You are now in 1993, your parents will only buy you either a 3DO or a Jaguar

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

So was the SNES port :P

nameless12345

SNES port of Doom. They said it was "impossible", but they eventually made it. It used the 2nd gen Super FX chip and was heavily downgraded, but it worked.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

So was the SNES port :P

nameless12345

SNES port of Doom. They said it was "impossible", but they eventually made it. It used the 2nd gen Super FX chip and was heavily downgraded, but it worked.

Yes but we were talking about Quake not doom though. Hence why we got confused.

3DO had a better lineup, so I'd go with it based on my current knowledge. Without my current knowledge, I would have gotten a Jag.SteveTabernacle

Wow, that's exactly what I would have done. Jaguar was marketed as a the ultimate graphics console. And back then, the graphics were what I thought it was all about. Now that I'm older I realize that gameplay is really the most important thing about a game. And I know a little more about the 3DO's and Jaguar's libraries thanks to Wikipedia, Amazon.com, and YouTube.

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]3DO had a better lineup, so I'd go with it based on my current knowledge. Without my current knowledge, I would have gotten a Jag.Emerald_Warrior

Wow, that's exactly what I would have done. Jaguar was marketed as a the ultimate graphics console. And back then, the graphics were what I thought it was all about. Now that I'm older I realize that gameplay is really the most important thing about a game. And I know a little more about the 3DO's and Jaguar's libraries thanks to Wikipedia, Amazon.com, and YouTube.

Well back then, I knew it was about gameplay. Graphics were never really the msot important thing back in those days to me, and still is not. So even back then for me gameplay was always important, I never needed to realize that as I got older. However, there were games back then I loved and I see as heavily flawed, now I can identify flaws better. so that was my flaw....I can see mechanics, back then I did not.

3DO had a better lineup, so I'd go with it based on my current knowledge. Without my current knowledge, I would have gotten a Jag.SteveTabernacle

It did not help that Atari used false advertising for the Jaguar, claiming it falsely was a 64 bit machine where as it only had two 32 bit chips in it. As some one pointed out the Saturn had more then two 32 bit processors and was never claimed to be more then a 32 bit machine.

To settle the argument; technically the Jaguar was a 64-bit system. The blitter was 64 bit, and Atari said that's all that it needed to qualify as a '64 bit processor'.

To give you an example, that's like a 32 bit windows based program being compatible with a 64 bit version of windows. All it really does it dial the 64 down to 32... That's it.

Part of the real problem was the problematic codemaking FOR the Jag by game developers. Instructions to adapt to this beast were essentially incomplete, and a lot had to be thought up on the spot by the programmer. Frankly, the Jag never had a game that represented the full potential of what it could do. And by looking at the array of games it had, you couldn't pick out one that was supremely better than everything else out on the market.

I'd probably tell them to buy me an SNES cartridge, preferably FFIII/VI. :)

To settle the argument; technically the Jaguar was a 64-bit system. The blitter was 64 bit, and Atari said that's all that it needed to qualify as a '64 bit processor'.

To give you an example, that's like a 32 bit windows based program being compatible with a 64 bit version of windows. All it really does it dial the 64 down to 32... That's it.

TerragonSix

It doesn't really matter if it had some 64-bit functions. The N64 CPU also wasn't fully 64-bit if we're going into details. The thing is that they advertised it as a 64-bit console, which translated into "not twice as better as 16-bit consoles, but twice as better as 32-bit consoles!" in the minds of the general public. But that was far from truth. The truth was, that Jaguar was quite stronger than SNES and Genesis, yes, but couldn't really compete with the Saturn and PS1, let alone the N64 (which was the first "real" 64-bit console).

And I'm pretty sure Alien vs Predator was using the Jaguar's power nicely. It's not like it could match the Saturn and the PS1 in 3D graphics.

a good example of what each system did at the time in terms of 3D , would be to look at fight for life on the Jaguar , a 3D fighter which was probably one of the last games released for the system.

Tekken 1 on the PS1 which was the only Tekken at the time (Tekken 2 was a few months away)

and Virtua Fighter 2 on the Saturn , which was also released around that time.

That fighter was never released if I'm not mistaken. Eitherway, Tekken 3 on the PS1 would destroy any attempt of Jaguar to try and compete with the PS1.

That fighter was never released if I'm not mistaken. Eitherway, Tekken 3 on the PS1 would destroy any attempt of Jaguar to try and compete with the PS1.

nameless12345

3DO and glad to see it getting a lot of love here!

But wasn't the 3DO of a SNES/Genisis gen rather than the N64/PS?

I remember my dad owning a 3DO years before the N64 came out.

3DO and glad to see it getting a lot of love here!

But wasn't the 3DO of a SNES/Genisis gen rather than the N64/PS?

I remember my dad owning a 3DO years before the N64 came out.

kenakuma

Man I had a Laserdisc player and it was awesome. And a mini-disc player, that too was awesome. CD quality mixes before CD writers were prevalent. those were the days... Back on topic - I'd have to go for the 3DO. Simply as I plan on buying one in the near future. Great catalogue of games.

Also it had Night Trap.

Road Rash, Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo, and Need For Speed? 3do.

They'd have to be stupidly rich parents.

I guess Id go with the 3DO. Ive heard it has decent games.

Ive heard nothing but bad things about the Jag. Even that it just simply does not want to work sometimes/or that alot them were faulty.

I'd say 3DO...at least you could get the hilarity that is Night Trap.

I think The Need For Speed on the 3DO was pushing the system to it's limits because nothing else on the 3DO looksed comparable and neither did Jaguar games. EA really pushed the 3DO and delivered "true" 32-bit 3D graphics months before Saturn and PS1 came out. The arcade prefect Super Street Fighter II Turbo on the 3DO was a big deal back then too. 3DO wasn't a bad console, it was just too expensive. Infact it sold pretty good considering the costs. There were plans for a successor titled M2, which was supposed to give the N64 and PS1 a run for their money.

The jaguar, however, was a commercial failure, but Atari supported the console as good as they could. There were new Jaguar games made as late as 2000 and they even wanted to make a successor.

Here's a top 40 3DO games list: http://www.retro-sanctuary.com/TOP%2040%203do%20GAMES.html

I'd like to try a lot of them. I've only played some games on the 3DO (Star Control 2, Need for Speed, Return Fire and about 5 little cheap games I can't remember the name of).

I think The Need For Speed on the 3DO was pushing the system to it's limits because nothing else on the 3DO looksed comparable and neither did Jaguar games. EA really pushed the 3DO and delivered "true" 32-bit 3D graphics months before Saturn and PS1 came out. The arcade prefect Super Street Fighter II Turbo on the 3DO was a big deal back then too. 3DO wasn't a bad console, it was just too expensive. Infact it sold pretty good considering the costs. There were plans for a successor titled M2, which was supposed to give the N64 and PS1 a run for their money.

The jaguar, however, was a commercial failure, but Atari supported the console as good as they could. There were new Jaguar games made as late as 2000 and they even wanted to make a successor.

nameless12345

The M2 would have been somewhere between the N64 and Dreamcast

And the 3DO was actually at a decent price by 1995, its just that the newer systems had better graphics, and a better brand name/marketing, which helped them.

Im sure it also didn't help that many of the 3DO's best games ended up on the PS1/Saturn (though Im not sure if that was before or after the console was discontinued)

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

I think The Need For Speed on the 3DO was pushing the system to it's limits because nothing else on the 3DO looksed comparable and neither did Jaguar games. EA really pushed the 3DO and delivered "true" 32-bit 3D graphics months before Saturn and PS1 came out. The arcade prefect Super Street Fighter II Turbo on the 3DO was a big deal back then too. 3DO wasn't a bad console, it was just too expensive. Infact it sold pretty good considering the costs. There were plans for a successor titled M2, which was supposed to give the N64 and PS1 a run for their money.

The jaguar, however, was a commercial failure, but Atari supported the console as good as they could. There were new Jaguar games made as late as 2000 and they even wanted to make a successor.

Darkman2007

The M2 would have been somewhere between the N64 and Dreamcast

And the 3DO was actually at a decent price by 1995, its just that the newer systems had better graphics, and a better brand name/marketing, which helped them.

Im sure it also didn't help that many of the 3DO's best games ended up on the PS1/Saturn (though Im not sure if that was before or after the console was discontinued)

The ports of the 3DO games from what I been looking at was mostly afterwards because the Saturn and PSX came out at the end of the 3DOs life cycle. The Saturn about a year before the 3DO and the PSX about 10-9 months afterwards, so yeah I would say it was after it was discontinued for the most part.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

I think The Need For Speed on the 3DO was pushing the system to it's limits because nothing else on the 3DO looksed comparable and neither did Jaguar games. EA really pushed the 3DO and delivered "true" 32-bit 3D graphics months before Saturn and PS1 came out. The arcade prefect Super Street Fighter II Turbo on the 3DO was a big deal back then too. 3DO wasn't a bad console, it was just too expensive. Infact it sold pretty good considering the costs. There were plans for a successor titled M2, which was supposed to give the N64 and PS1 a run for their money.

The jaguar, however, was a commercial failure, but Atari supported the console as good as they could. There were new Jaguar games made as late as 2000 and they even wanted to make a successor.

TheTrueMagusX1

The M2 would have been somewhere between the N64 and Dreamcast

And the 3DO was actually at a decent price by 1995, its just that the newer systems had better graphics, and a better brand name/marketing, which helped them.

Im sure it also didn't help that many of the 3DO's best games ended up on the PS1/Saturn (though Im not sure if that was before or after the console was discontinued)

The ports of the 3DO games from what I been looking at was mostly afterwards because the Saturn and PSX came out at the end of the 3DOs life cycle. The Saturn about a year before the 3DO and the PSX about 10-9 months afterwards, so yeah I would say it was after it was discontinued for the most part.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

The M2 would have been somewhere between the N64 and Dreamcast

And the 3DO was actually at a decent price by 1995, its just that the newer systems had better graphics, and a better brand name/marketing, which helped them.

Im sure it also didn't help that many of the 3DO's best games ended up on the PS1/Saturn (though Im not sure if that was before or after the console was discontinued)

Darkman2007

The ports of the 3DO games from what I been looking at was mostly afterwards because the Saturn and PSX came out at the end of the 3DOs life cycle. The Saturn about a year before the 3DO and the PSX about 10-9 months afterwards, so yeah I would say it was after it was discontinued for the most part.

I was thinking in terms of US release, not Japanese Release. While the 3DO fared some what decently there, it did not do to hot here to say the least. The thing to consider about the 3DO games, were the ones that did get ported most of them were western developed games...and games like The Horde which got a Saturn Port, and Shockwave which got a PSX port were again from Western Developers. I was speaking about US release which was a whole other beast, not Japanese Release.....The Saturn was surprisingly released in May 1995 at literally the last minute, and the Playstation stuck to its September 1995 release. The 3DO here was discontinued sometime in the Spring of 1995 hence my calculations and why they are correct here in the states. I forget your in europe and that you have different release dates for these type of things...so that was my error, but I was speaking in US releases.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

The ports of the 3DO games from what I been looking at was mostly afterwards because the Saturn and PSX came out at the end of the 3DOs life cycle. The Saturn about a year before the 3DO and the PSX about 10-9 months afterwards, so yeah I would say it was after it was discontinued for the most part.

TheTrueMagusX1

I was thinking in terms of US release, not Japanese Release. While the 3DO fared some what decently there, it did not do to hot here to say the least. The thing to consider about the 3DO games, were the ones that did get ported most of them were western developed games...and games like The Horde which got a Saturn Port, and Shockwave which got a PSX port were again from Western Developers. I was speaking about US release which was a whole other beast, not Japanese Release.....The Saturn was surprisingly released in May 1995 at literally the last minute, and the Playstation stuck to its September 1995 release. The 3DO here was discontinued sometime in the Spring of 1995 hence my calculations and why they are correct here in the states. I forget your in europe and that you have different release dates for these type of things...so that was my error, but I was speaking in US releases.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Saturn and PS1 came out at almost the same time ,in Japan there was a difference of about a week , in late 1994 , when the 3DO was still a decent contender.Darkman2007

I was thinking in terms of US release, not Japanese Release. While the 3DO fared some what decently there, it did not do to hot here to say the least. The thing to consider about the 3DO games, were the ones that did get ported most of them were western developed games...and games like The Horde which got a Saturn Port, and Shockwave which got a PSX port were again from Western Developers. I was speaking about US release which was a whole other beast, not Japanese Release.....The Saturn was surprisingly released in May 1995 at literally the last minute, and the Playstation stuck to its September 1995 release. The 3DO here was discontinued sometime in the Spring of 1995 hence my calculations and why they are correct here in the states. I forget your in europe and that you have different release dates for these type of things...so that was my error, but I was speaking in US releases.

That was a mistype on my part. I meant to say Spring of 1996, not 1995. So yeah...that was a typo on my part

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

I was thinking in terms of US release, not Japanese Release. While the 3DO fared some what decently there, it did not do to hot here to say the least. The thing to consider about the 3DO games, were the ones that did get ported most of them were western developed games...and games like The Horde which got a Saturn Port, and Shockwave which got a PSX port were again from Western Developers. I was speaking about US release which was a whole other beast, not Japanese Release.....The Saturn was surprisingly released in May 1995 at literally the last minute, and the Playstation stuck to its September 1995 release. The 3DO here was discontinued sometime in the Spring of 1995 hence my calculations and why they are correct here in the states. I forget your in europe and that you have different release dates for these type of things...so that was my error, but I was speaking in US releases.

TheTrueMagusX1

That was a mistype on my part. I meant to say Spring of 1996, not 1995. So yeah...that was a typo on my part

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] in Europe the launch of the Saturn/PS1 wasn't all that different , the Saturn launched in July 1995 here ,with the PS1 launching in late September, so more or less the same. I didn't know the 3DO was discontinued so early, are you sure? Im sure there were games after 1995, even if only a few.Darkman2007

That was a mistype on my part. I meant to say Spring of 1996, not 1995. So yeah...that was a typo on my part

True, I believe that was the case with the final Saturn games such as Panzer Dragoon Saga and the Scenario 1 only version of Shining Force 3 we got here. Though none the less, no there just was not much coming out at that time any how for the 3DO. The only big thing that I know of as far as the 3DO had coming out before it was discontinued was its won version of Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3(That was scrapped I believed). But when it was discontinued there was practically nothign coming out for it anyhow.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

That was a mistype on my part. I meant to say Spring of 1996, not 1995. So yeah...that was a typo on my part

TheTrueMagusX1

True, I believe that was the case with the final Saturn games such as Panzer Dragoon Saga and the Scenario 1 only version of Shining Force 3 we got here. Though none the less, no there just was not much coming out at that time any how for the 3DO. The only big thing that I know of as far as the 3DO had coming out before it was discontinued was its won version of Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3(That was scrapped I believed). But when it was discontinued there was practically nothign coming out for it anyhow.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] oh ok , no probs. of course just because a console is discontinued , doesn't meant there are no new games for it, some usually do get released in limited numbers.Darkman2007

True, I believe that was the case with the final Saturn games such as Panzer Dragoon Saga and the Scenario 1 only version of Shining Force 3 we got here. Though none the less, no there just was not much coming out at that time any how for the 3DO. The only big thing that I know of as far as the 3DO had coming out before it was discontinued was its won version of Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3(That was scrapped I believed). But when it was discontinued there was practically nothign coming out for it anyhow.

Yeah it was relased in late 1995. Trying to track down some early1996 3DO games....

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

True, I believe that was the case with the final Saturn games such as Panzer Dragoon Saga and the Scenario 1 only version of Shining Force 3 we got here. Though none the less, no there just was not much coming out at that time any how for the 3DO. The only big thing that I know of as far as the 3DO had coming out before it was discontinued was its won version of Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3(That was scrapped I believed). But when it was discontinued there was practically nothign coming out for it anyhow.

TheTrueMagusX1

Yeah it was relased in late 1995. Trying to track down some early1996 3DO games....

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] The last Saturn game ever released was in 2000 , but only in Japan . I think D for the 3DO was a very late game.Darkman2007

Yeah it was relased in late 1995. Trying to track down some early1996 3DO games....

That is true, well consider that part of it was the high price of the 3DO as well. Most people stuck with the SNES and Genesis/Megadrive rather than shell out what was it, 700 dollars for a 3DO. I believe the Saturn went for what...399 at the most maybe 299 which is far less than the 3DO.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Yeah it was relased in late 1995. Trying to track down some early1996 3DO games....

TheTrueMagusX1

That is true, well consider that part of it was the high price of the 3DO as well. Most people stuck with the SNES and Genesis/Megadrive rather than shell out what was it, 700 dollars for a 3DO. I believe the Saturn went for what...399 at the most maybe 299 which is far less than the 3DO.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I think the difference between those post discontinuation games on the Saturn and those on the 3DO was that, despite the fact that the Saturn was not really a success, it was still alot more successful then the 3DO (Saturn sold over 9 million units, compared to 2million 3DOs) , so the market is bigger.Darkman2007

That is true, well consider that part of it was the high price of the 3DO as well. Most people stuck with the SNES and Genesis/Megadrive rather than shell out what was it, 700 dollars for a 3DO. I believe the Saturn went for what...399 at the most maybe 299 which is far less than the 3DO.

Yep, I can see the apeal of a game say like Clockwork Knight would have over a 3DO game. Ahh Clockwork Knight, that was just a plain out fun little platformer that everyone seemed to have forgotten. Now what we do need is a Saturn Compilation, with ClockWork Knight 1 and 2....

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

That is true, well consider that part of it was the high price of the 3DO as well. Most people stuck with the SNES and Genesis/Megadrive rather than shell out what was it, 700 dollars for a 3DO. I believe the Saturn went for what...399 at the most maybe 299 which is far less than the 3DO.

TheTrueMagusX1

Yep, I can see the apeal of a game say like Clockwork Knight would have over a 3DO game. Ahh Clockwork Knight, that was just a plain out fun little platformer that everyone seemed to have forgotten. Now what we do need is a Saturn Compilation, with ClockWork Knight 1 and 2....

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] well actually the price of the 3DO did go down by the time the Saturn came out, but the thing is , that the games didn't really look as good, and the Saturn was a Sega system, so it was almost guaranteed to have excellent first party games if nothing else (and indeed, the first party games on the Saturn are some of the best Sega ever made)Darkman2007

Yep, I can see the apeal of a game say like Clockwork Knight would have over a 3DO game. Ahh Clockwork Knight, that was just a plain out fun little platformer that everyone seemed to have forgotten. Now what we do need is a Saturn Compilation, with ClockWork Knight 1 and 2....

No I actually like Clockwork Knights, Its not the best game, but its surely fun. It is not anything special, but it is fun. Clockwork Knight I used as an example as it looked better than alot of 3Do games. Though Virtua Fighter on the other hand like you said truly displayed the power of the Saturn. I would also say games like Fighting Vipers, and Fighters Megamix also showcased the Saturns capabilities as well.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Yep, I can see the apeal of a game say like Clockwork Knight would have over a 3DO game. Ahh Clockwork Knight, that was just a plain out fun little platformer that everyone seemed to have forgotten. Now what we do need is a Saturn Compilation, with ClockWork Knight 1 and 2....

TheTrueMagusX1

No I actually like Clockwork Knights, Its not the best game, but its surely fun. It is not anything special, but it is fun. Clockwork Knight I used as an example as it looked better than alot of 3Do games. Though Virtua Fighter on the other hand like you said truly displayed the power of the Saturn. I would also say games like Fighting Vipers, and Fighters Megamix also showcased the Saturns capabilities as well.

DOA Saturn on the left PS1 DOA on the right

Saturn DOA on the left PS1 DOA on the right

the PS1 version is smoother ,but I think the characters are less blocky on the Saturn ,and the textures are more detalied (their skin actually looks more like skin)

DOA Saturn on the left PS1 DOA on the right

Saturn DOA on the left PS1 DOA on the right

the PS1 version is smoother ,but I think the characters are less blocky on the Saturn ,and the textures are more detalied (their skin actually looks more like skin)

Darkman2007

I think you showed me these on another thread. The backgrounds look more detailed on the Saturn, but I will disagree about the Character modles, on the PSX they look better, more smooth and clean. THey look to me anyway a bit more block on the Saturn. Thats just me I guess

well , to each his own I guess, I actually read an interview with the creator of the DOA series, and he said Kasumi on the Saturn used more polygons then the one on the PS1 version, so he seems to agree with me at least.

that said, its a matter of taste, there are just as much people who prefer the Saturn version , as there are those who prefer the PS1 version (I own both versions, and prefer the Saturn one)

Also Panzer Dragoon Saga and Burning Rangers are probably the best looking 3D games on the Saturn overall, imo.

well , to each his own I guess, I actually read an interview with the creator of the DOA series, and he said Kasumi on the Saturn used more polygons then the one on the PS1 version, so he seems to agree with me at least.

that said, its a matter of taste, there are just as much people who prefer the Saturn version , as there are those who prefer the PS1 version (I own both versions, and prefer the Saturn one)

Also Panzer Dragoon Saga and Burning Rangers are probably the best looking 3D games on the Saturn overall, imo.

Darkman2007

I have had the pleasure of playing Panzer Dragoon Saga, and Burning Rangers, and I will agree with you ohn that. They do look very very good. Too bad Burning Rangers is seemingly forgotten by most, now that was a wonderful litttle game!

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

well , to each his own I guess, I actually read an interview with the creator of the DOA series, and he said Kasumi on the Saturn used more polygons then the one on the PS1 version, so he seems to agree with me at least.

that said, its a matter of taste, there are just as much people who prefer the Saturn version , as there are those who prefer the PS1 version (I own both versions, and prefer the Saturn one)

Also Panzer Dragoon Saga and Burning Rangers are probably the best looking 3D games on the Saturn overall, imo.

TheTrueMagusX1

I have had the pleasure of playing Panzer Dragoon Saga, and Burning Rangers, and I will agree with you ohn that. They do look very very good. Too bad Burning Rangers is seemingly forgotten by most, now that was a wonderful litttle game!

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

well , to each his own I guess, I actually read an interview with the creator of the DOA series, and he said Kasumi on the Saturn used more polygons then the one on the PS1 version, so he seems to agree with me at least.

that said, its a matter of taste, there are just as much people who prefer the Saturn version , as there are those who prefer the PS1 version (I own both versions, and prefer the Saturn one)

Also Panzer Dragoon Saga and Burning Rangers are probably the best looking 3D games on the Saturn overall, imo.

Darkman2007

I have had the pleasure of playing Panzer Dragoon Saga, and Burning Rangers, and I will agree with you ohn that. They do look very very good. Too bad Burning Rangers is seemingly forgotten by most, now that was a wonderful litttle game!

Yep Panzer dragoon Saga had an excellent story and your right about the 3D aspect of it. Again I think we need to see rereleases of some of these games, such as Saga and Burning Rangers need rereleases. Its kind of sad since Sega seems to fondly remember the Genesis and even the Dreamcast era but seems to have forgotten the Saturn era....

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

I have had the pleasure of playing Panzer Dragoon Saga, and Burning Rangers, and I will agree with you ohn that. They do look very very good. Too bad Burning Rangers is seemingly forgotten by most, now that was a wonderful litttle game!

TheTrueMagusX1

Yep Panzer dragoon Saga had an excellent story and your right about the 3D aspect of it. Again I think we need to see rereleases of some of these games, such as Saga and Burning Rangers need rereleases. Its kind of sad since Sega seems to fondly remember the Genesis and even the Dreamcast era but seems to have forgotten the Saturn era....