Favre to retire

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7...ll-it-a-career

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3276034

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:cry:

My favorite player growing up, and now he's hanging up the cleats. I'm gonna need some time to recover.

Wow I seen it coming I can undewrstand becuase he want another Ring..but his chances is slim

I bet green bay wish they had aquired moss..im sure farve woulda gave them 2-3 years

Is he retireing now? Then if it is.......

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!:cry:

Is he retireing now? Then if it is.......

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!:cry:

speedjunkie4

ya he is indeed retiring

Great HOF QB indeed. Top 5? Not a chance.

Bring on the heat.Espurs117

ya definently not top 5 but i think probably in the top 10 - 15

Great HOF QB indeed. Top 5? Not a chance.

Bring on the heat.Espurs117

Well, this is a disturbing trend... we agree again. ;)

With all due respect to Packer/Favre fans, he is NOT a Top-5 QB. Please. Give it up. Not a chance. He's somewhere between numbers 6-10 on the all-time list; perhaps #6 at best...
He only won one Title and it occured after the '1990's dominant' 49ers & Cowboys were in decline.

Follow Espurs as your guide on this one guys. Set your hearts aside momentarily and use your heads. We cannot simply pick & choose which of his (numerous) impressive stats to use as the determining criteria, nor can we just toss the record number of INTs out the window so as to stregthen the argument.

The final judgement on QB's is Championships folks. Always has been; always will be. End of story.

He was indeed a great QB, just not in the all-time top-5. Nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]Great HOF QB indeed. Top 5? Not a chance.

Bring on the heat.JackBurton

Well, this is a disturbing trend... we agree again. ;)

With all due respect to Packer/Favre fans, he is NOT a Top-5 QB. Please. Give it up. Not a chance. He's somewhere between numbers 6-10 on the all-time list; perhaps #6 at best...
He only won one Title and it occured after the '1990's dominant' 49ers & Cowboys were in decline.

Follow Espurs as your guide on this one guys. Set your hearts aside momentarily and use your heads. We cannot simply pick & choose which of his (numerous) impressive stats to use as the determining criteria, nor can we just toss the record number of INTs out the window so as to stregthen the argument.

The final judgement on QB's is Championships folks. Always has been; always will be. End of story.

He was indeed a great QB, just not in the all-time top-5. Nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]Great HOF QB indeed. Top 5? Not a chance.

Bring on the heat.JackBurton

Well, this is a disturbing trend... we agree again. ;)

With all due respect to Packer/Favre fans, he is NOT a Top-5 QB. Please. Give it up. Not a chance. He's somewhere between numbers 6-10 on the all-time list; perhaps #6 at best...
He only won one Title and it occured after the '1990's dominant' 49ers & Cowboys were in decline.

Follow Espurs as your guide on this one guys. Set your hearts aside momentarily and use your heads. We cannot simply pick & choose which of his (numerous) impressive stats to use as the determining criteria, nor can we just toss the record number of INTs out the window so as to stregthen the argument.

The final judgement on QB's is Championships folks. Always has been; always will be. End of story.

He was indeed a great QB, just not in the all-time top-5. Nothing wrong with that.

He's top three in my opinion, however I've grown up watching this guy my entire life, I know no other quarterback besides him. For me he's in my top three. bgres077

I'm curious -- Is Favre actually held in higher regard among Packer Nation than Bart Starr?? If so, wow!

I ask bc I'd have to rate Starr above Favre on the All-time list. (Starr: 5 Championships vs Favre's 1)

[QUOTE="bgres077"] He's top three in my opinion, however I've grown up watching this guy my entire life, I know no other quarterback besides him. For me he's in my top three. JackBurton

I'm curious -- Is Favre actually held in higher regard among Packer Nation than Bart Starr?? If so, wow!

I ask bc I'd have to rate Starr above Favre on the All-time list. (Starr: 5 Championships vs Favre's 1)

The generation I'm in, not seeing Starr play ranks him above Starr, however I'm not sure for the generations before that.

I know how our generation of fans nationally feel about Brett and I've only seen Bart Starr in NFL Films (just about every one that exists) and in the history books...

I meant the big picture as far as Packer Nation itself feels as a whole. The Packers have had their own Hall of Fame for years, so i thought history may have been a more important or deciding factor. Like if we began an Aikman vs Staubach debate in Cowboy Nation. As a 'historian', I'd lean toward Staubach in that argument - though I'm sure most of my and/or our generation will say Aikman.

I guess it is a generational thing, no matter where one lives, mostly.

I know how our generation of fans nationally feel about Brett and I've only seen Bart Starr in NFL Films (just about every one that exists) and in the history books...

I meant the big picture as far as Packer Nation itself feels as a whole. The Packers have had their own Hall of Fame for years, so i thought history may have been a more important or deciding factor. Like if we began an Aikman vs Staubach debate in Cowboy Nation. As a 'historian', I'd lean toward Staubach in that argument - though I'm sure most of my and/or our generation will say Aikman.

I guess it is a generational thing, no matter where one lives, mostly.

JackBurton

Absolutely, Bobbles. And I have to agree with you, Burton, that Starr was better than Favre. But still, Favre is great. He may not be top 5 (as some of you have mentioned), but I definitely believe that he is worthy of top ten... Marino, too.

Yes, he is the all-time leader in number of INTs thrown, but look at how long he has played: 17 years! In my opinion, the only person that could play that long and still have a shot at not throwing that many INTs is Peyton Manning (he has insane accuracy). And even he isn't perfect. spfx30

^ Thanks Bobbles. We're totally on same page and I was gonna post what you did almost verbatim. You saved me a bunch of stat-typing.

Favre, Marino, Unitas, Tarkenton. Each held most of the significant passing records at the time of their respective retirements. All considered to be among the "legends" of the game.

Each played (factoring time lost to injury) at least 16 full seasons. With longevity comes fat stats. Those fat stats are in some cases misinterpreted into top-5 (or top-10) greatness. Tarkenton.

The same things that made Favre great (slingin' it) also keeps off any Top-5 list consideration, imho. While he made his share of great comebacks, he kept his opponents in too many games w/ costly INTs

[QUOTE="spfx30"]Yes, he is the all-time leader in number of INTs thrown, but look at how long he has played: 17 years! In my opinion, the only person that could play that long and still have a shot at not throwing that many INTs is Peyton Manning (he has insane accuracy). And even he isn't perfect. Bobbles

I was referring to modern-era QBs, not back-in-the-day QBs. :|

[QUOTE="Bobbles"][QUOTE="spfx30"]Yes, he is the all-time leader in number of INTs thrown, but look at how long he has played: 17 years! In my opinion, the only person that could play that long and still have a shot at not throwing that many INTs is Peyton Manning (he has insane accuracy). And even he isn't perfect. spfx30

I was referring to modern-era QBs, not back-in-the-day QBs. :|

Modern Era QB's, as a result of numerous rules changes to open up the passing game(allowing for separation from CBs), are more immune to INTs than back-in-the-day QB's. That's a cold hard fact.

^Which is a result from Peyton Manning getting owned by the Pats and mainly Ty Law....which led to Manning complaining and crying....which then led to Peyton breaking the passing TD record. Can't say Pats fans can complain anymore tho, since Brady took advantage of it this year.

As a Giants fan, my feeling is somewhat mixed about his last throw. I really don't want him to end his career with that last throw (although he says it doesn't really matter). Will he come back? probably not but I would really like to see him play one more season.bloody1f4knight

[QUOTE="spfx30"]

[QUOTE="Bobbles"][QUOTE="spfx30"]Yes, he is the all-time leader in number of INTs thrown, but look at how long he has played: 17 years! In my opinion, the only person that could play that long and still have a shot at not throwing that many INTs is Peyton Manning (he has insane accuracy). And even he isn't perfect. JackBurton

I was referring to modern-era QBs, not back-in-the-day QBs. :|

Modern Era QB's, as a result of numerous rules changes to open up the passing game(allowing for separation from CBs), are more immune to INTs than back-in-the-day QB's. That's a cold hard fact.

Oh geez, you got me. :roll: Whatever. I don't understand how anyone can write Favre off simply because he's thrown more INTs than anyone else. And no, I don't think highly of Favre just because he's Favre. Frankly, I was offended when Bobbles asked me that. It was a dumb question. Period.

I like Favre and think highly of him because of what he has done for the Packers, and because of all of his accomplishments. Look, say he's not worthy of the top five if you want. I don't care. To me, he easily makes top ten. Where, exactly, in the top ten? I don't know nor care. But definitely somewhere in there.

So he's thrown more INTs. Good for him. But let's look at what else he's done, shall we? He ranks 7th on the all-time passer rating list (86.9), he ranks 7th on the top 20 leading lifetime passers list, he ranks 4th on the all-time passes completed list, he ranks 2nd on the all-time TDs thrown list, and he ranks 5th on the all-time yards passing list. Need the proof? Just go to http://www.profootballhof.com/ It's all right there.

Let's see, what else? Oh yeah: 9-time Pro Bowler, 7-time All-Pro selection, won a Super Bowl, made the NFL 1990s All-Decade team, 3-time AP NFL MVP winner, 2-time PWFA NFL MVP winner, 2-time NEA NFL MVP winner, 1995 NFL Offensive Player of the Year, 2-time Bert Bell award winner, and 2-time UPI NFC Offensive Player of the Year. Enough stats for you?

So like I said, call me dumb for thinking highly of him. I have my reasons why. He's a great QB, not the best, maybe not top five, but no one can write him off.

oh and i think she should be fired for that... and her show taken off the airB0Knows

[QUOTE="B0Knows"]oh and i think she should be fired for that... and her show taken off the airBobbles

so should don IMUS! i support what he said.

theres no protected speech if you are doing it on behalf of a private corporation. fyi. you cant say anything at work and expect to keep your job.

OMG! This HOE, Laura Ingraham evidently doesn't know much about football or athletics and has obviously never watched a retirement speech before in her life until Favre's. 98-of-100 of these guys leave the game crying. So effing what?!

"All these years, and I didn't know there was a woman quarterback in the NFL.." "Woman QB?" What?! Favre is a full-grown man! His never-to-be-broken consecutive game streak is the indisputable proof.

Among all of the things Favre could be criticized for in his career, this is most certainly not one of em.

May her next menstrual cycle be an embarrassingly messy one and last a full 28 days, non-stop!! :twisted:

I noted on Sunday that Fox News Channel commentator Laura Ingraham suggested that Packers quarterback Brett Favre shouldn't have cried at the news conference to announce his retirement.

But now I learn that what Ingraham said on Fox News Channel is tame compared to what she said on her syndicated talk show:

"All these years, and I didn't know there was a woman quarterback in the NFL. ...

"Brett Favre...we're watching this in the studio, obviously retiring from the NFL, great quarterback, handsome 38-year-old man, he gets up there and he does this press conference that was frankly one of the most embarrassing things I have ever seen."

"That's a great message for young boys. 'Get up there and act like a girl and start blubbering like a baby."

Then, in her best impersonation of a crying toddler with its favorite toy taken away, she wah-wah-wah's while uttering in a mocking tone, "It's about me, it was never about me, but it is about me, bla, bla, bla" before returning to her regular voice and stating, "I could not believe what I was seeing."

The radio station in Milwaukee that carries her program is urging her to apologize.B0Knows

Wow, she's cool. :roll:

May her next menstrual cycle be an embarrassingly messy one and last a full 28 days, non-stop!! :twisted:

JackBurton

:lol: Ouch.

And there is no "e" in ho, btw.

[QUOTE="JackBurton"]

May her next menstrual cycle be an embarrassingly messy one and last a full 28 days, non-stop!! :twisted:

wallymartin

:lol: Ouch.

And there is no "e" in ho, btw.

OMG! This HOE, Laura Ingraham evidently doesn't know much about football or athletics and has obviously never watched a retirement speech before in her life until Favre's. 98-of-100 of these guys leave the game crying. So effing what?!

"All these years, and I didn't know there was a woman quarterback in the NFL.." "Woman QB?" What?! Favre is a full-grown man! His never-to-be-broken consecutive game streak is the indisputable proof.

Among all of the things Favre could be criticized for in his career, this is most certainly not one of em.

May her next menstrual cycle be an embarrassingly messy one and last a full 28 days, non-stop!! :twisted:

JackBurton

*Nods*

[QUOTE="JackBurton"]

May her next menstrual cycle be an embarrassingly messy one and last a full 28 days, non-stop!! :twisted:

wallymartin

:lol: Ouch.

And there is no "e" in ho, btw.

[QUOTE="wallymartin"][QUOTE="JackBurton"]

May her next menstrual cycle be an embarrassingly messy one and last a full 28 days, non-stop!! :twisted:

CommanderShiro

:lol: Ouch.

And there is no "e" in ho, btw.

I see more people spelling it incorrectly than correctly, regardless of where they are from.

:) i noticed sp and grammatical errors after posting. Upon reading the orig post, Ann Coulter came to mind and was thinking as I typed my reply: "ack, these two neo-con ho's again!". I knew if edited to correct, I'd have crossed the line.. my comments would've been more harsh! These two 'women' ... :evil:

:edit:
so i was just watching Letterman, to get a glimpse of how Charlize Theron was doin - not bad at 33, but in her mid-20's she was HOT! Anyway, so i see that i've misspelled twice. Why was i thinkin ho & hoes rather than ho's :?