Samsung vs Apple case

Pretty much every other Apple lawsuit was BS and the patent system needs an overhaul. However, even as an Android and Samsung fanboy, I will say that it is blatantly obvious that Samsung copied Apple with the original Galaxy S and GTab 10.1. There is no denying it.

So galaxy S design is inspired by iphone? lol

Clearly everyone copies apple interface then so if something like a grid of icons is supposed to a protected thing then apple should ask for royalties from everyone.

if something like a grid of icons is supposed to a protected thing then apple should ask for royalties from everyone.

Gambler_3

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if something like a grid of icons is supposed to a protected thing then apple should ask for royalties from everyone.

Darthkaiser

Thats the application menu of a nearly decade old phone.

:roll: Icon layout? Seriously? I guess you haven't been keeping tabs with the trial. It goes far beyond that. Do yourself a favor and read up. Too muh evidence including INTERNAL SAMSUNG DOCUMENTS that clearly show Samsung has a huge boner for copying Apple. Icon arrangement is nothing.Kid-Atari

Whereas the likes of nokia, MS and RIM realised the impact of iphone far too late.

[QUOTE="Kid-Atari"]:roll: Icon layout? Seriously? I guess you haven't been keeping tabs with the trial. It goes far beyond that. Do yourself a favor and read up. Too muh evidence including INTERNAL SAMSUNG DOCUMENTS that clearly show Samsung has a huge boner for copying Apple. Icon arrangement is nothing.Gambler_3

Whereas the likes of nokia, MS and RIM realised the impact of iphone far too late.

Samsung's lawyers got manhandled. After learning what I have, I hope Apple can continue to separate themselves from Samsung, as they are doing with Google. And I hope Apple buries this kind of slavish copying so deep through this litigation that no other major company feels comfortable cloning Apple again.

This trial is not about the money, and Apple won a while ago. Any other sanctions against Samsung are just decoration on the icing that's already on the cake. musicalmac

Consumers dont give a s*it what apple or any other company has to say, they buy what is best for their money. In order for apple to actually stop the samsung growth is to get the courts to agree with them!!

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Samsung's lawyers got manhandled. After learning what I have, I hope Apple can continue to separate themselves from Samsung, as they are doing with Google. And I hope Apple buries this kind of slavish copying so deep through this litigation that no other major company feels comfortable cloning Apple again.

This trial is not about the money, and Apple won a while ago. Any other sanctions against Samsung are just decoration on the icing that's already on the cake. Gambler_3

Consumers dont give a s*it what apple or any other company has to say, they buy what is best for their money. In order for apple to actually stop the samsung growth is to get the courts to agree with them!!

the only thing that i find weird in all this, is why is so hard for apple to win this "battle" when is so obvious all of samsung copies , so... patents are not really very helpful it seems

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Samsung's lawyers got manhandled. After learning what I have, I hope Apple can continue to separate themselves from Samsung, as they are doing with Google. And I hope Apple buries this kind of slavish copying so deep through this litigation that no other major company feels comfortable cloning Apple again.

This trial is not about the money, and Apple won a while ago. Any other sanctions against Samsung are just decoration on the icing that's already on the cake. Kid-Atari

Consumers dont give a s*it what apple or any other company has to say, they buy what is best for their money. In order for apple to actually stop the samsung growth is to get the courts to agree with them!!

the only thing that i find weird in all this, is why is so hard for apple to win this "battle" when is so obvious all of samsung copies , so... patents are not really very helpful it seems

christiankhs-2

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the only thing that i find weird in all this, is why is so hard for apple to win this "battle" when is so obvious all of samsung copies , so... patents are not really very helpful it seems

musicalmac

Apple is also about to copy the screen size of android phones and tablets talk about originality.

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the only thing that i find weird in all this, is why is so hard for apple to win this "battle" when is so obvious all of samsung copies , so... patents are not really very helpful it seems

Gambler_3

Apple is also about to copy the screen size of android phones and tablets talk about originality.

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"] Well, we're all about to find out how much patents like Apple holds will really mean in court, regardless of how slavishly Samsung copied them Apple's design of both the hardware and the software. Should be next week.Kid-Atari

Apple is also about to copy the screen size of android phones and tablets talk about originality.

Galaxy nexus, galaxy S2, iphone 4 and ipad 2 banned in south korea in a dual injunction imposed on both companies today.

So much for apple calling others copycats!!!

Galaxy nexus, galaxy S2, iphone 4 and ipad 2 banned in south korea in a dual injunction imposed on both companies today.

So much for apple calling others copycats!!!

Gambler_3

Apple v. Samsung jury finds Apple's patents valid, awards it nearly $1.05 billion in damages

Let the appeal battle commence!

Looks as if Samsung's legal team will have a lot of work to do to shake off something this big.

I wonder if this will have any affect on Samsung's hardware sale to Apple? As it already appears they're giving Apple the short end of the stick by launching the Exynos 5 shortly after iPhone 5.

I also found it interesting that the Galaxy Tab was found not to be infringing on Apple's iPad.

A few words from both:

Apple:

We are grateful to the jury for their service and for investing the time to listen to our story and we were thrilled to be able to finally tell it. The mountain of evidence presented during the trail showed that Samsung's copying went far deeper than even we knew. The lawsuits between Apple and Samsung were about much more than patents or money. They were about values. At Apple, we value originality and innovation and pour our lives into making the best products on earth. We make these products to delight our customers, not for our competitors to flagrantly copy. We applaud the court for finding Samsung's behavior willful and for sending a loud and clear message that stealing isn't right.

Samsung:

Today's verdict should not be viewed as a win for Apple, but as a loss for the American consumer. It will lead to fewer choices, less innovation, and potentially higher prices. It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners, or technology that is being improved every day by Samsung and other companies. Consumers have the right to choices, and they know what they are buying when they purchase Samsung products. This is not the final word in this case or in battles being waged in courts and tribunals around the world, some of which have already rejected many of Apple's claims. Samsung will continue to innovate and offer choices for the consumer

The way I see it is that both parties are in the wrong. Yes I will admit that Samsung HAS taken some stuff from apple but on the other hand apples patents are so ridiculouse that my year 2000 flip phone would be infringing on them. The patent system is broken and apple has used this to their advantage. I mean seriously they had a patent for displaying battery percentage -_-

Lol. Apple even profits from Android. Post-PC era indeed.

The way I see it is that both parties are in the wrong. Yes I will admit that Samsung HAS taken some stuff from apple but on the other hand apples patents are so ridiculouse that my year 2000 flip phone would be infringing on them. The patent system is broken and apple has used this to their advantage. I mean seriously they had a patent for displaying battery percentage -_-

killblade37

All i have to say is if they start banning handsets, good bye to technological advancements. Apple would have shot them self in the leg.mystic_knight

The way it looks right now, Apple's new iPhone 5 will launch behind right out of the gate (likely specs: quad core ARM Cortex A9 and TI PowerVR SGX 5xx).

Samsung will have Exynos 5 (ARM Cortex A15 cpu, Mali-T6xx gpu, LPDDR3 ram) in their devices before this year ends.

A rival iPhone would only be out Q3 of 2013.

[QUOTE="mystic_knight"] All i have to say is if they start banning handsets, good bye to technological advancements. Apple would have shot them self in the leg.NVIDIATI

The way it looks, right now Apple's new iPhone 5 will launch behind right out of the gate (likely specs: quad core ARM Cortex A9 and TI PowerVR SGX 5xx).

Samsung will have Exynos 5 (ARM Cortex A15 cpu, Mali-T6xx gpu, LPDDR3 ram) in their devices before this year ends.

A rival iPhone would only be out Q3 of 2013.

Well what I want to know is why apple is going after samsung and not google? it seems like apple is suing over android features so why not go for the source and go after google? and also why isnt google stepping up and helping out samsung?

A sad day for consumers all around the world who value free competition. Apple has a patent for "double tap to zoom" yes thats right. Seriously??? Good thing I dont live in the US my phones will continue to have this feature. I really hope samsung ponies up to pay royalties for this you cant just "leave" this feature out of a phone now like samsung has been doing with other things they have infringed.

I fail to understand why google are not jumping with samsung here and telling them, that samsung have just as much right to use their software design as apple did when they took things like the notification bar. mystic_knight

And what can google do? It's own galaxy nexus has been found infringing on purely software issues.

Well what I want to know is why apple is going after samsung and not google? it seems like apple is suing over android features so why not go for the source and go after google? and also why isnt google stepping up and helping out samsung?

killblade37

Google isnt some superman that is going to change the whole tide of this war. Anyways $1 billion is bearable for samsung all that matters now is how much reputation damage are they going to get from this.

Google isnt an OEM apple has gone after the galaxy nexus which is pretty much going after google.

Google isnt some superman that is going to change the whole tide of this war. Anyways $1 billion is bearable for samsung all that matters now is how much reputation damage are they going to get from this.

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Google isnt an OEM apple has gone after the galaxy nexus which is pretty much going after google.

Google isnt some superman that is going to change the whole tide of this war. Anyways $1 billion is bearable for samsung all that matters now is how much reputation damage are they going to get from this.

mystic_knight

"We wanted to make sure the message we sent was not just a slap on the wrist," {juror} Hogan said. "We wanted to make sure it was sufficiently high to be painful, but not unreasonable."

Hogan worked as an engineer for decades before he retired, and holds a patent of his own. He said jurors were able to complete their deliberations in less than three days - much faster than legal experts had predicted - because a few had engineering and legal experience, which helped with the complex issues in play.Reuters

At one point during the second day of deliberations, jurors turned off the lights in the room to settle a debate about the potential influence screen brightness might have on Apple's graphics interface. Their verdict: Apple's designs were unique.

"All of us feel we were fair, that we can stand by our verdict and that we have a clear conscience in that we were totally not biased one way or another," Hogan said.Reuters

"We found for Apple because of the evidence they presented," {juror} Ilagan said. "It was clear there was infringement."

Asked to point to some of the more compelling evidence Ilagan said:

"Well, there were several. The e-mails that went back and forth from Samsung execs about the Apple features that they should incorporate into their devices was pretty damning to me. And also, on the last day, {Apple} showed the pictures of the phones that Samsung made before the iPhone came out and ones that they made after the iPhone came out. Some of the Samsung executives they presented on video {testimony} from Korea -- I thought they were dodging the questions. They didn't answer one of them. They didn't help their cause."CNET

The real loser is Android, because no bounce-back and no tap-to-zoom will alone make the OS seem stiff and half-baked, but those were Apple's ideas. If you reverse the situation, and Samsung were the one protecting their smartphone patents, and they won in a big sweeping decision like this against Apple, I would bet all your jeers would in fact be cheers.musicalmac

Tap to zoom is an essential feature and android OEM's will simply have to pay royalty to apple which will drive up prices so ya thats sad for us.

Anyone who says this is a good thing is a fanboy or apple shareholder why? BECAUSE APPLE IS THE HIGHEST VALUED COMPANY EVER OMG WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT??????

Going forward apple has all the weapons to continue to be a force to reckon with even with android being the way it is. Apple has the,

Money - Check(more than anyone else at that)

The most supported ecosystem sofar - Check

A huge brand following - Check

Apple did not "suffer" because of android. Actually if not for android iOS will have a monopoly right now as everything else is a joke so if not having a monopoly is suffering then thats a joke. Is apple sad that they couldnt do to the mobile world what microsoft did to the computer world in terms of domination? But apple is valued so high any other tech company whats the problem? The one that might actually benefit from all this is MS. I and many android users are not buying an iphone no matter what happens!!!!

Notifications: See Mac Growl Notifications circa 2003. Grid Icons: A static screen of 9 to 12 icons is not the same as an interlocked set of multiple pages consisting of a grid of 20 icons. Kid-Atari

If it wasnt done on a touchscreen device then it wasnt done at all. Thats the way you guys defend apple innovations.

[QUOTE="Kid-Atari"]Notifications: See Mac Growl Notifications circa 2003. Grid Icons: A static screen of 9 to 12 icons is not the same as an interlocked set of multiple pages consisting of a grid of 20 icons. Gambler_3

If it wasnt done on a touchscreen device then it wasnt done at all. Thats the way you guys defend apple innovations.

Musical Mac you keep blaming samsung and android from copying yet you never blame Apple from copying, Why is that?mystic_knight

Google did apply for a patent for their notification center, which reads to me a lot like Apple building a car and trying to patent air conditioning. Don't forget:musicalmac

Google did apply for a patent for their notification center, which reads to me a lot like Apple building a car and trying to patent air conditioning. Don't forget:musicalmac

All i know and care about is the devices we end up getting. If some corporation is trying to stop that, then i believe they are the worst kind of corporation.mystic_knight

the fragmented ad portal smartphone OS with poorer software and hardware supportmusicalmac

Google responds to the outcome,

"The court of appeals will review both infringement and the validity of the patent claims. Most of these don't relate to the core Android operating system, and several are being re-examined by the US Patent Office. The mobile industry is moving fast and all players including newcomers are building upon ideas that have been around for decades. We work with our partners to give consumers innovative and affordable products, and we don't want anything to limit that."

>You have to remove your personal stake in this matter to think clearly about it.musicalmac

Whats funny is that none of the tabs were found to infringe anything and the oiriginal galaxy S wasnt a part of this case since it isnt a US product.