Why did the Gamecube do poorly compared to the N64?

Because people lost a little faith in Nintendo because of the N64. The same way the public lost faith in the Dreamcast because of the 32X and Saturn mishaps.

Because people lost a little faith in Nintendo because of the N64. The same way the public lost faith in the Dreamcast because of the 32X and Saturn mishaps.

Emerald_Warrior

Meh. Everyone just got a PS2 since that was hyped as the second comming. And there was Xbox which was a PC in console form. GC was too alternative to grab the "core" attention.

It having DVDs would have made it preform a lot better

It having DVDs would have made it preform a lot better

way2funny

It did use mini DVDs for media. It just had no DVD playback (which has nothing to do with a gaming console imo).

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It having DVDs would have made it preform a lot better

nameless12345

It did use mini DVDs for media. It just had no DVD playback (which has nothing to do with a gaming console imo).

It still didn't hold as much info as a real DVD could. That's why you still had double-disc games on the Gamecube. Not that it's that a big of a deal, though.

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It having DVDs would have made it preform a lot better

Emerald_Warrior

It did use mini DVDs for media. It just had no DVD playback (which has nothing to do with a gaming console imo).

It still didn't hold as much info as a real DVD could. That's why you still had double-disc games on the Gamecube. Not that it's that a big of a deal, though.

GC's mini DVDs had massive storage compared to N64 carts. Space wasn't really an issue on the GC tbh. Devs could simply use multiple disks if they ran out of space.

Because XBOX came into the picture.

During Generation 5, if you really wanted to stay up all night and play a FPS, N64 was really the way to go, as well as playing Nintendo 1st party and exclusives. And for me personally, N64 had the more interesting games imo and I clocked in more hours on that unit more than my Playstation.

PS1 had ONE break through FPS and that was the very first Medal of Honor by Spielberg's company, Dreamworks. Then there was Quake 2, an under appreciated game, if you were a PS1 ONLY gamer and couldn't afford to build a PC gaming rig, at the time.

XBOX changed all that when it arrived in 2001. XBOX was the Online FPS console, really. PS2 was the VARIETY console, and GC was practically the Nintendo only console. Bad timing really for Nintendo when PS2 and XBOX actually embraced Online gaming.

Just my theory, of course. Also PS2 played a little to GC selling poorly and the Cartridge format on N64 was what really made 3rd parties distrust Nintendo.

Despite doing poorly compared to the other 2, the GC actually MADE PROFITS for Nintendo.

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It having DVDs would have made it preform a lot better

nameless12345

It did use mini DVDs for media. It just had no DVD playback (which has nothing to do with a gaming console imo).

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It having DVDs would have made it preform a lot better

Darkman2007

It did use mini DVDs for media. It just had no DVD playback (which has nothing to do with a gaming console imo).

Audio CD and DVD playback aren't the requirements for a console. I find it a little sad that multi-media capabilites are seen as a requirement for a *game* console these days (you can buy a decent blu-ray player under 100 bucks anyway).

everything felt stale on it omitting SSBB. ninty didnt push for many good fan servicing sequels on it just remakes of older games and multiplats and franchise spin-offs. sony did what nintendont

everything felt stale on it omitting SSBB. ninty didnt push for many good fan servicing sequels on it just remakes of older games and multiplats and franchise spin-offs. sony did what nintendont

ionusX

I liked Rogue Squadron on it, the death star run was absolutely epic on it and still makes me smile to this day.

The Gamecube only had 1.4 GB mini DVD discs while the PS2 and XBox used tradtional 4.7GB DVD Roms. While Nintendo finally got around to using Disc based media. The problem was 3rd parites had to cut out content when porting games to Gamecube. The end result was most 3rd parties didn't bother since their games sold poorly on the Cube because of the resulting inferior ports.

Nintendo again faced lack of storage for Game content because of their chioce of media. Thus Gamecube only sold 21.74 million vs 32.5 million for N64.

I believe the loss of Rare hurt the GC a lot too. If they still had Rare onboard, they would likely outsell Xbox.

everything felt stale on it omitting SSBB. ninty didnt push for many good fan servicing sequels on it just remakes of older games and multiplats and franchise spin-offs. sony did what nintendont

ionusX

So Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Eternal Darkness. Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker and Star Fox Adventures weren't original games while the GTA, Gran Turismo, MGS and Final Fantasy games were?

Nice trolling...

I believe the loss of Rare hurt the GC a lot too. If they still had Rare onboard, they would likely outsell Xbox.

nameless12345

Well it was up against the mighty awesome ps2.

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everything felt stale on it omitting SSBB. ninty didnt push for many good fan servicing sequels on it just remakes of older games and multiplats and franchise spin-offs. sony did what nintendont

nameless12345

So Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Eternal Darkness. Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker and Star Fox Adventures weren't original games while the GTA, Gran Turismo, MGS and Final Fantasy games were?

Nice trolling...

I believe the loss of Rare hurt the GC a lot too. If they still had Rare onboard, they would likely outsell Xbox.

nameless12345

introduction of xbox

and lost of rare.

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everything felt stale on it omitting SSBB. ninty didnt push for many good fan servicing sequels on it just remakes of older games and multiplats and franchise spin-offs. sony did what nintendont

D3ntaRid3

So Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Eternal Darkness. Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker and Star Fox Adventures weren't original games while the GTA, Gran Turismo, MGS and Final Fantasy games were?

Nice trolling...

How were the water pump and it's manipulation, a different game world (tropical island based) and a cartoony art-style and sailing a "stagnant formula" ?

Please...

SFA doesn't even use Zelda's engine (likely a highly modified Banjo-Kazooie engine).

cuz ps2 was da way for a dvd player, and da xbox was the way for online gaming

beause they did not have enough franchises that were necessary to move units...

sure they had their mario/zelda franchises and even metroid....but it was hard pressed to find anything else...especially third party. and the controller was horrible

Gamecube was actually a pretty awesome console, but I think a lot of people were expecting more Nintendo 64 games on upgraded hardware. Instead they got Super Mario Sunshine, Star Fox Adventures, and Wind Waker (not that these games weren't good). Dropping Rare probably didn't help.

Nintendo went from being my favorite console producer during the 32/64 bit era to being my least favorite by the time the Gamecube was released. The main reason was because of the absence many of the games and franchises that I loved on the N64; RARE was sold of to Microsoft (then destroyed), there was no Zelda or Mario title for nearly 3 years after the GC was launched (Luigi's Mansion doesn't count imo), and many of the other series that I loved on the N64 were nowhere to be found, at least for the majority of the time the Gamecube was supported. That's not to say it wasn't a great system, because it was, it just was quite disappointing compared to the N64, especially at the time.

Nintendo went from being my favorite console producer during the 32/64 bit era to being my least favorite by the time the Gamecube was released. The main reason was because of the absence many of the games and franchises that I loved on the N64; RARE was sold of to Microsoft (then destroyed), there was no Zelda or Mario title for nearly 3 years after the GC was launched (Luigi's Mansion doesn't count imo), and many of the other series that I loved on the N64 were nowhere to be found, at least for the majority of the time the Gamecube was supported. That's not to say it wasn't a great system, because it was, it just was quite disappointing compared to the N64, especially at the time.

Shenmue_Jehuty

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Nintendo went from being my favorite console producer during the 32/64 bit era to being my least favorite by the time the Gamecube was released. The main reason was because of the absence many of the games and franchises that I loved on the N64; RARE was sold of to Microsoft (then destroyed), there was no Zelda or Mario title for nearly 3 years after the GC was launched (Luigi's Mansion doesn't count imo), and many of the other series that I loved on the N64 were nowhere to be found, at least for the majority of the time the Gamecube was supported. That's not to say it wasn't a great system, because it was, it just was quite disappointing compared to the N64, especially at the time.

StatusShuffle

before? The last two games released on a Nintendo console were Banjo-Tooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day, both amazing games. The subsequent games on the XBOX were mediocre at best. And the company was sold to microsoft (Nintendo sold off their shares to MS, effectively selling the company off to MS), but to be fair, I can't blame them for the substantial decrease in Rare's game's quality after being bought out.

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Nintendo went from being my favorite console producer during the 32/64 bit era to being my least favorite by the time the Gamecube was released. The main reason was because of the absence many of the games and franchises that I loved on the N64; RARE was sold of to Microsoft (then destroyed), there was no Zelda or Mario title for nearly 3 years after the GC was launched (Luigi's Mansion doesn't count imo), and many of the other series that I loved on the N64 were nowhere to be found, at least for the majority of the time the Gamecube was supported. That's not to say it wasn't a great system, because it was, it just was quite disappointing compared to the N64, especially at the time.

Shenmue_Jehuty

before? The last two games released on a Nintendo console were Banjo-Tooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day, both amazing games. The subsequent games on the XBOX were mediocre at best. And the company was sold to microsoft (Nintendo sold off their shares to MS, effectively selling the company off to MS), but to be fair, I can't blame them for the substantial decrease in Rare's game's quality after being bought out.

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Nintendo went from being my favorite console producer during the 32/64 bit era to being my least favorite by the time the Gamecube was released. The main reason was because of the absence many of the games and franchises that I loved on the N64; RARE was sold of to Microsoft (then destroyed), there was no Zelda or Mario title for nearly 3 years after the GC was launched (Luigi's Mansion doesn't count imo), and many of the other series that I loved on the N64 were nowhere to be found, at least for the majority of the time the Gamecube was supported. That's not to say it wasn't a great system, because it was, it just was quite disappointing compared to the N64, especially at the time.

Shenmue_Jehuty

before? The last two games released on a Nintendo console were Banjo-Tooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day, both amazing games. The subsequent games on the XBOX were mediocre at best. And the company was sold to microsoft (Nintendo sold off their shares to MS, effectively selling the company off to MS), but to be fair, I can't blame them for the substantial decrease in Rare's game's quality after being bought out.

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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Not this again, RARE was destroyed on the N64 before the sale. Also There was no Sale, Nintendo gave up their shares.StatusShuffle

before? The last two games released on a Nintendo console were Banjo-Tooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day, both amazing games. The subsequent games on the XBOX were mediocre at best. And the company was sold to microsoft (Nintendo sold off their shares to MS, effectively selling the company off to MS), but to be fair, I can't blame them for the substantial decrease in Rare's game's quality after being bought out.

I did not know that, but my point still stands that as soon as they stopped developing games for the N64 and were bought off my MS they started to suck, even if they did release two games on the Gamecube (both of which were pretty bad imo).

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before? The last two games released on a Nintendo console were Banjo-Tooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day, both amazing games. The subsequent games on the XBOX were mediocre at best. And the company was sold to microsoft (Nintendo sold off their shares to MS, effectively selling the company off to MS), but to be fair, I can't blame them for the substantial decrease in Rare's game's quality after being bought out.

Shenmue_Jehuty

I did not know that, but my point still stands that as soon as they stopped developing games for the N64 and were bought off my MS they started to suck, even if they did release two games on the Gamecube (both of which were pretty bad imo).

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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Also no, the llast 2 games on a Nintendo console were gruntys revenge and Starfox Adventure.StatusShuffle

I did not know that, but my point still stands that as soon as they stopped developing games for the N64 and were bought off my MS they started to suck, even if they did release two games on the Gamecube (both of which were pretty bad imo).

Soooo much better than Starfox Adventure.

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I did not know that, but my point still stands that as soon as they stopped developing games for the N64 and were bought off my MS they started to suck, even if they did release two games on the Gamecube (both of which were pretty bad imo).

Emerald_Warrior

Soooo much better than Starfox Adventure.

PS2 had all the good games and could play DVD's.

It was a combination of these factors: Nintendo still alienating third parties who have had recourse for almost 10 years by this point, the competition offering either more games and/or cooler options, gamers egos' (e.g. Mario being percieved as "kiddy") and douchebags treating it like a fashion accessory.

I honestly don't think it had anything to do with the games, because while the N64 definitely won in the category of quality over quantity, it was still very, very limited as to what was available; I mean, it was either shooters, platformers or racers. This also pushed a lot of gamers away from the N64, and they would have gone to the next system that, as far as the line-up of the last generation was concerned, could deliver a broader range of titles; The PSX was that previous gen system; a lot of people left Nintendo for Sony in spite of Nintendo, not just because Sony had something more to offer.

Part of the reason why the 'Cube didn't do so well was because the third party developers had had enough of Nintendo's sh*t. They brought that on themselves because yeah, Nintendo makes their own games, and while many are good, they rarely make more than 5 a year. EA makes that many a month.

With both the PS2 and XBox, not only did you have game systems, you also had CD and DVD players. While the PS2 was a 3rd-rate DVD player (I bought one for $100 with better picture and audio when the PS2 was selling for four times that), it could still do it. The XBox needed an adapter, but it was actually an exceptional player, and I still use it for this function. Not to mention custom soundtracks when games supported it, and the system was even a competent media player. The Gamecube was only more powerful than the N64, and it still relied on memory cards - other than using disc media, it really didn't do anything "new". Well, other than being one of Paris Hilton's alleged fashion accessories.

Another really big problem was gamer attitudes shifting toward mature games; I think we can blame both the N64 and PSX for this because they both had pretty aggressive line-ups, and the Gamecube was seemingly dialing things back to the SNES era - not true, but the gaming media made it look that way, too. So, with the rise of Grand Crap Auto, Nintendo really couldn't compete in that area. Despite having much more gruesome titles such as Eternal Darkness, Hunter: The Reckoning and Resident Evil.

I think I already covered the fashion accessory bit. But those are most likely the core reasons behind the Gamecube's failure, despite being an excellent system with a good line-up and more-than-decent games - and enough horsepower to compete with Microsoft's XBox.

That's the first generation where the internet really allowed people to look up reviews and opinions for the consoles and their games. People criticized it for the smaller discs and the overall design of the console, which led to a lot of people just skipping it for the more powerful Xbox and PS2. Over time, Nintendo started to get a reputation for being out of touch and kiddy due to the smaller discs and the purple lunchbox, so people just avoided it due to many gamers of the N64 years being impressionable preteens (roughly) in the gamecube years, so they just avoided it to avoid looking like little kids (I can say this as I know people that did this, many people). Only loyalists stayed with Nintendo during the Gamecube years, which is certainly to bad as it was a great console with some amazing games.

In short, the console just gave off a kiddy vibe to an aging audience of gamers. They were looking for something more adult, more hardcore, something the Xbox and PS2 seemingly delivered. It was the beginning of Nintendo's reputation for being stuck in the past and kiddy. Only people that actually gave the console a chance saw it was well-worthy of the investment, with some great 3rd-party titles and the same quality Nintendo titles we've been getting for years, but it's negative reputation overshadowed the console's potential. At least with the N64 it was hardware limitations due to the cartridges.

no dvd player in the gamecube...plus more games on ps2 was an easy choice.

any thing nintendo does never satisfies any one -thats all there is to it!

ive seen it first hand this gen when their actually doing pretty darn good , people will say oh nintendo is bad cause they don have power under the hood -well wake up guys , i think these people who didnt buy the consoles led us to the wii

so they have 0 reason to complain so to answer your question ,

i really don't know,

other then matters that belong in system wars,

Games like GTA, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy and Halo were just more popular than what the GC offered. GC was the "kid's console". Multi-media and online capabilites and better 3rd party support benefited PS2 and Xbox too.