Why is it that killing children in games is forbidden but killing women is not?

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#1 GAMESHARQ
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I always thought a man killing a woman was just as bad as killing a child. Isn't that why there's an expression that says "save the women and children first"?

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#2 xxxDirtyJoexxx
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That means that they are equal, if a man can die in a game so can a woman, both are adults.

Killing children is just crossing the line, exept if they are zombie children than its apparently okay...

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#3 ReddestSkies
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I always thought a man killing a woman was just as bad as killing a child.

GAMESHARQ

But men killing men is ok. And women killing men is good. Am I right?

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#4 GAMESHARQ
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[QUOTE="GAMESHARQ"]

I always thought a man killing a woman was just as bad as killing a child.

ReddestSkies

But men killing men is ok. And women killing men is good. Am I right?

I never said it was good, but it's obviously acceptable in the gaming world because you see it all the time.
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#5 ReddestSkies
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[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

[QUOTE="GAMESHARQ"]

I always thought a man killing a woman was just as bad as killing a child.

GAMESHARQ

But men killing men is ok. And women killing men is good. Am I right?

I never said it was good, but it's obviously acceptable in the gaming world because you see it all the time.

That's nonsense. If a female game character can kill a male character, the opposite has to be possible. :|

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#6 Treflis
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Because it's considered taboo to give a person the choice of killing children. Why?, it just is.
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#7 DeX2010
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Thats just sexist. If in a game men can kill men, than they can kill women, and women can kill women and men.
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#8 XaosII
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In the UK its illegal to sell video games depicting the murder of children. Since most games are sold at a global market, instead of creating two versions of a game (UK and non-UK), its just easier to make one and sell to both.

Well, i suppose two versions COULD be made.... but its a tough sell to the publisher to put in the extra money for additional versions solely on the basis that its important to your game to have children be murdered.

EDIT: Fallout 1 and 2 allowed you the ability to kill children. When they made a UK version later, they simply removed all children.

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#9 SkyWard20
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If it's not just put there for the sake of it, it should be permissable.

Legally, I think even if it's put there for the sake of it, it should be allowed. As bad as it might sound, it doesn't really harm anyone directly. I don't see being able to kill 'innocent' adult NPC's in video games a huge step above that, either ( though usually it's not just mindless killing ).

Never mind considering the crap that's allowed on TV.

I really hated invulnerable children in Fallout 3. You even get one that threatens to blow your head off, and your character still has to travel halfway across the map to rescue a bunch of kids.

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I always thought a man killing a woman was just as bad as killing a child. Isn't that why there's an expression that says "save the women and children first"?

GAMESHARQ
So killing men is ok?
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#11 Lamb_Jalfrezi
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Thats just sexist. If in a game men can kill men, than they can kill women, and women can kill women and men. DeX2010
Yes, it is sexist. What is your point?
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#12 EvilSelf
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Women are a different breed of animal. We can kill animals right...

I am just kidding , i am kidding, Jeez.....:P

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#13 elbert_b_23
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i have no problem killing children in games or seeing them die in movies but its a thing of human psyche that kids dieing is a horrible thing because they show innocence and the future of mankind
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#14 bc1391
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There are some high profile games out there where you can kill children.

[spoiler] I learned that the hard way in Deus Ex :( [/spoiler]

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#15 turtlethetaffer
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Because women can also be the bad guy in a game. Not just men.

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#16 dkdk999
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I would definatly say killing children is accepted to be worse by most people.
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#17 turtlethetaffer
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I would definatly say killing children is accepted to be worse by most people. dkdk999

Which is why dead Space 2 is so shocking at times. I've played through the campaign five times at least and still haven't really gotten over how messed up the Pack and Necromorph babies are.

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#18 GAMESHARQ
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[QUOTE="GAMESHARQ"]

I always thought a man killing a woman was just as bad as killing a child. Isn't that why there's an expression that says "save the women and children first"?

Black_Knight_00
So killing men is ok?

Once again, I never said it was okay, but it's obviously acceptable in the video game world because it's done all the time and it's not considered "taboo".
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#19 kaealy
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[QUOTE="GAMESHARQ"]

I always thought a man killing a woman was just as bad as killing a child. Isn't that why there's an expression that says "save the women and children first"?

Black_Knight_00

So killing men is ok?

Are we seriously making no distinction between the real world with consequences and the virtuell world? It's totally disturbing that no one makes this distinction in their arguments.

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#20 Metamania
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That's a good question, but I think it's even a more important question as to why include a scene in a game where a kid witnesses the murder of his parents done execution-style by the North Korean soldiers in Homefront? And yes, the woman in that game was killed, if I recall.

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#22 Black_Knight_00
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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="GAMESHARQ"]

I always thought a man killing a woman was just as bad as killing a child. Isn't that why there's an expression that says "save the women and children first"?

kaealy

So killing men is ok?

Are we seriously making no distinction between the real world with consequences and the virtuell world? It's totally disturbing that no one makes this distinction in their arguments.

I just remembered, if I recall correctly in Deus Ex you can kill children. Another one is Prey, you kill... ghost children, but earlier it shows children getting killed
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#23 kaealy
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[QUOTE="kaealy"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] So killing men is ok?Black_Knight_00

Are we seriously making no distinction between the real world with consequences and the virtuell world? It's totally disturbing that no one makes this distinction in their arguments.

I just remembered, if I recall correctly in Deus Ex you can kill children. Another one is Prey, you kill... ghost children, but earlier it shows children getting killed

You kill "children" in Bioshock aswell, it's not uncommon really.

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#24 ravengirl101
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Well adults killing adults in games is fine regardless of gender, killing children in games is considered unacceptable but it's only a game, far worse can, as always, be seen on TV or in films. However I know of quite a few games freely sold where I am in the UK where children or child like monsters/ghosts/zombies can be killed, or can die at least.
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#25 Metamania
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I think it was in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood, but I do recall a mission in the game where you have to earn a certain amount of money before you bring it to the kidnappers, who decided to kill the woman anyway. Some videogames can get away with that.

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troll is successfull

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troll is successfull

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Wrong window?
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#28 TransformerRobo
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Maybe it has something to do with women's roles as the carriers of unborn children. Or it's men's karma after centuries of women being seen as under men's feet all the time, like in the Middle East or in North Africa. Think of this: In Duke Nukem 3D Duke finds a number of naked women barely alive and covered in alien goo after they were impregnated with alien offspring. Duke knew that the aliens would kill the women anyway if he let the baby aliens come out of the women, so he killed them to keep future aliens from spawning. He's a tough guy, but seeing his chicks die like that tore Duke apart on the inside.
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#29 SouL-Tak3R
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Equal rights, they fought for it.

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#30 TransformerRobo
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Equal rights, they fought for it.

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Shouldn't that mean killing female characters AND male characters in the same game?
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#31 Krelian-co
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I always thought a man killing a woman was just as bad as killing a child. Isn't that why there's an expression that says "save the women and children first"?

GAMESHARQ

lol get real, woman are adults too, if they banned killing woman then men too and we would have no one to kill xD

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#32 synxz
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That's a good question, but I think it's even a more important question as to why include a scene in a game where a kid witnesses the murder of his parents done execution-style by the North Korean soldiers in Homefront? And yes, the woman in that game was killed, if I recall.

Metamania

You're talking as if the kid is a real child. The most of the child in real life do would cry, but not witnessing such brutatility. Regardless, that scene pisses me off- like the writers are trying to shove down our throats at koreans are eeeEBiL. So much bs really.

Games like Harvester--now that's where you outright kill life-like children who acts on green screens. Utube Harvester game floor 3.

Why does it matter if women is allowed to be depicted to be killed or not? What you deem as right may not be so for others. It's a question without a clear cut answer.

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#33 Bubble_Man
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Children could be killed in the old Fallout games, but the versions you buy from digital distributors now have the kids edited out.

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#34 morrowindnic
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Children could be killed in the old Fallout games, but the versions you buy from digital distributors now have the kids edited out.

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But they can be patched back in.

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#35 campzor
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why would u say that? equal rights and all... children are just...children. (pure and innocent...bla bla bla) Do you complain when u control a female character and kill males? i dont think so...
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#36 ZombieKiller7
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Logically isn't it messed up that you can kill anyone in video games? Or more specifically that most games have nothing in it except killing?
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#37 TransformerRobo
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[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]Logically isn't it messed up that you can kill anyone in video games? Or more specifically that most games have nothing in it except killing?

It's supposed to be entertainment, not to purposely turn people into spree killers. Entertainment is supposed to make money, not insight global chaos.
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#38 Krelian-co
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i find fun killing people in games but have no desire in real life, so the games turning into killers is bs, probably just wakes some already mentally disturbed people, after all is just a game.

As for tc, lol at trying to compare grown people with kids. Do you really think woman should have that kind of special treatment? woman wanted to be treated equally that goes both ways, the good and the bad

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#39 GAMESHARQ
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Do you really think woman should have that kind of special treatment? woman wanted to be treated equally that goes both ways, the good and the badKrelian-co

That is some really poor rationalizing. And I never said that women deserve special treatment.

My point (which you're obviously not intelligent enough to comprehend) was that if devs are so against killing children in video games based on real life taboos, they should be equally against killing women in video games. The reason devs don't put child killing in video games is because it's considered despicable in real life. But the same could be said about killing women in real life. If a man beats a woman, he's considered garbage. If a woman beats a man, it's frowned upon but not nearly as much. That's just the way society is.

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#40 TransformerRobo
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Why worry about killing anybody in a video game when people die all the time, especially by violent means? Think back to World War I and even before then.
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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]Do you really think woman should have that kind of special treatment? woman wanted to be treated equally that goes both ways, the good and the badGAMESHARQ

That is some really poor rationalizing. And I never said that women deserve special treatment.

My point (which you're obviously not intelligent enough to comprehend) was that if devs are so against killing children in video games based on real life taboos, they should be equally against killing women in video games. The reason devs don't put child killing in video games is because it's considered despicable in real life. But the same could be said about killing women in real life. If a man beats a woman, he's considered garbage. If a woman beats a man, it's frowned upon but not nearly as much. That's just the way society is.

the only one lacking intelligence here is you, you start with "i dont think woman deserve special treatment" then you continue to compare woman to kids and basically state that it should be ok to kill man but not woman in games, shockiing surprise that is special treatment, i fail to see how killing a woman its taboo? its the same as killing a man or anyone else for that matter, kids are special because many reasons stated in this thread.

im sorry if i hurt your feelings xD

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#42 Elann2008
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Children are closer to being pure and innocent than adults. And this may sound cliche, but they are the "future." Who likes the thought of mutilating a child in a game? Not me.
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#43 JediXMan
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It's not a men vs women issue.

Children = not okay.

Adults = fair game.

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#44 KungfuKitten
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It's not a men vs women issue.

Children = not okay.

Adults = fair game.

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Yes. The line "Save women and children first." is of old times, and no longer of use. The modern version is "Save children first."
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#45 DecadesOfGaming
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I always thought a man killing a woman was just as bad as killing a child. Isn't that why there's an expression that says "save the women and children first"?

GAMESHARQ

I REALLY wanted to kill the kids in Fallout 3, they were so cheeky

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#46 DecadesOfGaming
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In the Bioshock franchise you can kill kids.. Your not gunning them down, but 'Harvesting' them.

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#47 ArchoNils2
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IMO killing anything without a weapon isn't okay. I think it'ss okay to shoot down children if they attack you with MGs, but it isn't okay to kill an unarmed woman as an exapmle ... but the ESRB seems to have their own definitions

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#48 face_ripper
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Killing children is just not right. Fallout 3 and NV don't allow you to kill, but knock out, You can kill them by modding the game but no one in the right state of mind would do that. If Dead Islands trailer about the girl happens in the game, i'm pretty sure many critics won't like that part.
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#49 JustPlainLucas
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I've killed children in games before. Just don't remember exactly which ones.