What Call Of Duty Haters Don't Understand

Here we go, another Call Of Duty topic board. It's getting tiring, isn't it? Yes, but much of that comes from people expressing their hatred of either the latest game, or the series as a whole. And the plain and simple fact of the matter is this: the ardent flamer who despises everything the series is or stands for simply doesn't understand what it is, what it can be, or what is being done.

All this talk about "What will be better: Infinite Warfare or Battlefield 1?" is pointless. It's an unnecessary pissing contest that people are just getting caught in while losing sight of the main truth: both games are gonna be incredible and a wonderful bang for your buck. These series have represented an incredible consistent quality, with only minor hiccups here and there (the villain of Ghosts, which was the only real problem in that game), and both will sell massive quantities and make money hand over fist. And they'll be incredibly fun!

And for those who complain "CoD IN SPACE is where they're losing the plot. More of this phony future shit that can't possibly happen! As if boost jumps and exo suits weren't bad enough!" well, let me enlighten you. All of these were put in the games by talking not only with the usual military advisors, but also futurists and technology firms that are hoping and planning to create innovations like the ones seen in Black Ops II, Advanced Warfare and Infinite Warfare. Some have admittedly not gotten past the drawing board, but the work to make these happen is very real indeed, and experts predict that they'll have an integral role in military operations when their time has come. Also, the hatred that these flip-flopping critics have is baffling. You kept saying that you wanted CoD to have elements of other shooter franchises and be more like old-school '90s shooters or other modern series like Far Cry or BioShock. But when something happens that at least vaguely corresponds with it, you then complain that CoD has lost the plot and "should go back to World War II or even earlier, back when it was real!" What do you really want? And also keep this in mind, if CoD made such a full transition to be like these other games, it wouldn't be CoD anymore, as the games are meant to be tactical squad-based military shooters and nothing else. CoD can't be like Doom, and vice versa.

When goes so far as to complain because "Phht, regenerating health, lame!" or "Ooooh, aiming down the sights, give me a break!", you showcase incredible snobbishness and an inability to even give anything a fair shake. "Ooh, assisted jumping," is really no different.

Here's the crux of it, 3 years worth of planning can't be undone because of feedback. It can be tweaked, yes, but the companies shouldn't bend over backwards to pander to you and your flighty, always changing whims. Plus, if your whims are changing all that much, then you never knew what you wanted to begin with, and possibly never will. That, or you're a hypocrite who wants to bash CoD but not excoriate anything else doing the same thing, except you like the other.

Not a Cod fan myself but many of my friends are. They love Black Ops III l, it's mostly all they play together, they've nothing but compliments for it.

The way I see it is that there are a group that will complain about and buy it anyway to find why they should dislike it. Infinite Warfare's trailer had a large number of dislikes, but as a proportion of the number of views, it's small enough. And many of those people will buy it anyway

Yes it's not consumer friendly to bundle Modern Warfare with IW's special edition. I'd love to buy Modern Warfare, it was the only one I enjoyed (sp&mp) I'm not going to pay €80 for it. I imagine it'll be sold seperately at some point.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. I won't be.

(The community is possibly one of the worst I've come across in MP, a reason why I don't play it)

The only two I played were MW1 & MW2. didn't buy any others as I could tell the series was meant to be an infinite cash grab. I don't really hate the series though, I just don't see a reason to buy another one.

Edit: I forgot, I played COD 5 via a friends copy for the zombies. Actually have pretty fond memories of playing zombies back then with friends.

TIL the word excoriate, thanks op!

@admiraladmiral: Infinite cash grab. So you're faulting the series for realizing how much money it was making and wanting to maximize that potential? You realize all games, even indie games, are made with the intent to sell as many copies as possible, right? By nature, all games, whether or not they are AAA, are commercial. They are simultaneously product and art. True, people easily make games with the money not being the primary reason, but anyone who says they don't care if it ever sells is clearly a liar.

I don't hate it. I'm at the point of total indifference towards it. It ran its course a very long time ago and there are too many other better games for me to play out there.

@luv4hutch: i have had a lot of fun with call of duty, but lately they just feel like cash grabs. Ghosts had almost no selling points or interesting features except that it is a cod game. They were showing dog models as the primary improvement oger the last games. I feel like cod developers are getting lazy. They think that they can sell us the same thing every year and expect us to pay full price for it. Black ops 3 and advanced warfare are nearly exactly the same when it comes to gameplay. I also hate the fact that the storyline is half-assed. They story of the most recent cods have been "terrorists are attacking, kill them." black ops 2 had a fantastic story including side missions and moral choices, then black ops 3 came out and the devs said "who cares about the story, just put jet packs and robots in it and every 13 year old with 60 dollars will buy it." I asked a friend if they are getting infinite warfare and they said they will because buying a cod every year is like a tradition. The developers of cod games are about to learn the hard way that fans will not put up with their bullshit anymore.

@awkwardblobfish: It isn't all that rehashed. There is only so much that can be done with tactical military shooters, especially in order to keep things grounded in quasi-realism. If you have them doing zombies or aliens in the main campaign, then you've really lost the plot in the series. If you go full Independence Day, then things have well and truly gone off the rails. But it's not. It's also because things have been built up so much in intensity and spectacle, it doesn't make logical sense to go backwards. In things like this, the message is to look to the future, not the past. Going back several notches would be an absolute disaster, as it would be considered blatant pandering for respectability and critic pleasing, which is even worse. Echoing certain elements of the past is inevitable. No one story is truly, ABSOLUTELY original. By this logic, Halo is rehashing itself, or Far Cry.

An example, if you will. Kiss stands apart from anything, especially expectations and rules. When they did do moments of pandering and attempt to demonstrate critical credibility and respectability, it resulted in The Elder, and we know how that would've been. Plus, what would a Kiss show be without the big stage, pyro and lights? Hollow and empty, as people would miss it too much, even with the music being solid. Even in the non-makeup era, they still gave a big stage spectacle.

This doesn't mean that different stories and eras still can't be used. Variety is the spice of life. Joining Battlefield in WWI would be great, as would Korea, a full-fledged Vietnam title, and so on Also, a chance to play as the antagonists in full campaigns would go a long way. But it makes no sense to go back to WWII. It's been completely mined, and there is nothing more that can be done in that era by anyone. It would also be seen as a security blanket and a crutch to fall back on, and most people would be so disappointed that it would fail.

Ghosts was a very solid game. Canine fights, underwater battles, space fights a la Moonraker (which looked silly in that film, yes, but is just so cool here, and it was an interesting addition to the series' movie homages). It was a wonderful game. The only downside was the antagonist being a glorified bounty hunter, who isn't the prime mover and shaker behind the plans of the true enemy. I was anticipating the sequel that would've surely come if people hadn't shut down and attacked the game so viciously. This feedback is the reason they went with Infinite Warfare. You asked for innovation, and they hand it to you, now you bitch and moan about that. I hope Sledgehammer Games has more backbone and follows through on the sequel-baiting that was implied for Advanced Warfare.

Call Of Duty is still very much a vital series, and it would be a shame for it to end here like everyone is clamoring for. With some tweaks and greater branching out, it will remain a juggernaut that can continue for several decades. While sales haven't been at the level of before, they still end up the highest-selling games of the year (not that admittedly means much), and are hugely profitable. Ghosts still sold 25 million units by this date, after all. So, they are not remotely circling the drain or are in a death spiral, or have become just a license to print money. You can feel free to think otherwise, and choose not to buy it. As for me, I look forward to opening my copy on Christmas.

What Haters of Call of Duty Haters Don't Understand:

it has nothing to do with space. Or being a hipster and hating on what's popular.

we (well, I...) hate CoD because it is a sub-par game series that comes out once a year, negating the community of the previous game because everyone flocks to the newest installment. It has expensive DLC that caters towards the vain and pointless and offers things that should be in the base game. It is always overpriced, considering the games are essentially episodic to some extent. The singleplayer is short and corny, and the multiplayer is about semi-tangible rewards (unlocks, achievements, etc) and not about fun for the sake of fun.

Call of Duty is the pop music/culture of video games. Call of Duty is Britney Spears, Rebecca Black...occasionally it is Beyonce, which is quality, but still pop crap.

It's the game people that don't play games think of when they think of video games. When they find out you play video games, they go "Oh do you like Calls of Duties?" and I shrug, and feel bad because there are video games out that are works of love and art and worthy of admiration and renown. Call of Duty used to deserve those thing, but that time is long long past.

PS I don't really hate Call of Duty, I just think it is so overwhelmingly average.

@luv4hutch: I understand what you are trying to say, I guess. You misunderstand me though, I don't fault any game or product for selling well. However, I don't support games that are pushed out every year that don't really add much to the IP itself. You clearly feel more strongly about this series than I do, so I would rather not bring any argument of mine to your table. As it would certainly be endless. You see the game in a different light than I do. I said before, I don't really hate the series, I just don't see a reason to buy another one. There are other games I would rather spend my time and waste my money on.

New Call of Duty looks cool and all with that sci-fi shat, but im hyped for Battlefield. Battlefield is giving me that realistic battle i crave.

I don't mind call of duty, the campaign is usually very good 6-8 worth of fun but black ops 3 was the most boring piece of shit I have ever played...

Infinite warfare will be good because it's infinity ward this year

I've been indifferent to the series for years now, but Infinite Warfare looks really good. For multiplayer, I like Dice better, but the sp for this game looks fantastic.

Well, I'll wrap up with this. I not only enjoy the series, but I enjoy many of the more "artistic" games out there. I love Battlefield and Medal of Honor just as much. I love the old-school '90s shooters like Wolfenstein and all its successive games, Doom and all its successive games, Quake and all its successive games, Duke Nukem 3D (I also actually like Forever, though I admit it's nowhere near as good as the predecessor), Shadow Warrior (original and reboot), Blood and Redneck Rampage. Serious Sam is a wonderful and fun series that truly gets what made old-school shooters successful. Deus Ex is an incredible series that I enjoy, and I will love Mankind Divided. Halo is so iconic with great replay value and a gripping story. Far Cry's open-world style is just so fun, and the chance to play through it differently every time is a great draw. I love the BioShock series, as they truly helped make people realize that video games are an art form. Prey was so revolutionary, and I'm glad something is being done with it, even if the Blade Runner-esque sequel has been scrapped. Frontlines and Homefront were incredible near-masterpiece. And with all this, I proudly place every Call of Duty game in there, and enjoy this series just as much as all the others. I always get my money's worth.

They could always go back to the Revolutionary war and give everyone miniguns

You joke, I know, but seriously? I've always wanted a game that did that. Like The Final Countdown, but an FPS...robbing stagecoaches with machine guns...battling Knights of the Round Table with a chain saw...driving a tank and killing dinosaurs.

The only problem is how do you create balance, how do you make it so the opposing side has some sort of advantage? You can't just go back with all your modern weapons and technology and slay stuff unopposed, that's no fun...

CoD has become the institution.

To many gamers, it encompasses everything wrong with the industry today: mindless shooting (though I don't agree with this, it takes skill), annual "cash grabs", obligatory, rote entries, paid online, dealing with bratty children and prejudice over voice chat, among others. Right or wrong, it's the scapegoat for gamers' virulence. It's the Bieber of gaming.

Last one I played was 2. I remember playing Medal of Honor, before it became CoD (or the developers moved, I forget which). It's alright, but as someone noted, it is incredibly average.

In my opinion, they are trying to change, they're trying something new, probably in 2-3 years they'll get back to the old school CoD, but now they wanna get people's attention with something new, I'm a big fan of CoD and in every CoD I see a good concept but noot very well develop.

I don't have nothing against the new CoD, I saw the gameplay trailer and the graphics looked the same as BO3, but in space, I will give a try and it comes out and it will be a CoD, it will be the same feeling, if you don't like, don't play and if you like the CoD franchise and you're unsure, watch some videos to make sure and then you decide if you should buy or not?

I got every single COD game since the PS2/Xbox, actually, I have all the CODs for both PS3 and X360, got it for PS4 and I can't wait for COD IW ( already pre ordered it ), always had fun playing COD.

Yeah I never understood it either. My gaming library has room for both BF games and COD games. Both shooters play extremely different from one another and I like them both.

COD is a good series, always has been. Say what you want about development choices, they've all been fun to play and have an extremely high replayability factor which makes them a staple in my library.

The main gripe people have is with it's annual release cycle with from what they perceive to be minimal changes made to the game. Not realizing that this is the case with almost ANY game that has a series. All Uncharted's play and feel the same. All Gears of Wars play and feel the same, etc.