Unreal Engine 4 Skipping Wii U

Yup. Big disaster but one we all saw coming.

This is going to be a good wake up call for Nintendo I think. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom.

Is this really a surprise to anyone. Western third parties have always given nintendo the shaft.Shinobishyguy

So it was Western 3rd parties that told Nintendo that it should release a system roughly as powerful as current gen systems with a hyperexpensive tablet? Those devils.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Is this really a surprise to anyone. Western third parties have always given nintendo the shaft.CarnageHeart

So it was Western 3rd parties that told Nintendo that it should release a system roughly as powerful as current gen systems with a hyperexpensive tablet? Those devils.

There is really no reason to purchase a Nintendo system.

Crapspot left out the best part of the original article:

I figured I'd ask straight-out, so during the Q&A with Rein, I did.  "Will UE4 run on the Wii U?"

"Hahaha no."  Rein said, with expert comedic timing.  The room erupted with laughter.

Probably the least surprising news all week. Nintendo did it to themselves when they decided to once again make themselves the odd man out in terms of hardware.

I wonder how Nintendo fixes this. When they hit the panic button on the 3DS, they ended up righting the ship for the most part. It is certainly doing better now than it was at the time. I don't think it is as easy to do with the Wii U. Western devs aren't interested, and I don't see much in the pipeline from Japan either.rragnaar

[QUOTE="rragnaar"]I wonder how Nintendo fixes this. When they hit the panic button on the 3DS, they ended up righting the ship for the most part. It is certainly doing better now than it was at the time. I don't think it is as easy to do with the Wii U. Western devs aren't interested, and I don't see much in the pipeline from Japan either.GodModeEnabled

lol no, it wont be that bad. The Nintendo faithful will keep it alive. 

I think it will be the Gamecube. 

What he said makes sense,

The Unreal Engine 3 is the most suitable for the WiiU's hardware.

I don't think it's a terrible thing either because devs can still get impressive results out of UE3. (see BioShock: Infinite for the latest in UE3)

It makes more sense to use an updated version of UE3 for WiiU than a downgraded version of UE4.

Of course, another question is how this will impact next-gen cross-platform titles on the WiiU.

Things right now aren't looking bringht in that regard so maybe Nintendo will have to focus on their 1st party and 3rd party exlusives instead.

[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="dvader654"] It will be the GC. Which is fine by me.dvader654

Lego City, Wonderful 101 and ZombiU are also 3rd party WiiU exclusives.

Rayman Legends was supposed to be exclusive too but got reduced to "exclusive content".

I wonder how Nintendo fixes this. When they hit the panic button on the 3DS, they ended up righting the ship for the most part. It is certainly doing better now than it was at the time. I don't think it is as easy to do with the Wii U. Western devs aren't interested, and I don't see much in the pipeline from Japan either.rragnaar

Thank the Japanese consumers for the way the 3DS has rebounded. If it was up to NA and EU, the system would still be struggling as we speak, minus the holiday season. I never felt that the 3DS' model would work in the same way for the Wii U, given that Japan doesn't usually embrace consoles as it does portable systems. If this holds true, it leaves the Wii U in a difficult situation all to itself that Nintendo can't approach the same way.

My guess is that Nintendo will just have to endure, much like it did with the GameCube a decade ago, although this road looks like it will be even tougher to traverse. Now, Nintendo's dealing with an HD console and all of the increased costs and resources that come with it, and that will likely take its tow on Nintendo's output of first party games. And since the exclusion of Unreal Engine 4 means that western developed-games will be a rarity on the system (as if we hadn't seen this already with the list of PS3/Xbox 360 games that have skipped the Wii U), Nintendo will have to hope that Japanese developers will throw them the necessary bones needed to keep the system relevant beyond the first party offerings. However, I currently don't see what the Wii U could offer to ANY developer that would make the system more appealing, with the possible, once in a blue moon exception of a game using the Gamepad to its utmost potential.

Sure, this isn't the most surprising news, but that still doesn't mean that it isn't BIG news. The reason being is because unlike with the Wii, there was an actual expectation by some that Nintendo would get significantly stronger third party support this time around with Wii U. Less than five months in, we've seen too many instances to suggest that certainly won't be the case.

Good job nintendo stick to your guns. The only reason I see nintendo not getting so much third party support is because alot of these dev's just wanna milk there customers for DLC. And thats the only real difference in the consoles. Eye candy is in the artwork not the hardware. The new hardcore gamer is idiot who spends 10 bucks for a four (or five if they feel like it) map pack or a new shiny gun on our already poorly optimized code we call an engine. I dont argue for sony, xbox or nintendo, but my wallet. It will say the same thing this gen as it did last , NO.

Good job nintendo stick to your guns. The only reason I see nintendo not getting so much third party support is because alot of these dev's just wanna milk there customers for DLC. And thats the only real difference in the consoles. Eye candy is in the artwork not the hardware. The new hardcore gamer is idiot who spends 10 bucks for a four (or five if they feel like it) map pack or a new shiny gun on our already poorly optimized code we call an engine. I dont argue for sony, xbox or nintendo, but my wallet. It will say the same thing this gen as it did last , NO.

carloas27

I just wish Nintendo would realize they can have both graphics AND gameplay... What's the point of sitting on billions if you never bother to push things forward?JustPlainLucas

The SNES, N64, and Cube were all more powerful than their peers. Nintendo knows that power sells. They're just being run by simpletons and feebs.

The SNES, N64, and Cube were all more powerful than their peers. Nintendo knows that power sells. They're just being run by simpletons and feebs.

Shame-usBlackley

Good job nintendo stick to your guns. The only reason I see nintendo not getting so much third party support is because alot of these dev's just wanna milk there customers for DLC. And thats the only real difference in the consoles. Eye candy is in the artwork not the hardware. The new hardcore gamer is idiot who spends 10 bucks for a four (or five if they feel like it) map pack or a new shiny gun on our already poorly optimized code we call an engine. I dont argue for sony, xbox or nintendo, but my wallet. It will say the same thing this gen as it did last , NO.

carloas27

:lol: For a Nintendo fan, you don't seem to know much about the company. The Wii U and the 3DS both allow for DLC and several major releases from Nintendo (including Fire Emblem and the last two Marios) have DLC released or announced. Third parties are avoiding the Wii U because Nintendo doesn't share the specs with them (making it tough to program for), 99% of core Nintendo fans don't buy games not named Mario, Zelda or Metroid and because the Wii U's sales are abysmal.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/02/new_fire_emblem_awakening_dlc_details_battle_for_attention

In a video released by Nintendo of America, below, you can see a handy summary of the packs that have come before, as well as the upcoming Smash Pack which unlocks the new Bride class and the Rogues Pack. Packs consist of three maps and seem to typically cost around $6, while maps available individually set you back $2.50 or more, as there are slight variations in prices.

http://www.destructoid.com/impressions-new-super-mario-bros-2-dlc-4-240933.phtml

Overall

If I had to rate every paid level pack in order of quality, it would probably go something like this:

Impossible, Coin Challenge Pack B, Nerve-Wrack Pack, Gold Rush Pack, Gold Mushroom Pack, Platform Panic Pack, Mystery Adventures, Coin Challenge Pack C, Coin Challenge Pack A.

That's nine packs for $2.50 each, which makes the lot of DLC $22.50. That's quite a bit of scratch to drop if you're just a casual Mario fan, but there are a number of gems in here.

Make sure and read all of my prior impressions to make a sound decision on what you want to buy. If you're a Mario junkie, you really can't go wrong in buying everything but Coin Challenge Pack A.

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[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"] The 3DS pricecut and the slew of good games it is getting bailed it out of the water, the problem here is that they can pricecut the system but can't get the software to back it up. So outside of the three or so first party games a year you might see this thing it is looking dead in the water. This is the next dreamcast.dvader654

lol no, it wont be that bad. The Nintendo faithful will keep it alive. 

I think it will be the Gamecube. 

This could turn out to be a pipe dream. Wii U is going to make the Gamecube look like it got a TON of third-party support. This thing is dead.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I just wish Nintendo would realize they can have both graphics AND gameplay... What's the point of sitting on billions if you never bother to push things forward?Shame-usBlackley

The SNES, N64, and Cube were all more powerful than their peers. Nintendo knows that power sells. They're just being run by simpletons and feebs.

The Gamecube was a little less powerful than the Xbox (quite a bit more powerful than the PS2, though not a generation ahead) and its sales were terrible. What Nintendo learned from the GC was that all its core fans want are Mario/Zelda/Metroid and what it learned from the Wii is that those fans will show up no matter how weak the hardware or how badly the interface sucks for most core games.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I just wish Nintendo would realize they can have both graphics AND gameplay... What's the point of sitting on billions if you never bother to push things forward?CarnageHeart

The SNES, N64, and Cube were all more powerful than their peers. Nintendo knows that power sells. They're just being run by simpletons and feebs.

The Gamecube was a little less powerful than the Xbox (quite a bit more powerful than the PS2, though not a generation ahead) and its sales were terrible. What Nintendo learned from the GC was that all its core fans want are Mario/Zelda/Metroid and what it learned from the Wii is that those fans will show up no matter how weak the hardware or how badly the interface sucks for most core games.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I just wish Nintendo would realize they can have both graphics AND gameplay... What's the point of sitting on billions if you never bother to push things forward?CarnageHeart

The SNES, N64, and Cube were all more powerful than their peers. Nintendo knows that power sells. They're just being run by simpletons and feebs.

The Gamecube was a little less powerful than the Xbox (quite a bit more powerful than the PS2, though not a generation ahead) and its sales were terrible. What Nintendo learned from the GC was that all its core fans want are Mario/Zelda/Metroid and what it learned from the Wii is that those fans will show up no matter how weak the hardware or how badly the interface sucks for most core games.

Nintendo fans are into self-flagellation, yes, but it's hardly a marketing strategy for a successful console. Nintendo knows better than anyone that you have to be able to attain parity to survive/succeed, they just let the loons take the wheel last generation and it worked for a few years. That ship has sailed, though. There's no magic wand that will be waved this time -- if it were that easy everyone would be doing it (well, I suppose there's always Microsoft, who is embarrassing themselves they're trying to be 2007 Nintendo so hard). 

Without a gimmick, all the geezers, goons, and bubblegummers aren't going to take the time to notice anymore, and without the power to keep up, the system will die early, with or without Nintendo support. Nintendo cannot release enough games on their own to keep it alive. They must have third parties, and the third parties are about to move on later this year. It's a death sentence, I don't see it any other way. I mean, what's Nintendo going to say to stall the inevitable? "Hey guys, don't move on, we sold 60,000 units last month! We smell a comeback!!"

I have nothing against DLC content, per Se, I really didn't mean to be all insulting to everyone with such a broad stroke of generalizing. I just think it is being abused. Nintendo first party are usually high priced and high class and filled with quality.

I really wouldn't hate Nintendo if they filled the gaps as they did with there sports games back in the game cube days. All I am saying is, it just seems rather smug of them to say these things and not think of scaling to support Wii-U.

Unreal Engine 4 is (by my understanding) a bright new set of shiny training wheels for programmers and software coders to interface with new hardware, wouldn't that make them competitors. they should figure it out for themselves and be more competitive. they are just smug and Lazy in my book. I will still buy their games on my PC and ps3 tho'.

No UE4, and no frostbite....there goes all the major 3rd party support

Not really surprising.

No UE4, and no frostbite....there goes all the major 3rd party support

wis3boi