Too many worthless updates this gen

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#1 AL_GREEN
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Seriously why can't I turn on my console or put in a game without having to update it every week or two? What do these updates even do? Nothing significant ever changes. PS3 is the absolute worst for this but 360 is pretty bad too.

Is this the most annoying gen in video games history?

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#2 TommyWieseau81
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Seriously why can't I put in a game without having to update it every week or two? What do these updates even do? Nothing significant ever changes. PS3 is the absolute worst for this but 360 is pretty bad too.

Is this the most annoying gen in video games history?

AL_GREEN
Whats wrong with spending around 1 minute to update a game every 2 weeks? Are you that impatient?
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#3 thattotally
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With all the crap that this gen has sprung, I would think you would pick, at the very least, something "worthwhile" to "complain about".

Is this really an issue for you? I can understand not having an Internet connection but... hmm...

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#4 branketra
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I wonder why they made it so PS3 is no longer backwards compatible.

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#5 osan0
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ah welcome to patching...used to be a PC thing but since consoles are more and more online now....well testing is not as stringent :P. seriously though patches are a bit of a double edged sword. on the + side it can mean visual and performance upgrades and new features (just got a 2GB patch for shogun 2 total war which improved both visuals and performance....nice :D). patches are also essential to balanced multiplayer gaming. but the down side is that..well they need to be downloaded and testing can be a bit more forgiving since it can always be fixed later. on PCs patches are understandable. testing every single hardware configuration is impossible....they can only do so much. however bug fixing patches are a bit of a nonsense on consoles has to be said. its 1 set of hardware. but consoles still need multiplayer balancing patches and such like.
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#6 thattotally
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I wonder why they made it so PS3 were no longer backwards compatible. BranKetra

Really? Really? With the ps2 still selling and Sony making "updated" ports of their games, you really wonder why Sony thought to remove backwards compatibility? I'd say you should be more worried about the next console's bc than the ps3 :P .

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#7 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I wonder why they made it so PS3 were no longer backwards compatible. thattotally

Really? Really? With the ps2 still selling and Sony making "updated" ports of their games, you really wonder why Sony thought to remove backwards compatibility? I'd say you should be more worried about the next console's bc than the ps3 :P .

Yes, really. I mean, was there a technical issue caused by BC? Or did they just say, "this is what's happening. Deal with it?"
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#8 ArchoNils2
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You know they are optional? What's wrong with updates that fix bugs and balanca a game more? oO I love to patch my games. Oh and there are plenty of times where you can see what the update does. Buy the original version of Burnout Paradise, play it a hour, update it and you get blown away

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#9 thattotally
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[QUOTE="thattotally"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I wonder why they made it so PS3 were no longer backwards compatible. BranKetra

Really? Really? With the ps2 still selling and Sony making "updated" ports of their games, you really wonder why Sony thought to remove backwards compatibility? I'd say you should be more worried about the next console's bc than the ps3 :P .

Yes, really. I mean, was there a technical issue caused by BC? Or did they just say, "this is what's happening. Deal with it?"

We'll keep it simple:


Hardware costs.

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#10 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="thattotally"]

Really? Really? With the ps2 still selling and Sony making "updated" ports of their games, you really wonder why Sony thought to remove backwards compatibility? I'd say you should be more worried about the next console's bc than the ps3 :P .

thattotally

Yes, really. I mean, was there a technical issue caused by BC? Or did they just say, "this is what's happening. Deal with it?"

We'll keep it simple:


Hardware costs.

What is that supposed to mean?

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[QUOTE="thattotally"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Yes, really. I mean, was there a technical issue caused by BC? Or did they just say, "this is what's happening. Deal with it?"BranKetra

We'll keep it simple:


Hardware costs.

What is that supposed to mean?

It means software emulation of the PS2 is hit-or-miss at best, so to grant backwards compatibility, you have to basically put all the PS2 hardware inside the PS3. Those extra components cost money, obviously, and would either lower the profit margin of the console or force Sony to charge more.

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#12 gymophett
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They don't take very long at all, I've never really minded.

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#13 Archangel3371
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I don't mind updates at all myself as it can have many benefits so I'm glad that consoles now have this option available to them.
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#14 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="thattotally"]

We'll keep it simple:


Hardware costs.

djsundowner

What is that supposed to mean?

It means software emulation of the PS2 is hit-or-miss at best, so to grant backwards compatibility, you have to basically put all the PS2 hardware inside the PS3. Those extra components cost money, obviously, and would either lower the profit margin of the console or force Sony to charge more.

What about the ones that already have the hardware inside it? It sounds like they just turned it off.

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#15 CarnageHeart
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[QUOTE="djsundowner"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] What is that supposed to mean?

BranKetra

It means software emulation of the PS2 is hit-or-miss at best, so to grant backwards compatibility, you have to basically put all the PS2 hardware inside the PS3. Those extra components cost money, obviously, and would either lower the profit margin of the console or force Sony to charge more.

What about the ones that already have the hardware inside it? It sounds like they just turned it off.

B/C still works fine on my launch PS3.

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#16 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="djsundowner"]

It means software emulation of the PS2 is hit-or-miss at best, so to grant backwards compatibility, you have to basically put all the PS2 hardware inside the PS3. Those extra components cost money, obviously, and would either lower the profit margin of the console or force Sony to charge more.

CarnageHeart

What about the ones that already have the hardware inside it? It sounds like they just turned it off.

B/C still works fine on my launch PS3.

I sold mine a while ago. I'm referring to something I read about, a while ago. I don't remember the specifics, like which versions would be affected, but I remember a lot of talk about it, here.

One of the main things about it was that if the update wasn't accepted, a user could no longer access PSN.

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#17 CarnageHeart
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[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]What about the ones that already have the hardware inside it? It sounds like they just turned it off.

BranKetra

B/C still works fine on my launch PS3.

I sold mine a while ago. I'm referring to something I read about, a while ago. I don't remember the specifics, like which versions would be affected, but I remember a lot of talk about it, here.

One of the main things about it was that if the update wasn't accepted, a user could no longer access PSN.

That's the case with all updates. My PS3 has always run the latest updates (I am a heavy online gamer) and I've never had problems playing PS2 games.

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#18 DJ_Lae
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The easy complaint is that if developers couldn't patch games, they'd be forced to work harder on QA in the first place. I don't agree - I like that they're able to fix their games later on or add features and content if they so choose (GT5 would have remained a steaming pile of **bleep** if they couldn't patch it). Patches can be annoying, however, especially on the PS3. I can only imagine how annoyed someone would be trying to play Heavy Rain while logged in and being forced to download a 1.3GB patch on one of the slowest networks known to mankind - especially if they didn't own a Move and would not benefit from the patch in any way. I like that Microsoft has set limits on the size of patches, though I have seen them grow a bit in recent years.
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#19 Mewi
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="thattotally"]

Really? Really? With the ps2 still selling and Sony making "updated" ports of their games, you really wonder why Sony thought to remove backwards compatibility? I'd say you should be more worried about the next console's bc than the ps3 :P .

thattotally

Yes, really. I mean, was there a technical issue caused by BC? Or did they just say, "this is what's happening. Deal with it?"

We'll keep it simple:


Hardware costs.

The PS3 can easily be backwards compatible, it has nothing to do with "hardware" just remember my computer can RUN PS2 emulation, and PS1 emulation... and SNES emulation. PS3/Xbox whatever are just mini computers. Giving that Sony has access to the coding for PS2... it would be very easy to make PS3 backwards compatible.

So anyway... the xbox 360 has a lot of updates? For what? Black Ops? Because my xbox has very rarely updated since I got it 5-6 months ago. and.. PSN is DAMNED SLOW lol

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#20 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

B/C still works fine on my launch PS3.

CarnageHeart

I sold mine a while ago. I'm referring to something I read about, a while ago. I don't remember the specifics, like which versions would be affected, but I remember a lot of talk about it, here.

One of the main things about it was that if the update wasn't accepted, a user could no longer access PSN.

That's the case with all updates. My PS3 has always run the latest updates (I am a heavy online gamer) and I've never had problems playing PS2 games.

In that case, I wonder what all that talk was about.

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#21 Black_Knight_00
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Updates on the PS3 are ridiculous: they're rarely less than 30MB each, take forever to download and sometimes for arcade games you basically have to redownload the whole thing, like for Street Fighter HD remix, a 300MB game with a 300MB update. At least the PS3 doesn't kick you off the network when you need to download a patch like the 360 does, although you can't really do anything else while you're downloading. Bah

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#22 X360PS3AMD05
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Cause the games aren't finished?
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#23 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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[QUOTE="AL_GREEN"]

Seriously why can't I put in a game without having to update it every week or two? What do these updates even do? Nothing significant ever changes. PS3 is the absolute worst for this but 360 is pretty bad too.

Is this the most annoying gen in video games history?

TommyWieseau81

Whats wrong with spending around 1 minute to update a game every 2 weeks? Are you that impatient?

Well, as long as you don't have to and the game still plays. Major updates should be ON THE DISC, because their are people like me that occasionally go without having online for X amount of time, due to travels.

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#24 istuffedsunny
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That's the problem with today's consoles, they let developers be as lazy and greedy as they want to be. Can't meet the deadline? Ship it anyway, we'll have a huge day-1 patch! No time to finish coding that sidequest? Day-1 DLC here we come! :/
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#25 edinsftw
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[QUOTE="thattotally"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Yes, really. I mean, was there a technical issue caused by BC? Or did they just say, "this is what's happening. Deal with it?"Mewi

We'll keep it simple:


Hardware costs.

The PS3 can easily be backwards compatible, it has nothing to do with "hardware" just remember my computer can RUN PS2 emulation, and PS1 emulation... and SNES emulation. PS3/Xbox whatever are just mini computers. Giving that Sony has access to the coding for PS2... it would be very easy to make PS3 backwards compatible.

So anyway... the xbox 360 has a lot of updates? For what? Black Ops? Because my xbox has very rarely updated since I got it 5-6 months ago. and.. PSN is DAMNED SLOW lol

Have you ever tried this emulation? Its very spotty for the ps2 in specific, and you actually need really powerful hardware to run it decent at any res above 480p.

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#26 AL_GREEN
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Ps3 network works again yay! Lemme watch a few shows on netflix before I have to go to work in an hour. Turns on PS3..."system update required" - estimated time left 43 minutes. -_____________________- AHHHHH this updates not even gonna do anything at all.

seriously **** gaming this gen I'm gonna start reading books

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#27 LustForSoul
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One minute, your time must be spent well I guess.
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#28 -Saigo-
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Who seriously cares? If it keeps my game / system running well it's worth the 2 minute wait.