Why don't the good old games get re-made for newer consoles?

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#1 Alloutofdonuts
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I'm not talking about the same game adapted for a newer console, I know some have already been done that way. But re-made to use the newer consoles' abilities, like they did with Bionic Commando, although I haven't played that game yet so I don't know if the re-make is any good. Off the top of my head I think of Slime World, Bionic Commando, Toejam and Earl, Contra, Metroid, Ren and Stimpy, etc. I know some have been done on newer consoles but I'm talking about the higher end like PC/PS3/Xbox360, etc. Ren and Stimpy, for example, the possibilities would be endless. I know they say that cross media doesn't always work but some of the episodes of that show are pretty out there in a fun way. Thinking of ways to make that into a game doesn't seem that far of a reach.

I imagine it has a lot to do with copyrights and that sort of thing but it seems like these games would be a blast in a 3D type open world. Also it may be that I like games that not a lot of other poeple do so the market just wouldn't be there. :cry:

I think if I came into a large amount of money(say, won the lottery)designing games would be the main suction for a large amount of it. And remaking some of those games would be too(although probably a failure[s]!).;)

This is my first post here so please forgive any errors or lack of proper etiquette, I did read the guidelines and rules but as they say pooh happens. Also, what's up with the lag on the cursor?

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#2 Nifty_Shark
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I would say it's because new IP's can exist. I'm much more for keeping our game history in the present and easily accessible which is not being done well right now.
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#3 XaosII
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Because many of those games really aren't that good. After factoring out the nostalgia, you're not left with anything too compelling. If you don't have a compelling base, then you're probably not going to have a very good game. I'd prefer a sequel.
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#4 Damian808
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san andreas should get remade

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#5 foxhound_fox
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Because it is a waste of resources. It is better to make new games (that is, under new IP or sequels to existing IP) than it is to waste time and money remaking stuff that is either still enjoyable or is so old there really isn't much that could be translated to modern day standards. Very rarely do remakes turn out like the Resident Evil Remake on Gamecube (I actually cannot think of another remake done as well). More often than not they end up showing us how flawed the original actually was and totally remove any nostalgia you could have had for the game.

Had BioWare just remade Knights of the Old Republic on the newer hardware we wouldn't have got Mass Effect. Arguably a much better game (at least for me, the non-Star Wars fiction was much more appealing and interesting).

Old games should remain old games... because the only thing that allows most of them to be playable to this day is nostalgia... and remakes tend to eliminate that factor.
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#6 skp_16
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IMO good games should not be re-made because it's already good. Bad games are the ones that should be re-made to improve it. Hehe. Remaking good games might turn out bad. And I actually prefer playing the orginial version than the re-made one.
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#7 Zwei_Thanatos
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IMO good games should not be re-made because it's already good. Bad games are the ones that should be re-made to improve it. Hehe. Remaking good games might turn out bad. And I actually prefer playing the orginial version than the re-made one.skp_16
Truth. They should remake Final Fantasy 7, maybe they can turn it into a good game.
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#8 Trixta92
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Most old games are rubbish compared to the games made today :)
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#9 Zwei_Thanatos
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Most old games are rubbish compared to the games made today :)Trixta92
I honestly hope you're trolling.
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#10 Toriko42
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Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 should be as well as San Andreas, the scope was amazing back then think of it now.
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#11 onlinegamefan
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it could be good to remake some good story old game. it's like remaking the patman movie, better graphic experience
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#12 Onikuri
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Why remake GTA: San Andreas when newer GTA games will come out? They're almost the same.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for a Final Fantasy VII remake. Come on, Square-Enix, stop teasing us!

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#13 Me2nice
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If you were satisfied with the gaems as they were, why not just continue playing those? With that, I vote Super Mario World. I've never played it but I wheard it was good so I'd be all over it.
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#14 foxhound_fox
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If you were satisfied with the gaems as they were, why not just continue playing those? With that, I vote Super Mario World. I've never played it but I wheard it was good so I'd be all over it. Me2nice

The only thing that the game would need would be more levels... its already as good as it can get... >_>

You can get it on the Wii VC as well as the GBA. One of the best 2D platformers to ever exist. You shouldn't be waiting for a remake, you should be playing it right now.
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#15 Nifty_Shark
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[QUOTE="Me2nice"]If you were satisfied with the gaems as they were, why not just continue playing those? With that, I vote Super Mario World. I've never played it but I wheard it was good so I'd be all over it. foxhound_fox

The only thing that the game would need would be more levels... its already as good as it can get... >_>

You can get it on the Wii VC as well as the GBA. One of the best 2D platformers to ever exist. You shouldn't be waiting for a remake, you should be playing it right now.

I played it over the New Year.
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#16 UNHOLY_basic
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its a waste of time and resources. what game companies should do is release source code so people can update them. for example, capcom is not going to make money off of the ps1 version of RE1-3 so why not release it to the public and let people update the sound/textures and stuff for fun? god knows people want to. id love to see a remake of RE2/3 though
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#17 Onikuri
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Oh yeah, dude! That's another remake that I want! Resident Evil 2! The Resident Evil remake was awesome stuff, can only imagine Resi 2.
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#18 DeezDaGamer
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san andreas should get remade

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In GTA V The story is gonna be based in san andreas.they said they might even bring cj or niko back

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#19 Alloutofdonuts
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That's another thing I don't understand. How do games like Dead or Alive even make it into production when there are games like GTA. I know they are professionals making those 'bad' games but I would be embarrassed if I had anything to do with a game like that, other than it's demise lol. I know Dead or Alive came out before GTA but it seems like they are going to be played on the same machine, using the same console, what's the excuse? I imagine they didn't have the same tools available or just a bunch of nimnools on the team. I guess if I had more involvement into the industry other than playing them(and complaining about them hehe)I might know why games like that get made. That's a topic for another discussion maybe.

Also as far as remakes, what's the opinions on Bionic Commando? Does it suck?

I think sequels to games are remakes in a way. I mean if a game came out on the PS2 and the sequel came out on the PS3, up until that point, it was never made on the newer console, it's more of an adaptation of the old game to the new console but with a different or modified story. But technically speaking it should be better or at least the same amount of fun, but with better graphic and more freedom. I know that isn't always the case.

One of the things that bugs me is that they are trying to come up with new ideas for games and still not getting the idea of freedom right. I mean, I thought that as game consoles progress you are suppose to have more freedom in games and be able to do things in games that you can't in real life(or just plain are not suppose to do). Even some games that are considered good as far as animation, graphics etc. they only give you one option or 'path' to go to the goal or end of level etc. Like Gears of War, or that game with the guy with the razorblade boomerang for his hand[forgot what it's called lol]. While they are fun and entertaining, suspenseful, scary etc. they still lack that 'freedom thing'.

For example, many games use rubble or crashed vehicles, fallen building etc. to block access and guide you to where they want you to go. I want to be able to jump over the vehicle or go through it, under it, dig around it, climb over it, move stuff to go the way I want if it's possible etc. I guess it's the idea of not being able to do something in the game that I would or could in real life. That seems kind of lame considering that you should be able to do more than you can in real life, not less.

I guess I'm getting OT but it's kind of hard to do when talking about games, thats the nature of them I think.

I like to explore in games, I know I'm not alone on that. When I first got back into gaming I bought a PS2 and When San Andreas came out I thought I was in heaven! Had I not bought a new console I would probably still be trying to find things to ride the bike off of and freefall to the ground lol.

Another good example of a remake or sequel would that game Shadow of the Colossus. You can't tell me that wouldn't be fun on a PS3 or 360. Maybe throw in a few smaller battles with smaller sized foes, other men maybe too, more underwater and air battles, etc that game was great and a good example of what I'm talking about as far as freedom. Being able to scale rock faces would have been fun though(I mean other than what you COULD do).

Also any game it's obviously dependant on who makes it, if it's good or sucks. Doesn't matter if it's a remake, sequel, or totally new idea. And the way that Studios change and lose/fire and hire people it's hard to identify a good name because the next game you buy from a name you know made a great game like The Orange Box might have totally changed or sold the company and has few of the people left that made that game you liked so much. I'm not saying it's always a bad move, sometimes it's the opposite(a company that made a sucky game comes out with a killer because they got a clue, some talent, or hired someone from a company that made good games. I know it has a lot to do with publishers and such too sucking away things that would have made a game good. That's why I'll say it again 'Renegade start-up company' lol if I win the lottery I'll be looking for some creative minds hehe.

Thanks for the comments.

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#20 Ballroompirate
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san andreas should get remade

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Umm No!

God I hated SA so fraking much.

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#21 kfjl
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People will just buy the old ones as-is. It's a lot easier to just put them out on XBox Live, Wii Ware, or PSN and slap a $5 or $10 price on them or release them on DS for $39.99 and collect profit.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Because it is a waste of resources. It is better to make new games (that is, under new IP or sequels to existing IP) than it is to waste time and money remaking stuff that is either still enjoyable or is so old there really isn't much that could be translated to modern day standards. Very rarely do remakes turn out like the Resident Evil Remake on Gamecube (I actually cannot think of another remake done as well). More often than not they end up showing us how flawed the original actually was and totally remove any nostalgia you could have had for the game. Had BioWare just remade Knights of the Old Republic on the newer hardware we wouldn't have got Mass Effect. Arguably a much better game (at least for me, the non-Star Wars fiction was much more appealing and interesting). Old games should remain old games... because the only thing that allows most of them to be playable to this day is nostalgia... and remakes tend to eliminate that factor.

I think thats a bogus argument on so many levels. Remaking old games doesn't mean that no new games will be made. Square does remakes and they still make new games. Bionic Commando got a remake and their is a new version coming out this year. Theres no real reason to think that if a company remakes and old game, they will completely abandon making new ones. Some old games are only good because of nostalgia. Some old games are actually good. Nobody is suggesting companies remake crappy games. By default, the only ones that should get remade are ones that can stand the test of time. I think remakes and re-releases are a good thing. You goto a bookstore, its not like that they don't carry books that were written more than 5 years ago. You goto a movie store, they don't only stock new releases. You goto a music store, you can find the latest Radiohead album along with their very first one from over a decade ago. Video games is one of the only mediums where there is a total disregard for older versions. I think it kinda robs the kids who didn't grow up in the earlier times. With all the talk of graphics > gameplay and the super dominance of the shooter over every other genre, I think it'd be great for younger gamers to be able to experience good games that didn't push 5 million polygons per second or the idea that you can have a good game without particle effects and 1000 shaders I don't think every game should be remade and perhaps some should just be re-released (with the rise of DLC, this should really be the norm), but if their is room for improvement and people seriously want it... or you're rebooting the franchise, ie Bionic Commando, and you want to generate a lil hype, why not?
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#23 bigd575
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Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 should be as well as San Andreas, the scope was amazing back then think of it now. Toriko42
I don't see any reason for this imo San Andreas, MGS 2, and 3 are great the way they are.
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#24 PlayBox39
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Honestly I don't see the point in old games getting remade. Some of them are fine just the way they are.
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#25 Jekken6
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san andreas should get remade

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It has been. Saints Row 2 is it's spiritual successor
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#26 EquiIibrium
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I'd rather old franchises being revived with a whole new game for the newer consoles, then a re-make. Although seeing a classic title implemented with the new technology today is great I'd rather play it the way it was originally intended, old dated graphics 'n all.

Quite alot of games are being re-made for the newer consoles, the 360/PS3 isn't seeing as many most likely due to the main-market appeal of those consoles.

I really don't see the outcry for any game post-16bit era to be re-made, they don't make a big jump like 2D to 3D and all you're getting is a slight graphical update. Re-releases are better for this sort of thing.