Why is Super Mario Sunshine frowned upon...

...when it is in almost every way better than Super Mario 64, and inspired Super Mario Galaxy? Were people afraid this game offered something TOO unique?? I don't understand. I am very fond of this game, and I am not usually in to Mario games of the recent gens.

It is slightly better than super mario 64 but times changed and with platformers like rayman 2 and jak and daxter the game was dissapointing (imo)

It's because of the FLUDD water pump imo. People expected an epic platformer in the vein of SM64 but got a game that mostly takes place on just one island (if as varied as possible) and best too much on cleaning stuff with the water pump. In my opinion it was a very good platformer but didn't exactly live up to SM64. But I agree that it's far from bad and people just over-exaggerate when they say how terrible it is.

I haven't played it yet, but a lot of people say that they didn't like cleaning in the game

It's frowned upon? :?

It's a perfectly good game IMO

Honestly I have no idea. It's a great and challenging game.

I think it is frowned upon because well Bowser talks and FLUDD was in the game and it lacked the cool power ups of old Mario games.

I personally didn't like how it was based on using a prop and how most of the game was uninteresting to me. Idk, I know a lot of people like this game, but I personally did not. Loved Super Mario 64 and both Galaxy games though.

Super Mario Sunshine Just didn't live up the the Mario legacy

Because it's different. The same reason Super Mario Bros. 2 (U.S) wasn't liked as much as the other SMB games when it came out. The enemies aren't familiar, the power-ups aren't familiar, and they're not fighting the Koopas and it's not the Mushroom Kingdom. So many people shunned because it wasn't "their" Mario. It's shame because it's a great game.

It's very fun, and the game mechanics are spot on, it's also a pretty impressive game graphically for a Gamecube game. I really enjoyed Super Mario Sunshine. Personally, I enjoyed it a lot more than Super Mario 64.

i agree with emerald..

it was a big deviation of the formula and people reacted..

i also feel sales played a part..the gamecube being dominated by the ps2 meant low sales and it gave people reasons to say it was worse than the others.

For me personally it was the annoying water pump cleaning gimmick, which was simply horrid.

Perhaps the GameCube would have done better initially had the main Mario title been something to behold, rather than something that strayed from the proven formula.

It was a good game that got held back due to one glaring flaw: The camera, oh dear Lord the camera!!SciFiCat

I thought the camera was better than in Mario 64.

Because it's different. The same reason Super Mario Bros. 2 (U.S) wasn't liked as much as the other SMB games when it came out. The enemies aren't familiar, the power-ups aren't familiar, and they're not fighting the Koopas and it's not the Mushroom Kingdom. So many people shunned because it wasn't "their" Mario. It's shame because it's a great game.

It's very fun, and the game mechanics are spot on, it's also a pretty impressive game graphically for a Gamecube game. I really enjoyed Super Mario Sunshine. Personally, I enjoyed it a lot more than Super Mario 64.

[QUOTE="SciFiCat"]It was a good game that got held back due to one glaring flaw: The camera, oh dear Lord the camera!!nameless12345

I thought the camera was better than in Mario 64.

...when it is in almost every way better than Super Mario 64, and inspired Super Mario Galaxy? Were people afraid this game offered something TOO unique?? I don't understand. I am very fond of this game, and I am not usually in to Mario games of the recent gens.

pataponplayer

The easy answer is simple: Mario 64 was just that good of a game. All aspects of the game complimented each other perfectly.

Mario 64 was a genre defining title, there was nothing else like it out there at release, and it took years for the competition to catch up, Mario Sunshine on the other hand was irrelevant pretty much immediately on release, with games like Ratchet and Clank making it look like the work of amateurs.

Effectively the Gamecube in general heralded the first time where Nintendo's 1st party titles collectively played second fiddle to 3rd party games, as opposed to influencing the industry. 3rd party companies effectively out Nintendo'd Nintendo with games like Ratchet and Clank, Okami, and Shadow of the Colossus, whilst Nintendo were simply going through the motions and making marginal improvements.

Mario Sunshine was a perfectly fine game, but people expected better.

Mario 64 was a genre defining title, there was nothing else like it out there at release, and it took years for the competition to catch up, Mario Sunshine on the other hand was irrelevant pretty much immediately on release, with games like Ratchet and Clank making it look like the work of amateurs.

Effectively the Gamecube in general heralded the first time where Nintendo's 1st party titles collectively played second fiddle to 3rd party games, as opposed to influencing the industry. 3rd party companies effectively out Nintendo'd Nintendo with games like Ratchet and Clank, Okami, and Shadow of the Colossus, whilst Nintendo were simply going through the motions and making marginal improvements.

Mario Sunshine was a perfectly fine game, but people expected better.

Domino_slayer

I was one of the people let down by Sunshine, at first. However, even then I thought it was a more polished game than any of the ones you listed. A lot of the negativity that surrounded Sunshine was due to the setting--people love the Mushroom Kingdom.

Mario 64 was a genre defining title, there was nothing else like it out there at release, and it took years for the competition to catch up, Mario Sunshine on the other hand was irrelevant pretty much immediately on release, with games like Ratchet and Clank making it look like the work of amateurs.

Effectively the Gamecube in general heralded the first time where Nintendo's 1st party titles collectively played second fiddle to 3rd party games, as opposed to influencing the industry. 3rd party companies effectively out Nintendo'd Nintendo with games like Ratchet and Clank, Okami, and Shadow of the Colossus, whilst Nintendo were simply going through the motions and making marginal improvements.

Mario Sunshine was a perfectly fine game, but people expected better.

Domino_slayer

I never played any Ratchet and Clank (or Jak & Daxter for that matter) games so I can't comment how the game compared to them but I believe it certainly wasn't irrelevant or amateurish. It was a very good platfromer that just didn't quite live up to SM64 and people's expecations.

I also disagree that 3rd parties outdid Nintendo in the GC era. I think Wind Waker was an excelent game and I'd personally place Okami bellow it. Besides, games like F-Zero GX (co-developed by Sega) and Metroid Prime had basically no competition. It's also debatable if SotC is really better than TP. The only thing where 3rd parties had a possible edge was a feeling of freshness (because Nintendo always bets on the "holy trinity" of Mario, Zelda and Metroid).

I loved the game! Really I just love it!

I liked the game, a lot in fact. I had a lot of struggles with it, I remember, like those horrid "Secret in ...." levels. I also remember spending around an hour trying to get up to that platform in the docks area without the jet nozzle, I finally figured out I had to float over there, and then ended up getting thrown off when he had only one more tentacle. Needless to say, I had a couple of stupid moments in that game.

That being said, I liked Super Mario 64 more, and Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 were better experiences for me. But I never even realized people looked down on the game. I have yet to play a Mario game I dislike, except for that stupid Doki Doki Panic port that is called Super Mario Bros. 2.

What were people comparing the game to, though? The Gamceube library needed a good Mario platformer and it got one. So there was no reason to hate something different.

What were people comparing the game to, though? The Gamceube library needed a good Mario platformer and it got one. So there was no reason to hate something different.

pataponplayer

People will hate everything that's different. Wind Waker was hated because of it's cartoony look, Metroid Prime was hated because it was first-person, SMS was hated because it was taking place on just one island and because of the water pump, ect.

^ Yeah, I hate the freaking cartoony graphics on WindWaker. So I guess I can understand other people not liking Sunshine for not being the Mushroom Kingdom. But I also hated the long ocean parts on WindWaker.

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What were people comparing the game to, though? The Gamceube library needed a good Mario platformer and it got one. So there was no reason to hate something different.

nameless12345

People will hate everything that's different. Wind Waker was hated because of it's cartoony look, Metroid Prime was hated because it was first-person, SMS was hated because it was taking place on just one island and because of the water pump, ect.

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[QUOTE="pataponplayer"]

What were people comparing the game to, though? The Gamceube library needed a good Mario platformer and it got one. So there was no reason to hate something different.

BranKetra

People will hate everything that's different. Wind Waker was hated because of it's cartoony look, Metroid Prime was hated because it was first-person, SMS was hated because it was taking place on just one island and because of the water pump, ect.

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[QUOTE="pataponplayer"]

What were people comparing the game to, though? The Gamceube library needed a good Mario platformer and it got one. So there was no reason to hate something different.

BranKetra

People will hate everything that's different. Wind Waker was hated because of it's cartoony look, Metroid Prime was hated because it was first-person, SMS was hated because it was taking place on just one island and because of the water pump, ect.

I didn't say everyone dislike those games but it's pretty common that people respond negatively when they get something they don't expect. Just think about all the hate against SMB.2 - it was far from a bad game but people hated it because it wasn't what they expected.