Kerry Collins Likely Done In Oaktown...

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#1 VanHalun040604
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Norv is leaning towards starting the untested Marques Tuiasasopo (try saying that ten-times fast) over the struggling Kerry Collins and is expected to make a decision by practice on Wednesday.  ESPN Article.

The offense, namely the passing game, is horribly underachieving to say the least.  With Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, Ronald Curry, Doug Gabriel, and Alvis Whitted, Collins shouldn't have had too many problems spreading the ball around.  But just as he did with the Giants, he's shown that no matter how much talent you may surround him with, he's still going to be the mistake-prone bum who fails to get the job done.  And I know myself--along with numerous other Raider fans--are about reading to go down to Oakland, pull a Romo, and break this guy's jaw if he's still starting by next year.  The fans are calling for Tui to get a shot, but I really don't know.  He's just a fresh face...if he does happen to be the reincarnation of Jim Plunkett, as some have said, the Raiders could be on their way up.  As many analysts have stated, they're only being held back by Kerry Collins and only Kerry Collins.  Sure, the others make some costly mistakes at times and the secondary isn't anything special....but they're a young team with unlimited potential.  Many Fantasy gurus picked Kerry Collins to be the #1 Stud for the 2005 season, but as many of us Raider fans feared, he's been nothing but an utter joke. 

And if ever I would possibly like to see Davis regress and go out and sign a seasoned and possibly washed-up veteran, it would have to be Brett Favre.  That is, of course, if Tui proves to be what I think he'll be.

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Don't count on that. If Brett Favre were to get traded from GB, the $%#& would hit the fan in Wisconsin.

It's not Brett Favre's fault that he doesn't have a talented group around him. The only player on his offense right now that he can trust is probably Donald Driver and maybe William Henderson. That's it. Once this offense gets Ahman Green, Javon Walker, and Robert Ferguson back to 100%, the offense will probably get better. That, and Samkon Gado will have a year under his belt.

Who would have thought that Samkon Gado would have a better November rushing than Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. That's ridiculous!

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#3 VanHalun040604
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I'm not saying a trade, I'm saying after the Packers release him or after he "retires."
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You think 'fumbling Favre' would be any better than collins ? hes the Tommy Maddox of the NFC. if he wasnt in green bay, he would have been on the bench a long time ago.
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You think 'fumbling Favre' would be any better than collins ? hes the Tommy Maddox of the NFC. if he wasnt in green bay, he would have been on the bench a long time ago. yamabushi98

You're telling Vanhalun that?  Kinda preachin to the choir there, man.

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[QUOTE="yamabushi98"]You think 'fumbling Favre' would be any better than collins ? hes the Tommy Maddox of the NFC. if he wasnt in green bay, he would have been on the bench a long time ago. wallymartin

You're telling Vanhalun that?  Kinda preachin to the choir there, man.

Maybe that nickname fits....but "washed-up" bum QBs have a history of reviving their glory days in Oakland.

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[QUOTE="wallymartin"]

[QUOTE="yamabushi98"]You think 'fumbling Favre' would be any better than collins ? hes the Tommy Maddox of the NFC. if he wasnt in green bay, he would have been on the bench a long time ago. VanHalun040604

You're telling Vanhalun that?  Kinda preachin to the choir there, man.

Maybe that nickname fits....but "washed-up" bum QBs have a history of reviving their glory days in Oakland.

:P I guess it takes a washed up owner to revive a washed up QB :P

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I too and disappointed with Collins. I mean with 16 TDs I believe, thats sad..that 16 should be to Moss! But thats to all his WRs, pathetic. I predicted he wuld get at least 25, but guess not, he sucks. Use some dough and buy a DECENT QB with talent, not a wash up with a strong arm.
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#9 JohnPraser
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He already is done.

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Yeah, I see Tuisasaippaiapaio? is already starting for them. It seemed as though he didn't do any better. I can't believe the Jets spanked them like that. Man, they suck!
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Favre is still not that bad just because he has no weapons around him. And he would never leave Green Bay.
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Yeah, I see Tuisasaippaiapaio? is already starting for them. It seemed as though he didn't do any better. I can't believe the Jets spanked them like that. Man, they suck!Toucanbird

TuiASSasopo sucks harder than Collins.  It's just that simple.  They're gonna give rookie QB Andrew Walter out of Arizona State a go before the season's over, though.  I think it's pretty obvious that they're basically throwing games on purpose.  I'm almost positive that Al's gonna try and trade up in the Draft to get Leinhart.  He would look good as a Raider.

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Favre is still not that bad just because he has no weapons around him. And he would never leave Green Bay.thetombradyhate

You mean like Jerry Rice--probably the greatest all-around player in NFL history--would never leave San Francisco?  :roll:

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yeah i think the raiders picking leinart would be a solid pick for them, hopefully moss wont get hurt next year cuz if he does its gonna be a rough year for leinart next year
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yeah i think the raiders picking leinart would be a solid pick for them, hopefully moss wont get hurt next year cuz if he does its gonna be a rough year for leinart next yearEspurs117

Nah....He'd still have Jerry Porter, Ronald Curry, Doug Gabriel, and Alvis Whitted even if Moss did get hurt next year.  The only reason he's continued to play through his injuries is because he wants to prove to the Vikings that they ****ed when the got rid of him for Napoleon Harris and a pointless first round pick.

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UPDATE:  He's starting against the Browns this Sunday....:?
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UPDATE:  He's starting against the Browns this Sunday....:?VanHalun040604

:lol: Yeah, but I wouldn't worry too much...I mean...you're playing the freakin' Browns. :P

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[QUOTE="VanHalun040604"]UPDATE:  He's starting against the Browns this Sunday....:?Toucanbird

:lol: Yeah, but I wouldn't worry too much...I mean...you're playing the freakin' Browns. :P

I'm glad they are, because they're gonna looooseeee!  *crosses fingers for Linehart or QB trade/free agency acquisition*

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Hmm maybe Billy Volek?? He has proven himself and is young. As a Raiders fan I would be afraid to draft a QB high like that, because the chance of being a major money flop outweighs the need.
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Hmm maybe Billy Volek?? He has proven himself and is young. As a Raiders fan I would be afraid to draft a QB high like that, because the chance of being a major money flop outweighs the need. EscoDaddy14

Ummm...No.  He's 32.  And he sucks.  I've heard rumors of a Daunte Cullpepper trade, but the best option would be Matt Leinhart.  He won't dissapoint.  And we're in desperate need of one.  It's the only position holding us back.

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[QUOTE="EscoDaddy14"]Hmm maybe Billy Volek?? He has proven himself and is young. As a Raiders fan I would be afraid to draft a QB high like that, because the chance of being a major money flop outweighs the need. VanHalun040604

Ummm...No.  He's 32.  And he sucks.  I've heard rumors of a Daunte Cullpepper trade, but the best option would be Matt Leinhart.  He won't dissapoint.  And we're in desperate need of one.  It's the only position holding us back.

Especially since Kerry Collins is looking like the interception king next to Favre.

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#22 VanHalun040604
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[QUOTE="VanHalun040604"]

[QUOTE="EscoDaddy14"]Hmm maybe Billy Volek?? He has proven himself and is young. As a Raiders fan I would be afraid to draft a QB high like that, because the chance of being a major money flop outweighs the need. JohnPraser

Ummm...No.  He's 32.  And he sucks.  I've heard rumors of a Daunte Cullpepper trade, but the best option would be Matt Leinhart.  He won't dissapoint.  And we're in desperate need of one.  It's the only position holding us back.

Especially since Kerry Collins is looking like the interception king next to Favre.

He lost it again today.  LaMont had over 130 yards rushing, but he only managed one TD throw to Randy and couldn't get the ball to anyone else all day.

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Well actually Volek is only 29, but thats ok. Besides the Raiders are known for taken veteran QB's and makn em work. I think Volek could work, you just never know because who would have thought Gannon could do anything, but he did? From what has happened in the past, I dont think Al Davis would risk Leinart, besides he wont slip that far in the draft
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Well actually Volek is only 29, but thats ok. Besides the Raiders are known for taken veteran QB's and makn em work. I think Volek could work, you just never know because who would have thought Gannon could do anything, but he did? From what has happened in the past, I dont think Al Davis would risk Leinart, besides he wont slip that far in the draft EscoDaddy14

Gannon was a starter in KC.  Volek has never been given a starting role in one entire season before.  There are so many other and better options....Billy Volek has to be one of the last.