@tryit: Are you new to Early Access games? It's a staple policy that if you bought a game in Early Access you own the game when it's complete as well. Minus a rare few when it turns out to be made by con-men.
Early Access is not a way to crowdfund development of your product.
You should not use Early Access solely to fund development. If you are counting on selling a specific number of units to complete your game, then you need to think carefully about what it would mean for you or your team if you don't sell that many units. Are you willing to continue developing the game without any sales? Are you willing to seek other forms of investment?
So your question makes no sense.
Would I buy the same game twice on the same platform because the developer got greedy_ no
@tryit: Are you new to Early Access games? It's a staple policy that if you bought a game in Early Access you own the game when it's complete as well. Minus a rare few when it turns out to be made by con-men.
Early Access is not a way to crowdfund development of your product.
You should not use Early Access solely to fund development. If you are counting on selling a specific number of units to complete your game, then you need to think carefully about what it would mean for you or your team if you don't sell that many units. Are you willing to continue developing the game without any sales? Are you willing to seek other forms of investment?
So your question makes no sense.
Would I buy the same game twice on the same platform because the developer got greedy_ no
no actually I am just the inverse. I adore early access.
I am just curious if nasayers are going to start buying games like Subnautica now that its out
If it has a interested customer market and meets a certain level of word-of-mouth maybe, and that's it. . a maybe
However, I've seen it advertised before and it's not on my personal radar. So for me, no.
It's like me asking if you bought War for the Overworld when it got out Early Access? And my random guess is you didn't even know it existed am I right? and even now probably have a lack of interest_
But I don't mind, it's clearly poorly marketed and set towards fans of RTS God-sims. I expect little else to pay that game any interest.
Once you take in how investment or interest works (games heavily advertised works differently but this is more a self advertised question) you'll realise Early Access to final game is only a selling point to some. Many just want a game fit towards a certain palette they enjoy.
I have many Early Access games, and to me it's because I wanted something in particular.
I have bought a fair amount of early access games because they appealed to me. I did some research before buying to make sure they were being developed by a decent team or that they were at a good stage in development. The only bad experience I had with an early access game was with Of Kings and Men which the developers stopped working on :(. I think it’s a shame because I really enjoyed the combat in that game. That’s the main risk with early access titles.
If it has a interested customer market and meets a certain level of word-of-mouth maybe, and that's it. . a maybe
However, I've seen it advertised before and it's not on my personal radar. So for me, no.
It's like me asking if you bought War for the Overworld when it got out Early Access? And my random guess is you didn't even know it existed am I right? and even now probably have a lack of interest_
But I don't mind, it's clearly poorly marketed and set towards fans of RTS God-sims. I expect little else to pay that game any interest.
Once you take in how investment or interest works (games heavily advertised works differently but this is more a self advertised question) you'll realise Early Access to final game is only a selling point to some. Many just want a game fit towards a certain palette they enjoy.
I have many Early Access games, and to me it's because I wanted something in particular.
for the record Subnautica is an outstandingly very good game. it has considerable more game play and immersion then most AAA titles.
That said, my question is not really related to the quality of Subnautica specifically but rather when people yell and scream thta they will never buy an early access title my question is very simply, will they buy them once they are out of early access.
I think your answer is yes but only if its advertised as being awesome by some gamespot kids jumping up and down telling you how cool it is.
@tryit: I really don't care what you think makes a game great to be honest. and Gamespot/ mass of Forum Users never advertised War for the Overworld so that seems to be a joke on you lol.
Seems to me you found a game you like and salty no one else cares. After all you've mentioned the same list of Indie games since you arrived like a broken record. Funny how I just used one self example of an Indie but don't care that you've never given it the time of day. While you feel the need to aggro anyone who doesn't play your games.
If you like that ocean game? that's cool, truly. . but that doesn't mean I'm going to rush out and buy a game that premise is pet dolphins under the sea like some Disney Princess!
@tryit: I really don't care what you think makes a game great to be honest. and Gamespot never advertised War for the Overworld so that seems to be a joke on you lol.
Seems to me you found a game you like and salty no one else cares. Aftet all you've mentioned the same list of Indie games since you arrived like a broken record. Funny how I just used one self example of an Indie but don't care that you've never given it the time of day.
If you like that ocean game? that's cool, truly. . but that doesn't mean I'm going to rush out and buy a game that premise is pet dolphins under the sea like some Disney Princess!
game play and immersion then most AAA titles
Name five, and will check if I agree
really? like a 'broken record' I have been posting in the game section of these forums? I think you are blowing things WAY out of scale.
Are there sheep robots who refuse to improve their gaming experence by even taking a small serious look at the games I suggest? yes.
Do they complain about their gaming life while I dont? yes
Does that make me salty sad? yes
but it also confirms what I already knew the excuse of 'I will not look at Early Access Titles!' really is 'I will not look at AA indie titles regardless
After all you've mentioned the same list of Indie games since you arrived like a broken record.
lol yep he shoehorns indie games into every single f*ckin post he makes, even if it's nothing to do with the topic. he's convinced himself he's better than anyone who's not playing the same games as him.
@tryit said:
really? like a 'broken record' I have been posting in the game section of these forums? I think you are blowing things WAY out of scale.
Are there sheep robots who refuse to improve their gaming experence by even taking a small serious look at the games I suggest? yes.
Do they complain about their gaming life while I dont? yes
Does that make me salty sad? yes
but it also confirms what I already knew the excuse of 'I will not look at Early Access Titles!' really is 'I will not look at AA indie titles regardless
After all you've mentioned the same list of Indie games since you arrived like a broken record.
lol yep he shoehorns indie games into every single f*ckin post he makes, even if it's nothing to do with the topic. he's convinced himself he's better than anyone who's not playing the same games as him.
@tryit said:
really? like a 'broken record' I have been posting in the game section of these forums? I think you are blowing things WAY out of scale.
Are there sheep robots who refuse to improve their gaming experence by even taking a small serious look at the games I suggest? yes.
Do they complain about their gaming life while I dont? yes
Does that make me salty sad? yes
but it also confirms what I already knew the excuse of 'I will not look at Early Access Titles!' really is 'I will not look at AA indie titles regardless
I get it.
case in point
dude I post about 1 per day in games. I live more in poltical. stop playing the victim jesus H
Early Access is not a way to crowdfund development of your product.
You should not use Early Access solely to fund development. If you are counting on selling a specific number of units to complete your game, then you need to think carefully about what it would mean for you or your team if you don't sell that many units. Are you willing to continue developing the game without any sales? Are you willing to seek other forms of investment?
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"You should not use Early Access solely to fund development."
So it's fine to use it partially to fund development? Then what constitutes a part? 10%? 95%?
It's all just a way to pass the risk on to the customer.
Early Access is not a way to crowdfund development of your product.
You should not use Early Access solely to fund development. If you are counting on selling a specific number of units to complete your game, then you need to think carefully about what it would mean for you or your team if you don't sell that many units. Are you willing to continue developing the game without any sales? Are you willing to seek other forms of investment?
----
"You should not use Early Access solely to fund development."
So it's fine to use it partially to fund development? Then what constitutes a part? 10%? 95%?
It's all just a way to pass the risk on to the customer.
to be honest the vast majority of gamers are looking at it wrong.
if game appears fun as it is current, then buy, else dont.
I buy a lot of early access titles, I do NOT see it as an investment, yes I know the arguement can be made bla bla bla but that is not WHY I buy it.
I buy it because I WANT to build a fort to protect me from zombies in 7 days to die. its because the game play as it is when i buy it appears to me to be intresting.
an odd sort of gamer I am, I buy and play based souly 100% if it seems fun to do so, I have also been known to worship the devil and eat babies but dont tell anyone and a horrid speller
Early Access is not a way to crowdfund development of your product.
You should not use Early Access solely to fund development. If you are counting on selling a specific number of units to complete your game, then you need to think carefully about what it would mean for you or your team if you don't sell that many units. Are you willing to continue developing the game without any sales? Are you willing to seek other forms of investment?
----
"You should not use Early Access solely to fund development."
So it's fine to use it partially to fund development? Then what constitutes a part? 10%? 95%?
It's all just a way to pass the risk on to the customer.
to be honest the vast majority of gamers are looking at it wrong.
if game appears fun as it is current, then buy, else dont.
I buy a lot of early access titles, I do NOT see it as an investment, yes I know the arguement can be made bla bla bla but that is not WHY I buy it.
I buy it because I WANT to build a fort to protect me from zombies in 7 days to die. its because the game play as it is when i buy it appears to me to be intresting.
an odd sort of gamer I am, I buy and play based souly 100% if it seems fun to do so, I have also been known to worship the devil and eat babies but dont tell anyone and a horrid speller
But what's that got to do with the early access program and how it is presented?
Early Access is not a way to crowdfund development of your product.
You should not use Early Access solely to fund development. If you are counting on selling a specific number of units to complete your game, then you need to think carefully about what it would mean for you or your team if you don't sell that many units. Are you willing to continue developing the game without any sales? Are you willing to seek other forms of investment?
----
"You should not use Early Access solely to fund development."
So it's fine to use it partially to fund development? Then what constitutes a part? 10%? 95%?
It's all just a way to pass the risk on to the customer.
to be honest the vast majority of gamers are looking at it wrong.
if game appears fun as it is current, then buy, else dont.
I buy a lot of early access titles, I do NOT see it as an investment, yes I know the arguement can be made bla bla bla but that is not WHY I buy it.
I buy it because I WANT to build a fort to protect me from zombies in 7 days to die. its because the game play as it is when i buy it appears to me to be intresting.
an odd sort of gamer I am, I buy and play based souly 100% if it seems fun to do so, I have also been known to worship the devil and eat babies but dont tell anyone and a horrid speller
But what's that got to do with the early access program and how it is presented?
because it illustrates that as a consumer it doesnt matter a bit how its presented.
the entire conversation about how its presented is a useless exercise and a waste of time.
Early Access is not a way to crowdfund development of your product.
You should not use Early Access solely to fund development. If you are counting on selling a specific number of units to complete your game, then you need to think carefully about what it would mean for you or your team if you don't sell that many units. Are you willing to continue developing the game without any sales? Are you willing to seek other forms of investment?
----
"You should not use Early Access solely to fund development."
So it's fine to use it partially to fund development? Then what constitutes a part? 10%? 95%?
It's all just a way to pass the risk on to the customer.
to be honest the vast majority of gamers are looking at it wrong.
if game appears fun as it is current, then buy, else dont.
I buy a lot of early access titles, I do NOT see it as an investment, yes I know the arguement can be made bla bla bla but that is not WHY I buy it.
I buy it because I WANT to build a fort to protect me from zombies in 7 days to die. its because the game play as it is when i buy it appears to me to be intresting.
an odd sort of gamer I am, I buy and play based souly 100% if it seems fun to do so, I have also been known to worship the devil and eat babies but dont tell anyone and a horrid speller
But what's that got to do with the early access program and how it is presented?
because it illustrates that as a consumer it doesnt matter a bit how its presented.
the entire conversation about how its presented is a useless exercise and a waste of time.
that is why
All games are all in an equally completed condition to you?
@tryit: If I was against Early Access games, or games rarely noticed I wouldn't have recommended The Vagrant a while back here in GD when someone asked about good Artistic platformers. Another Early Acces game I'm sure you've never read about or seen. Again though, don't care if you play it, the game has a certain market and player-base.
You're a hypocrite thinking your narrow selection of games 'you' enjoy is the only worth-while set of games not getting attention, and using Early Access and the word Indie as a lullaby. And based on your Copy and Paste narrow list I've probably played more underrated games than you so_
@Macutchi said:
lol yep he shoehorns indie games into every single f*ckin post he makes, even if it's nothing to do with the topic. he's convinced himself he's better than anyone who's not playing the same games as him.
Not only that but doesn't even remotely take in other peoples replies, different appeals in the gaming market and continues to assume his taste in games is somekind of profound law in the universe.
I'm sure his swimming with the fishes is a great game (maybe), for people who want to swim with fishes.
For me, that seems really boring, I also thought Journey was boring, which was all about walking in sand. I'm sure games like that have an audience, but not everyone has to bow towards one persons enjoyment in gaming. And blaming Gamers overall and games being in Early Access seems like a lame excuse.
By all means, love the games you love. Even make it known, but don't be a douche if no one else is playing it in the Forums.
Player Unknown Battlegrounds is probably the most played game on Steam now and from 2017, that was Early Access and no longer is. The shift did nothing to change this. It's a game many wanted to try out, many clearly love the idea of being on a big survival styled map, hiding in building and blasting players in the face with a shotgun/ sniper, and sub machine guns. And I'm one of them, seemed like fun.
Why? it just so happens I like the focus on Survival and Shotguns is the icing on the cake. Even then I got bored after about 20 matches and haven't dived back in PUBG since.
As an AA game, I really enjoy playing the Starpoint Gemini series, even more than some AAA titles. But I don't expect people to feel the same and I sure as hell won't criticize them for disagreeing with me. In fact, shoving your opinion down other people's throats makes them hate your opinion even more. That's why people despise the Undertale and FNAF community.
Early Access is not a way to crowdfund development of your product.
You should not use Early Access solely to fund development. If you are counting on selling a specific number of units to complete your game, then you need to think carefully about what it would mean for you or your team if you don't sell that many units. Are you willing to continue developing the game without any sales? Are you willing to seek other forms of investment?
----
"You should not use Early Access solely to fund development."
So it's fine to use it partially to fund development? Then what constitutes a part? 10%? 95%?
It's all just a way to pass the risk on to the customer.
to be honest the vast majority of gamers are looking at it wrong.
if game appears fun as it is current, then buy, else dont.
I buy a lot of early access titles, I do NOT see it as an investment, yes I know the arguement can be made bla bla bla but that is not WHY I buy it.
I buy it because I WANT to build a fort to protect me from zombies in 7 days to die. its because the game play as it is when i buy it appears to me to be intresting.
an odd sort of gamer I am, I buy and play based souly 100% if it seems fun to do so, I have also been known to worship the devil and eat babies but dont tell anyone and a horrid speller
But what's that got to do with the early access program and how it is presented?
because it illustrates that as a consumer it doesnt matter a bit how its presented.
the entire conversation about how its presented is a useless exercise and a waste of time.
that is why
All games are all in an equally completed condition to you?
read what I said again. I dont know how I can possibly explain it anymore clear.
IT DOES NOT MATTER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a game is not more fun because its completed. Subnautica when it was incompleted was more fun than many completed games I have played. it does not matter.
I am a different bread of gamer, I buy and play based 10000000000000000000000000000000000% ONLY if the experience is fun. that is my only determination.
@tryit: If I was against Early Access games, or games rarely noticed I wouldn't have recommended The Vagrant a while back here in GD when someone asked about good Artistic platformers. Another Early Acces game I'm sure you've never read about or seen. Again though, don't care if you play it, the game has a certain market and player-base.
You're a hypocrite thinking your narrow selection of games 'you' enjoy is the only worth-while set of games not getting attention, and using Early Access and the word Indie as a lullaby. And based on your Copy and Paste narrow list I've probably played more underrated games than you so_
@Macutchi said:
lol yep he shoehorns indie games into every single f*ckin post he makes, even if it's nothing to do with the topic. he's convinced himself he's better than anyone who's not playing the same games as him.
Not only that but doesn't even remotely take in other peoples replies, different appeals in the gaming market and continues to assume his taste in games is somekind of profound law in the universe.
I'm sure his swimming with the fishes is a great game (maybe), for people who want to swim with fishes.
For me, that seems really boring, I also thought Journey was boring, which was all about walking in sand. I'm sure games like that have an audience, but not everyone has to bow towards one persons enjoyment in gaming. And blaming Gamers overall and games being in Early Access seems like a lame excuse.
By all means, love the games you love. Even make it known, but don't be a douche if no one else is playing it in the Forums.
Player Unknown Battlegrounds is probably the most played game on Steam now and from 2017, that was Early Access and no longer is. The shift did nothing to change this. It's a game many wanted to try out, many clearly love the idea of being on a big survival styled map, hiding in building and blasting players in the face with a shotgun/ sniper, and sub machine guns. And I'm one of them, seemed like fun.
Why? it just so happens I like the focus on Survival and Shotguns is the icing on the cake. Even then I got bored after about 20 matches and haven't dived back in PUBG since.
#differentstrokesfordifferentfolks
given the time and passion you have given to this I think you are trying to convince yourself not me.
I am fairly confident you have zero idea what the games are like in question, no idea what the game play is like at all whatsoever, havent even looked at them. no idea even what type of game it would be, at all zip..nada.
@tryit: I really don't care what you think makes a game great to be honest. and Gamespot/ mass of Forum Users never advertised War for the Overworld so that seems to be a joke on you lol.
Seems to me you found a game you like and salty no one else cares. After all you've mentioned the same list of Indie games since you arrived like a broken record. Funny how I just used one self example of an Indie but don't care that you've never given it the time of day. While you feel the need to aggro anyone who doesn't play your games.
If you like that ocean game? that's cool, truly. . but that doesn't mean I'm going to rush out and buy a game that premise is pet dolphins under the sea like some Disney Princess!
game play and immersion then most AAA titles
Name five, and will check if I agree
name 5 games in that are not as good as Subnautica?
ok
Stalker (which I felt was a horrible game cheating players into thinking its open world when it was in fact completley on rails)
Fallout 3 (combat was awful. total immersion killer)
Grand Theft Auto (all of them) - claims to be open world but its not, you have to do missions in order for 1/2 the friggin map to open up!!!!!!!!!!!
those are the ones I have played, if you like I can get more that I havent played that from looking at videos looks completely ridiculous. like The Division for example
those are the ones I have played, if you like I can get more that I havent played that from looking at videos looks completely ridiculous. like The Division for example
and you cant build %^&* in ANY of them
He asked you to name 5 and you named 3 (bad examples too)... and you want to talk sh*t on games you haven't even played? And what does it mean that you can't build in those games? Is Minecraft your favorite game then?
those are the ones I have played, if you like I can get more that I havent played that from looking at videos looks completely ridiculous. like The Division for example
and you cant build %^&* in ANY of them
He asked you to name 5 and you named 3 (bad examples too)... and you want to talk sh*t on games you haven't even played? And what does it mean that you can't build in those games? Is Minecraft your favorite game then?
ok then, like I said i will be more than happy to add more
Battlefront 2...really? COD with a different skin?
Rising Dead 3 - WTF?????????????????
here are some more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vBxIxhHHEs
these games are HORRIBLE...absolutly horrible. Story is awful, game takes control away from you constantly, repetitive, the same game different name over and over and over again, limited game play, and they hold your hand and treat you like you have no clue.
are you actually serious? AND you cant even build or craft anything in about 99% of these games
here is the thing...I HAVE played AAA titles and when I see game play I KNOW what its like becuase I have BEEN there. I doubt you have a single solitary clue even what Subnautica is
@tryit: i think rsm meant name five games you play that have better gameplay and are more immersive than most aaa titles
ok then add Sims 3 and Batman Arkam.
not sure what idoitc point your trying to make here. I mean come if you have played AAA titles you dont NEED to play Batman to know how it plays you can easily figure that out by watching a viedeo.
now..
your turn...
what is Subnautica like? have you played it? it seems like its just a one way street here, one side has to have played (and not just watched) 5 AAA titles but the other side can not even know what the games are form the other side let alone what they are like or having played them
@tryit: Don't worry I know about Subnautica and I think the game is great.
But I'm saying you're not being objective when you talk about AAA and AA games. Sounds like you only care about the story in the game and if the game lets you be free enough to build things.
I assume you think all hack n slash games are trash because they don't have a touching story? Some games are great because they are just fun to play.
@tryit: Don't worry I know about Subnautica and I think the game is great.
But I'm saying you're not being objective when you talk about AAA and AA games. Sounds like you only care about the story in the game and if the game lets you be free enough to build things.
I assume you think all hack n slash games are trash because they don't have a touching story? Some games are great because they are just fun to play.
no you are being COMPLELETY one sided about this
one side: doesnt know what the games in question are like, have never seen them, never witnessed a video, never played them but that is is the side that wants the OTHER side to have played (and not just viewed on youtube) 5 AAA games and only those of good examples.
@tryit: i think rsm meant name five games you play that have better gameplay and are more immersive than most aaa titles
ok then add Sims 3 and Batman Arkam.
not sure what idoitc point your trying to make here. I mean come if you have played AAA titles you dont NEED to play Batman to know how it plays you can easily figure that out by watching a viedeo.
now..
your turn...
what is Subnautica like? have you played it? it seems like its just a one way street here, one side has to have played (and not just watched) 5 AAA titles but the other side can not even know what the games are form the other side let alone what they are like or having played them
no you spaz, from all the games you talk about playing, name five of them that have better gameplay and are more immersive than most aaa titles. and it's not even my question to you i'm just trying to tell you what i think rsm was asking you to do.
and subnautica is the submarine underwater base building / resource collecting thing as far as i remember. saw that it got good reviews. not really my cup of tea. amazing isn't it, people have different tastes
@tryit: i think rsm meant name five games you play that have better gameplay and are more immersive than most aaa titles
ok then add Sims 3 and Batman Arkam.
not sure what idoitc point your trying to make here. I mean come if you have played AAA titles you dont NEED to play Batman to know how it plays you can easily figure that out by watching a viedeo.
now..
your turn...
what is Subnautica like? have you played it? it seems like its just a one way street here, one side has to have played (and not just watched) 5 AAA titles but the other side can not even know what the games are form the other side let alone what they are like or having played them
no you spaz, from all the games you talk about playing, name five of them that have better gameplay and are more immersive than most aaa titles. and it's not even my question to you i'm just trying to tell you what i think rsm was asking you to do.
and subnautica is the submarine underwater base building / resource collecting thing as far as i remember. saw that it got good reviews. not really my cup of tea. amazing isn't it, people have different tastes
nope.
this is stupid.
There are two sides to this arguement and one side absolutly refuses to even LOOK at the games I am refering to all the while making demands on the other person. nope...this is bull $%^&*
name me 5 games you have played that have game play better then subnautica (that you have played personally and not just seen a video that represents 100% what game play is like)
oh and add Bioshock a game I have actually played so I can validate that the game play is in fact like the youtube videos to your list. so there you have it 4 that I have %^&*( PLAYED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and not just seen a video on
@tryit: i think rsm meant name five games you play that have better gameplay and are more immersive than most aaa titles
ok then add Sims 3 and Batman Arkam.
not sure what idoitc point your trying to make here. I mean come if you have played AAA titles you dont NEED to play Batman to know how it plays you can easily figure that out by watching a viedeo.
now..
your turn...
what is Subnautica like? have you played it? it seems like its just a one way street here, one side has to have played (and not just watched) 5 AAA titles but the other side can not even know what the games are form the other side let alone what they are like or having played them
no you spaz, from all the games you talk about playing, name five of them that have better gameplay and are more immersive than most aaa titles. and it's not even my question to you i'm just trying to tell you what i think rsm was asking you to do.
and subnautica is the submarine underwater base building / resource collecting thing as far as i remember. saw that it got good reviews. not really my cup of tea. amazing isn't it, people have different tastes
nope.
this is stupid.
There are two sides to this arguement and one side absolutly refuses to even LOOK at the games I am refering to all the while making demands on the other person. nope...this is bull $%^&*
name me 5 games you have played that have game play better then subnautica (that you have played personally and not just seen a video that represents 100% what game play is like)
oh and add Bioshock a game I have actually played so I can validate that the game play is in fact like the youtube videos to your list. so there you have it 4 that I have %^&*( PLAYED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and not just seen a video on
not sure what idoitc point your trying to make here. I mean come if you have played AAA titles you dont NEED to play Batman to know how it plays you can easily figure that out by watching a viedeo.
now..
your turn...
what is Subnautica like? have you played it? it seems like its just a one way street here, one side has to have played (and not just watched) 5 AAA titles but the other side can not even know what the games are form the other side let alone what they are like or having played them
no you spaz, from all the games you talk about playing, name five of them that have better gameplay and are more immersive than most aaa titles. and it's not even my question to you i'm just trying to tell you what i think rsm was asking you to do.
and subnautica is the submarine underwater base building / resource collecting thing as far as i remember. saw that it got good reviews. not really my cup of tea. amazing isn't it, people have different tastes
nope.
this is stupid.
There are two sides to this arguement and one side absolutly refuses to even LOOK at the games I am refering to all the while making demands on the other person. nope...this is bull $%^&*
name me 5 games you have played that have game play better then subnautica (that you have played personally and not just seen a video that represents 100% what game play is like)
oh and add Bioshock a game I have actually played so I can validate that the game play is in fact like the youtube videos to your list. so there you have it 4 that I have %^&*( PLAYED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and not just seen a video on
lol. i think i made it mad
absolutely did.
I find it really insulting and I absolutly do not believe a person when they try to suggest watching a video of a game and playing is is two completely different experiences, that the video gives you absolutly zero sense of what the game play is like.
I know a person saying that is not that stupid, but they think other people will fall for that line of logic
'it' is also insulting when a person demands a high level of knowedge of one side of the arguement but they themselves have ZERO knowedge of the other side of the arguement
and on top of it all, if I am wrong, you dont need to even employ such sucky tactics to proove yourself. no need at all
Stalker (which I felt was a horrible game cheating players into thinking its open world when it was in fact completley on rails)
Fallout 3 (combat was awful. total immersion killer)
Grand Theft Auto (all of them) - claims to be open world but its not, you have to do missions in order for 1/2 the friggin map to open up!!!!!!!!!!
Fail!
So you couldn't name anything recent, your argument is much weaker as a result, what cave have you lived under-
S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2007-2009?
Fallout 3 2008
GTA 1997-2013?
and no S.T.A.L.K.E.R game is AAA towards the point your notion is laughable, for a Gamer fixated on budget and what AAA is you really dropped the ball (again). Let alone which S.T.A.L.K.E.R? Do you even know, the quality of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R games have highs and lows_
Regardless, if they're the last 'AAA' games you've played I hate to tell you they're not really worth criticising the AAA market in 2018 due to ignorance.
Except Grand Theft Auto V; maybe. However the sly "all of them" is pretty stupid considering they started as a top-down sprite shooter. So which ever one you played is likely older than V.
I stick with my previous statement. Hypocrite is an accurate word_
But for the record only series out that bunch I even remotely invest in fondly is S.T.A.L.K.E.R and you couldn't even name a particular entry.
and you cant build %^&* in ANY of them
Are they designed around building mechanics? Simple question_ No. I'm sure to you all games should have building mechanics however that says more about you than the games and the quality of product.
All I ever do is trash Fallout 3, I have much to dislike. Yet, not once have I gone "I should build stuff here". That's the worst/ most clunky feature in FO4!
Stalker (which I felt was a horrible game cheating players into thinking its open world when it was in fact completley on rails)
Fallout 3 (combat was awful. total immersion killer)
Grand Theft Auto (all of them) - claims to be open world but its not, you have to do missions in order for 1/2 the friggin map to open up!!!!!!!!!!
Fail!
I stopped reading right there.
1. you CAN watch a youtube video of game play and get a good idea of what game play is like. Its insulting to think you think I am that stupid. Of COURSE you dont have to play the game for your opinion to matter, that is unbelievably asaine.
2. how do you know the game play in subnautica is not better? have YOU tried it? or even seen a video? or even know what its about? at all ? even a bit.?
I refuse to engage in a debate where one side is demanding from the other side something they themselves will not do either. I also refuse to engage in a debate with people who think youtube video gives you ZERO sense of what the game is like that is stupid.
and for the love of good a AAA game in 2008 is not any different then a AAA game in 2017 give me a break.
how do I know? I watch vidoes! oh noes say it aint so how can you possibly understand a shooter by just watching the videos!
He's obviously trolling. He says we're one sided but he obviously hates AAA games and talks trash on games he never played. He spends the whole day disagreeing with people on everything. Troll
He's obviously trolling. He says we're one sided but he obviously hates AAA games and talks trash on games he never played. He spends the whole day disagreeing with people on everything. Troll
He's obviously trolling. He says we're one sided but he obviously hates AAA games and talks trash on games he never played. He spends the whole day disagreeing with people on everything. Troll
Agreed
i actually do hate AAA games. Not sure how the truth is trolling but people here are far more defensive about this then even people are in political forums about trump.
Early Access is no different to me than any other game purchase: do your research; understand what your own purchasing habits are; and before pulling the trigger, sleep on your decision.
Most Early Access purchases I am quite happy with--I play the crap out of Stonehearth currently, and enjoyed Kerbal Space Program for what seemed like the entirety of its development--but many I felt were just OK, and very very few I regret.
People expect too much from Early Access, like they actually get something more from it, when the truth is you generally get something less, and that is what they should expect because you are buying a game that is still in development.
I generally wait for the games to get a full release rather then get it at early access, Mostly cause I'm a little ol'school and don't see why I should pay for a alpha or beta products that might not even be released because the developers will then net a loss in revenue if their consumers have already bought it over a year ago.
Personally I won't buy Early Access games anymore. I used to buy a lot of them that seemed interesting but Devs kept running away and abandoning them so I stopped.
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