North Korea is the world's newest nuclear power

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#1 fuzzysquash
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Generally I don't like to bring up political issues here, but this is a significant development. Last time the North Koreans started a war, 3 million people were killed.

Thoughts on this issue?
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#2 videogamegirl05
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heard about it last night...not surprised. They made threats about it earlier in this week. Luckily...all the superpowers are expressing oppositition :P
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#3 -Shinryu-
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North Korea or China will win it all
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#4 jechtshot78
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Ak doesn't like any political topics...
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#5 louislegros
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I think it was obvious it was going to happen, but of course the UN will never do anything about it. Next will be Iran and then we will really be f***ed. We need to advance our anti nuclear weapon programs, or possibly let Japan loose to developing their own weapons, I'm sure they could get a functional nuclear weapon in a very short period of time.
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We'd better find a way to live on the moon, FAST!
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#7 Shinoto
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Who do you think gave them the Technologic and everything else:P

How about this...Who gains the most from Nkorea....China:P

Why do you think China is playing the middleman here...Its excatly what I would be doing. Either way you come up on top.
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#8 louislegros
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Nobody need North Korea, they have like no natural resources, a horrible economy and the trade is almost unexistant. This is why they need nukes, the only way they can play any role in the world. I doubt even their closest allies give that much of damn about em anymore, not that much communist comradery anymore (even though it is basically a dictatorship).
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We'd better find a way to live on the moon, FAST!CJL13
why? kick it with the cockroaches
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#10 lightmonkey
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I read about this. The Korean people are against this though, burning doll firgures of that dude behind it (yeah I forgot his name, sue me).
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#11 fuzzysquash
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Why do you think China is playing the middleman here...Its excatly what I would be doing. Either way you come up on topShinoto
China has condemned the tests and is working with members of the Security Council on methods of punishment for North Korea's actions.
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#12 jetpower3
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They are not going to strike anything though. The second they do, they get their asses handed to them 1,000 times over. 
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#13 linkhero1
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I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.
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#14 jechtshot78
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I read about this. The Korean people are against this though, burning doll firgures of that dude behind it (yeah I forgot his name, sue me).lightmonkey
Kim Jong Ill.
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#15 jetpower3
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I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.linkhero1

They're not going to do that unless they want to be attacked back on a scale that would make the nuclear strikes they are given the chance to launch look like smoke bombs.
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#16 linkhero1
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[QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.jetpower3

They're not going to do that unless they want to be attacked back on a scale that would make the nuclear strikes they are given the chance to launch look like smoke bombs.

That's true plus other countries have missiles pointed at them right now so if they do fire a missile at a country they'd be struck by hundreds of missiles.
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[QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.jetpower3

They're not going to do that unless they want to be attacked back on a scale that would make the nuclear strikes they are given the chance to launch look like smoke bombs.

My whole beef with it is that their entire country has no money and is relying on outside support, but they can fund nuclear missles...hmmm
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[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.jechtshot78

They're not going to do that unless they want to be attacked back on a scale that would make the nuclear strikes they are given the chance to launch look like smoke bombs.

My whole beef with it is that their entire country has no money and is relying on outside support, but they can fund nuclear missles...hmmm

Selling nuclear missiles to countries that don't have it is highly profitable.

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North Korea just wrapped the noose around their neck. They wont last long anymore. China, Russia, the EU, and America will soon take them down.

Good ol' Bush doesnt need an excuse this time :P. (B.T.W. Im republican)

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#20 mutenpika
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North Korea just wrapped the noose around their neck. They wont last long anymore. China, Russia, the EU, and America will soon take them down.

Good ol' Bush doesnt need an excuse this time :P. (B.T.W. Im republican)

Wasdie


Yeah. A threat like this isn't easy to ignore. I hope Kim Jong Il isn't mad enough to try to launch anything, though... not with the nuclear defense forces the way they are. I wonder if George W. Bush is going to make good on his campaign promise to re-start SDI research?

There's never a Metal Gear around when you need one. (B.T.W. Good for you!)
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#21 sonicmj1
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If there is any country in the world that I don't trust with nukes, it's North Korea. Nuclear weapons generally aren't used because those who possess them are sane enough that they know that if they used them, it would lead to their own anihillation. I don't feel certain that Kim Jong Il is sane.

Countries can condemn North Korea all they like, but I don't expect that there will be much action in the future. That's not a good thing.
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#22 fuzzysquash
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[QUOTE="jechtshot78"][QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.Kama151


They're not going to do that unless they want to be attacked back on a scale that would make the nuclear strikes they are given the chance to launch look like smoke bombs.

My whole beef with it is that their entire country has no money and is relying on outside support, but they can fund nuclear missles...hmmm

Selling nuclear missiles to countries that don't have it is highly profitable.

And just to add to that, the Bush administration's fear after September 11th is that rogue states like North Korea will sell WMD to terrorist organizations, some of which are willing to risk annhialation to achieve their ends.
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North Korea just wrapped the noose around their neck. They wont last long anymore. China, Russia, the EU, and America will soon take them down.

Good ol' Bush doesnt need an excuse this time :P. (B.T.W. Im republican)

Wasdie
Ya you know Bush isn't afraid to use force and we know for a fact that they have WMDs... only thing is I just turned 18 and a draft would really really really really suck.

O ya, I'd fear Iran with nukes more then North Korea. I think Kim Jong Ill wants to keep his power at all costs & you generally don't mess with crazy people with nukes. Iran on the other hand, well it isn't really a stable state, a huge supporter of terrorism & has called for the destruction of Israel on top of denying that the holocaust happened.
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#24 videogamegirl05
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NK nukes can't reach the US yet. They weigh more than a regular ole missle, so you don't have to worry about them launching one over here just yet. I guess the only thing you really have to worry about is if they get into the hands of terrorists. >_>
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#25 bc1391
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I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.linkhero1
No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.
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#26 linkhero1
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[QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.bc1391
No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.

I'm not even married yet :cry:
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Complete nuclear disarmament is impossible in the world's current state. It's not like we as humans will be able to sweep it under the rug and pretend it's all going to go away. The West and the East both have nuclear weapons - if one goes then the other goes with them. Kim Jong-il probably wants America gone but of coarse he will have to answer to the Western block if he wants his way. I see nuclear weapons as his bargaining chip for outsider resources which while wrong, is the only way for him to maintain power along with economic and people's stability without losing what pride his nation has left.

If there were no nuclear weapons in existence then this would come as a shock to me but alas this world is already full of them. To be brutally honest, I am more afraid of America than North Korea for a multitude of reasons. I live in Europe and America holds a massive idealist swing not just in this region but around the whole world. The US says "jump" and we say we'll do it twice over. What i'm really afraid of is that other countries will be swayed by America's power and ideals which could result in catastrophe. If NK and the more extremist Arab nations strike, I am fearful that they won't just strike into the heart of America but its allies as well like South Korea, Britain, Japan and Israel. I couldn't care less if North Korea has WMDs. What I care more about is if the US is stupid enough to intervene and others swiftly follow.

Iran is much more of a threat in my eyes. The president Mahmoud Ahmedinejad is an extremist Muslim who, as previous posters have pointed out has claimed the Holocaust never happened and wants to wipe Israel and the USA of the world map. My fear is that he can easily sway what his peoples think and build warheads with Washington and Jerusalem's name on them. I doubt this predicament with Iran would be around today if Reagan hadn't intervened with the Iran-Iraq war (the CIA secretly sold weapons to Iraq to help win the war which eventually ended in a stalemate). Maybe we [the West and America] would of been in a better position if we just stayed out of it but alas America's lust for financial gain has a stranglehold on their decisions (as quoted from Wikipedia below)....

"Reagan decided that the United States "could not afford to allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran", and that the United States "would do whatever was necessary and legal to prevent Iraq from losing the war with Iran"

While it doesn't exclusively mean money would be gained (Iran's political state was extremist and anti-US in the first place because of their leader at the time), it was still stupid to intervene as no threat was immediate to the US apart from a few words from their crazed cleric leader. It is similar to todays leadership but now it is different - Iran are well on their way to having nukes and are willing to use them no matter how insane the reasons.

Another example is the Vietnam War. While I do think the war was pointless since the US technically lost, it was for a good cause which was defending the invaded country from the North - much like the Korean War too. Unfortunately the way the US handled this war was idiotic. To gain passage and troop placement in Cambodia, the CIA helped supply rebels with weapons who had a wish to overthrow the peaceful government and in place install a new leader. The result? The slaughter of over a million Cambodian peoples at the hands of one of the most ruthless dictatorships the world has ever seen. The US' own lust for a won war resulted in a neutral country torn to shreds. And they lost Vietnam....

These are the effects of the US on the world. They can sway the tide of ideals and wars at the press of a button or the utter of a few words which to me is scarier than having 100 nuclear warheads in my back yard. I hate to bring games into the equation but I agree entirely with Metal Gear Solid 4's trailer....."the US has exported too much power and now she's paying the ultimate price." The game is an accurate portrayal of what the predicament is today and what hopefully (pray to God) will not come around in the future Middle-East.

In my opinion, as harsh as it may sound towards Americans on this board (i'm sorry if I seem offensive to you but I don't mean to be. I like the American peoples but dislike the ideals of the US government), North Korea's weapons will not destroy this world; the US has a higher chance of doing so. Not through weapons but through actions and words. 

The pen is mightier than the sword -- in America's case at least.

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stop writing so much :cry: ^^^^^^^^^LOZlink

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stop writing so much :cry: ^^^^^^^^^LOZlink
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[QUOTE="bc1391"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.linkhero1
No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.

I'm not even married yet :cry:

I'M STILL A VIRGIN! :cry:

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[QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.bc1391
No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.


Cryogenic freezing begs to differ :wink:.
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[QUOTE="LOZlink"]stop writing so much :cry: ^^^^^^^^^Kama151

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[QUOTE="bc1391"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.jetpower3
No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.


Cryogenic freezing begs to differ :wink:.

You can freeze yourself until the world ends but no matter what, you're gonna have to come out some time, and then you'll die.

/pessimism.

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When you're dealing with a country that has enough nukes to blow up the world four times, you have to be extremely cautious. A lot of people were saying "Oh, just bomb the hell out of them like Iraq." Iraq never had any WMDs (at least so far). The world might be against them, but they could take on the world at the push of a button.
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[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="bc1391"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.The_Game21x

No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.


Cryogenic freezing begs to differ :wink:.

You can freeze yourself until the world ends but no matter what, you're gonna have to come out some time, and then you'll die.

/pessimism.


What if they find a cure to aging?
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When you're dealing with a country that has enough nukes to blow up the world four times, you have to be extremely cautious. A lot of people were saying "Oh, just bomb the hell out of them like Iraq." Iraq never had any WMDs (at least so far). The world might be against them, but they could take on the world at the push of a button.IAmRodyle
They have enough nukes to end the world?
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[QUOTE="IAmRodyle"]When you're dealing with a country that has enough nukes to blow up the world four times, you have to be extremely cautious. A lot of people were saying "Oh, just bomb the hell out of them like Iraq." Iraq never had any WMDs (at least so far). The world might be against them, but they could take on the world at the push of a button.Wasdie
They have enough nukes to end the world?

It's been a while since I researched this...but this was true at the time I did. I believe I heard that the world's supply of nuclear weapons is enough to blow up the entire collective surface area of the Solar System.
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="bc1391"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.jetpower3

No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.


Cryogenic freezing begs to differ :wink:.

You can freeze yourself until the world ends but no matter what, you're gonna have to come out some time, and then you'll die.

/pessimism.


What if they find a cure to aging?


[Schizophrenia]
[Serious Reply] Would you really want that? As a human being I accepted death and I'm no longer afraid to die. I personally wouldn't want to live forever [/End Serious Reply]

[Joking Reply] THAT MEANS I CAN LOOK AT Pr0n FOREVER :shock:[/End Joking Reply]

[/End Schizophrenia]
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="bc1391"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.jetpower3

No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.


Cryogenic freezing begs to differ :wink:.

You can freeze yourself until the world ends but no matter what, you're gonna have to come out some time, and then you'll die.

/pessimism.


What if they find a cure to aging?

The cure to aging is death :wink:
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="IAmRodyle"]When you're dealing with a country that has enough nukes to blow up the world four times, you have to be extremely cautious. A lot of people were saying "Oh, just bomb the hell out of them like Iraq." Iraq never had any WMDs (at least so far). The world might be against them, but they could take on the world at the push of a button.IAmRodyle
They have enough nukes to end the world?

It's been a while since I researched this...but this was true at the time I did. I believe I heard that the world's supply of nuclear weapons is enough to blow up the entire collective surface area of the Solar System.

Well that is mostly between America and Russia. the EU has a bunch, but not as much as America or Russia.
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[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="bc1391"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.linkhero1

No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.


Cryogenic freezing begs to differ :wink:.

You can freeze yourself until the world ends but no matter what, you're gonna have to come out some time, and then you'll die.

/pessimism.


What if they find a cure to aging?

The cure to aging is death :wink:

Get 6 hearts and 3 brain's and you'll be safe.  
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[QUOTE="linkhero1"][QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="bc1391"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.-Shinryu-

No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.


Cryogenic freezing begs to differ :wink:.

You can freeze yourself until the world ends but no matter what, you're gonna have to come out some time, and then you'll die.

/pessimism.


What if they find a cure to aging?

The cure to aging is death :wink:

Get 6 hearts and 3 brain's and you'll be safe.  

Don't forget a shell to protect yourself from radiation.
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#45 tekkenlaw
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I heard on the radio just now that bush is saying that NK doesn't want peace (lol) and that he is threatening military action if they don't have sanctions put on.

Who would you rather give a nuclear weapon too? A war monger, or a mentally handicapped war monger?
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#46 linkhero1
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I heard on the radio just now that bush is saying that NK doesn't want peace (lol) and that he is threatening military action if they don't have sanctions put on.

Who would you rather give a nuclear weapon too? A war monger, or a mentally handicapped war monger?
tekkenlaw
Neither give the nukes to Reggie. He'll know what to do with them.
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#47 CJL13
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[QUOTE="tekkenlaw"]I heard on the radio just now that bush is saying that NK doesn't want peace (lol) and that he is threatening military action if they don't have sanctions put on.

Who would you rather give a nuclear weapon too? A war monger, or a mentally handicapped war monger?
linkhero1
Neither give the nukes to Reggie. He'll know what to do with them.

They should go with what a 12 year old did in, "The Kid Who Became President", settle it in a video game!

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#48 jetpower3
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[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="bc1391"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.linkhero1

No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.


Cryogenic freezing begs to differ :wink:.

You can freeze yourself until the world ends but no matter what, you're gonna have to come out some time, and then you'll die.

/pessimism.


What if they find a cure to aging?

The cure to aging is death :wink:


Seriously, there is a realistic cure to aging. A key to discovering this is to discover what causes aging in the first place and develop around that. That's why they have cryogenic freezing so that people can wait--neither dead or alive--for something like this to come around if it ever even does.
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#49 dante20010
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[QUOTE="linkhero1"][QUOTE="bc1391"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.CJL13

No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.

I'm not even married yet :cry:

I'M STILL A VIRGIN! :cry:

I HAVEN'T EVEN KISSED A DAMN GIRL!!!!!!!!!
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#50 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="CJL13"]

[QUOTE="linkhero1"][QUOTE="bc1391"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I'm scared because I heard that their missles could reach California.dante20010

No need to be scared, NK wouldn't even try it. That would be suicide besides WERE ALL GONNA DIE SOMEDAY HAHAHAHA *this has been another depressing pessimistic post by bc1391.

I'm not even married yet :cry:

I'M STILL A VIRGIN! :cry:

I HAVEN'T EVEN KISSED A DAMN GIRL!!!!!!!!!

Wow. Get off of these boards and get out into the world.