Apple Mobile Strategy Domination

I will agree that Apple will have a stranglehold for the mobile market for quite sometime, they have really got the marketing down, and the products to back that up. I had an Android phone for awhile, after having an iPhone since 2007 I decided to try something new and liked it for awhile but after months I was not to crazy about Android, it's not as fluid and there isn't one one standard it's fragmented.

I'll probably sticking with my iPhone, and iPad for the forseeable future.

So what the hell is this thread doing here? This belongs to system wars, are you really that insecure about your stupid locked down iOS that you have to come up with these threads?

Android market has many free apps that you wont find on the iOS for free. Bring in ad revene to these figures or they are meaningless.

And if google is making so much from iOS what does that tell you? Apple is nothing without google as there is no real alternative to google services on the internet, google still gets most of it's revenue from PCs and laptops whereas iOS is the most important revenue generating thing for apple.

Android is the most popular smartphone platform in the world, samsung is the leading smartphone manufacturer. That IS the reality.

Android users are enjoying there big screens whereas apple users are waiting for their master to release a big screen phone and once that happens, having a huge screen on a phone would be the best thing ever. :lol:

So what the hell is this thread doing here? This belongs to system wars, are you really that insecure about your stupid locked down iOS that you have to come up with these threads?

Android market has many free apps that you wont find on the iOS for free. Bring in ad revene to these figures or they are meaningless.

And if google is making so much from iOS what does that tell you? Apple is nothing without google as there is no real alternative to google services on the internet, google still gets most of it's revenue from PCs and laptops whereas iOS is the most important revenue generating thing for apple.

Android is the most popular smartphone platform in the world, samsung is the leading smartphone manufacturer. That IS the reality.

Android users are enjoying there big screens whereas apple users are waiting for their master to release a big screen phone and once that happens, having a huge screen on a phone would be the best thing ever. :lol:

Gambler_3

So what the hell is this thread doing here? This belongs to system wars, are you really that insecure about your stupid locked down iOS that you have to come up with these threads?

Android market has many free apps that you wont find on the iOS for free. Bring in ad revene to these figures or they are meaningless.

And what are these apps? Most of my iOS apps are free.

And if google is making so much from iOS what does that tell you? Apple is nothing without google as there is no real alternative to google services on the internet, google still gets most of it's revenue from PCs and laptops whereas iOS is the most important revenue generating thing for apple.

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I don't think Apple will go bankrupt without Google.

Android is the most popular smartphone platform in the world, samsung is the leading smartphone manufacturer. That IS the reality. Obviously. Android has HTC, Samsung, Motorola, Huwaii, LG, Pantech and other companies making their smartphones. Apple manufactures their smartphones themselves. Also, the iPhone has always been sold at @ $200. There were never discount new iPhones. Where as you have Amazon selling the Droid Bionic and Razr for $0.01. Android undercuts the market by selling smartphones at a huge discount where as Apple does not budge on their price point.

Android users are enjoying there big screens whereas apple users are waiting for their master to release a big screen phone and once that happens, having a huge screen on a phone would be the best thing ever. :lol:

That's nice.

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Also, most android smartphones are obselete after ~18 months in terms of software support (Hello Galaxy S) whilst the 3 year old 3GS is still recieving updates. That brings up another point on fragmentation. It's up to the hardware manufactures to decide on whether to push out updates so many phones will be stuck with yesterdays OS. Hell, ICS only has 3% of the marketshare and Google is talking about Android OS 5.

And the amazon kindle fire only proves my point of android market share. the Xoom, Galaxy Tab, Iconia Tab, Flyer, Jet Stream, Xyboard, Transformer Prime, all have failed to take a bite out of Apples tablet market share. It was only until the fire were they able to do that. Why? $200 price point. They undercut the avearge tablet price. Even so, the tablet itself is immensly inferior to the iPad.

Gambler_3

@Mac, while I don't think your intentions are to stir up an Android / iOS war (or at least I hope they're not), you must have known this was going to happen.

On topic, the numbers do show that Apple is really generating a lot of money, and I'm interested to see what they plan to do in dealing with the changes coming to the market. This year and the next few will be very interesting in terms of mobile devices (phones/tablets/etc.). There is a clear change in gears in the industry, ever since computer tech has taken this leap into the smaller and more portable world the amount of opportunity is astonishing.

There's a lot of new hardware coming to the market this year and many new players. AMD in the tablet/laptop department with new APUs, Intel into mobile phones with atom processors and into tablets/ultrabooks with Ivy Bridge. Microsoft (slow and steady) is making a push on Windows mobile and the soon to be launch of Windows 8 (which works pretty well with tablets). A new Eyxnos/Mali and Snapdragon/Adreno are on their way or already on the market. Even mobile service providers are taking the leap to expand 4G and LTE services. Overall I think the next couple years will be very interesting in terms of defining the direction the industry will take.

And what are these apps? Most of my iOS apps are free.

DroidPhysX

And then there is the amazon app store which gives a new free app every day.

Obviously. Android has HTC, Samsung, Motorola, Huwaii, LG, Pantech and other companies making their smartphones. Apple manufactures their smartphones themselves. Also, the iPhone has always been sold at @ $200. There were never discount new iPhones. Where as you have Amazon selling the Droid Bionic and Razr for $0.01. Android undercuts the market by selling smartphones at a huge discount where as Apple does not budge on their price point.

DroidPhysX

What is the contract price of an iphone 3GS? $0.

But yes generally iphone gives worse value for money, atleast you admit it.

Also, most android smartphones are obselete after ~18 months in terms of software support (Hello Galaxy S) whilst the 3 year old 3GS is still recieving updates. That brings up another point on fragmentation. It's up to the hardware manufactures to decide on whether to push out updates so many phones will be stuck with yesterdays OS. Hell, ICS only has 3% of the marketshare and Google is talking about Android OS 5.

DroidPhysX

You dont even have free angry birds do you? We have both paid and free version. You dont have free fruit ninja? We do. This is how it is with many apps.

And then there is the amazon app store which gives a new free app every day.

Besides UNO, monopoly and GTA 3, I don't have any other games on my iPhone. :?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Obviously. Android has HTC, Samsung, Motorola, Huwaii, LG, Pantech and other companies making their smartphones. Apple manufactures their smartphones themselves. Also, the iPhone has always been sold at @ $200. There were never discount new iPhones. Where as you have Amazon selling the Droid Bionic and Razr for $0.01. Android undercuts the market by selling smartphones at a huge discount where as Apple does not budge on their price point.

Gambler_3

What is the contract price of an iphone 3GS? $0.

But yes generally iphone gives worse value for money, atleast you admit it.

What? You missed the point entirely. The contract price for a NEW (hint: NEW) iPhone is not subsidized to $0.01. The iPhone 3GS is not a new product whilst you see the Galaxy S2 is heavily subsidized ontop of the initial one. Galaxy S2 is the best selling android. Okay? What does that have to do with this arguement? Even so, there's a reason why it's selling more.

When did I admit anything? I was pointing out the pricing strategy of Android manufactures to achieve high market share. They teach people this stuff in Business 101 on how to get market share fast.

Low pricing strategy = trying to achieve market share.

Also, most android smartphones are obselete after ~18 months in terms of software support (Hello Galaxy S) whilst the 3 year old 3GS is still recieving updates. That brings up another point on fragmentation. It's up to the hardware manufactures to decide on whether to push out updates so many phones will be stuck with yesterdays OS. Hell, ICS only has 3% of the marketshare and Google is talking about Android OS 5.

DroidPhysX

Where's ICS on Samsung Galaxy S?

What sort of software support is this that makes you upgrade our phone for a software feature?

@Mac, while I don't think your intentions are to stir up an Android / iOS war (or at least I hope they're not), you must have known this was going to happen.

On topic, the numbers do show that Apple is really generating a lot of money, and I'm interested to see what they plan to do in dealing with the changes coming to the market. This year and the next few will be very interesting in terms of mobile devices (phones/tablets/etc.). There is a clear change in gears in the industry, ever since computer tech has taken this leap into the smaller and more portable world the amount of opportunity is astonishing.

There's a lot of new hardware coming to the market this year and many new players. AMD in the tablet/laptop department with new APUs, Intel into mobile phones with atom processors and into tablets/ultrabooks with Ivy Bridge. Microsoft (slow and steady) is making a push on Windows mobile and the soon to be launch of Windows 8 (which works pretty well with tablets). A new Eyxnos/Mali and Snapdragon/Adreno are on their way or already on the market. Even mobile service providers are taking the leap to expand 4G and LTE services. Overall I think the next couple years will be very interesting in terms of defining the direction the industry will take.

NVIDIATI

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]You dont even have free angry birds do you? We have both paid and free version. You dont have free fruit ninja? We do. This is how it is with many apps.

And then there is the amazon app store which gives a new free app every day.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Obviously. Android has HTC, Samsung, Motorola, Huwaii, LG, Pantech and other companies making their smartphones. Apple manufactures their smartphones themselves. Also, the iPhone has always been sold at @ $200. There were never discount new iPhones. Where as you have Amazon selling the Droid Bionic and Razr for $0.01. Android undercuts the market by selling smartphones at a huge discount where as Apple does not budge on their price point.

Gambler_3

What is the contract price of an iphone 3GS? $0.

But yes generally iphone gives worse value for money, atleast you admit it.

Also, most android smartphones are obselete after ~18 months in terms of software support (Hello Galaxy S) whilst the 3 year old 3GS is still recieving updates. That brings up another point on fragmentation. It's up to the hardware manufactures to decide on whether to push out updates so many phones will be stuck with yesterdays OS. Hell, ICS only has 3% of the marketshare and Google is talking about Android OS 5.

DroidPhysX

Besides UNO, monopoly and GTA 3, I don't have any other games on my iPhone. :?

Where's ICS on Samsung Galaxy S?

What sort of software support is this that makes you upgrade our phone for a software feature?

DroidPhysX

You do know a major android release brings a ton more stuff than a new iOS release? ICS is completely totally revamped from GB, what does iOS 5 bring? A notification bar lol. The less significant an update the easier it is to support phones. Besides where is siri on iphone 4?

If you want the best supported phone then get a nexus phone. My nexus S was launched in november 2010 and I am running the latest fully featured version of android.

The iphone 3GS has been the only really well supported phone, iphone 3G choked up completely on iOS4 and apple never manged to run it well after that. Giving one example from 4 phones is hardly convincing, we have already seen how the iphone 4 got treated by not getting siri. There is simply no excuse why it shouldnt have siri.

It's sad that you can pick up a new galaxy s ll for $50 and an iPhone for over $200 but Samsung still BARELY has them beat.Kid-Atari

[QUOTE="Kid-Atari"] It's sad that you can pick up a new galaxy s ll for $50 and an iPhone for over $200 but Samsung still BARELY has them beat.Gambler_3

Gambler, you need to either stay on-topic, or you need to find your way out of the iOS forum all together. If you can't keep your cool and discuss things rationally (see NVIDIATI), it would be best if you chose not to participate at all.musicalmac

You dont own this forum, I'll keep posting in troll threads like these.

If you dont want me here then refrain from posting articles like "I'm sick to death of android". You are just masking your own troll with troll articles.

You dont own this forum, I'll keep posting in troll threads like these.

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

If you dont want me here then refrain from posting articles like "I'm sick to death of android". You are just masking your own troll with troll articles.

You dont own this forum, I'll keep posting in troll threads like these.

musicalmac

speaking of insecurity, creating threads attacking the competition in a forum typically full of supporters is pretty high up there.

[QUOTE="mystic_knight"]I agree that in the tablet market you have a really good industry the iPad is definitely a winner there, but more and more you are seeing the users of iPhones move away to the competition. Apple play it far too safe and are losing grounds on that. The iPhone display has not changed in size since its original phone. You say about android caring about specs, yet its also important for Apple to maintain specs to meet up with current demand, so obviously its an important factor when designing a mobile device. Without updated cpu cores or gpu's you would not be able to run things like infinity blade or air supremacy. Realistically both companies use each other as drives, and each company learn of each other, im not going to deny my one X has certain ideas introduced by apple to create the all in one experience, but im also not gonna deny and neither should you guys that iPhone have taken some great ideas from androids design to continue to improve their software/hardware. Its just time that Apple get away from the 3.5"display from their iPhones. Gambler, Apples devices are quite solid, there is no doubt that they can perform well. Same can be said for most of the latest android phones, its silly that we are arguing over this, i think differently from everyone else in here, and i know mjc is like that too, we appreciate technology regardless of branding, good technology is just good technology whether its from Apple, HTC, Samsung or anyone else. I believe the iPad is the strongest and best tablet right now, but the transformer prime is the most versatile with its dock and connectivity options. I believe the One x is the strongest and best Mobile phone, but the iPhone has best support for video games and apps. :) I never understood the 'System/os/platform wars' attitude. Its great to appreciate everything.musicalmac

The OP is a little suggestive of anti Android. While i can understand where your arguement is, im sure you can see why some may have seen it differently. I still agree that Apple did a much better job with developers.

mystic_knight

You wanna make a thread about financials fine but then you go and put "personal experiences" of some random person as if it has anything to do with financials.

While apple may have great apps but there are serious problems with the OS. It's not just about games you know infact gaming is a secondary thing to me in a smartphone.

Just because apple is so successful doesnt mean that people are just as happy with it. The "vast majority" is using an android phone that is the reality. Apple just happens to have an incredibly loyal userbase who will pay anything apple asks for thats why they are so profitable.

HTC is selling quad core and 4.7" retina screen phone for the same price as apple is selling a dual core phone with 3.5" retina screen. How bloody ridiculous.

And as for the iOS, this video highlights some of the issues very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw&feature=player_embedded

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

You wanna make a thread about financials fine but then you go and put "personal experiences" of some random person as if it has anything to do with financials.

While apple may have great apps but there are serious problems with the OS. It's not just about games you know infact gaming is a secondary thing to me in a smartphone.

Just because apple is so successful doesnt mean that people are just as happy with it. The "vast majority" is using an android phone that is the reality. Apple just happens to have an incredibly loyal userbase who will pay anything apple asks for thats why they are so profitable.

HTC is selling quad core and 4.7" retina screen phone for the same price as apple is selling a dual core phone with 3.5" retina screen. How bloody ridiculous.

And as for the iOS, this video highlights some of the issues very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw&feature=player_embedded

Kid-Atari

You wanna make a thread about financials fine but then you go and put "personal experiences" of some random person as if it has anything to do with financials.

While apple may have great apps but there are serious problems with the OS. It's not just about games you know infact gaming is a secondary thing to me in a smartphone.

Just because apple is so successful doesnt mean that people are just as happy with it. The "vast majority" is using an android phone that is the reality. Apple just happens to have an incredibly loyal userbase who will pay anything apple asks for thats why they are so profitable.

HTC is selling quad core and 4.7" retina screen phone for the same price as apple is selling a dual core phone with 3.5" retina screen. How bloody ridiculous.

And as for the iOS, this video highlights some of the issues very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw&feature=player_embedded

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="Kid-Atari"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

You wanna make a thread about financials fine but then you go and put "personal experiences" of some random person as if it has anything to do with financials.

While apple may have great apps but there are serious problems with the OS. It's not just about games you know infact gaming is a secondary thing to me in a smartphone.

Just because apple is so successful doesnt mean that people are just as happy with it. The "vast majority" is using an android phone that is the reality. Apple just happens to have an incredibly loyal userbase who will pay anything apple asks for thats why they are so profitable.

HTC is selling quad core and 4.7" retina screen phone for the same price as apple is selling a dual core phone with 3.5" retina screen. How bloody ridiculous.

And as for the iOS, this video highlights some of the issues very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw&feature=player_embedded

Gambler_3

And as for the iOS, this video highlights some of the issues very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw&feature=player_embedded

Gambler_3

I feel I should make note of the fact that the user demoing both phones does not know how to use iOS.

In the first example, he cites the inability to open a link in any browser he has installed. While this is true, the work-around he shows is needlessly complicated. Tap and hold an image with a link to bring up a menu that allows you to either save the image, or copy the link. Then paste it into the browser. Not as convenient as changing the default browser, but certainly not as complicated as this user makes it seem.

His second example is also poor. All the supported search engines on i OS offer links underneath the address called, "Get Directions". You can imagine what it does. With Siri, you can ask your phone how to get somewhere and it will automatically route you, as well. No hands-on input required.

Some things the user cites are personal preference, but some are simply incorrect. He doesn't understand basic iOS multitasking, and that it is indeed multitasking. Apple has included APIs for developers to support things like background audio, downloads, and a number of other critical app tasks. The way Apple has implemented it saves your battery and your CPU needless cyles. The only time you would ever need to close apps via multitasking is if the app suffered an error and needed to be restarted. Otherwise there is no reason why you'd ever "close" anything.

He also cites things like the inability to easily make ringtones, yet a simple search of the App Store reveals multiple (free) options for ringtone creation.

This user is borderline clueless, and I certainly think it says a thing or two about your knowledge of iOS, which is to say, very limited. I wouldn't bother wasting any more time on these inaccurate videos.You'll simply end up looking foolish again.musicalmac

Not being able to set a default browser is massive fail. There is no way I would bother even installing another browser, as always less options with apple. I was using dolphin browser on android as well it's very good but now after ICS I am using the default browser for now, it's all about having the choice.

Ringtone "creation" is not the same as native sorry. With android I can "set" and not create a ringtone from the music player itself, beat that.

Iphone 4S doesnt exactly have the greatest battery life you know, I have to idea if closing apps can improve it or not but just saying.

I have never done navigation on iOS so I dont know.

Tell me how do you instantly change screen brightness on iphone?? I have a toggle in my notification bar. How do you instantly toggle wifi, auto rotation without going into the whole settings menu?

ICS takes it to a whole new level now you can access the notification bar with the lockscreen. So if I am playing a game and want to change brightness I dont even have to exit the game. Just lock the phone, press the lock button again to access notification bar and there you go start playing without having to reload game.

The apple app store doesnt even tell how much of the % has been downloaded of an application and neither does the notification bar, you have to go all the way back to the home screen, absolutely ridiculous.

And lastly iphone auto-brightness is so bad it's totally useless which makes the lack of brightness toggle even more frustrating. For this reason alone I cannot use iphone. On my android when I am in the sun the brightness is 100%, when I am in pitch darkness the brightness is 0% all done automatically. With iphone it is simply not possible as it's auto brightness only works within 20% above and below the value you set. So if you set 80% brightness, it will only work itself between 60-100%.

With android you can do pretty much everything with fewer clicks than on iOS, fact!!

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Gambler_3

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musicalmac

Alot of his points are totally relavent. He just overcooks things but that doesnt make it irrelevant.

Gambler_3

But I didnt make that video did I? The same lame excuse you give when you post biased irrelevant articles. ;)

Atleast I admit there is bias in the video.

But I didnt make that video did I? The same lame excuse you give when you post biased irrelevant articles. ;)

Atleast I admit there is bias in the video.

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

But I didnt make that video did I? The same lame excuse you give when you post biased irrelevant articles. ;)

Atleast I admit there is bias in the video.

musicalmac

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1557484

And it has a 5 star rating.

You dont seem to accept that the guy had alot of valid points, just because some of his points werent doesnt mean hes some clueless guy who doesnt know anything.

Okay I saw the video again and concentrated on what you said. Apart from the navigation thing there was nothing that he was clueless about.

The copy pasting method you suggested is hardly that much better than what he did. Whether you need to close apps in iOS or not was absolutely not the point of what he was saying.

So apart from one thing I see nothing wrong with the video.

Okay I saw the video again and concentrated on what you said. Apart from the navigation thing there was nothing that he was clueless about.

The copy pasting method you suggested is hardly that much better than what he did. Whether you need to close apps in iOS or not was absolutely not the point of what he was saying.

So apart from one thing I see nothing wrong with the video.

Gambler_3

I'd like to see what all these apps are. so many people just down load for the sake of having apps. All these apps for websites and web based things are just so pointless and a good mobile website would be of much more use. I don't get why people would pay for much besides games. Highend phones pretty much come with 95% of the apps most people will ever use. imprezawrx500

yes I do and there are so many apps that are just a replica of the mobile website and in some cases have less function than the mobile website, there are certain things a good apps is great for such as gps navigation but there are tones out there just because people are trying to get a slice of the mobile app market. . imprezawrx500

yes I do and there are so many apps that are just a replica of the mobile website and in some cases have less function than the mobile website, there are certain things a good apps is great for such as gps navigation but there are tones out there just because people are trying to get a slice of the mobile app market. . imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]yes I do and there are so many apps that are just a replica of the mobile website and in some cases have less function than the mobile website, there are certain things a good apps is great for such as gps navigation but there are tones out there just because people are trying to get a slice of the mobile app market. . Kid-Atari

I've got an app that lets me shoot time-lapse videos and panoramic photos, Kid-Atari

Most of the apps you listed i believe are available on android, and he uses an incredible S so it should be available for him.

I have no idea what that cablevision is though, is that american specific?