Falcon would be so pissed at Team Ninja if he heard this...

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#1 fuzzysquash
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1UP: Let's say you're sitting down with a gamer who has a choice -- he can play this fresh version of Ninja Gaiden or he can sit down with Devil May Cry 4, an all-new game. What would you tell that gamer to get him to play NGS instead of DMC4?

Yosuke Hayashi: You know my personal opinion in that situation would be I would say that I think the DMC games aren't really about combat per se; it's more like you have enemies but they are only there for the purpose of making you looking good. They're really just placed in the environment and then you're tasked with how you can defeat them as stylishly as possible while racking up as big a combo as possible. It's a very one-way street. Whereas for us, Ninja Gaiden is a combat game and an action game. You're here to fight and you want to have real opponents to fight and that's our philosophy. The enemy should fight back and should be trying to kill you just as hard as you're trying to kill them. That would be my main point of argument in saying, "Look, our philosophy is that we think you should have a challenge and be able to enjoy what we feel is real combat instead of having ornaments and see how high of a hit combo you can get against them."

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=0&cId=3154673

Falcon would be so ticked at Hayashi :lol:

too bad he isn't here to read this :? :cry:

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#2 yoshi_64
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Did the man ever play DMC 3? :| I remeber I could be pummeling one guy, and then if I wasn't watching my back, some enemy would hit me hard, freeing his ally from my assault. Though I think both are great... in their own unique style too.

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#3 jechtshot78
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Wow, This guy never played DMC.
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#4 Meedou
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What a NOOB. He should play the series hes talking about.
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#5 CJL13
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When you get in a combo the enemies don't just stand still and watch.
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W:|W
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#7 arber91
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He's soooooo right :roll: I've actually yet to beat DMC3. I got stuck at one part, beat that part, and then just havn't played recently. Mostly because I have quite a few other games to beat. When's there a vacation when you need one?
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#8 WeeWeeJumbo
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Huh?  I have both games, I loved DMC 3 to death and beat it several times, and he's absolutely right; DMC is all about dispatching hordes of punching-bags, and looking good while you do it.  That's not to say it's worse for this reason than NG/NGB/NGS; but it's certainly an accurate description of the nature of the game's challenge.  I don't understand how anyone who has played both games extensively could disagree with what this Team Ninja guy is saying, because he's 100% right.
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Bump for Falcon :D.
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A one-way street...bullcrap.  If I recall correctly, I get nailed if I just concentrate on one enemy.  And I'm pretty sure the Enigmas don't stand still for you to attack.  As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure it runs and shoots bursts of arrows as it runs, ranking itself as one of the most aggravating enemies there.  I'm pretty sure, but uh...seeing as I know what the hell I'm talking about, you should trust me on this...I THINK...I THINK...that MAYBE, when you attack the King Piece in the Demonic Chess board area, he doesn't stand there, and Castles with the Rook...but thats just me. :|

Hmm...I guess the Arachnes, Hell Vanguards and others countering and interrupting a combo of mine was just a dream. :| 

ZOMG, I GOT PARRIED...WHY!?!?!?! :cry:

...there, I'm done. :P
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A one-way street...bullcrap.  If I recall correctly, I get nailed if I just concentrate on one enemy.  And I'm pretty sure the Enigmas don't stand still for you to attack.  As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure it runs and shoots bursts of arrows as it runs, ranking itself as one of the most aggravating enemies there.  I'm pretty sure, but uh...seeing as I know what the hell I'm talking about, you should trust me on this...I THINK...I THINK...that MAYBE, when you attack the King Piece in the Demonic Chess board area, he doesn't stand there, and Castles with the Rook...but thats just me. :|

Hmm...I guess the Arachnes, Hell Vanguards and others countering and interrupting a combo of mine was just a dream. :| 

ZOMG, I GOT PARRIED...WHY!?!?!?! :cry:

...there, I'm done. :P
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ZOMG!!! :o Falcon is back!!!!

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[QUOTE="FalconZero"]A one-way street...bullcrap. If I recall correctly, I get nailed if I just concentrate on one enemy. And I'm pretty sure the Enigmas don't stand still for you to attack. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure it runs and shoots bursts of arrows as it runs, ranking itself as one of the most aggravating enemies there. I'm pretty sure, but uh...seeing as I know what the hell I'm talking about, you should trust me on this...I THINK...I THINK...that MAYBE, when you attack the King Piece in the Demonic Chess board area, he doesn't stand there, and Castles with the Rook...but thats just me. :|

Hmm...I guess the Arachnes, Hell Vanguards and others countering and interrupting a combo of mine was just a dream. :|

ZOMG, I GOT PARRIED...WHY!?!?!?! :cry:

...there, I'm done. :P
The_Game21x

ZOMG!!! :o Falcon is back!!!!

8) Yeah, I'm back. :P Anyways, whered the GUFU movie thread go? :|
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="FalconZero"]A one-way street...bullcrap. If I recall correctly, I get nailed if I just concentrate on one enemy. And I'm pretty sure the Enigmas don't stand still for you to attack. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure it runs and shoots bursts of arrows as it runs, ranking itself as one of the most aggravating enemies there. I'm pretty sure, but uh...seeing as I know what the hell I'm talking about, you should trust me on this...I THINK...I THINK...that MAYBE, when you attack the King Piece in the Demonic Chess board area, he doesn't stand there, and Castles with the Rook...but thats just me. :|

Hmm...I guess the Arachnes, Hell Vanguards and others countering and interrupting a combo of mine was just a dream. :|

ZOMG, I GOT PARRIED...WHY!?!?!?! :cry:

...there, I'm done. :P
FalconZero

ZOMG!!! :o Falcon is back!!!!

8) Yeah, I'm back. :P Anyways, whered the GUFU movie thread go? :|

Someone unstickied it (i think it was JJGY...) but I'm going to get it back up there when I make the next update. (Which will be soon by the way...)

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[QUOTE="FalconZero"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="FalconZero"]A one-way street...bullcrap. If I recall correctly, I get nailed if I just concentrate on one enemy. And I'm pretty sure the Enigmas don't stand still for you to attack. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure it runs and shoots bursts of arrows as it runs, ranking itself as one of the most aggravating enemies there. I'm pretty sure, but uh...seeing as I know what the hell I'm talking about, you should trust me on this...I THINK...I THINK...that MAYBE, when you attack the King Piece in the Demonic Chess board area, he doesn't stand there, and Castles with the Rook...but thats just me. :|

Hmm...I guess the Arachnes, Hell Vanguards and others countering and interrupting a combo of mine was just a dream. :|

ZOMG, I GOT PARRIED...WHY!?!?!?! :cry:

...there, I'm done. :P
The_Game21x

ZOMG!!! :o Falcon is back!!!!

8) Yeah, I'm back. :P Anyways, whered the GUFU movie thread go? :|

Someone unstickied it (i think it was JJGY...) but I'm going to get it back up there when I make the next update. (Which will be soon by the way...)

*Points gun at Game's head* That better be true.

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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="FalconZero"]A one-way street...bullcrap. If I recall correctly, I get nailed if I just concentrate on one enemy. And I'm pretty sure the Enigmas don't stand still for you to attack. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure it runs and shoots bursts of arrows as it runs, ranking itself as one of the most aggravating enemies there. I'm pretty sure, but uh...seeing as I know what the hell I'm talking about, you should trust me on this...I THINK...I THINK...that MAYBE, when you attack the King Piece in the Demonic Chess board area, he doesn't stand there, and Castles with the Rook...but thats just me. :|

Hmm...I guess the Arachnes, Hell Vanguards and others countering and interrupting a combo of mine was just a dream. :|

ZOMG, I GOT PARRIED...WHY!?!?!?! :cry:

...there, I'm done. :P
FalconZero

ZOMG!!! :o Falcon is back!!!!

8) Yeah, I'm back. :P Anyways, whered the GUFU movie thread go? :|

Welcome back :D
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="FalconZero"]A one-way street...bullcrap. If I recall correctly, I get nailed if I just concentrate on one enemy. And I'm pretty sure the Enigmas don't stand still for you to attack. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure it runs and shoots bursts of arrows as it runs, ranking itself as one of the most aggravating enemies there. I'm pretty sure, but uh...seeing as I know what the hell I'm talking about, you should trust me on this...I THINK...I THINK...that MAYBE, when you attack the King Piece in the Demonic Chess board area, he doesn't stand there, and Castles with the Rook...but thats just me. :|

Hmm...I guess the Arachnes, Hell Vanguards and others countering and interrupting a combo of mine was just a dream. :|

ZOMG, I GOT PARRIED...WHY!?!?!?! :cry:

...there, I'm done. :P
FalconZero

ZOMG!!! :o Falcon is back!!!!

8) Yeah, I'm back. :P Anyways, whered the GUFU movie thread go? :|

Welcome back.
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[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]1UP: Let's say you're sitting down with a gamer who has a choice -- he can play this fresh version of Ninja Gaiden or he can sit down with Devil May Cry 4, an all-new game. What would you tell that gamer to get him to play NGS instead of DMC4?

Yosuke Hayashi: You know my personal opinion in that situation would be I would say that I think the DMC games aren't really about combat per se; it's more like you have enemies but they are only there for the purpose of making you looking good. They're really just placed in the environment and then you're tasked with how you can defeat them as stylishly as possible while racking up as big a combo as possible.

And another thing he groups all the DMC games this way. And thats BS. The shadows were one of the most advanced enemies there. People who've played DMC1 with any difficulty besides Easy should know about them. They're resistant to Sword attacks, and jump, dodge, roll, vanish and fire it's spike, tackle you, and even try to bite you. You're constantly on the move. After weakening it enough, it's core shows up, but then it's resistant to gunfire and you have to go in with melee attacks before it recovers. There are countless enemies in DMC1 that make DMC3's enemies a joke. Three Shadows in one room is a nightmare. But the Shadows aren't the only enemies that are more than combo fodder. The Marionettes, Bloody Maris...those are the common enemies and they've got tricks up their sleeves, shotguns, special attacks, fatalities [mortal kombat style], grapples, blocks, counters, projectile blades...every enemy has multiple moves and a complex AI that needs a lot of experience to overcome. If anything about DMC1 I'd put above DMC3...it's the enemies. Of course, DMC3 is no slouch either. I'm just illustrating here. If you're interested, though... http://66.79.164.28/dmc1/003%20Psycho%20Siren.avi Shadows are the first enemies you see and you'll see just how agile they are. The fact that the enemy profiles/tactics in the game are the same length as the standard high school essay [consisting of multiple paragraphs of descriptions, tactics and strategies on each individual enemy page] is a slap in the face for the doubters, including Hiyashi. Up yours, Team Ninja. ;)
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#18 FalconZero
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[QUOTE="FalconZero"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="FalconZero"]A one-way street...bullcrap. If I recall correctly, I get nailed if I just concentrate on one enemy. And I'm pretty sure the Enigmas don't stand still for you to attack. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure it runs and shoots bursts of arrows as it runs, ranking itself as one of the most aggravating enemies there. I'm pretty sure, but uh...seeing as I know what the hell I'm talking about, you should trust me on this...I THINK...I THINK...that MAYBE, when you attack the King Piece in the Demonic Chess board area, he doesn't stand there, and Castles with the Rook...but thats just me. :|

Hmm...I guess the Arachnes, Hell Vanguards and others countering and interrupting a combo of mine was just a dream. :|

ZOMG, I GOT PARRIED...WHY!?!?!?! :cry:

...there, I'm done. :P
fuzzysquash

ZOMG!!! :o Falcon is back!!!!

8) Yeah, I'm back. :P Anyways, whered the GUFU movie thread go? :|

Welcome back :D

Good to be back, Fuzzy and Dante. 8) I missed a lot haha, saw the Zelda TP movies and man :o so awesome...saw the review for Godhand...meh. So much to catch up on. :P
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[QUOTE="FalconZero"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]1UP: Let's say you're sitting down with a gamer who has a choice -- he can play this fresh version of Ninja Gaiden or he can sit down with Devil May Cry 4, an all-new game. What would you tell that gamer to get him to play NGS instead of DMC4?

Yosuke Hayashi: You know my personal opinion in that situation would be I would say that I think the DMC games aren't really about combat per se; it's more like you have enemies but they are only there for the purpose of making you looking good. They're really just placed in the environment and then you're tasked with how you can defeat them as stylishly as possible while racking up as big a combo as possible.

And another thing he groups all the DMC games this way. And thats BS. The shadows were one of the most advanced enemies there. People who've played DMC1 with any difficulty besides Easy should know about them. They're resistant to Sword attacks, and jump, dodge, roll, vanish and fire it's spike, tackle you, and even try to bite you. You're constantly on the move. After weakening it enough, it's core shows up, but then it's resistant to gunfire and you have to go in with melee attacks before it recovers. There are countless enemies in DMC1 that make DMC3's enemies a joke. Three Shadows in one room is a nightmare. But the Shadows aren't the only enemies that are more than combo fodder. The Marionettes, Bloody Maris...those are the common enemies and they've got tricks up their sleeves, shotguns, special attacks, fatalities [mortal kombat style], grapples, blocks, counters, projectile blades...every enemy has multiple moves and a complex AI that needs a lot of experience to overcome. If anything about DMC1 I'd put above DMC3...it's the enemies. Of course, DMC3 is no slouch either. I'm just illustrating here. If you're interested, though... http://66.79.164.28/dmc1/003%20Psycho%20Siren.avi Shadows are the first enemies you see and you'll see just how agile they are. The fact that the enemy profiles/tactics in the game are the same length as the standard high school essay [consisting of multiple paragraphs of descriptions, tactics and strategies on each individual enemy page] is a slap in the face for the doubters, including Hiyashi. Up yours, Team Ninja. ;)

I knew that article would tick you off :lol:

btw did you make that vid?
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[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="FalconZero"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="FalconZero"]A one-way street...bullcrap. If I recall correctly, I get nailed if I just concentrate on one enemy. And I'm pretty sure the Enigmas don't stand still for you to attack. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure it runs and shoots bursts of arrows as it runs, ranking itself as one of the most aggravating enemies there. I'm pretty sure, but uh...seeing as I know what the hell I'm talking about, you should trust me on this...I THINK...I THINK...that MAYBE, when you attack the King Piece in the Demonic Chess board area, he doesn't stand there, and Castles with the Rook...but thats just me. :|

Hmm...I guess the Arachnes, Hell Vanguards and others countering and interrupting a combo of mine was just a dream. :|

ZOMG, I GOT PARRIED...WHY!?!?!?! :cry:

...there, I'm done. :P
FalconZero

ZOMG!!! :o Falcon is back!!!!

8) Yeah, I'm back. :P Anyways, whered the GUFU movie thread go? :|

Welcome back :D

Good to be back, Fuzzy and Dante. 8) I missed a lot haha, saw the Zelda TP movies and man :o so awesome...saw the review for Godhand...meh. So much to catch up on. :P

Speaking of reviews.... WHEN IS GAMESPOT GONNA DO A REVIEW FOR NIGHTFALL!!!!!!!! It's been out for over a week, but there still isn't one, yet FFXII came out after it and has already been reviewed! WTFs up with that!
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#21 kage_53
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I think you have another account Falcon