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#1 trust_nobody
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Do you use them?

Personally, I think when used they take away from 90% of the value of the game. It's like riding a grown-up bike with training wheels.

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I broke down once and used a game guide for one area of one of the silent hill games, but that was it. I even kind of regretted it afterwards.
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#2 TriangleHard
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Personally I think strategy guides sucks.

They aren't even that detailed and most of the times, I find Gamefaqs.com much more informative.

Not to mention they are way too overpriced.

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#3 BuryMe
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The only ones i bought were for FFVII and XII. Other than that, i just use game FAQS if i'm stuck

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#4 Tim_Millington
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I dont use them, whats the point in spending between £20 - £50 on a game and then spending even more money on a guide to get you through the game! I think they are pointless and ruin the game! But that is my opinion.
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#5 Pythos77
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I try not to use Game faqs unless im like hopelessly stuck somewhere. and usualy I just read the part having to do with my particular problem, other times the game is boring and im not realy into investing alot of time into it so id pass a tedious part with the help of the FAQ...

As far as actualy buying a book about a game ...Id have to be really into the game. otherwise it just seems like a waste of money

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#6 The_Zoid
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I don't usually get them, if I need something I'll just use an internet FAQ since they're easier to get and usually contain more content.
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#7 proud722
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I do get them rarely. Maybe if I really liked a game I may get it as sort of a collectable(this would be done after completition of the game though). If I am truly stuck to the point where the game has been gathering dusts for days-weeks-months and that has happened a couple of times totake longer than ayear (If the game did'nt interest me that much in the first place that can happen) I would just look at a faq for that particular bit or ask someone and then my last resort would be a forum. But one game where I would often get a stratergy guide is pokemon. What for, well I believe that being able to know what moves my pokemon are gonna learn what they can learn etc (oh and I dont use it for puzzles and stuff just to see what pokemon are in my area so I dont miss any and pokemon move sets) add a whole new level of stratergy to the game that just was'nt possible before. It becomes about picking the right moves for your pokemon rather than not knowing and getting rid of a move that would have been useful for its later moves or better than its later moves. I have done it without a statergy guide and though sometimes its more fun with out if you wanna make the perfect team it helps. Its really how you use the information that I find would determine your skill. I dont need the stratergy guide (because if you do need a stratergy guide for any game that clearly you suck at that game) but if it actualy adds to the game experience and takes away the luck involved in picking your pokemons moves why not?
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I use them in three situations:

1. I get hopelessly stuck. I do this a lot, because I tend to overthink puzzles and give developers too much credit. I latch on to the most complicated solution, or the most logical one, and constantly forget that logic plays no part in games. This leads to...

2. Adventure games have their own bizarrelogic and most of their puzzles involve searching for tiny hotspots and mixing items that have no business being mixed. I get stuck a lot in them, and to this day I'll never quite understand why people love the genre so much when all of the puzzles are just plain ridiculous.

3. Once I beat a game I'll go back and check a guide for my second playthrough, since often I'll have missed things the first time through, and I'm not really ruining anything.

I'll never fire up a new game and follow a guide step by step through the whole process, of course. But I don't hate people who do that - it's their money and time if they want to ruin the experience for themselves.

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#9 deactivated-5de2fb6a3a711
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Well, I'd use the internet rather than a strategy guide. I only use them when i'm really, really stuck. Then afterwards maybe check out how to get secrets, extras, and cheats. And when all else fails, go to the forums.
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#10 gameguy6700
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I only buy strategy guides in two situations: A map makes things much more bearable (Morrowind, LoZ: WW's triforce hunt, GTA's hidden packages) or if I just want to make sure I didn't miss anything. That said I use gamefaq's for just about all of those. The only guide I can say was totally worth the money I spent was the one for Morrowind. That guide made the game much more enjoyable since instead of having to spend hours hunting down a dungeon or location that an NPC gave vague (or in some cases completely wrong) directions to I can just flip open the guide and find it on the map.
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#11 bugsonglass
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I think they're very expensive so I never buy them, since for the asking price I can normally buy a game instead. I try to get the most I can out of a game on my own... if hopelessly stuck and in need of help... gamefaqs is my friend.
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#12 donwoogie
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I did use a guide once for Pro Evolution Soccer 6. Tbf, I did just thumb through it whilst at game, rather than buying it. And there are no online guides for it, and I don't watch football, and you can't really improve in the game with tactics and tricks unless you play against someone who is vastly superior and knows all the tricks.
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#13 Revelade
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They are useful. They help save you time. You don't have to flip between a computer and the tv as well.

Instead of doing some long dungeon that requires hitting 4 dead ends to finish, now it's done faster. Time is saved.

And some guides, well, you can't really have a guide for somethings. Street Fighter for instance. You could have something telling you to do a combo. But it really depends on your reactions and presses.

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#14 gameguy6700
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They are useful. They help save you time. You don't have to flip between a computer and the tv as well.

Instead of doing some long dungeon that requires hitting 4 dead ends to finish, now it's done faster. Time is saved.

And some guides, well, you can't really have a guide for somethings. Street Fighter for instance. You could have something telling you to do a combo. But it really depends on your reactions and presses.

Revelade

Yeah, I always laugh when I see MMO game guides on sale at stores. Aside from the fact that you'll learn all that stuff as you play through the game, the guides become useless after awhile thanks to patches. And the stuff that is actually useful to know (like the amount of aggro each attack in the game generates) can only be found on forums by fanatical players who went through the trouble of calculating all that stuff out.

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#15 donwoogie
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[QUOTE="Revelade"]

They are useful. They help save you time. You don't have to flip between a computer and the tv as well.

Instead of doing some long dungeon that requires hitting 4 dead ends to finish, now it's done faster. Time is saved.

And some guides, well, you can't really have a guide for somethings. Street Fighter for instance. You could have something telling you to do a combo. But it really depends on your reactions and presses.

gameguy6700

Yeah, I always laugh when I see MMO game guides on sale at stores. Aside from the fact that you'll learn all that stuff as you play through the game, the guides become useless after awhile thanks to patches. And the stuff that is actually useful to know (like the amount of aggro each attack in the game generates) can only be found on forums by fanatical players who went through the trouble of calculating all that stuff out.

I thumbed through the WoW guide on sale at game recently. LOL, it still mentions some of the old dungeons as being "top level dungeons" for the "hardcore and best gamers". You can't make a guide for a game that is constantly being updated! :P

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I buy strategy guides every now and then when I pick up an RPG. I think that they are good to use when you want to find all items and weapons and for some of the puzzles. That's just my opinion though....I guess I kinda stink at RPG's.
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#17 darkad1
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I never buy strategy guides.

I do, however, use gamefaqs, but I don't really like doing that either. Only if I've tried loads of time and am hopelessly stuck. In those situations gamefaqs really is needed.

I used to use cheats years ago after I finished games but for the past few years i've even stopped doing that. They just mess up the game.

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I only bought one for ff x-2 although I ended the game first then used it. If I use one of faqs on gs I really need to be stuck in a game to do that
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#19 bulby_g
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Never bought one and never will. I don't see the point really, must take all the fun away :?
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#20 FoodThing00
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I really don't care for them. I mean, what's the point in playing a game if you already know everything there is to know about it? Sigh. I quess it's only part of the new generation of gamers that hate challenges. >.>
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#21 Gen-Gawl
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The only ones i bought were for FFVII and XII. Other than that, i just use game FAQS if i'm stuck

BuryMe

Same here. I've only bought a couple and that was a LONG time ago. I prefer faqs/walkthroughs on the net. But I only use them if I'm stuck somewhere. Either that or if I'm a little fuzzy on the story. JRPGs can get pretty convoluted. All in all I think faqs/walkthroughs are a great resource to have available if you happen to need it.

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#22 Galzakian
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I've gota couple; the Halo 2 one I got for free at a midnight release, and the Morrowind one I boughta week before the game was released to do a little reading.I actually had stick-it notes on some pages of the book lol >.>

Anyway, normally I try and just do my own thing, unless I'm really battling at a particular stage of a game. Then it's off to GameFaqs to figure out how to solve a specific problem; once i've gotten past the previously unpassable, it's straight back into the unknown.

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I really don't care for them. I mean, what's the point in playing a game if you already know everything there is to know about it? Sigh. I quess it's only part of the new generation of gamers that hate challenges. >.>FoodThing00

Suppose you find a puzzle you are unable to solve. By not solving this puzzle you are missing out on a good chunk of a game which you probably could do. By not finding a way to pass this puzzle, you are wasting your money by only making use of a fraction of the game.

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[QUOTE="FoodThing00"]I really don't care for them. I mean, what's the point in playing a game if you already know everything there is to know about it? Sigh. I quess it's only part of the new generation of gamers that hate challenges. >.>donwoogie

Suppose you find a puzzle you are unable to solve. By not solving this puzzle you are missing out on a good chunk of a game which you probably could do. By not finding a way to pass this puzzle, you are wasting your money by only making use of a fraction of the game.



In that unlikely event, i would use gamefaqs. You see, with this wonderful invention called the internet, i can find info on things without..say... Paying for a overpriced ''guide'' that generally won't do much good. Besides, kinda stupid to buy a guide if you're only stuck on one thing. Try, and try again and you never have to waste any money on a guide.
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#25 mayormoose
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I look at the multi-player, as for story, I compare my strategies with the guides.
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#26 SoulSlayer_
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Well, I've never bought a strategy guide (it seems that for every game I would like to buy an official guide they suck), but I do use online walkthrough/FAQs if I'm stuck. Also use charts sometimes.
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#27 sabru8
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I have bought a couple over the years, but I have found that I don't really use them or need them really.
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#28 donwoogie
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[QUOTE="donwoogie"]

[QUOTE="FoodThing00"]I really don't care for them. I mean, what's the point in playing a game if you already know everything there is to know about it? Sigh. I quess it's only part of the new generation of gamers that hate challenges. >.>FoodThing00

Suppose you find a puzzle you are unable to solve. By not solving this puzzle you are missing out on a good chunk of a game which you probably could do. By not finding a way to pass this puzzle, you are wasting your money by only making use of a fraction of the game.



In that unlikely event, i would use gamefaqs. You see, with this wonderful invention called the internet, i can find info on things without..say... Paying for a overpriced ''guide'' that generally won't do much good. Besides, kinda stupid to buy a guide if you're only stuck on one thing. Try, and try again and you never have to waste any money on a guide.

First off, mr smartarse, not every game is on GameFAQs, there are some rather exotic ones which are not listed. Secondly, I never said BUY it, I said I'd use one, ie. walk into a store, find the puzzle I am stuck on, read it, then leave :P

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I really don't care for them. I mean, what's the point in playing a game if you already know everything there is to know about it? Sigh. I quess it's only part of the new generation of gamers that hate challenges. >.>FoodThing00

IMO there's more to games than just how challenging it is.

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I only bought game guides along time ago when I didn't know any better. But once I bought like 15 Ready 2 Rumble Boxing game guides at a yard sale for $0.50. I don't know why I did it, I guess it was the price.
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I do use online guides. although I never understood why some people use them throughout entire games. If I get stuck somewhere in a game, I'm not ashamed to use GameFAQs.
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I only buy guides for RPGs since I don't have the time to figure everything out myself, and even if I tried I'd probably miss half the stuff. Otherwise, I mainly play action games, and I never use guides for them.
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#33 The_PirateKing
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~-~I just use GameSpot. (which would technically be GameFAQs because GS just links me to there. Easier to find stuff on GS.) And that's only if things are getting frustrating. I don't care about ruining part of a game if it's a part that's just frustrating me.~-~
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[QUOTE="FoodThing00"][QUOTE="donwoogie"]

[QUOTE="FoodThing00"]I really don't care for them. I mean, what's the point in playing a game if you already know everything there is to know about it? Sigh. I quess it's only part of the new generation of gamers that hate challenges. >.>donwoogie

Suppose you find a puzzle you are unable to solve. By not solving this puzzle you are missing out on a good chunk of a game which you probably could do. By not finding a way to pass this puzzle, you are wasting your money by only making use of a fraction of the game.



In that unlikely event, i would use gamefaqs. You see, with this wonderful invention called the internet, i can find info on things without..say... Paying for a overpriced ''guide'' that generally won't do much good. Besides, kinda stupid to buy a guide if you're only stuck on one thing. Try, and try again and you never have to waste any money on a guide.

First off, mr smartarse, not every game is on GameFAQs, there are some rather exotic ones which are not listed. Secondly, I never said BUY it, I said I'd use one, ie. walk into a store, find the puzzle I am stuck on, read it, then leave :P



Smartarse? yay, i've never been called smart before *Dances some obscure irish jig*Oh, and these exotic games? Google is your friend.


IMO there's more to games than just how challenging it is.



You misunderstand me, i'm just saying that a game should both have a great storyline and be challenging. There's never a reson for a game not to be challenging.
(ok, i didn't ''say that'' in any way in the post. But i think so dammit! uhh..sorry for not being clearer before)

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I have some for some old games, but I haven't bought one in 10 years or so. There is just no reason with GameFAQs out there.
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Guides are pretty good if you need them, but I rarely do.

Plus the Internet is much more cost effective for them than high-street stores.

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#37 curua02
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Print strategy guides are completely unnecessary when you have the internet (especially GameFAQs) at hand. If I need a hint to get through a puzzle, or if I feel like collecting all 100 secret doodads in a game, I just open my browser.

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[QUOTE="donwoogie"][QUOTE="FoodThing00"][QUOTE="donwoogie"]

[QUOTE="FoodThing00"]I really don't care for them. I mean, what's the point in playing a game if you already know everything there is to know about it? Sigh. I quess it's only part of the new generation of gamers that hate challenges. >.>FoodThing00

Suppose you find a puzzle you are unable to solve. By not solving this puzzle you are missing out on a good chunk of a game which you probably could do. By not finding a way to pass this puzzle, you are wasting your money by only making use of a fraction of the game.



In that unlikely event, i would use gamefaqs. You see, with this wonderful invention called the internet, i can find info on things without..say... Paying for a overpriced ''guide'' that generally won't do much good. Besides, kinda stupid to buy a guide if you're only stuck on one thing. Try, and try again and you never have to waste any money on a guide.

First off, mr smartarse, not every game is on GameFAQs, there are some rather exotic ones which are not listed. Secondly, I never said BUY it, I said I'd use one, ie. walk into a store, find the puzzle I am stuck on, read it, then leave :P



Smartarse? yay, i've never been called smart before *Dances some obscure irish jig*Oh, and these exotic games? Google is your friend.


IMO there's more to games than just how challenging it is.



You misunderstand me, i'm just saying that a game should both have a great storyline and be challenging. There's never a reson for a game not to be challenging.
(ok, i didn't ''say that'' in any way in the post. But i think so dammit! uhh..sorry for not being clearer before)

Searched through 10 pages of google with no luck on finding a Pro Evol 6 FAQ, if you find one, let me know :P

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I've never purchased a game guide and I never will. I'm amazed that epople still do, especially since GameFaqs and other such sites offer multiple walkthroughs and guide for free.

The First time I used a walkthough for assistance, my wife though I was cheating... until she used one herself. I try my best not to use them, but in RPG's sometimes I just get stuck and need a little help. I don't follow them word for word, beginning to end. Why play a game if you are going to do that?

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[QUOTE="FoodThing00"][QUOTE="donwoogie"][QUOTE="FoodThing00"][QUOTE="donwoogie"]

[QUOTE="FoodThing00"]I really don't care for them. I mean, what's the point in playing a game if you already know everything there is to know about it? Sigh. I quess it's only part of the new generation of gamers that hate challenges. >.>donwoogie

Suppose you find a puzzle you are unable to solve. By not solving this puzzle you are missing out on a good chunk of a game which you probably could do. By not finding a way to pass this puzzle, you are wasting your money by only making use of a fraction of the game.



In that unlikely event, i would use gamefaqs. You see, with this wonderful invention called the internet, i can find info on things without..say... Paying for a overpriced ''guide'' that generally won't do much good. Besides, kinda stupid to buy a guide if you're only stuck on one thing. Try, and try again and you never have to waste any money on a guide.

First off, mr smartarse, not every game is on GameFAQs, there are some rather exotic ones which are not listed. Secondly, I never said BUY it, I said I'd use one, ie. walk into a store, find the puzzle I am stuck on, read it, then leave :P



Smartarse? yay, i've never been called smart before *Dances some obscure irish jig*Oh, and these exotic games? Google is your friend.


IMO there's more to games than just how challenging it is.



You misunderstand me, i'm just saying that a game should both have a great storyline and be challenging. There's never a reson for a game not to be challenging.
(ok, i didn't ''say that'' in any way in the post. But i think so dammit! uhh..sorry for not being clearer before)

Searched through 10 pages of google with no luck on finding a Pro Evol 6 FAQ, if you find one, let me know :P

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/data/932319.html

you just had to know that most countries know the game as winning eleven. and it's really not obscure, it sells millions

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Only if im desperate or if its for elder scrolls or GTA game
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#42 Tim_Millington
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But doesnt anyone use Gamespot if they get stuck?? I do. And it is cheaper than buying a strategy guide!
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#43 Gen-Gawl
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[QUOTE="donwoogie"][QUOTE="FoodThing00"][QUOTE="donwoogie"]

[QUOTE="FoodThing00"]I really don't care for them. I mean, what's the point in playing a game if you already know everything there is to know about it? Sigh. I quess it's only part of the new generation of gamers that hate challenges. >.>FoodThing00

Suppose you find a puzzle you are unable to solve. By not solving this puzzle you are missing out on a good chunk of a game which you probably could do. By not finding a way to pass this puzzle, you are wasting your money by only making use of a fraction of the game.



In that unlikely event, i would use gamefaqs. You see, with this wonderful invention called the internet, i can find info on things without..say... Paying for a overpriced ''guide'' that generally won't do much good. Besides, kinda stupid to buy a guide if you're only stuck on one thing. Try, and try again and you never have to waste any money on a guide.

First off, mr smartarse, not every game is on GameFAQs, there are some rather exotic ones which are not listed. Secondly, I never said BUY it, I said I'd use one, ie. walk into a store, find the puzzle I am stuck on, read it, then leave :P



Smartarse? yay, i've never been called smart before *Dances some obscure irish jig*Oh, and these exotic games? Google is your friend.


IMO there's more to games than just how challenging it is.



You misunderstand me, i'm just saying that a game should both have a great storyline and be challenging. There's never a reson for a game not to be challenging.
(ok, i didn't ''say that'' in any way in the post. But i think so dammit! uhh..sorry for not being clearer before)

LOL. don't worry about it.

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#44 Green_Iugana
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I don't use them but if I am stuck on a part in a game I will go to GameFAQs
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#45 CodeMunki
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I like them for long RPGs because its nice to have lots of info readily available without having to run to my computer. The FFXII game guide is particularly nice. It has a shiny license board map and all of the weapons, armor, trinkets, etc. listed so I can play ahead with character development. It's also good to see what level the monsters I'll be facing are so I can make sure to grind enough before hand to handle them. For pretty much every other kind of game, I just use a FAQ if I get stuck.
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#46 FusionApex
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I have one for FFVIII, useless for boss battles, only good for telling me where to go, as I have a bad sense of direction in video games.
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#47 wmg1299
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I use online guides all the time. I enjoy a challenge, but I hate getting stuck on any one part of a game. I will rarely ever buy a paper stargy guide. The only reason I have ever bought a guide is if the game has a lot of secrets or hidden items.
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#48 donwoogie
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[QUOTE="donwoogie"][QUOTE="FoodThing00"][QUOTE="donwoogie"][QUOTE="FoodThing00"][QUOTE="donwoogie"]

[QUOTE="FoodThing00"]I really don't care for them. I mean, what's the point in playing a game if you already know everything there is to know about it? Sigh. I quess it's only part of the new generation of gamers that hate challenges. >.>bugsonglass

Suppose you find a puzzle you are unable to solve. By not solving this puzzle you are missing out on a good chunk of a game which you probably could do. By not finding a way to pass this puzzle, you are wasting your money by only making use of a fraction of the game.



In that unlikely event, i would use gamefaqs. You see, with this wonderful invention called the internet, i can find info on things without..say... Paying for a overpriced ''guide'' that generally won't do much good. Besides, kinda stupid to buy a guide if you're only stuck on one thing. Try, and try again and you never have to waste any money on a guide.

First off, mr smartarse, not every game is on GameFAQs, there are some rather exotic ones which are not listed. Secondly, I never said BUY it, I said I'd use one, ie. walk into a store, find the puzzle I am stuck on, read it, then leave :P



Smartarse? yay, i've never been called smart before *Dances some obscure irish jig*Oh, and these exotic games? Google is your friend.


IMO there's more to games than just how challenging it is.



You misunderstand me, i'm just saying that a game should both have a great storyline and be challenging. There's never a reson for a game not to be challenging.
(ok, i didn't ''say that'' in any way in the post. But i think so dammit! uhh..sorry for not being clearer before)

Searched through 10 pages of google with no luck on finding a Pro Evol 6 FAQ, if you find one, let me know :P

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/data/932319.html

you just had to know that most countries know the game as winning eleven. and it's really not obscure, it sells millions

Checked that page already, and if you look at the available FAQs, they aren't really that helpful and don't really help you improve you game whereas the guide did.............