***Why hasn't EA/Black Box made a Snowboarding game with Skate engine?***
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SSX FTW?
Personally I like over the type snowboarding games, realistic snowboarders just don't appeal to me. My favorite snowboading games are the early SSX games and the recent Amped 3.
Skate is pretty realistic in terms of skate boarding, and honestly if that engine and style of play were applied to a snowboarding game, I would just not be interested.
I could be speaking for the minority, but I know there are some gamers out there that prefer over the top arcade style snowboard games.
I would love to see another over the top arcade style SSX game, and I am hoping one hits this generation of consoles.
Probably because the Skate engine was built for skateboarding. :?foxhound_foxRight but you can modify and tweak it to become a legit engine based off of skate. Rather than starting from scratch.
Because snowboarding by its very nature is quite boring.... I mean it's fun enough when you do it IRL but unless a game allows you to light one up on top of the mountain and pickup some snow bunnies I am afraid the actual experiance of going in one direction with the occasional mogul jumps is meh...
Thats why successful snowboarding games are so over the top and unrealistic. Think taxi driving an actual taxi simualtor would be boring to be successful you need Crazy Taxi.
Snowboarding is a bit like that you need fireworks and volcanos to make it work.
Yeah but there is gamers like you who prefer the over the top. Then there is gamers like me who love the SKATE series and use it to get creative and have fun in a realistic environment. I'm sorry if you couldn't picture a snowboarding game built off of the engine but it would be awesome for a big snowboarder and fan like me. The controls for fun boxes and all the other features would be so good. Being able to butter and use the right stick to throw your legs around for the 450 off boxes or get that late 180 in to stomp the 1260 would be awesome in my opinion. I dont know it might not be for you but your not the only person out there. There are a lot of people that want this to happen. Yet all they do is release something like Shaun White Snowboarding which is terrible. Stoked was ok. It was fun for a bit. I just think that EA/Black Box could really make something worth while.afleury226
I agree with you on a few points, the shaun snowboarding games are terrible. Stoked is decent but the best snowboarding game this generation has been Amped.
Also for those that like the Skate engine and want a more realistic snowboarder with more control, a game like you suggest would be perfect for those fans.
I can vision the Skate engine used for snowboarding....more realistic enviroment, more control and steeper learning curve. Its just not my cup of tea.
Personally I just don't think there would be a huge market out there for that type of game, which is why I don't think you'll see a game like that, at least this generation.I think though snowboarding games are at their best when they are over the top and fast paced. The SSX tricky series initally sold very well, their sales dropped because they over saturated the market with SSX games last generation. But I think the initial sales show gamers want an arcade type snowboarding game
Thats why you toke and play if you arent at the hill. Saying that hitting one mogul is kind of mean haha I dont just wanna ride trails thats why I said there needs to be a street mode where the end user can create a stair set for themselves or something. Also thats why it would have features all the way down the mountain so your not just riding like STOKED.Because snowboarding by its very nature is quite boring.... I mean it's fun enough when you do it IRL but unless a game allows you to light one up on top of the mountain and pickup some snow bunnies I am afraid the actual experiance of going in one direction with the occasional mogul jumps is meh...
Thats why successful snowboarding games are so over the top and unrealistic. Think taxi driving an actual taxi simualtor would be boring to be successful you need Crazy Taxi.
Snowboarding is a bit like that you need fireworks and volcanos to make it work.
juliankennedy23
[QUOTE="afleury226"]Yeah but there is gamers like you who prefer the over the top. Then there is gamers like me who love the SKATE series and use it to get creative and have fun in a realistic environment. I'm sorry if you couldn't picture a snowboarding game built off of the engine but it would be awesome for a big snowboarder and fan like me. The controls for fun boxes and all the other features would be so good. Being able to butter and use the right stick to throw your legs around for the 450 off boxes or get that late 180 in to stomp the 1260 would be awesome in my opinion. I dont know it might not be for you but your not the only person out there. There are a lot of people that want this to happen. Yet all they do is release something like Shaun White Snowboarding which is terrible. Stoked was ok. It was fun for a bit. I just think that EA/Black Box could really make something worth while.TheRaiderNation
I agree with you on a few points, the shaun snowboarding games are terrible. Stoked is decent but the best snowboarding game this generation has been Amped.
Also for those that like the Skate engine and want a more realistic snowboarder with more control, a game like you suggest would be perfect for those fans.
I can vision the Skate engine used for snowboarding....more realistic enviroment, more control and steeper learning curve. Its just not my cup of tea.
Personally I just don't think there would be a huge market out there for that type of game, which is why I don't think you'll see a game like that, at least this generation.I think though snowboarding games are at their best when they are over the top and fast paced. The SSX tricky series initally sold very well, their sales dropped because they over saturated the market with SSX games last generation. But I think the initial sales show gamers want an arcade type snowboarding game
Yeah I agree. I just dont understand why they would make Skate then. There is an even smaller market for skateboarding you know? I just cant deal with SSX I havent played them since the 2nd one because I cant stand the craziness of the tricks its not fun. I can see how it is fun fro people but I dont know.Right but you can modify and tweak it to become a legit engine based off of skate. Rather than starting from scratch.afleury226
You must not know much about game design and programming. It would take a lot more than "tweaks" to get a snowboarding game from that engine. They'd have to completely rebuild the physics engine, since it won't be wheels on concrete anymore, but a static board on slippery snow and ice. They would have to reanimate all the animations because skateboarding involves a fluid board, not one attached to the feet. The only things they could keep would be the "gravity rail" effect that drags you to a ledge or rail and the twisting/grabing animations for air tricks... and even then it would still require some work.
Unfortunately, game design isn't as simple as most people think it is (I used to think it was, before I started looking into the process and talking to me programmer friend about it). Skate took a very large team of programmers many months of work just to build and tweak a skateboarding game. It would be nice if we could just "request" a type of game and have them "do it up" in a little bit... but Black Box would have to start from scratch if they wanted to build a proper snowboarding game. Trying to "tweak" the Skate engine would probably be more difficult, and could cause far more unforseen problems.
[QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"][QUOTE="afleury226"]Yeah but there is gamers like you who prefer the over the top. Then there is gamers like me who love the SKATE series and use it to get creative and have fun in a realistic environment. I'm sorry if you couldn't picture a snowboarding game built off of the engine but it would be awesome for a big snowboarder and fan like me. The controls for fun boxes and all the other features would be so good. Being able to butter and use the right stick to throw your legs around for the 450 off boxes or get that late 180 in to stomp the 1260 would be awesome in my opinion. I dont know it might not be for you but your not the only person out there. There are a lot of people that want this to happen. Yet all they do is release something like Shaun White Snowboarding which is terrible. Stoked was ok. It was fun for a bit. I just think that EA/Black Box could really make something worth while.afleury226
I agree with you on a few points, the shaun snowboarding games are terrible. Stoked is decent but the best snowboarding game this generation has been Amped.
Also for those that like the Skate engine and want a more realistic snowboarder with more control, a game like you suggest would be perfect for those fans.
I can vision the Skate engine used for snowboarding....more realistic enviroment, more control and steeper learning curve. Its just not my cup of tea.
Personally I just don't think there would be a huge market out there for that type of game, which is why I don't think you'll see a game like that, at least this generation.I think though snowboarding games are at their best when they are over the top and fast paced. The SSX tricky series initally sold very well, their sales dropped because they over saturated the market with SSX games last generation. But I think the initial sales show gamers want an arcade type snowboarding game
Yeah I agree. I just dont understand why they would make Skate then. There is an even smaller market for skateboarding you know? I just cant deal with SSX I havent played them since the 2nd one because I cant stand the craziness of the tricks its not fun. I can see how it is fun fro people but I dont know.I think EA saw the Tony Hawk series declining and thought a more realistic skater might refresh the genre and bring in huge sales. I know last generation the Tony Hawk series was extremely popular and had to sell well. most of my friends had one of the Tony Hawk games and most were not even into skate boarder. I am not even a fan of skateboarding yet I owned tony hawk 2, 4 and underground. I actually did by the first skate for the PS3 after it dropped in price, I lost interest in it though pretty quick.
So while there might be an equal or smaller market for skate boarders compared to snowboarding games now, that def was not the case last generation. The Hawk games just didn't have the magic that once had last generation, and I think the genre may have lost some fans because of this. I really don't think the Skate series was able to win them all back.
For your sake I hope someone release a realistic snowboarder that is really good! I am still holding out for the next SSX. To this day, my girlfriend and I still will play SSX Tricky after hitting the slopes (skiing) in the winter!
[QUOTE="afleury226"]Right but you can modify and tweak it to become a legit engine based off of skate. Rather than starting from scratch.foxhound_fox
You must not know much about game design and programming. It would take a lot more than "tweaks" to get a snowboarding game from that engine. They'd have to completely rebuild the physics engine, since it won't be wheels on concrete anymore, but a static board on slippery snow and ice. They would have to reanimate all the animations because skateboarding involves a fluid board, not one attached to the feet. The only things they could keep would be the "gravity rail" effect that drags you to a ledge or rail and the twisting/grabing animations for air tricks... and even then it would still require some work.
Unfortunately, game design isn't as simple as most people think it is (I used to think it was, before I started looking into the process and talking to me programmer friend about it). Skate took a very large team of programmers many months of work just to build and tweak a skateboarding game. It would be nice if we could just "request" a type of game and have them "do it up" in a little bit... but Black Box would have to start from scratch if they wanted to build a proper snowboarding game. Trying to "tweak" the Skate engine would probably be more difficult, and could cause far more unforseen problems.
I understand. But my point is at least they would be ahead of the curve and have the right idea on top of someone making it out of no where you know?
Yeah I agree. I just dont understand why they would make Skate then. There is an even smaller market for skateboarding you know? I just cant deal with SSX I havent played them since the 2nd one because I cant stand the craziness of the tricks its not fun. I can see how it is fun fro people but I dont know.[QUOTE="afleury226"][QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"]
I agree with you on a few points, the shaun snowboarding games are terrible. Stoked is decent but the best snowboarding game this generation has been Amped.
Also for those that like the Skate engine and want a more realistic snowboarder with more control, a game like you suggest would be perfect for those fans.
I can vision the Skate engine used for snowboarding....more realistic enviroment, more control and steeper learning curve. Its just not my cup of tea.
Personally I just don't think there would be a huge market out there for that type of game, which is why I don't think you'll see a game like that, at least this generation.I think though snowboarding games are at their best when they are over the top and fast paced. The SSX tricky series initally sold very well, their sales dropped because they over saturated the market with SSX games last generation. But I think the initial sales show gamers want an arcade type snowboarding game
TheRaiderNation
I think EA saw the Tony Hawk series declining and thought a more realistic skater might refresh the genre and bring in huge sales. I know last generation the Tony Hawk series was extremely popular and had to sell well. most of my friends had one of the Tony Hawk games and most were not even into skate boarder. I am not even a fan of skateboarding yet I owned tony hawk 2, 4 and underground. I actually did by the first skate for the PS3 after it dropped in price, I lost interest in it though pretty quick.
So while there might be an equal or smaller market for skate boarders compared to snowboarding games now, that def was not the case last generation. The Hawk games just didn't have the magic that once had last generation, and I think the genre may have lost some fans because of this. I really don't think the Skate series was able to win them all back.
For your sake I hope someone release a realistic snowboarder that is really good! I am still holding out for the next SSX. To this day, my girlfriend and I still will play SSX Tricky after hitting the slopes (skiing) in the winter!
Damn well maybe I should consider the new SSX (for having my GF be more involved) haha Because I dont think she gets the curve of Skate too much, COD and battlefield either haha. Yeah good outlook man I like it. I really hope someone comes with something solid.Please Log In to post.
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