Xbox 720: Digitally Distributed?

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#1 nosferatu
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It's fairly obvious right now that MS definitely thinks that digital distribution is the way of the future. Developers also seem to embrace this idea as it can potentially circumvent the need for a publisher (although marketing, etc costs probably would still warrant their presence) and because it effectively eliminates the used game business (which they don't see a dime from).

If MS doesn't go digital distribution on their next console they will almost assuredly be forced into using BluRay media unless steady state memory drops dramatically in price over the next couple of years. In the BD scenario they must pay royalties to the BDA, which Sony is a majority stake member of. Do they really want to pay their competition for every game they sell?

So we look at their current position. They keep consistently, but slowly, raising the XBLA download size limit and price limit. This almost comes across as a testing the waters, step by step, to see if/where consumers draw the line. It also inches us towards acceptance as we are much less likely to balk at an incremental change.

The most significant problem with this method is broadband penetration rate in most countries is probably too low to accomplish this. I can't help but wonder if they may develop a workaround for this utilizing current retail channels though. "Download the latest games to your Zune at the nearest Best Buy and transfer them to your 720, no need to wait!"

I think we can all agree that Sony will stick with their new disc format, but which way do you guys think MS will go?

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#2 rctyke
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It will be a very long time before Digital Distribution will be mainstream to the public and replace the optical disc format (which will take much longer), microsoft will certainly support the new Blu ray disc format for their new console. The thing I want in the next generation of consoles is the ability of burning in your DVD and Blu ray collections, with a 5TB drive (at least) I'll be a happy man that can be able to watch his movies without needing to change disc.
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#3 E3BigC
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They're already considering a Blu-Ray drive for the 360, it might even be confirmed already (there are a bunch of weird rumors about this and I don't remember which ones were true), so I don't think they would be too concerned. Digital distribution is a long way away, and to be quite honest I prefer having hard copies of things to digital storage devices holding them. I don't understand what the fascination with digital distribution is (with the exception of music). I think it's only nice with portable media players. Otherwise, I prefer hard copies of movies because you can transport them much easier, there is no need to spend hours downloading them and eating up your bandwidth so you cant do other things online, like game, and optical discs arent restricted to one device that they can play off of. That's just my opinion tho.
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#4 Dire_Weasel
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There will definitely be a media drive of some sort on the next Xbox, and they will ship games on it. I'm sure digitial distribution will increase next gen, but the public definitely still wants hard copies of games... unlike digitially distributed games, they can be resold.
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#5 Vampyronight
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Well, if it were true, then I know which console not to get next time already.

Seriously, I'm quite opposed to DD on closed platforms. With my PC, where I have full control of the hardware used and build quality, as well as being assured that no upgrade (or for consoles, buying the next generation) will make me unable to play, I'm willing to play ball a bit. I still prefer disc copies, but I'd consider a digital version for the right price. But never anything but small games for consoles.

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#6 martialbullet
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I think digital distribution should just be an option. Somewhere along the way, Microsoft will sell games through LIVE giving the consumers an option. But the thing is, many prefer hard copies over downloads. I know I do.
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#7 AtomicTangerine
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Digital distribution has been the future for way too long. People always say it is on the brink of taking over, but nothing ever materializes.

Then again, Steam is really taking off. However, almost every game on Steam has a retail equivalent as well. Still, I bet there are quite a few people who just have tons of digital games saved up, and the Xbox Live Arcade has bigger, higher production games than I thought I would ever see.

At best, it will be an option, but it will probably be even less than that. Some games might let you download them, but I'm betting most console games will be staying retail only for at least another cycle of consoles.

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I think it will at most just be an option for Microsoft's next console and I'm pretty certain that their next console will have a Blu-ray drive. I doubt they have many qualms about using BR. Personally I still prefer getting the actual hard-copies of the games because I like the packaging and the ability to sell or trade them in if I feel like it but having a choice is always the best just in case a digitally distributed game has a good enough amount of perks over the physical copy.
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#9 RippedFubar
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trust me it is hard to get pepoel to change there habits. they said that the internet would end the need for book stores and shopping malls and stores. but pepoel like going out and getting things it gets them out of the house and is fun. only the relly lazzy would rather sit at home and shop. I love going to the game store and buying games and I don't care if it cost $10 less to get it online
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#10 Fignewton50
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I'm sure Microsoft cringes at the thought of implementing a BR drive in their next console, however DD continues to have it's shortcomings.

I would love a DD method on the next Xbox. I watch movies at home almost exclusively on DD through my cable box. If they were able to implement a large enough HDD, DD could be a real hit. No more waiting in line at midnight to get your copy of the game, no more scratched discs, and no more profits for huge retailers sounds good to me.

However, the size of games is increasing. Can the broadband infrastructure keep up and be a reliable method to transfer multiple gigabyte games to users around the world? I'm sure Microsoft is evaluating this, and I'd sure like to see them try.

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#11 braindead_hero
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full games are getting far too big to be digitally distributed games on ps3 are getting upto 50GB and if the next xbox wants to really compete its gonna have to get much bigger then the current max of 9GB on 360 so they're going to have to go with blu-ray in my opinion
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#12 Teuf_
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Not a chance. In the US broadband penetration is too far behind, and retail chains have too much pull. No brick & mortar store is going to sell expensive consoles for little/no profit if there's no software to sell.
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Not a chance. In the US broadband penetration is too far behind, and retail chains have too much pull. No brick & mortar store is going to sell expensive consoles for little/no profit if there's no software to sell.Teufelhuhn

And if BB penetration is lagging behind in the US, you can imagine how things are for us peeps on the rest of the world. We need fatter tubes first, before thinking of DD as a feasible substitute to physical media (optical or otherwise).

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Not a chance. In the US broadband penetration is too far behind, and retail chains have too much pull. No brick & mortar store is going to sell expensive consoles for little/no profit if there's no software to sell.SteelAttack

And if BB penetration is lagging behind in the US, you can imagine how things are for us peeps on the rest of the world. We need fatter tubes first, before thinking of DD as a feasible substitute to physical media (optical or otherwise).

This is definitely an issue. I think DD is the way of the future, but I think it is a ways off...

On a seperate note, I don't think it is just MS that is blazing the digital distribution trail. When you've got services like Steam doing as well as they do, and when I can download Gran Turismo 5 Prologue or Warhawk on my PS3, and Nintendo has huge hits with the Virtual Console and WiiWare, I think it is safe to say that all of these content deliverers are trying to nudge us towards downloading more and going out shopping less. I think it is just as likely to see Nintendo or Sony push digital distribution as heavily with their next consoles. I like having a huge choice of games that I can start up straight off of the hard drive, and as long as the big three don't get evil with their DRM, I am all for digital distribution.

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On a seperate note, I don't think it is just MS that is blazing the digital distribution trail. When you've got services like Steam doing as well as they do, and when I can download Gran Turismo 5 Prologue or Warhawk on my PS3, and Nintendo has huge hits with the Virtual Console and WiiWare, I think it is safe to say that all of these content deliverers are trying to nudge us towards downloading more and going out shopping less. I think it is just as likely to see Nintendo or Sony push digital distribution as heavily with their next consoles. I like having a huge choice of games that I can start up straight off of the hard drive, and as long as the big three don't get evil with their DRM, I am all for digital distribution.

rragnaar

Oh, definitely. That's some interesting stuff you bring to the table. I think each one of the big three have been taking their first wobbly steps towards that bright DD future, and in a way, they've all succeeded, to a degree.