why is rape not allowed in games

but murder is.

most games nowdays allow you to basically indiscriminately kill for whatever reason and this is seen as normal as acceptable.

so why does basically no game allow it, do developers think kids will go out and start raping people. Is it social pressure from society, is violence more acceptable.

Yeah violence is more acceptable. I kind of have to agree. Even though they are games the thought of being able to rape virtual characters just seems really, really wrong.Archangel3371

Not to mention it can be deemed offensive by people who are victims of rape.

how about people who've had family murdered or how about people who've had had family die in war.

wouldn't war games be offensive, where do you draw the line.

if someone finds it offensive they don't have to play it,

Violence in games is almost always justified by the plot, except in those odd games that all you to kill indiscriminately.
Rape can never be justified, as far as I'm aware.

I can't really articulate -why- rape is more morally abhorrent than murder, but I also don't really doubt that it is. I guess I've never thought about it before.

those vengeance plots though aren't justified either though.

like someone kills the hero's loved one, so he goes on a revenge and kills basically hundreds of people vaguely associated with the person who commited the crime.

how about people who've had family murdered or how about people who've had had family die in war.

wouldn't war games be offensive, where do you draw the line.

if someone finds it offensive they don't have to play it,

Deano

it happened in Dead Island

it happened in Dead Island

spawnassasin

in what sense did in happen

i'm not talking a rape scenario ingame where the character is like some third party to some information.

What about Phantasmagoria, Phantasmagoria: A Puzzle Of Flesh, The Witcher or Harvester? Those games feature many references to rape, child abuse and in the case of Phantasmagoria a rape scene.

As for why it's not allowed... it's probably due to the fact that the developer is adding it for shock value and nothing more.

Barring the fact that the ESRB would come down on it hard and such a game wouldn't be financially viable, I would imagine it is because there are all sorts of socially acceptable reasons for violence, particularly in fiction. It is easy to construct a narrative where a character needs to commit and act of violence. There really isn't a way to justify rape. As for making games where a main character is perpetrating it, I can't imagine too many people want that. I won't comment on those that would want to see it as I have a feeling I'd be insulting some of our creepier members on GS.

Because violence is a medium already shown a lot in movies. Rape is the border. You don't even really have sex scenes in games. So they definitely won't show rape. Its also a very horrible act and one that can scar you. Also most games don't need a rape scene. No game has had any situation in it where someone would rape another

Barring the fact that the ESRB would come down on it hard and such a game wouldn't be financially viable, I would imagine it is because there are all sorts of socially acceptable reasons for violence, particularly in fiction. It is easy to construct a narrative where a character needs to commit and act of violence. There really isn't a way to justify rape. As for making games where a main character is perpetrating it, I can't imagine too many people want that. I won't comment on those that would want to see it as I have a feeling I'd be insulting some of our creepier members on GS.

rragnaar

Exactly, there's no need to justify rape. It's an act that's wrong and offensive to commit, especially against women. Like Rag, I can imagine the ESRB immediately pounding the hammer onto the ground and letting developers know that putting in a crime like rape isn't necessarily a good thing to begin with. In the sense of violence, I can understand that, because violence is essential for the conflict in itself. Without violence, the game wouldn't be as much fun than it was before, although you don't really need it for certain videogames at all. But rape? It's really not needed.

In Witcher there are loads of insinuations that rape has occurred, that's more than enough for the sane individual.

I think the better question is "why would you even want to rape in games"?

I love shooting Orks in the face in Space Marine. Don't really want to rape them though...

Yeah violence is more acceptable. I kind of have to agree. Even though they are games the thought of being able to rape virtual characters just seems really, really wrong.Archangel3371

As far as screen fiction is concerned I think the answer is duration: murder generally lasts a few seconds, while rape goes on for several minutes. Imagine an audience reacting these two scenarios:

1. A rape scene that only lasts a few seconds, quickly cutting to the next scene (the audience wouldn't mind). A murder scene with with a guy repeatedly stabbing the victim for several minutes (the audience would be shocked)

On the other hand:

2. A rape scene that goes on for several minutes (shocked audience). A quick murder, a single gunshot or stab and then off to the next scene (indifferent audience)

That's why, as someone pointed out, some games can get away with short or hinted rape scenes: the key is duration. Take Dexter for example: if they showed you him hacking his victims to pieces there would have been an uproar of protests, but they only hint at him doing so for a few seconds and never show the complete act, so it becomes acceptable. A long scene forces your mind to focus on what is going on, a quick one makes it focus on what's next.

Watch the famous rape scene from Irreversible, then you wouldn't even start this topic .

Because how would that in any way, shape, or fun, make for a fun game? Nobody would want that in a game anyways.

because there's people that want that type of stuff ingame.

you don't think there's violent people who don't get off on the fact they can chainsaw someone to death in a game

http://www.ryonani.com/showwiki/Ryona

Ryona as a fetish revolves around a victim, almost exclusively a humanoid female, being physically assaulted or psychologically abused by an offender. It differs from sadism in that it is a voyeuristic fantasy fetish with focus towards fictional characters from video games, anime, comics, TV and movies that include battering, abusing or otherwise killing women. Characters from movies and TV series represented by live actresses are becoming more common as less stigmatism is attached to violence being inflicted to women in media. Because the fetish is so broad it often incorporates other, more common, fetishes such as humiliation, rape, and BDSM depending on the preference of the individual. Often the victim is any combination of physically fit, well trained, or strong of will as many find ryona more appealing the greater the gap between the victim and offender's usual power.

at the end of the day it's just pixels if you find a game about rape "distasteful" you aren't being objectionable because you are trying to put your morals into a fictional world.

it's just crazy I can go load up grand theft auto and run people down and car jack them and beat them to death with a baseball bat.

but that's ok of course

Well, it's allowed, as far as I know, by the First Amendment. It's simply not done because most people find it grotesque and the ensuing controversy would damage the developer, publisher, and even the console manufacturer, directly or indirectly.

There are plenty of Japanese eroge games that feature (or even market themselves on) rape, if that's your thing. Don't be surprised if few share your enthusiasm, though.

at the end of the day it's just pixels if you find a game about rape "distasteful" you aren't being objectionable because you are trying to put your morals into a fictional world.

it's just crazy I can go load up grand theft auto and run people down and car jack them and beat them to death with a baseball bat.

but that's ok of course

Deano

I want to ask you what do you think is the primary motivation for a person to rape someone else?

It wouldn't really fit. We want to play likeable characters and be cool. We want a character that's bad*** and stuff. Not some weird mentally ill creep in a long coat that gets hard from sexually abusing persons, that's kinda pathetic and not very likeable at all... Playing a character that desperately assaults and ruin someone's life just to feel 3 seconds of satisfaction feels weak-minded and we don't want no weak minded losers. Kinda like how there's no games featuring a main character that's a total drug junkie or raging alchoholic.

It's an American thing. The US as a nation is sexually repressed and violence obsessed. In Japan rape was perfectly fine in games until recently when outside forces pressured them into censorship. But unlike in the US, you couldn't have games with beheadings and such. Today you can still buy games with rape but they're all self-published "doujin" works.istuffedsunny

There is a game that did feature such a controversial thing with the main character doing terrible things. However that game was shunned by the media and generated a lot of controversy.

There are games with themes of rape, such as characters being victims of such horrible things. Usually implied by dialogue or symbolism. I havent seen a game that did not do so in a nonsubtle manner.

but murder is.

most games nowdays allow you to basically indiscriminately kill for whatever reason and this is seen as normal as acceptable.

so why does basically no game allow it, do developers think kids will go out and start raping people. Is it social pressure from society, is violence more acceptable.

Deano

If you something that is kinda close to rape play heavy rain, there is a scene where you play as a woman alone in a dark room and some thug attacks you and you have to fight him off it makes you feel kinda helpless.

[QUOTE="istuffedsunny"]It's an American thing. The US as a nation is sexually repressed and violence obsessed. In Japan rape was perfectly fine in games until recently when outside forces pressured them into censorship. But unlike in the US, you couldn't have games with beheadings and such. Today you can still buy games with rape but they're all self-published "doujin" works.rragnaar

If you want to rape someone in a video game, you should be allowed to do it. You paid good money.

ahahahha jk.

Not to mention it can be deemed offensive by people who are victims of rape.Mega-Mustaine

I think the issue is sexual violence, which includes rape for example and that is a border not crossed by videogames and if anything, the games just allude to rape (like Dead Island). I think that is fair enough, I don't have to experience rape and sexual violence in order to enjoy them, I am not a big fan of gore and brutality anyway. In general, I am curious why people would want to have rape in their games unless they are keen to experience it on a virtual level, on the other hand, the same goes for wargames. It might not make a lot of sense but I am glad that games draw the line right there, I would not play games where you could rape people or torture them.

Rape is likely the most violent and emotionally damaging crime in existence. Thats why.

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Yeah violence is more acceptable. I kind of have to agree. Even though they are games the thought of being able to rape virtual characters just seems really, really wrong.Mega-Mustaine

Not to mention it can be deemed offensive by people who are victims of rape.

Because violence is socially acceptable and rape isn't. Freedom is mostly theoretical. In theory you could make a game about rape, but it would probably be banned in a dozen countries, many stores would refuse to carry it, you'd get sued, members of congress, Fox News going "Why is this allowed?" Free speech is technically legal, but you can get murdered for it. You can say nasty things about Christianity or Jesus because most Christians won't murder you for it. But try saying something bad about some other religions like Judaism or Islam, you might receive a mail bomb or car bomb. Bottom line, video games are a business. They're not there to "push the envelope", they're there to make alot of money.ZombieKiller7

That is true, but what about scenes that showcase a kid watching his parents die in front of him, executed in cold-blooded, in a game like Homefront?

Is that socially acceptable as well?

cencorship and angry crowds of people saying "this game made my son rape a girl" sort of thing and jack thompson would leroy jenkins into the thing it would be a huge freaking mess.lets let the violence and stuff be handled in gta respectively

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[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Yeah violence is more acceptable. I kind of have to agree. Even though they are games the thought of being able to rape virtual characters just seems really, really wrong.Bigbangtheorys

Not to mention it can be deemed offensive by people who are victims of rape.

I'm sure they don't mind.

[QUOTE="Bigbangtheorys"][QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]

Not to mention it can be deemed offensive by people who are victims of rape.

Mega-Mustaine

I'm sure they don't mind.

:)

Probably because such games wouldnt last long on store selves.

Well rape is often considered to be worse than murder in several ways. Plus, why would you want to even do that to begin with? Play Custer's Last stand if you want to do that.