.

2. I want NEW games.

First thing the Saturn didn't release most of it's 2D games here in the West it primarly focues in 3D here to compete with SONY, in Japan where it's good games actually saw release it got 2nd place ONLY because it focused on 2D differentianting itself from the N64 and PSone. So the Saturn was successful for being mainly a 2D machine.

just thought you folks might enjoy this video. The top ten worst 2D to 3D games.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/20987.html

sometimes, simplicity is for the best.

just thought you folks might enjoy this video. The top ten worst 2D to 3D games.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/20987.html

sometimes, simplicity is for the best.

crazyrhino9999

I love those screwattack top 10's.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/20987.html

Good video! i persist, the 3d are not the solution, it's become to expensive with the new platform (not the wii but the other) and it's begin to be often the same thing, the same but. (a lot of fps with no originality for example, but it rest few exception like bioshock

My dream ? : a new street of rage 2d, with graphisme like Street fighter III 3rd impact for exemple, and playable at five and online.. the must!

I think that it's possible, and i hope that Nintendo or another company take this risk! If i remember they already have 5 million of downloading in Virtual console! It's unbeliveable, and all of there are old game! A good market i say you! It's possible!

i think many game became bad because of the 3D, Worms for example (it was much more playable when it was in 2D).

sometimes I prefer 2D instead of 3D because it's easier in 2D to make gorgeous graphics. just see the worms on the PSP, it's in 2D and the graphics looks awesome, really magic, wonderful!

In 3D there is often a lot of technical problems like camera angles, collisions... and some games cannot be in 3D, when you try to convert it in 3D it results a game with a bad gameplay, a bad ambience...(like the 3D bomberman on the xbox, that looks a FPS...)

Excactly! A lot of game had lost its ambiance when it passed in 3d, worms/contra/final fight/castlevania/tetris/oddworld ... and other big franchise are a excellent conversion in 3d but i prefere the 2d version : Mario64 Vs Super Yoshi Island / Mario Kart VS Mario Kart 64 / Donkey Kong 64 Vs Donkey Kong Country.. etc etc

They are again a lot of possibility to do extraordinary things in 2d system, when the 3d arrived in the video game market, the developpers are to excited to explore this way and they completely rejected 2d (who became beautiful and complexe) for the new 3d not very beautiful (texture,aliasing..) in the new ps1..

Imagine few seconde, a new Zelda ALLTP 2d (2d like the better graphic of atomiswave or like the Zelda 2d in Gamecube) in the next Nintendo System who we can play online at 8 in cooperation for example, and we are in a very big donjon with enigme and we can arrived fast to the boss.. rhaaaaa

The thing I find funny that people act like all the good 2D franchises suceeded in the jump to 3D. In reality most of them simply didn't make the jump at all when you truly think about it *Zombies at My Neighboors, Yoshi's Island, Ristar, etc.*. And most that did changed so much they aren't even the same game anymore *Ninja Gaiden* And others just failed *Sonic, Street Fighter, and Castlevania*.

The reason people like 3D better is usually because it immerses you more, they enjoy running around in a 3D world, but when you think about it 2D is superior to many things in 3D. 2D has superior combat since 3D isn't as fast and is forced to use lock-on. In 3D you can't see all the enemies on the screen at once. In 2D you have a better perspective *example you can know exactly what pixel you will land on in SMW, can't say the same in SM64* these are simple facts and can't be argued with. But in these days of age when gaming is focused on ultra A.I., real-life graphics, and and pushing the immersion, 2D just falls short of that. Luckly that is FINALLY going to change! :)

whats wrong with playing the old 2d games on the orignal systems or even on emulators.. why need a whole new 2d only console..

whats wrong with playing the old 2d games on the orignal systems or even on emulators.. why need a whole new 2d only console..

strider1983

What's wrong with playing all your 3D games on the N64 or emulators, what's the need for a whole new 3D console?