Which console did the biggest jump compared to the predecessor, technically?

N64, easily imo. Compared to SNES, it was a massive jump, technically. Basically the core SNES was pretty much a 2D-only machine (only capable of halfway decent 3D performance via additional chips like the Super FX) while the N64 could do real, textured and smooth 3D graphics. The jump is even bigger if we count in the 32X, which was a gimped Saturn so to speak. PS2 was pretty massive jump too, but it mostly fixed what was wrong with PS1 (like pixely, warping graphics) and increased the poly count by millions. Same with the GameCube which mostly fixed what was wrong with N64 (small carts, difficult programing). Altho the HD twins (360 and PS3) are both pretty massive jumps aswell. But they didn't bring anything more than HD graphics while the jump from 2D to 3D was indeed the biggest imo.

Gotta prove you wrong and just say the Atari Jaguar owns this crown.:P

I probably agree about the N64. Even with the added processor the best that the SNES did was starfox. Going from that and 2D sprites to open worlds like Banjo and Zelda is pretty amazing.

The Xbox was a pretty massive jump over the previous generation too. It was even a pretty massive leap over the DC.

Gotta prove you wrong and just say the Atari Jaguar owns this crown.:P

Heirren

Didn't think of that, I admit :P

Still Jaguar's 3D performance was quite poor compared to other 3D capable consoles of the era.

ya probably SNES -----> N64 that was a huge change at the time

snes > n64

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Gotta prove you wrong and just say the Atari Jaguar owns this crown.:P

nameless12345

Didn't think of that, I admit :P

Still Jaguar's 3D performance was quite poor compared to other 3D capable consoles of the era.

That was more of a joke, as the Jaguar was an attempt to re-enter the console market. But yes, that aside, the N64 for sure. Imagine if it wasn't delayed as much as it was and launched at the same time as the psx.

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Gotta prove you wrong and just say the Atari Jaguar owns this crown.:P

Heirren

Didn't think of that, I admit :P

Still Jaguar's 3D performance was quite poor compared to other 3D capable consoles of the era.

That was more of a joke, as the Jaguar was an attempt to re-enter the console market. But yes, that aside, the N64 for sure. Imagine if it wasn't delayed as much as it was and launched at the same time as the psx.

the jump from snes to n64.

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Didn't think of that, I admit :P

Still Jaguar's 3D performance was quite poor compared to other 3D capable consoles of the era.

Darkman2007

That was more of a joke, as the Jaguar was an attempt to re-enter the console market. But yes, that aside, the N64 for sure. Imagine if it wasn't delayed as much as it was and launched at the same time as the psx.

and?

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That was more of a joke, as the Jaguar was an attempt to re-enter the console market. But yes, that aside, the N64 for sure. Imagine if it wasn't delayed as much as it was and launched at the same time as the psx.

Heirren

and?

I probably agree about the N64. Even with the added processor the best that the SNES did was starfox. Going from that and 2D sprites to open worlds like Banjo and Zelda is pretty amazing.

The Xbox was a pretty massive jump over the previous generation too. It was even a pretty massive leap over the DC.

magnax1

As soon as I saw the topic I thought N64. I am honestly surprised that noone came here to argue the Saturn. The Xbox was a monster but it had no predacessor.

I mean my jaw literally dropped to the floor playing Banjo Kazooie... To this day it remains plastered in my mind as the first 3D game (even though it is not but just as I played it first).

I mean and WOW at Conker's graphics, that could easily pass for a ps2 game.

well I'd have to say from NES to SNES. Look at Super mario bros compared to Doom or Starfox. That's a bigger jump than from SNES to N64. or if you look at portables look at the jump from Gameboy to Gameboy Advance. HUGE jump.

SNES to N64. I'll never forget aslong as i live the very first time i saw mario 64, i was quite literally gobsmacked by it and couldnt believe it was a game and not a cartoon i was watching.

Good times indeed:D

SNES to N64. I'll never forget aslong as i live the very first time i saw mario 64, i was quite literally gobsmacked by it and couldnt believe it was a game and not a cartoon i was watching.

Good times indeed:D

l34052

I hear that. There was something special about the N64. The PSX had more arcade oriented games upon launching, the Saturn was lacking Sonic, but the N64 was the console that really carried over the love from the 16bit gen.

SNES to N64. I'll never forget aslong as i live the very first time i saw mario 64, i was quite literally gobsmacked by it and couldnt believe it was a game and not a cartoon i was watching.

Good times indeed:D

l34052

SNES > N64. I was completely gob-smacked when I first saw Super Mario 64 back in the day.

I mean and WOW at Conker's graphics, that could easily pass for a ps2 game.

Banjo_Kongfooie

I lol'ed.

Super Nintendo 16bit - Nintendo 64 64bit. From 2D with traditional controls, Making the jump to 3D with analog controls. Plus 2 controller ports to 4 controller ports. Even though analog control and controller extra ports are not part of "processing power" they do contribute to an advance from SNES.

well Im going to have to join the somewhat uniform answer of SNES to N64 , though I would kind of expand that to the general 5th gen , like the Mega Drive to Saturn leap (the 32X isnt really a new console) , or even the Atari 7800 to Jaguar leap.

well I'd have to say from NES to SNES. Look at Super mario bros compared to Doom or Starfox. That's a bigger jump than from SNES to N64.

Talldude80

Actually NES could do ray-casting (the graphics technique used in Wolfenstein 3D and Doom) and even simple, wireframe 3D graphics (see Elite). And that was the stock console with no extra chips like the SNES had. Without the Super FX chip, neither Doom nor Star Fox would be possible on the SNES.

As for GB to GBA, you're forgetting the GBC which came in between them. Altho the GBA was indeed impressive for a handheld.

saturn to dreamcast. by far

saturn to dreamcast. by far

bultje112

PS2 was a bigger jump compared to PS1. Altho it's true that the jump in graphics DC did was quite dramatic.

Yeah, for one console maker, I am going to go w/ the SNES to N64 jump for all the reason previously mentioned. I'd also the jump from the 16-bit/4th Gen to the 5th Gen was the biggest jump overall. There was 3D on the 16-bit systems and before (even on Atari) but it's hard to argue that the 5th Gen wasn't when it really came into it's own. Still, if you start considering all consoles from all makers, it is not like 3D took over overnight w/ the release of any one particular console.

For handhelds, the big jump was from GBA to DS, I'd say. GBA really feels just like a much better version of GB/GBC wheras the DS is a whole new thing.

For handhelds, the big jump was from GBA to DS, I'd say. GBA really feels just like a much better version of GB/GBC wheras the DS is a whole new thing.

logicalfrank

That's interesting because I feel the jump from GBA to DS wasn't really that big. GBA could already do some very decent 3D graphics on it's own while the DS, altho not bad for it's time, wasn't quite what Nintendo promised. They said it'll be a "N64 Turbo", but it didn't even have texture filtering and stuff like that.

With a 3D chip, the GBA could easily display graphics as good as the PS1, imo.

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For handhelds, the big jump was from GBA to DS, I'd say. GBA really feels just like a much better version of GB/GBC wheras the DS is a whole new thing.

nameless12345

That's interesting because I feel the jump from GBA to DS wasn't really that big. GBA could already do some very decent 3D graphics on it's own while the DS, altho not bad for it's time, wasn't quite what Nintendo promised. They said it'll be a "N64 Turbo", but it didn't even have texture filtering and stuff like that.

With a 3D chip, the GBA could easily display graphics as good as the PS1, imo.

I guess it might help to qualify what is meant by "technically." I am factoring things in here like the touchscreen, which is also a technical advance... er, technically. That said, I still think the GBA seems pretty comparable to SNES graphics-wise and the DS closer to N64 so it's the same jump but definitely not as dramatic. If you could say the jump from GBA to PSP, even though they are different companies, I'd say that'd be the best choice.

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For handhelds, the big jump was from GBA to DS, I'd say. GBA really feels just like a much better version of GB/GBC wheras the DS is a whole new thing.

logicalfrank

That's interesting because I feel the jump from GBA to DS wasn't really that big. GBA could already do some very decent 3D graphics on it's own while the DS, altho not bad for it's time, wasn't quite what Nintendo promised. They said it'll be a "N64 Turbo", but it didn't even have texture filtering and stuff like that.

With a 3D chip, the GBA could easily display graphics as good as the PS1, imo.

I guess it might help to qualify what is meant by "technically." I am factoring things in here like the touchscreen, which is also a technical advance... er, technically.

Well, if you count in the dual screens and touch screen, the DS was indeed a big step up from the GBA.

You're a little wrong on GBA being "just" a portable SNES. And the 64 still packed more power than the DS.

Here's Resident Evil 2 on the GBA - ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-htyTk-Ij3M

Here's Resident Evil 2 on the GBA - ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-htyTk-Ij3M

SpikeyAss

And here is "MGS" for the GBA:

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GBA was fully capable of decent 3D on it's own so it would be interesting if they designed it more in favour of 3D.

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Here's Resident Evil 2 on the GBA - ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-htyTk-Ij3M

nameless12345

And here is "MGS" for the GBA:

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GBA was fully capable of decent 3D on it's own so it would be interesting if they designed it more in favour of 3D.

I don't buy it.

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Here's Resident Evil 2 on the GBA - ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-htyTk-Ij3M

Heirren

And here is "MGS" for the GBA:

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GBA was fully capable of decent 3D on it's own so it would be interesting if they designed it more in favour of 3D.

I don't buy it.

What do you mean? This is a real-time tech demo.

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And here is "MGS" for the GBA:

Click

GBA was fully capable of decent 3D on it's own so it would be interesting if they designed it more in favour of 3D.

nameless12345

I don't buy it.

What do you mean? This is a real-time tech demo.

I don't buy that it is on finalized GBA hardware.

Here's another demo of the engine:

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Quite amazing for the GBA.

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I don't buy it.

Heirren

What do you mean? This is a real-time tech demo.

I don't buy that it is on finalized GBA hardware.

Well, of course tech demo and final game aren't the same thing, but the potential was there.

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

What do you mean? This is a real-time tech demo.

nameless12345

I don't buy that it is on finalized GBA hardware.

Well, of course tech demo and final game aren't the same thing, but the potential was there.

I think we ultimately would have seen games like that, if it was the case. The gba was supported long enough after the ds was released to warrant such releases, as well.

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I don't buy that it is on finalized GBA hardware.

Heirren

Well, of course tech demo and final game aren't the same thing, but the potential was there.

I think we ultimately would have seen games like that, if it was the case. The gba was supported long enough after the ds was released to warrant such releases, as well.

Well it was capable of doing those tech demos without question, but you have to take note that there aren't any enemy AI.

Rather than focus on a particular system, I have previouslythought about which generation had the biggest jump. It would definately be from the 16 bit to the 32/64 bit era.

Here's another demo of the engine:

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Quite amazing for the GBA.

nameless12345

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saturn to dreamcast. by far

nameless12345

PS2 was a bigger jump compared to PS1. Altho it's true that the jump in graphics DC did was quite dramatic.

since dreamcast launch looked better than ps2 launch. no

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I don't buy that it is on finalized GBA hardware.

Heirren

Well, of course tech demo and final game aren't the same thing, but the potential was there.

I think we ultimately would have seen games like that, if it was the case. The gba was supported long enough after the ds was released to warrant such releases, as well.

It's because handheld games are devloped with a small budget.

A good example would be Crash Bandicoot. There's nothing on the DS like it. But if you read this article about it - ttp://all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/02/02/making-crash-bandicoot-part-1/ - there's nothing preventing the DS from using the same straming technique. But no DS developer would ever get a budget approved for it.

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I probably agree about the N64. Even with the added processor the best that the SNES did was starfox. Going from that and 2D sprites to open worlds like Banjo and Zelda is pretty amazing.

The Xbox was a pretty massive jump over the previous generation too. It was even a pretty massive leap over the DC.

Banjo_Kongfooie

As soon as I saw the topic I thought N64. I am honestly surprised that noone came here to argue the Saturn. The Xbox was a monster but it had no predacessor.

I mean my jaw literally dropped to the floor playing Banjo Kazooie... To this day it remains plastered in my mind as the first 3D game (even though it is not but just as I played it first).

I mean and WOW at Conker's graphics, that could easily pass for a ps2 game.

true the n64 did have amazing graphics. i thought conker and OoT/MM had amazing graphics at the time, they blew me away. but honestly in terms of control, zelda blew me away as it had the best controls for a 3d game at the time

I guess the SNES to N64. I mean look at Super Mario World and Super Mario 64. A huge leap to me.

to me the n64 didn't look much better than psx and saturn. it was so foggy and low resolution it didn't impress me at all. late ron games starte dlooking better but by then there was dreamcast. also pc looked alot better around 1996/1997

to me the n64 didn't look much better than psx and saturn. it was so foggy and low resolution it didn't impress me at all. late ron games starte dlooking better but by then there was dreamcast. also pc looked alot better around 1996/1997

bultje112

I think it's pretty senseless to compare the PC to consoles. For example a top-end PC back then was a Pentium II 450 with 32 megs of RAM and dual Voodoo 2 cards (each up to 12 megs of V-RAM) and such a system literally destroyed the PS1 and N64 in graphics. You had to wait untill the DC for really good console 3D graphics.

Gonna have to say Saturn to Dreamcast. Seriously.AirGuitarist87

Saturn could handle Shenmue tho:

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:P

N64 from SNES, and last gen (Dreamcast, PS2, XBOX, GC) from N64 era. Technically there is no HD. Just higher resolution.Kleeyook

Yes, HD is just higer-res. For example the Genesis/MD was considered HD back when it came out :)

Atari 7800 jumped into Atari Jaguar.DeafNYCPlayer

Technically that would be true, but there was no 16-bit Atari console. Then again, there was no 32-bit CD console from Nintendo either so you may have a point here.

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I probably agree about the N64. Even with the added processor the best that the SNES did was starfox. Going from that and 2D sprites to open worlds like Banjo and Zelda is pretty amazing.

The Xbox was a pretty massive jump over the previous generation too. It was even a pretty massive leap over the DC.

Banjo_Kongfooie

As soon as I saw the topic I thought N64. I am honestly surprised that noone came here to argue the Saturn. The Xbox was a monster but it had no predacessor.

I mean my jaw literally dropped to the floor playing Banjo Kazooie... To this day it remains plastered in my mind as the first 3D game (even though it is not but just as I played it first).

I mean and WOW at Conker's graphics, that could easily pass for a ps2 game.