iPhone 4S Demand CONTINUES to Grow

Saw these statistics awhile ago. It really comes as no surprise. The abandonment rate of every other smartphone manufacturer inreases every quarter while the demand for Apple mobile devices equally rises.

Quality will always usurp the competition. I've been calling this moment since four years ago.

The biggest issue is that smart phone developers need to get off their track record of releasing new phones ever 4 weeks with new names and hard to understand scaling system. Who knows if one randomly named phone is more powerful than another. Its too much and too fast and no one can keep up before the last phone is already abandoned in the dust. Apple releases just often enough to keep things refreshedw ithout overloading the customer base with a surplus of random phones. Im no Apple fan by any means, i dont even own one. But frankly this easy naming policy plus a relatively slow (for this industry) rollout cycle for each new product has allowed them to give customers confidence in their purchases not only in knowing which one is superior to the last, but also that their product will be supported for at least a year or two before being relegated to the back cycle.ColdfireTrilogy

I don't think you can read too much into this. Obviously the iPhone is the most popular smartphone, but Android is such a branding and marketing clusterf*ck that it's probably well underrepresented relative to what those same consumers will actually end up buying. It's easy to say "yeah, I'll probably buy an iPhone in the next 90 days"; it's no so easy to say "yeah, I'll probably get an HTC One X once it comes out. Or a One S, I think I'd have to see them in person first. Or maybe a Samsung Galaxy S3 if it's any good (which it may or may not be, since it hasn't been formally announced yet even though it's expected to launch in the near future). Oh, look, Verizon has a really great deal on the Razr Maxx..."

I don't think you can read too much into this. Obviously the iPhone is the most popular smartphone, but Android is such a branding and marketing clusterf*ck that it's probably well underrepresented relative to what those same consumers will actually end up buying. It's easy to say "yeah, I'll probably buy an iPhone in the next 90 days"; it's no so easy to say "yeah, I'll probably get an HTC One X once it comes out. Or a One S, I think I'd have to see them in person first. Or maybe a Samsung Galaxy S3 if it's any good (which it may or may not be, since it hasn't been formally announced yet even though it's expected to launch in the near future). Oh, look, Verizon has a really great deal on the Razr Maxx..."

Slow_Show

And yet samsung sold more smartphones in 2011 than apple. This whole market research is utterly baseless, are you really trying to tell me apple sells 400% more smartphones than samsung? Jeez are you really this stupid because thats exactly what this thing suggests.

More than 50% of the demographic of this research buys apple. Only 25% of the smartphone world buys apple, this should have been enough to throw this whole research out. Musicalmac you are the biggest fanboy on this forum, kindly stop with these troll posts.

kindly stop with these troll posts.

Gambler_3

And yet samsung sold more smartphones in 2011 than apple. This whole market research is utterly baseless, are you really trying to tell me apple sells 400% more smartphones than samsung? Jeez are you really this stupid because thats exactly what this thing suggests.

More than 50% of the demographic of this research buys apple. Only 25% of the smartphone world buys apple, this should have been enough to throw this whole research out. Musicalmac you are the biggest fanboy on this forum, kindly stop with these troll posts.

Gambler_3

And yet samsung sold more smartphones in 2011 than apple.Gambler_3

I didn't make the graphic.

musicalmac

So? Posting obviously inaccurate third party information is the same as posting it yourself.

... yet ironically, this thread is a legit post where it belongs in the Apple forum, and yours is a troll post. Samsung has the world's largest smartphone brand in 2011, according to market watcher IHS. But Apple had a strong Q4 with sales of iPhone 4S and was the leading smartphone supplier in the fourth quarter. Apple in the fourth quarter of 2011 shipped 37 million smartphones worldwide, up 117% from 17 million in the second quarter. Do the math. Apple jumped from 17 million in the third quarter to 37 million in the fourth, and jumped up even more the first quarter of this year. They've already begun to outpace Samsung. http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/03/29/nielsen-recent-u-s-iphone-sales-nearly-matched-androids/ ^ Look at this link. Do the math. If every quarter, Apple is selling more iPhones, and Apple grabs more market share, then the statistics in OP make perfect sense. Seems to me like everyone was just waiting for the iPhone 5. Say goodbye to Samsungs lead this year. Say goodbye to Android market dominance, in general, actually. Apple managed to take half the entire market with just one phone. Kid-Atari

And samsung predicted 100% growth in 2012, it's just a few days to go we will see who came out on top this quarter.

Looking back over the past year, Samsung edged out Apple in smartphone sales during the June quarter while Apple bested Samsung during the March quarter. All told, Apple in 2011 sold 93 million smartphones while Samsung managed to sell 95 million smartphones. And while Apple's iPhone growth is certainly impressive, Samsung didn't slouch off in that department either as their year over year growth checked in at 278%. Of course, when it comes to profit share in the smartphone market, *Apple simply can't be touched.* Hell, when it comes to profits period, Apple can't be touched. With revenue of $46.33 billion in the last quarter, Apple reported one of the most lucrative quarters in corporate history. The short of it is that Apple's business model generates a whole lot more money with less. ADCHeil68

Remember samsung is much more a new player than apple as far company growth and world recognition is concerned. I dare say it could match apple one day profit wise if it keeps going this way.

So? Posting obviously inaccurate third party information is the same as posting it yourself.

Gambler_3

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So? Posting obviously inaccurate third party information is the same as posting it yourself.

musicalmac

Surveys are useless to declare absolutes like you have done. I recently went to london, everyone seems to have an iphone there. If I were to do a survey in london it might seem 90% of the world owns an iphone.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

So? Posting obviously inaccurate third party information is the same as posting it yourself.

Gambler_3

Surveys are useless to declare absolutes like you have done. I recently went to london, everyone seems to have an iphone there. If I were to do a survey in london it might seem 90% of the world owns an iphone.

ChangeWave research is one of the few prestigious analytical and research companies that Wall Street relies on for sound financial projections. The only one that doesn't have a firm grasp of reality here is you, seeing as you're the only one here arguing with facts like a lunatic. More proof you don't know what you're talking about: Samsung isn't making much of a profit off their smartphone sales. In fact, despite their huge phone sales success last year, their profits actually FELL. http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/27/samsungs-q3-2011-overall-profit-falls-despite-incredible-phone/ You are so knowledgeable and well-researched. :roll: So no, Samsung is not making "serious" profit off of their phones, and yes, the iPhone is now the most in-demand smartphone of all time this year, and iOS market share is going to level off while Android retention rates continue to systematically decline as it always has for the last two years. And no, the Razrr Maxx is not a revolution. It's anything but that, and I've read your fellow Android fans completely disagree with you in your own forum. You do not have any foresight, in fact you have the opposite of; and it would be much appreciated if you kept out of this iOS exclusive discussion with your apparent Android blindness.Kid-Atari

"when it comes to phones the news couldn't be better, where it notched an operating profit of $2.3 billion on record sales."

:roll:

And why looking back at that quarter?

Q4 2011 saw 50% growth the most recent quarter.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/samsung-2011-q4-earnings-official-billion-in-revenue-4-6-bi/

And now they are expecting double growth in Q1 2012.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/06/samsung-q1-2012-earnings-guidance/

Please do better research before posting.

And thats the beauty of android, we dont follow one company and do whatever the hell it tells us.

Just throwing it out there, while 4413 people is a significantly better number than that one survey survey you guys were so fond of with 512 people, thats still a pretty small number.

Also, CNN itself mentions that its not a very good representation. Look, its all well and good that people say they are interested in this phone, or that phone, but if this chart were redone to represent, say, 2012 election season politicians, it would be laughed out for being a meaningless representative poll that isn't a good representation of how the election season would go.

I'll stick to the hard numbers, not the list of numbers created by a selection of mainly americans with no background on their general technological leanings beyond "early adopters". We'll have them fairly soon anyways.

Just throwing it out there, while 4413 people is a significantly better number than that one survey survey you guys were so fond of with 512 people, thats still a pretty small number.

Also, CNN itself mentions that its not a very good representation. Look, its all well and good that people say they are interested in this phone, or that phone, but if this chart were redone to represent, say, 2012 election season politicians, it would be laughed out for being a meaningless representative poll that isn't a good representation of how the election season would go.

I'll stick to the hard numbers, not the list of numbers created by a selection of mainly americans with no background on their general technological leanings beyond "early adopters". We'll have them fairly soon anyways.

semianonymous

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Just throwing it out there, while 4413 people is a significantly better number than that one survey survey you guys were so fond of with 512 people, thats still a pretty small number.

Also, CNN itself mentions that its not a very good representation. Look, its all well and good that people say they are interested in this phone, or that phone, but if this chart were redone to represent, say, 2012 election season politicians, it would be laughed out for being a meaningless representative poll that isn't a good representation of how the election season would go.

I'll stick to the hard numbers, not the list of numbers created by a selection of mainly americans with no background on their general technological leanings beyond "early adopters". We'll have them fairly soon anyways.

musicalmac

Apple and android userbase havent yet "collided" they are both growing which means they are both cutting into the marketshare of other platforms like blackberry, symbian and non-smartphones. If one starts to decline only then we can say that the satisfaction rate is not good.

Gambler_3

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Apple and android userbase havent yet "collided" they are both growing which means they are both cutting into the marketshare of other platforms like blackberry, symbian and non-smartphones. If one starts to decline only then we can say that the satisfaction rate is not good.

musicalmac

I know many people who switched from iphone to android, none so far who went back.

And verizon isnt the world but nobody denied the 4S is selling like hotcakes.

And how do you know android doesnt have immensely satisfying ratings?

I know many people who switched from iphone to android, none so far who went back.

And verizon isnt the world but nobody denied the 4S is selling like hotcakes.

Gambler_3

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And how do you know android doesnt have immensely satisfying ratings?

I know many people who switched from iphone to android, none so far who went back.

And verizon isnt the world but nobody denied the 4S is selling like hotcakes.

musicalmac

Please dont bring in any surveys or anything, the marketshare is the biggest and undisputable fact. :)

Android may have "internal" dissatisfaction meaning one might be dissatisfied with LG and might wanna switch to samsung or HTC. In the iOS vs android debate that dissatisfaction is irrelevant because a person dissatisfied with an LG phone is not necessarily dissatisfied with android.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

And how do you know android doesnt have immensely satisfying ratings?

I know many people who switched from iphone to android, none so far who went back.

And verizon isnt the world but nobody denied the 4S is selling like hotcakes.

Gambler_3

Please dont bring in any surveys or anything, the marketshare is the biggest and undisputable fact. :)

Android may have "internal" dissatisfaction meaning one might be dissatisfied with LG and might wanna switch to samsung or HTC. In the iOS vs android debate that dissatisfaction is irrelevant because a person dissatisfied with an LG phone is not necessarily dissatisfied with android.

The developer dissatisfaction has nothing to do with user dissatisfaction. :|

The samsung galaxy S series continues to break records every year and you say it's the cheap phones doing the sales. Some real facts you got there. :roll:

The galaxy S2 is the best selling android phone and now the S3 is going to sell even faster you can bet on that.

It doesnt matter for our discussion what the devs think, it will only have a bearing on the future which we are NOT talking about. As far as the present is concerned, the android app experience continues to get better and so does the user satisfaction as it is obvious from the growing sales.

iOS might have an edge with apps but there is ALOT more to a smartphone than just the apps.

The developer dissatisfaction has nothing to do with user dissatisfaction. :|

The samsung galaxy S series continues to break records every year and you say it's the cheap phones doing the sales. Some real facts you got there. :roll:

The galaxy S2 is the best selling android phone and now the S3 is going to sell even faster you can bet on that.

It doesnt matter for our discussion what the devs think, it will only have a bearing on the future which we are NOT talking about. As far as the present is concerned, the android app experience continues to get better and so does the user satisfaction as it is obvious from the growing sales.

iOS might have an edge with apps but there is ALOT more to a smartphone than just the apps.

Gambler_3

Thus concluding the android expierence isn't better because of its 'obvious growing sales'.

Android has higher sales growth than iOS, sorry but there is nothing that can convince me that android satisfaction rates are lower than iOS because it would just be illogical to believe that.

Please dont bring in any surveys or anything, the marketshare is the biggest and undisputable fact. :)

Android may have "internal" dissatisfaction meaning one might be dissatisfied with LG and might wanna switch to samsung or HTC. In the iOS vs android debate that dissatisfaction is irrelevant because a person dissatisfied with an LG phone is not necessarily dissatisfied with android.

Gambler_3

It doesnt matter for our discussion what the devs think, it will only have a bearing on the future which we are NOT talking about. As far as the present is concerned, the android app experience continues to get better and so does the user satisfaction as it is obvious from the growing sales.Gambler_3

Android has higher sales growth than iOS, sorry but there is nothing that can convince me that android satisfaction rates are lower than iOS because it would just be illogical to believe that. Gambler_3

Err, lets look at amazon for a second: Galaxy S2: $50 They're breaking records? Obviously with a market strategy that sells $150 LESS than the iPhone 4S, it would be common sense to think that. Cheap phones = more sales

Thus concluding the android expierence isn't better because of its 'obvious growing sales'.

DroidPhysX

How does the S2 being cheaper suggest that android experience isnt better? Just because samsung products arent a ripoff doesnt mean they are "cheap" products lol.

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Err, lets look at amazon for a second: Galaxy S2: $50 They're breaking records? Obviously with a market strategy that sells $150 LESS than the iPhone 4S, it would be common sense to think that. Cheap phones = more sales

Thus concluding the android expierence isn't better because of its 'obvious growing sales'.

Gambler_3

How does the S2 being cheaper suggest that android experience isnt better? Just because samsung products arent a ripoff doesnt mean they are "cheap" products lol.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Err, lets look at amazon for a second: Galaxy S2: $50 They're breaking records? Obviously with a market strategy that sells $150 LESS than the iPhone 4S, it would be common sense to think that. Cheap phones = more sales

Thus concluding the android expierence isn't better because of its 'obvious growing sales'.

DroidPhysX

How does the S2 being cheaper suggest that android experience isnt better? Just because samsung products arent a ripoff doesnt mean they are "cheap" products lol.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Are you suggesting galaxy S2 is an inferior quality product than iphone 4S? :|

How does the S2 being cheaper suggest that android experience isnt better? Just because samsung products arent a ripoff doesnt mean they are "cheap" products lol.

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Are you suggesting galaxy S2 is an inferior quality product than iphone 4S? :|

How does the S2 being cheaper suggest that android experience isnt better? Just because samsung products arent a ripoff doesnt mean they are "cheap" products lol.

Gambler_3

The LG Spectrum was released 3 months ago and is already retailing at $.01. S2 has been on top of the market for a year now. Yes, that doesn't mean it wasn't discounted further at launch and the months proceeding it.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] No, you're assuming just because it's breaking records it must be giving a solid android experience that keeps getting better. No, that's a shaky assumption since retailers move these 'record breaking number' of units @ deeper discounts than the initial $200 price point. Galaxy S2 selling a lot? Would this have to do with the fact that retailers are NOT selling it for the conventional $200 price tag?Kid-Atari

[QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

I don't think you can read too much into this. Obviously the iPhone is the most popular smartphone, but Android is such a branding and marketing clusterf*ck that it's probably well underrepresented relative to what those same consumers will actually end up buying. It's easy to say "yeah, I'll probably buy an iPhone in the next 90 days"; it's no so easy to say "yeah, I'll probably get an HTC One X once it comes out. Or a One S, I think I'd have to see them in person first. Or maybe a Samsung Galaxy S3 if it's any good (which it may or may not be, since it hasn't been formally announced yet even though it's expected to launch in the near future). Oh, look, Verizon has a really great deal on the Razr Maxx..."

musicalmac

The point being that you can't just draw a line straight from "this is what I think I'm going to buy down the road" to "this is what I've bought". It's just too complex and fluid a marketplace to expect the average consumer (or even tech savvy consumers) to be able to make that kind of prediction with a reasonable degree of accuracy.

When people do satisfaction rating you don't compare android to iOS it should be as apple vs samsung, vs HTC vs LG etc. it doesn't make any sense to use os's to compete.

mystic_knight

I agree with the TC. There are too many phones to choose from all the different manufactures and operating systems.

I got a IPhone 4 last year, and i will wait for a IPhone 5 for my next phone. Its much easier that way. The way i see it, every other phone out there is just trying to duplicate Iphone anyway.

except the like of the galaxy s2 and htc sensation do everything the iphone does except better. The iphone is now just to small to feel like a real contender to the 4"+ Phones out there. Iphone may be fast but the tiny screen put it next to budget to midrange droids in my book. Apple is all about pixel density over screen size which really isn't important if you screen is to small to view full size websites. Why is it apple owners that always complain when there is no mobile website? imprezawrx500

So apple quarter report is out and iphone demand SLOWED. :roll:

I have told you several times you really should stop bothering with these half assed surveys and predictions, just stick to the real facts. ;)

So apple quarter report is out and iphone demand SLOWED. :roll:

I have told you several times you really should stop bothering with these half assed surveys and predictions, just stick to the real facts. ;)

Gambler_3

So apple quarter report is out and iphone demand SLOWED. :roll:

I have told you several times you really should stop bothering with these half assed surveys and predictions, just stick to the real facts. ;)

Gambler_3

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So apple quarter report is out and iphone demand SLOWED. :roll:

I have told you several times you really should stop bothering with these half assed surveys and predictions, just stick to the real facts. ;)

musicalmac

The Company sold 35.1 million iPhones in the quarter, representing 88 percent unit *growth* over the year-ago quarter. I guess that is pretty bad.Heil68

Nobody was talking about growth over the previous quarter. This thread is about growth of iphone 4S demand a phone which you know didnt exist in the same quarter last year. :roll:

To repeat, your posts are irrelevant. It should be noted that demand is still high enough to make Apple's iPhone business alone likely more profitable than Exxon Mobile, and every other company in the world. http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-profit-2012-4musicalmac