What games aren't you getting because of restrictions/passes?

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#1 Invisible_Kid2
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For me, it's RAGE. I liked Borderlands, Fallout 3/NV and thought RAGE was going to be awesome. But I'm not getting it because of the restricted content unless bought new. If WWE 12 makes you put in a code to access online, I won't purchase that either. I haven't really played or been excited for a wrestling game like this since SVR07.

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#2 Archangel3371  Online
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I buy my games new so there's really no reason to not buy games with online passes or codes.
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#4 Jackc8
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Online passes don't bother me at all. If I think a game is worth it, I buy it when it's released. If I'm only somewhat interested, I buy it when it hits the bargain bin.

Why buy used anyway? If you're capable of shopping around, the savings is insignificant. Only people who are slaves to Gamestop have any problems with that.

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I don't think that many, if any, people really understand how online passes are ruining and are going to ruin future games and the experience as a whole for gamers. The idea of the discussion was what games are you NOT getting because of online passes, season passes, or due to certain restrictions. Since I see this thread going no where in that direction, rather than people just saying "I BUY NEW!!! I don't care what goes on with the industry because I have the cash to be above people who buy used or rent, or borrow from a friend. Poor folk....*snub*" this should be locked.

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#7 jacoby9
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"I'm sorry. I should have stated that "if you have morals and want to help the common good for gamers in the long run, what games won't you buy new due to restrictions/passes/ect."

Yeah because people who buy games that they want new have no morals. Maybe the person calling people out because they dont agree with your opinion on passes and locked content on used games, is the one without morals. Support the people who make the game, not second hand sellers, who buy the games at pennies and resell them to you used for much much more than what they paid for.

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#8 Phantom_Leo
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Well said!

Took the words right out of my mouth!

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#9 James161324
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Here we go again.

Online passes don't hurt gamers, If you buy it new its free. If you buy it used you have to pay 10 dollars. Big deal so you should get the same experience a person who buys it new should. Guess what the devs get nothing on that used copy you bought

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I don't think that many, if any, people really understand how online passes are ruining and are going to ruin future games and the experience as a whole for gamers. The idea of the discussion was what games are you NOT getting because of online passes, season passes, or due to certain restrictions. Since I see this thread going no where in that direction, rather than people just saying "I BUY NEW!!! I don't care what goes on with the industry because I have the cash to be above people who buy used or rent, or borrow from a friend. Poor folk....*snub*" this should be locked.

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Yes because that's exactly what I said. :roll: No I buy new because all the stores where I live there is only a $5 difference between new and used game prices and sometimes you can actually find new games for cheaper due to sales. Also it's not even so much about the money either I just prefer buying my games in new condition. My morals are just fine btw.
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#11 BlackDevil99
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so far they haven't affected me at all, if i really want a game i'm buying it when it comes out, or when it's in the $10 bargain bin (or one of steam's kick-ass sales)
though I am not pleased with them (as if that matters to the industry)

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"I'm sorry. I should have stated that "if you have morals and want to help the common good for gamers in the long run, what games won't you buy new due to restrictions/passes/ect."

Yeah because people who buy games that they want new have no morals. Maybe the person calling people out because they dont agree with your opinion on passes and locked content on used games, is the one without morals. Support the people who make the game, not second hand sellers, who buy the games at pennies and resell them to you used for much much more than what they paid for.

jacoby9

Here is someone who I agree 100% with on passes, season passes, ect. http://www.youtube.com/user/L1Games People who buy games new, that require you to have a code to access already in games features, have no morals and don't care about the future of gaming, or fellow gamers in the long run.

Here we go again.

Online passes don't hurt gamers, If you buy it new its free. If you buy it used you have to pay 10 dollars. Big deal so you should get the same experience a person who buys it new should. Guess what the devs get nothing on that used copy you bought

James161324

They got the money from the person who bought the game originally. Also, if you buy DLC, they get money. The general idea behind "hey, it's only $10" is that devs are poor, living in shacks, eating roman. They're making more than probably anyone in this thread, maybe all combined. Should they, yes. They bring tons of joy and entertainment to people for their ideas and hard work. Should they milk the system by pricing features that used to be free? No. Free online for used games isn't new, neither is borrowing, renting or buying used. It's a way for companies to screw the costumer over more.

TC you pretty much lost everyone. Your post about morals was some BS.
Online pass isn't an issue and infact if you knew anything you would knowGamespot is bad for the indusrty. But you know, opinion is opinion...

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It actually is. Making people pay for something that should have been included in the game, whether it be day one dlc, or online for used copies, is just bad business ethics. People who support online pass also support those ethics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF9oqspzWcY&feature=relmfu

funny, sarcastic look at online pass. Sad part is, this is probably how some actually think.

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#14 contracts420
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Probably Rage, to have single player content locked out is just BS. Even though I do buy new. I hate the idea of online passes. Eventually we will only be able to buy games through downloadable services like Steam and Live and PStore and we will have to pay seperate for whatever functions we want in the game, plus DLC and so on so forth. Gaming as a whole is going down the toilet. All thanks to this whole online fad, multiplayer fad, and the fact that so many people just buy used and can't be bothered to get up and go to the store to pick up a new copy.

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#15 phantomblade220
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I have no problem with Online Pass. And sorry bro but "boycotting" online pass will do nothing. The people who share your sentiments strongly enough are so few in the minority. It would ever change publisher's stance on it. Online pass is here to stay.

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Not getting Diablo 3 or Battlefield 3 because of always-on authentication and high price. Also because of BF3's preorder dlc.
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#18 Overlord93
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Battlefield 3 Firstly, because of the online pass, then secondly, because the lame excuse they gave for having it.
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#19 Tykain
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I don't really care about online passes, i always buy new anyways.
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#20 Piroshki
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Passing on Rage for that very reason. You wanna lock out online for used gamers? No problem, I despise online gaming anyway. But starting to lock portions of the SP mode? No. I can't support that.
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#21 Moriarity_
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Probably Rage. Even though I always buy new it irks me that devs/publishers have the gall to lock out sp content. I actually have a bigger issue with dlc that should be included with the game(I.E. day 1 dlc) and over intrusive drm.
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#22 Invisible_Kid2
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Says the kid who probably pays $60 a year to play on XBL. Do you buy map packs as well? XBL has been charging yearly for online passes since the beginning of XBOX. I totally understand what your saying but if you pay for XBL, buy overpriced DLC then you would be a hipocrite. The difference between a new game & used is about $5 so there is no reason not to buy new. Devs don't make near as much money as you think & costs for games are skyrocketing. The movie industry makes money from the box office, devs only make money when you buy games. To support the game industry you must buy. Period. Not used. Studios are shutting down all the time because of money. To complain about supporting these people who made the game you playing is ridiculous. It cost money to make games, so if you don't pay for games then they can't make games cuz they're out of the job. In this day in age when every game takes years of time, quadrillion dollars to make . . . . every penny counts. The devs make enough for toothpaste & peanut butter. I don't know why you have it in your head that they're rolling in dough, espescially when every little spoiled brat will skip any game that doesn't get a 9.5 or has cod on the box. Jeez. I don't like online passes for the reason that they're only good for one gamertag. that's my beef with it. You can't skip games because of an online pass. That's ridiculous.brucecambell
I don't have an xbox. Used to, but I haven't had one for about a year now. Do you know how much EA made in 2009? $4.212 BILLION dollars. So you're telling me that devs are only living on peanut butter and can barely afford toothpaste?
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#23 andrewrosati
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I don't mind it much, I just only by games used when they don't have some sort of restriction or pass that I would get if I bought it new. Otherwise I'll just get it new, I usually do anyway.

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#24 DecadesOfGaming
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its a game for gods sake, not the end of the world.. buy it new once the price drops coz the only one missing out on a great experience will be ''you''

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#25 muppen
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I always buy my games new because I like to support the people who made them so online passes doesn't affect me at all.

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#26 brucecambell
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"I don't have an xbox. Used to, but I haven't had one for about a year now. Do you know how much EA made in 2009? $4.212 BILLION dollars. So you're telling me that devs are only living on peanut butter and can barely afford toothpaste?" EA is a business. They're a company, a publisher. Their probably the biggest publisher. They have a gazillion great games under their name. That money has absolutely nothing to with developers. It means EA is doing good business. Do you think cause EA is doing we financially that they're going to give a billion dollar bonus check to the sweat shop developers? No. BTW that money is what EA as a business has earned, it's not all profit. It cost buck loads of money to keep studios up & running. Games these days take years & millions of dollars to make. Kids these days seem to only care about cod & halo. When games cost as much as they do nowadays its important to sell millions of copies but guess what? Only cod, halo, gears, gta & bf [big blockbusters] are selling well enough to churn a profit. Like i said its really expensives to make games & not enough sales to back up these games. Now i cant speak for every game but at about 2.5 million copies sold [maybe more] youve probably broke even. Now if you want to keep your job & make another game . . . . better hope you show some real profit in sales otherwise the publisher isnt going to keep you around very long if they're putting millions of dollars into your studio with nothing to show for it. One game that doesn sell can kill your studio & your job. I fully understand not wanting to pay for online passes but bottom line is . . . . you cant buy used. Buy new. Support gaming!!! The real problem is the fact that these passes are only good for one gamertag. Thats nonsense.
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http://n4g.com/news/847836/are-used-games-hurting-the-industry They're seriously shooting themselves in the foot with passes.
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#28 T_REX305
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Don't care for online pass. I only bought 1 game that was used and I had no interest in its online.

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#29 Elann2008
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You just restricted yourself because you believe these are restrictions. You should buy games new. You're not helping the developer/publishers out and you're definitely not helping us gamers because we'll probably never continue to see games from the developers we love. Used games sales will only push publishers to go fully digital distribution anyways. So used game buyers, keep digging your own grave because you will be lying in it. Thank you in advance. ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ms0eKErDI&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5DDdKsqddE&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pG8fHSagvo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF9oqspzWcY&feature=related

Have fun with your digital downloads. Especially when you tell a friend that you have 'X' game and he/she asks to borrow it. Or you're just a few dollars shy of buying a game and you can't trade in your downloads. Or if you sell a console and the buyer doesn't care about any of the games on your HDD. Same when you take it to a retailer who buys/trades used games and consoles.

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#31 Elann2008
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ms0eKErDI&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5DDdKsqddE&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pG8fHSagvo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF9oqspzWcY&feature=related

Have fun with your digital downloads. Especially when you tell a friend that you have 'X' game and he/she asks to borrow it. Or you're just a few dollars shy of buying a game and you can't trade in your downloads. Or if you sell a console and the buyer doesn't care about any of the games on your HDD. Same when you take it to a retailer who buys/trades used games and consoles.

Invisible_Kid2
I would tell my friend to go buy the game and explain why it's important for us to support the developers. If I'm a few dollars shy of buying a game, I wouldn't buy it in the first place. And that goes for every game digital or physical. What's your point there? Uhhh weird. Anyways. The only general retailer that buys and trades used games is Gamestop and the equivalent like Ebgames or whatever. There are only Gamestops in my city area. And I don't buy/sell/trade games and/or consoles with them. That's the point, I want the buying/selling/trading of used games to stop. That's hurting the developers and publishers. Get it? ;)
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#32 Invisible_Kid2
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[QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ms0eKErDI&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5DDdKsqddE&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pG8fHSagvo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF9oqspzWcY&feature=related

Have fun with your digital downloads. Especially when you tell a friend that you have 'X' game and he/she asks to borrow it. Or you're just a few dollars shy of buying a game and you can't trade in your downloads. Or if you sell a console and the buyer doesn't care about any of the games on your HDD. Same when you take it to a retailer who buys/trades used games and consoles.

Elann2008
I would tell my friend to go buy the game and explain why it's important for us to support the developers. If I'm a few dollars shy of buying a game, I wouldn't buy it in the first place. And that goes for every game digital or physical. What's your point there? Uhhh weird. Anyways. The only general retailer that buys and trades used games is Gamestop and the equivalent like Ebgames or whatever. There are only Gamestops in my city area. And I don't buy/sell/trade games and/or consoles with them. That's the point, I want the buying/selling/trading of used games to stop. That's hurting the developers and publishers. Get it? ;)

Why is video game devs the ones who are locking content and are pulling the "we're not getting paid by you buying used copies of our product". If anything, there would be a larger outcry from the movie and music industry.
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#33 MLBknights58
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Doesn't affect me at all really. If I'm really interested in a game, I'll buy it new, like i did Deus Ex, Gears 3, and NCAA 12. Broke my bank account for sure, but I'm set for quite a while. I buy a lot of used games too. And you know what? I sleep fine at night. Online passes don't really bother me because if I don't care enough to buy a game brand new, chances are when I buy it used I'll play it once, then shelf it. I'm more of a single player gamer too so the restrictions set in place have no real meaning to me. Good business move when you really look at it, no need to starve yourself of entertainment out of some internal argument with yourself and the gaming industry. So to sum up and answer the question, the answer is none, I will not be missing out on any good games I deem worthy of purchase.

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#34 DarkCatalyst
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Love all the salty comments I'm seeing directed toward gamers who actually have money. Your tears are DELICIOUS.
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#35 Metamania
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You guys are going to pass on Rage and BF3, as least some of you, right? That's OK. I'll be getting both games and I'll be the one enjoying the game, brand-new and ready to go, while you're missing out. :)

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#36 TheOtherTheoG
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Batman Arkham City, because it has Games for Windows Live, and I hate Games for Windows Live, lividly.

*shudders*

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#37 ch2423
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[QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ms0eKErDI&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5DDdKsqddE&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pG8fHSagvo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF9oqspzWcY&feature=related

Have fun with your dgital downloads. Especially when you tell a friend that you have 'X' game and he/she asks to borrow it. Or you're just a few dollars shy of buying a game and you can't trade in your downloads. Or if you sell a console and the buyer doesn't care about any of the games on your HDD. Same when you take it to a retailer who buys/trades used games and consoles.

Elann2008
I would tell my friend to go buy the game and explain why it's important for us to support the developers. If I'm a few dollars shy of buying a game, I wouldn't buy it in the first place. And that goes for every game digital or physical. What's your point there? Uhhh weird. Anyways. The only general retailer that buys and trades used games is Gamestop and the equivalent like Ebgames or whatever. There are only Gamestops in my city area. And I don't buy/sell/trade games and/or consoles with them. That's the point, I want the buying/selling/trading of used games to stop. That's hurting the developers and publishers. Get it? ;)

lol, used game sales don't hurt developers. Silly gullible masses.
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#38 Invisible_Kid2
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I was doing some googling and found an interesting take.

Saying that developers are hurt by used games is like saying the agricultural market is being hurt by you growing your own tomatoes in your backyard.

Is it true that developer lose money if you buy a used game? Yes, they do lose a bit because instead of gaining a profit percentage from someone buying a new copy but yet they still gained money from the +original+ copy bought.

Is it enough to harm them? No and here's why:

Used games only exist if people buy +new+ copies. The developers gain money from those new copies and a vast majority of the time, the developer gains enough money from the first round of new copies to cover the costs of the game's development, printing, shipping, etc...and still walk away with enough of a profit to expand their company.

While it is true that some people do buy newly released games, from experience I've mainly see people buy used games that are older titles with a lot of them being games that are no longer in print new. You mean to tell me that a developer is going to constantly printing new copies of a five year old game so I can buy it new? The answer is simply no because the developer would lose +more+ money from reprinting than they do from me buying their five year old game (which by that time is probably worth 75% less than when it was first released).

Used games have been around for over a decade and we have yet to see any company go bankrupt because of used game sales. So far, the main reason why we've seen a company fold was due to law suits, mergers, or their games just losing quality or not holding gamers' interests to even make them by them in the first place. (I miss you so much, Clover...)

Hell, used game sales can even help increase new sales for a developer. Say you buy a used copy of 'This Game'. You played it, loved it, and then shortly after beating it you found out that the developer is going to be releasing a sequel or a game with similar gameplay. Chances are your interest in the game is going to be so great that you're going to rush out and buy a new copy of the new game.

If you don't believe me, let me give you an example: The Grand Theft Auto games are a popular series for people to buy used, yet, the Grand Theft Auto IV walked away with selling 3.6 million copies on their first day gaining (roughly $216 million on its first day); they had sold 10 million copies a few months after the game's release. All those copies were new. Since then, people have bought used copies of Grand Theft Auto IV and will continue to buy them, yet there is no news anywhere about RockStar going bankrupt due to low game sales.

The fact of the matter is: people will always buy new games. The desire to have a brand copy the day of its release is too great for most people to pass up. Why it isn't uncommon for people to just buy new copies over used copies because they feel that saving $5 isn't worth having a copy that might not have a manual with it. People will always buy used games because not everyone can afford a new game or because the game might not even exist in new copies.

Yet, developers will continue to make money and will be able to continue to support themselves. Especially with the growing market of microtransactions. So what if someone buys a used copy of Halo 3? Bungie still makes money off of the buyer buying the maps. And the income doesn't stop with game content. Every t-shirt, hat, wallet or item you buy that is tied to a game, the company still gets a small profit from it due to them owning the rights.

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#39 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ms0eKErDI&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5DDdKsqddE&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pG8fHSagvo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF9oqspzWcY&feature=related

Have fun with your dgital downloads. Especially when you tell a friend that you have 'X' game and he/she asks to borrow it. Or you're just a few dollars shy of buying a game and you can't trade in your downloads. Or if you sell a console and the buyer doesn't care about any of the games on your HDD. Same when you take it to a retailer who buys/trades used games and consoles.

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I would tell my friend to go buy the game and explain why it's important for us to support the developers. If I'm a few dollars shy of buying a game, I wouldn't buy it in the first place. And that goes for every game digital or physical. What's your point there? Uhhh weird. Anyways. The only general retailer that buys and trades used games is Gamestop and the equivalent like Ebgames or whatever. There are only Gamestops in my city area. And I don't buy/sell/trade games and/or consoles with them. That's the point, I want the buying/selling/trading of used games to stop. That's hurting the developers and publishers. Get it? ;)

lol, used game sales don't hurt developers. Silly gullible masses.

When you could have contributed $ to them by buying new... you didn't at all because you chose to buy a game used. Companies need money to stay afloat. You're being narrow-minded thinking they grow money on trees in their backyard or something. Not all companies sell tons of games like Activision. How many developer studios have been shutdown? Tons... people laid off. I don't think you realize how much it costs to develop games. The amount of people that need to paid.. Not only do they have to pay their main employees, they have to pay the legal team and other overhead costs. While all that, retailers like Gamestop are taking a nice chunk for every NEW game sold and they are also making most of their money from used games that publishers/developers never see. You can confide yourself thinking it's okay or cool to buy used, leeching off the "masses." If that makes you sleep better at night.

@Invisible_Kid2 There's no proof in that blog? Articile? Just an opinion of a man/woman with no supporting facts. Just a poor and generalized assumption of something that is not true at all.


Even if a person waited for a game to go on sale but he/she bought it new, devs would still see some of that money. Just wait till all games go digital.. You'll be singing a different tune. It's not hard to figure out.

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#40 Cataclism
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I must say I never heard of this "online pass" thing.

Is this a console thing? I have a PS3 but mainly play on the pc and only buy games for the Ps3 when they drop in price so I don't have any recent games. And most of them are single player. I also always buy games new but haven't encountered many games like this.

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#41 CrimsonpugTwo
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I was doing some googling and found an interesting take.

Saying that developers are hurt by used games is like saying the agricultural market is being hurt by you growing your own tomatoes in your backyard.

Is it true that developer lose money if you buy a used game? Yes, they do lose a bit because instead of gaining a profit percentage from someone buying a new copy but yet they still gained money from the +original+ copy bought.

Is it enough to harm them? No and here's why:

Used games only exist if people buy +new+ copies. The developers gain money from those new copies and a vast majority of the time, the developer gains enough money from the first round of new copies to cover the costs of the game's development, printing, shipping, etc...and still walk away with enough of a profit to expand their company.

While it is true that some people do buy newly released games, from experience I've mainly see people buy used games that are older titles with a lot of them being games that are no longer in print new. You mean to tell me that a developer is going to constantly printing new copies of a five year old game so I can buy it new? The answer is simply no because the developer would lose +more+ money from reprinting than they do from me buying their five year old game (which by that time is probably worth 75% less than when it was first released).

Used games have been around for over a decade and we have yet to see any company go bankrupt because of used game sales. So far, the main reason why we've seen a company fold was due to law suits, mergers, or their games just losing quality or not holding gamers' interests to even make them by them in the first place. (I miss you so much, Clover...)

Hell, used game sales can even help increase new sales for a developer. Say you buy a used copy of 'This Game'. You played it, loved it, and then shortly after beating it you found out that the developer is going to be releasing a sequel or a game with similar gameplay. Chances are your interest in the game is going to be so great that you're going to rush out and buy a new copy of the new game.

If you don't believe me, let me give you an example: The Grand Theft Auto games are a popular series for people to buy used, yet, the Grand Theft Auto IV walked away with selling 3.6 million copies on their first day gaining (roughly $216 million on its first day); they had sold 10 million copies a few months after the game's release. All those copies were new. Since then, people have bought used copies of Grand Theft Auto IV and will continue to buy them, yet there is no news anywhere about RockStar going bankrupt due to low game sales.

The fact of the matter is: people will always buy new games. The desire to have a brand copy the day of its release is too great for most people to pass up. Why it isn't uncommon for people to just buy new copies over used copies because they feel that saving $5 isn't worth having a copy that might not have a manual with it. People will always buy used games because not everyone can afford a new game or because the game might not even exist in new copies.

Yet, developers will continue to make money and will be able to continue to support themselves. Especially with the growing market of microtransactions. So what if someone buys a used copy of Halo 3? Bungie still makes money off of the buyer buying the maps. And the income doesn't stop with game content. Every t-shirt, hat, wallet or item you buy that is tied to a game, the company still gets a small profit from it due to them owning the rights.

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That is COMPLETE BS. The whole "the developers get money because used copies were bought once" is just a crappy excuse that used game buyers use to justify what they are doing. Sure - the publishers and developers may have gotten $$ from that one game sale, but they aren't getting anything from your sale. YOU are buying a copy of their game as well, which should also benefit the developers since THEY CREATED THE GAME, instead you choose to ignore the creators of the game and give benefit to the store that is selling it. So even though 2 people have purchased and enjoyed the game, the people responsible only get credit for 1 of those sales. And it IS sales lost as alll those people who bought the used copy would have bought it new if the used game market didn't exist. Think about it this way.. if a game sells 500,000 new copies and half of those are returned and sold as used that is 250,000 sales of the game that the developer won't get paid for. A game that sells 500,000 copies is looked at as a failure by some, while a game that sells 750,000 is a moderate success.

The right and proper thing to do is to have Gamestop or Best Buy or whoever it is that is buying and selling these used games pay a percentage of their used sales BACK to the developers. Not a HUGE percentage like a NEW game sale, but 5 or 10%. This would make the sale of used games less of a loss in the eyes of the developers and publishers. But that will never happen. So the developers have to try and do what they can to earn some kind of profit off of these used games. Is the "online" pass or holding back single player portions the proper way to do it? Perhaps not, but at least it will never affect anyone who buy the game legitimately.

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#42 Cataclism
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Wow, you people are really worked up about this.

But seriously common, if the used games marked was really that bad game companies wouldn't be as big as they are, they would have gone bankrupt a long time ago.
The music industry doesn't complain about second hand Cds, the furniture industry doesn't complain about second hand furniture and neither does the movie industry.

Why the bloody hell does the Game industry? And for what mind boggling reason are you people actually defending them as if all this BS was actually true?

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[QUOTE="ch2423"][QUOTE="Elann2008"] lol, used game sales don't hurt developers. Silly gullible masses. Elann2008

When you could have contributed $ to them by buying new... you didn't at all because you chose to buy a game used. Companies need money to stay afloat. You're being narrow-minded thinking they grow money on trees in their backyard or something. Not all companies sell tons of games like Activision. How many developer studios have been shutdown? Tons... people laid off. I don't think you realize how much it costs to develop games. The amount of people that need to paid.. Not only do they have to pay their main employees, they have to pay the legal team and other overhead costs. While all that, retailers like Gamestop are taking a nice chunk for every NEW game sold and they are also making most of their money from used games that publishers/developers never see. You can confide yourself thinking it's okay or cool to buy used, leeching off the "masses." If that makes you sleep better at night.

@Invisible_Kid2 There's no proof in that blog? Articile? Just an opinion of a man/woman with no supporting facts. Just a poor and generalized assumption of something that is not true at all.


Even if a person waited for a game to go on sale but he/she bought it new, devs would still see some of that money. Just wait till all games go digital.. You'll be singing a different tune. It's not hard to figure out.

I'll ask again. Why are video games the only ones being 'hurt' by used sales, so much so that they have to lock out content? Also, what companies have gone bankrupt due to used game sales being the main reason for money loss, and not because they were producing a product that the public didn't like or that a larger company bought them out? I'd like to see links.

Wow, you people are really worked up about this.

But seriously common, if the used games marked was really that bad game companies wouldn't be as big as they are, they would have gone bankrupt a long time ago.
The music industry doesn't complain about second hand Cds, the furniture industry doesn't complain about second hand furniture and neither does the movie industry.

Why the bloody hell does the Game industry? And for what mind boggling reason are you people actually defending them as if all this BS was actually true?

Cataclism

That's what I would like to know also. They're getting screwed and LOVING it for some reason. People buy used games for 2 reasons. The new version is out of print 'new' or they're trying to save money. If DVD/Bluerays started doing this (locking out deleted scenes special features unless you entered a code only found in new copies) people wouldn't take it lightly. For some reason, gamers are willing to.

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The retailer already purchased games from themanufacturer. Why should they also have to give them money from used sales? That's double dipping. It's just like you buying a sandwhich. You give it to a friend. Should you or your friend have to give back to the place you bought it from? Or if a dealership buys a car brand new from the manufacturer. They sell it new. The people who buy it turn around and sell it back, or trade it in at the same dealership. Should the dealership have to give a percentage back to the manufactuer or maker of the car? No. That's double dipping. Double Jeopardy of purchases so to speak.

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#44 sydstoner
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fifa 11, homefront, need for speed hot pursuit, resistance 3 and mortal kombat are the games ive boycotted because of this. i can cope with free content, characters even maps for buying new, but never the entire online mode.
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#45 lensflare15
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Mortal Kombat or BF3. Except I might still get MK used...

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Anything with Securom, limited installations and online only for what should otherwise be a singleplayer game.

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I was going to buy Forza 4 until I heard about season pass. I thought about it and hey I don't need Forza 4 at this time.
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I was going to buy Forza 4 until I heard about season pass. I thought about it and hey I don't need Forza 4 at this time.istuffedsunny
o_O Wow, I'm not sure what it would be like to not need Forza 4.
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I wasn't going to get Rage, but I'm reconsidering because I'll get it for free practically. Won't be getting Battlefield 3 for the time being because of Origin.