Tampa Bay Buccaneers Discussion

Looks to be a rebuilding year for the Bucs this season. I'm guessing 4 to 6 wins.

Could be another season where they keep rotating QB's each week depending on perfomances. Bright spot is with Ward he could be able to carry the offense for 1 to 2 wins.

im a bucs fan and im not expecting a great year...i really hope for an 8-8 season but its not likely

i know that josh freeman is not ready to be the starter but i think they should throw him out there at least by mid season since the bucs are gonna have a great RB duo with derrick ward and Earnest Graham...and hopefully if hes not injured cadillac can get a few carries too...to me that a pretty dangerous running game and the bucs can win games with it

 the defense should be interesting too since they are moving away from the tampa 2...i wish they werent but expect youngins like aqid talib and sabby piscitelli and gaines adams to step it up

4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. Espurs117

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

Should have never let gruden smug people.

7- 9

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. chAzN93

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

they all say that, their very ignorant. just listen to all the media and critics this season. ESPN said we have the best chance to go 0-16-0 this season.

bucs have a good thing going for them. they got a new ZBS installed into their offense AND they finally got a reall offensive coordinator that actually calls plays(in the gruden era, chucky did all the playcalling) and this new offensevive coordinator is known for running the ball heavy AND with the addition of Derrick Ward and a returning Earnest Graham we should have a good run game. on top of that i doubt Freeman starts, its more Likely Mccown who is capable of making plays will start and since we got Bryant and Winslow, a lot of teams should respect our passing game.

on defense we got a huge change to the LB core. Ruud is coming back as the starter at MLB. and Jermaine Phillips is moving to the weakside LB spot(yes the SS Jermaine Phillips) and at the last LB spot its an all out war between Angello Crowell,Geno Hayes, and Quincy Black. As far as DB's go we got better. We let go of Phillip Buchanon because Aqib Talib is ready for the starting job so he will be our starter opposite of Ronde Barber. We still got our stud Tanard Jackson returning at the FS spot and at SS will be Jermiane's replacement Sabby Piscatteli who also makes plays and would start for more than half the NFL teams last season.

On the special teams we got someone you all know him by "guy who got owned by cowboys punter" or Clifton Smith who is a pro bowl returner and i look for him to get back to the pro bowl a second time

overall this can be the greatest thing ever to happen to this team OR a huge dissaster. this season we got the element of surprise. i mean seriously, come into week 1 what film are the cowboys going to watch on us when preparing for us? we got a all new coordinators, a new headcoach and a new GM. i guess they can watch our preseason film but teams hardly ever run their reall offense in pre-season, i remember last season bucs got into fullhouse formation almost every down in pre-season and when the real season came they ran the fullhouse 3 times out of the whole season. so like i said i dont know how the boys will prepare for us coming into week 1.

i see somewhere between 3-9 wins this season

3 obvisouly the worst and 9 the best

f*ck u espurs

[QUOTE="chAzN93"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. Ryder004

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

they all say that, their very ignorant. just listen to all the media and critics this season. ESPN said we have the best chance to go 0-16-0 this season.

bucs have a good thing going for them. they got a new ZBS installed into their offense AND they finally got a reall offensive coordinator that actually calls plays(in the gruden era, chucky did all the playcalling) and this new offensevive coordinator is known for running the ball heavy AND with the addition of Derrick Ward and a returning Earnest Graham we should have a good run game. on top of that i doubt Freeman starts, its more Likely Mccown who is capable of making plays will start and since we got Bryant and Winslow, a lot of teams should respect our passing game.

on defense we got a huge change to the LB core. Ruud is coming back as the starter at MLB. and Jermaine Phillips is moving to the weakside LB spot(yes the SS Jermaine Phillips) and at the last LB spot its an all out war between Angello Crowell,Geno Hayes, and Quincy Black. As far as DB's go we got better. We let go of Phillip Buchanon because Aqib Talib is ready for the starting job so he will be our starter opposite of Ronde Barber. We still got our stud Tanard Jackson returning at the FS spot and at SS will be Jermiane's replacement Sabby Piscatteli who also makes plays and would start for more than half the NFL teams last season.

On the special teams we got someone you all know him by "guy who got owned by cowboys punter" or Clifton Smith who is a pro bowl returner and i look for him to get back to the pro bowl a second time

overall this can be the greatest thing ever to happen to this team OR a huge dissaster. this season we got the element of surprise. i mean seriously, come into week 1 what film are the cowboys going to watch on us when preparing for us? we got a all new coordinators, a new headcoach and a new GM. i guess they can watch our preseason film but teams hardly ever run their reall offense in pre-season, i remember last season bucs got into fullhouse formation almost every down in pre-season and when the real season came they ran the fullhouse 3 times out of the whole season. so like i said i dont know how the boys will prepare for us coming into week 1.

i see somewhere between 3-9 wins this season

3 obvisouly the worst and 9 the best

f*ck u espurs

Uncalled for. You are very mean and rude!

[QUOTE="chAzN93"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. Ryder004

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

they all say that, their very ignorant. just listen to all the media and critics this season. ESPN said we have the best chance to go 0-16-0 this season.

bucs have a good thing going for them. they got a new ZBS installed into their offense AND they finally got a reall offensive coordinator that actually calls plays(in the gruden era, chucky did all the playcalling) and this new offensevive coordinator is known for running the ball heavy AND with the addition of Derrick Ward and a returning Earnest Graham we should have a good run game. on top of that i doubt Freeman starts, its more Likely Mccown who is capable of making plays will start and since we got Bryant and Winslow, a lot of teams should respect our passing game.

on defense we got a huge change to the LB core. Ruud is coming back as the starter at MLB. and Jermaine Phillips is moving to the weakside LB spot(yes the SS Jermaine Phillips) and at the last LB spot its an all out war between Angello Crowell,Geno Hayes, and Quincy Black. As far as DB's go we got better. We let go of Phillip Buchanon because Aqib Talib is ready for the starting job so he will be our starter opposite of Ronde Barber. We still got our stud Tanard Jackson returning at the FS spot and at SS will be Jermiane's replacement Sabby Piscatteli who also makes plays and would start for more than half the NFL teams last season.

On the special teams we got someone you all know him by "guy who got owned by cowboys punter" or Clifton Smith who is a pro bowl returner and i look for him to get back to the pro bowl a second time

overall this can be the greatest thing ever to happen to this team OR a huge dissaster. this season we got the element of surprise. i mean seriously, come into week 1 what film are the cowboys going to watch on us when preparing for us? we got a all new coordinators, a new headcoach and a new GM. i guess they can watch our preseason film but teams hardly ever run their reall offense in pre-season, i remember last season bucs got into fullhouse formation almost every down in pre-season and when the real season came they ran the fullhouse 3 times out of the whole season. so like i said i dont know how the boys will prepare for us coming into week 1.

i see somewhere between 3-9 wins this season

3 obvisouly the worst and 9 the best

f*ck u espurs

Don't get too excited about the ZBS it didn't work out that well for the Pack 

[QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="chAzN93"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. thetombradyhate

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

they all say that, their very ignorant. just listen to all the media and critics this season. ESPN said we have the best chance to go 0-16-0 this season.

bucs have a good thing going for them. they got a new ZBS installed into their offense AND they finally got a reall offensive coordinator that actually calls plays(in the gruden era, chucky did all the playcalling) and this new offensevive coordinator is known for running the ball heavy AND with the addition of Derrick Ward and a returning Earnest Graham we should have a good run game. on top of that i doubt Freeman starts, its more Likely Mccown who is capable of making plays will start and since we got Bryant and Winslow, a lot of teams should respect our passing game.

on defense we got a huge change to the LB core. Ruud is coming back as the starter at MLB. and Jermaine Phillips is moving to the weakside LB spot(yes the SS Jermaine Phillips) and at the last LB spot its an all out war between Angello Crowell,Geno Hayes, and Quincy Black. As far as DB's go we got better. We let go of Phillip Buchanon because Aqib Talib is ready for the starting job so he will be our starter opposite of Ronde Barber. We still got our stud Tanard Jackson returning at the FS spot and at SS will be Jermiane's replacement Sabby Piscatteli who also makes plays and would start for more than half the NFL teams last season.

On the special teams we got someone you all know him by "guy who got owned by cowboys punter" or Clifton Smith who is a pro bowl returner and i look for him to get back to the pro bowl a second time

overall this can be the greatest thing ever to happen to this team OR a huge dissaster. this season we got the element of surprise. i mean seriously, come into week 1 what film are the cowboys going to watch on us when preparing for us? we got a all new coordinators, a new headcoach and a new GM. i guess they can watch our preseason film but teams hardly ever run their reall offense in pre-season, i remember last season bucs got into fullhouse formation almost every down in pre-season and when the real season came they ran the fullhouse 3 times out of the whole season. so like i said i dont know how the boys will prepare for us coming into week 1.

i see somewhere between 3-9 wins this season

3 obvisouly the worst and 9 the best

f*ck u espurs

Don't get too excited about the ZBS it didn't work out that well for the Pack 

just so u know our coodrinator is the same guy who took the packers rushing attack from #30 to #23 in 2006;)

and we got a better o-line and better backs than the 06 packers.

[QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="chAzN93"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. Ryder004

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

they all say that, their very ignorant. just listen to all the media and critics this season. ESPN said we have the best chance to go 0-16-0 this season.

bucs have a good thing going for them. they got a new ZBS installed into their offense AND they finally got a reall offensive coordinator that actually calls plays(in the gruden era, chucky did all the playcalling) and this new offensevive coordinator is known for running the ball heavy AND with the addition of Derrick Ward and a returning Earnest Graham we should have a good run game. on top of that i doubt Freeman starts, its more Likely Mccown who is capable of making plays will start and since we got Bryant and Winslow, a lot of teams should respect our passing game.

on defense we got a huge change to the LB core. Ruud is coming back as the starter at MLB. and Jermaine Phillips is moving to the weakside LB spot(yes the SS Jermaine Phillips) and at the last LB spot its an all out war between Angello Crowell,Geno Hayes, and Quincy Black. As far as DB's go we got better. We let go of Phillip Buchanon because Aqib Talib is ready for the starting job so he will be our starter opposite of Ronde Barber. We still got our stud Tanard Jackson returning at the FS spot and at SS will be Jermiane's replacement Sabby Piscatteli who also makes plays and would start for more than half the NFL teams last season.

On the special teams we got someone you all know him by "guy who got owned by cowboys punter" or Clifton Smith who is a pro bowl returner and i look for him to get back to the pro bowl a second time

overall this can be the greatest thing ever to happen to this team OR a huge dissaster. this season we got the element of surprise. i mean seriously, come into week 1 what film are the cowboys going to watch on us when preparing for us? we got a all new coordinators, a new headcoach and a new GM. i guess they can watch our preseason film but teams hardly ever run their reall offense in pre-season, i remember last season bucs got into fullhouse formation almost every down in pre-season and when the real season came they ran the fullhouse 3 times out of the whole season. so like i said i dont know how the boys will prepare for us coming into week 1.

i see somewhere between 3-9 wins this season

3 obvisouly the worst and 9 the best

f*ck u espurs

Don't get too excited about the ZBS it didn't work out that well for the Pack 

just so u know our coodrinator is the same guy who took the packers rushing attack from #30 to #23 in 2006;)

and we got a better o-line and better backs than the 06 packers.

First probably the largest reason for the jump was the fact that Ahman Green was hurt for most of 05 and he wasn't in 06.

Second the Bucs don't have a better line/backs now than the pack did then, as I said we still have Ahman who was definitely better then Graham/Ward are now. The Oline was solid this was back in CLifton and Tausher's prime not the decomposed state they are in now (Tausher isn't even on the roster).

Third are running game has been inconstant and underwhelming pretty much every year since and because of that we have been slowly shifting away from the ZBS, and back to larger linemen

[QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="chAzN93"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. thetombradyhate

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

they all say that, their very ignorant. just listen to all the media and critics this season. ESPN said we have the best chance to go 0-16-0 this season.

bucs have a good thing going for them. they got a new ZBS installed into their offense AND they finally got a reall offensive coordinator that actually calls plays(in the gruden era, chucky did all the playcalling) and this new offensevive coordinator is known for running the ball heavy AND with the addition of Derrick Ward and a returning Earnest Graham we should have a good run game. on top of that i doubt Freeman starts, its more Likely Mccown who is capable of making plays will start and since we got Bryant and Winslow, a lot of teams should respect our passing game.

on defense we got a huge change to the LB core. Ruud is coming back as the starter at MLB. and Jermaine Phillips is moving to the weakside LB spot(yes the SS Jermaine Phillips) and at the last LB spot its an all out war between Angello Crowell,Geno Hayes, and Quincy Black. As far as DB's go we got better. We let go of Phillip Buchanon because Aqib Talib is ready for the starting job so he will be our starter opposite of Ronde Barber. We still got our stud Tanard Jackson returning at the FS spot and at SS will be Jermiane's replacement Sabby Piscatteli who also makes plays and would start for more than half the NFL teams last season.

On the special teams we got someone you all know him by "guy who got owned by cowboys punter" or Clifton Smith who is a pro bowl returner and i look for him to get back to the pro bowl a second time

overall this can be the greatest thing ever to happen to this team OR a huge dissaster. this season we got the element of surprise. i mean seriously, come into week 1 what film are the cowboys going to watch on us when preparing for us? we got a all new coordinators, a new headcoach and a new GM. i guess they can watch our preseason film but teams hardly ever run their reall offense in pre-season, i remember last season bucs got into fullhouse formation almost every down in pre-season and when the real season came they ran the fullhouse 3 times out of the whole season. so like i said i dont know how the boys will prepare for us coming into week 1.

i see somewhere between 3-9 wins this season

3 obvisouly the worst and 9 the best

f*ck u espurs

Don't get too excited about the ZBS it didn't work out that well for the Pack 

just so u know our coodrinator is the same guy who took the packers rushing attack from #30 to #23 in 2006;)

and we got a better o-line and better backs than the 06 packers.

First probably the largest reason for the jump was the fact that Ahman Green was hurt for most of 05 and he wasn't in 06.

Second the Bucs don't have a better line/backs now than the pack did then, as I said we still have Ahman who was definitely better then Graham/Ward are now. The Oline was solid this was back in CLifton and Tausher's prime not the decomposed state they are in now (Tausher isn't even on the roster).

Third are running game has been inconstant and underwhelming pretty much every year since and because of that we have been slowly shifting away from the ZBS, and back to larger linemen

:lol: 

Well I can't see them being a better team than the were last year (which was only ok) all things considered and actually I could see them as worse because of it. New coach, new QB, thats not usually a good combo. So yeah they could seriously be the worst in thier division this season.

[QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="chAzN93"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. Ryder004

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

they all say that, their very ignorant. just listen to all the media and critics this season. ESPN said we have the best chance to go 0-16-0 this season.

bucs have a good thing going for them. they got a new ZBS installed into their offense AND they finally got a reall offensive coordinator that actually calls plays(in the gruden era, chucky did all the playcalling) and this new offensevive coordinator is known for running the ball heavy AND with the addition of Derrick Ward and a returning Earnest Graham we should have a good run game. on top of that i doubt Freeman starts, its more Likely Mccown who is capable of making plays will start and since we got Bryant and Winslow, a lot of teams should respect our passing game.

on defense we got a huge change to the LB core. Ruud is coming back as the starter at MLB. and Jermaine Phillips is moving to the weakside LB spot(yes the SS Jermaine Phillips) and at the last LB spot its an all out war between Angello Crowell,Geno Hayes, and Quincy Black. As far as DB's go we got better. We let go of Phillip Buchanon because Aqib Talib is ready for the starting job so he will be our starter opposite of Ronde Barber. We still got our stud Tanard Jackson returning at the FS spot and at SS will be Jermiane's replacement Sabby Piscatteli who also makes plays and would start for more than half the NFL teams last season.

On the special teams we got someone you all know him by "guy who got owned by cowboys punter" or Clifton Smith who is a pro bowl returner and i look for him to get back to the pro bowl a second time

overall this can be the greatest thing ever to happen to this team OR a huge dissaster. this season we got the element of surprise. i mean seriously, come into week 1 what film are the cowboys going to watch on us when preparing for us? we got a all new coordinators, a new headcoach and a new GM. i guess they can watch our preseason film but teams hardly ever run their reall offense in pre-season, i remember last season bucs got into fullhouse formation almost every down in pre-season and when the real season came they ran the fullhouse 3 times out of the whole season. so like i said i dont know how the boys will prepare for us coming into week 1.

i see somewhere between 3-9 wins this season

3 obvisouly the worst and 9 the best

f*ck u espurs

Don't get too excited about the ZBS it didn't work out that well for the Pack 

just so u know our coodrinator is the same guy who took the packers rushing attack from #30 to #23 in 2006;)

and we got a better o-line and better backs than the 06 packers.

First probably the largest reason for the jump was the fact that Ahman Green was hurt for most of 05 and he wasn't in 06.

Second the Bucs don't have a better line/backs now than the pack did then, as I said we still have Ahman who was definitely better then Graham/Ward are now. The Oline was solid this was back in CLifton and Tausher's prime not the decomposed state they are in now (Tausher isn't even on the roster).

Third are running game has been inconstant and underwhelming pretty much every year since and because of that we have been slowly shifting away from the ZBS, and back to larger linemen

:lol: 

Lets do a little tally:

1000 yard seasons: Green 6, Ward and Graham 1

7+ TD seasons: Green  4, Ward and Graham 1

Pro Bowls: Green 4, Ward and Graham 0

All Pro's: Green 2, Ward and Graham 0

Back then Green was clearly better than Ward and Graham.

Honestly I don't know that much about the Bucs oline so I'm kind of assuming its average, I don't know of any great linemen on there line. As I  said the Packers oline had Clifton and Taush in their primes so the Pack had a pretty good/above average line back then 

[QUOTE="chAzN93"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. Ryder004

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

on defense we got a huge change to the LB core. Ruud is coming back as the starter at MLB. and Jermaine Phillips is moving to the weakside LB spot(yes the SS Jermaine Phillips) and at the last LB spot its an all out war between Angello Crowell,Geno Hayes, and Quincy Black. As far as DB's go we got better. We let go of Phillip Buchanon because Aqib Talib is ready for the starting job so he will be our starter opposite of Ronde Barber. We still got our stud Tanard Jackson returning at the FS spot and at SS will be Jermiane's replacement Sabby Piscatteli who also makes plays and would start for more than half the NFL teams last season.

phillips will be fine at weakside

and angelo crowell will easily win the job

im just worried about the Dline 

[QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="chAzN93"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. thetombradyhate

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

they all say that, their very ignorant. just listen to all the media and critics this season. ESPN said we have the best chance to go 0-16-0 this season.

bucs have a good thing going for them. they got a new ZBS installed into their offense AND they finally got a reall offensive coordinator that actually calls plays(in the gruden era, chucky did all the playcalling) and this new offensevive coordinator is known for running the ball heavy AND with the addition of Derrick Ward and a returning Earnest Graham we should have a good run game. on top of that i doubt Freeman starts, its more Likely Mccown who is capable of making plays will start and since we got Bryant and Winslow, a lot of teams should respect our passing game.

on defense we got a huge change to the LB core. Ruud is coming back as the starter at MLB. and Jermaine Phillips is moving to the weakside LB spot(yes the SS Jermaine Phillips) and at the last LB spot its an all out war between Angello Crowell,Geno Hayes, and Quincy Black. As far as DB's go we got better. We let go of Phillip Buchanon because Aqib Talib is ready for the starting job so he will be our starter opposite of Ronde Barber. We still got our stud Tanard Jackson returning at the FS spot and at SS will be Jermiane's replacement Sabby Piscatteli who also makes plays and would start for more than half the NFL teams last season.

On the special teams we got someone you all know him by "guy who got owned by cowboys punter" or Clifton Smith who is a pro bowl returner and i look for him to get back to the pro bowl a second time

overall this can be the greatest thing ever to happen to this team OR a huge dissaster. this season we got the element of surprise. i mean seriously, come into week 1 what film are the cowboys going to watch on us when preparing for us? we got a all new coordinators, a new headcoach and a new GM. i guess they can watch our preseason film but teams hardly ever run their reall offense in pre-season, i remember last season bucs got into fullhouse formation almost every down in pre-season and when the real season came they ran the fullhouse 3 times out of the whole season. so like i said i dont know how the boys will prepare for us coming into week 1.

i see somewhere between 3-9 wins this season

3 obvisouly the worst and 9 the best

f*ck u espurs

Don't get too excited about the ZBS it didn't work out that well for the Pack 

just so u know our coodrinator is the same guy who took the packers rushing attack from #30 to #23 in 2006;)

and we got a better o-line and better backs than the 06 packers.

First probably the largest reason for the jump was the fact that Ahman Green was hurt for most of 05 and he wasn't in 06.

Second the Bucs don't have a better line/backs now than the pack did then, as I said we still have Ahman who was definitely better then Graham/Ward are now. The Oline was solid this was back in CLifton and Tausher's prime not the decomposed state they are in now (Tausher isn't even on the roster).

Third are running game has been inconstant and underwhelming pretty much every year since and because of that we have been slowly shifting away from the ZBS, and back to larger linemen

:lol: 

Lets do a little tally:

1000 yard seasons: Green 6, Ward and Graham 1

7+ TD seasons: Green  4, Ward and Graham 1

Pro Bowls: Green 4, Ward and Graham 0

All Pro's: Green 2, Ward and Graham 0

Back then Green was clearly better than Ward and Graham.

Honestly I don't know that much about the Bucs oline so I'm kind of assuming its average, I don't know of any great linemen on there line. As I  said the Packers oline had Clifton and Taush in their primes so the Pack had a pretty good/above average line back then 

dude were counting 1 year of stats.

you counting whole careers when you gota remember that graham was on the practice squad for his whole career up untill 2 seasons ago and ward was a backup his whole life.......

[QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="chAzN93"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. Ryder004

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

they all say that, their very ignorant. just listen to all the media and critics this season. ESPN said we have the best chance to go 0-16-0 this season.

bucs have a good thing going for them. they got a new ZBS installed into their offense AND they finally got a reall offensive coordinator that actually calls plays(in the gruden era, chucky did all the playcalling) and this new offensevive coordinator is known for running the ball heavy AND with the addition of Derrick Ward and a returning Earnest Graham we should have a good run game. on top of that i doubt Freeman starts, its more Likely Mccown who is capable of making plays will start and since we got Bryant and Winslow, a lot of teams should respect our passing game.

on defense we got a huge change to the LB core. Ruud is coming back as the starter at MLB. and Jermaine Phillips is moving to the weakside LB spot(yes the SS Jermaine Phillips) and at the last LB spot its an all out war between Angello Crowell,Geno Hayes, and Quincy Black. As far as DB's go we got better. We let go of Phillip Buchanon because Aqib Talib is ready for the starting job so he will be our starter opposite of Ronde Barber. We still got our stud Tanard Jackson returning at the FS spot and at SS will be Jermiane's replacement Sabby Piscatteli who also makes plays and would start for more than half the NFL teams last season.

On the special teams we got someone you all know him by "guy who got owned by cowboys punter" or Clifton Smith who is a pro bowl returner and i look for him to get back to the pro bowl a second time

overall this can be the greatest thing ever to happen to this team OR a huge dissaster. this season we got the element of surprise. i mean seriously, come into week 1 what film are the cowboys going to watch on us when preparing for us? we got a all new coordinators, a new headcoach and a new GM. i guess they can watch our preseason film but teams hardly ever run their reall offense in pre-season, i remember last season bucs got into fullhouse formation almost every down in pre-season and when the real season came they ran the fullhouse 3 times out of the whole season. so like i said i dont know how the boys will prepare for us coming into week 1.

i see somewhere between 3-9 wins this season

3 obvisouly the worst and 9 the best

f*ck u espurs

Don't get too excited about the ZBS it didn't work out that well for the Pack 

just so u know our coodrinator is the same guy who took the packers rushing attack from #30 to #23 in 2006;)

and we got a better o-line and better backs than the 06 packers.

First probably the largest reason for the jump was the fact that Ahman Green was hurt for most of 05 and he wasn't in 06.

Second the Bucs don't have a better line/backs now than the pack did then, as I said we still have Ahman who was definitely better then Graham/Ward are now. The Oline was solid this was back in CLifton and Tausher's prime not the decomposed state they are in now (Tausher isn't even on the roster).

Third are running game has been inconstant and underwhelming pretty much every year since and because of that we have been slowly shifting away from the ZBS, and back to larger linemen

:lol: 

Lets do a little tally:

1000 yard seasons: Green 6, Ward and Graham 1

7+ TD seasons: Green  4, Ward and Graham 1

Pro Bowls: Green 4, Ward and Graham 0

All Pro's: Green 2, Ward and Graham 0

Back then Green was clearly better than Ward and Graham.

Honestly I don't know that much about the Bucs oline so I'm kind of assuming its average, I don't know of any great linemen on there line. As I  said the Packers oline had Clifton and Taush in their primes so the Pack had a pretty good/above average line back then 

dude were counting 1 year of stats.

you counting whole careers when you gota remember that graham was on the practice squad for his whole career up untill 2 seasons ago and ward was a backup his whole life.......

They were probably on the PS/backups because they're average backs. Ahman Green year in 06, a year in which he didn't play in 2 games, and was truly his last good year still netted him a better year then Graham or Ward have ever had.  

[QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="chAzN93"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]4 wins. Ryder will come and quote me on this and get sad over my next sentence. Team is garbage/old and wont do crap. Brad Johnson>Bucs. thetombradyhate

you just said that the team is old? are you serious?

they all say that, their very ignorant. just listen to all the media and critics this season. ESPN said we have the best chance to go 0-16-0 this season.

bucs have a good thing going for them. they got a new ZBS installed into their offense AND they finally got a reall offensive coordinator that actually calls plays(in the gruden era, chucky did all the playcalling) and this new offensevive coordinator is known for running the ball heavy AND with the addition of Derrick Ward and a returning Earnest Graham we should have a good run game. on top of that i doubt Freeman starts, its more Likely Mccown who is capable of making plays will start and since we got Bryant and Winslow, a lot of teams should respect our passing game.

on defense we got a huge change to the LB core. Ruud is coming back as the starter at MLB. and Jermaine Phillips is moving to the weakside LB spot(yes the SS Jermaine Phillips) and at the last LB spot its an all out war between Angello Crowell,Geno Hayes, and Quincy Black. As far as DB's go we got better. We let go of Phillip Buchanon because Aqib Talib is ready for the starting job so he will be our starter opposite of Ronde Barber. We still got our stud Tanard Jackson returning at the FS spot and at SS will be Jermiane's replacement Sabby Piscatteli who also makes plays and would start for more than half the NFL teams last season.

On the special teams we got someone you all know him by "guy who got owned by cowboys punter" or Clifton Smith who is a pro bowl returner and i look for him to get back to the pro bowl a second time

overall this can be the greatest thing ever to happen to this team OR a huge dissaster. this season we got the element of surprise. i mean seriously, come into week 1 what film are the cowboys going to watch on us when preparing for us? we got a all new coordinators, a new headcoach and a new GM. i guess they can watch our preseason film but teams hardly ever run their reall offense in pre-season, i remember last season bucs got into fullhouse formation almost every down in pre-season and when the real season came they ran the fullhouse 3 times out of the whole season. so like i said i dont know how the boys will prepare for us coming into week 1.

i see somewhere between 3-9 wins this season

3 obvisouly the worst and 9 the best

f*ck u espurs

Don't get too excited about the ZBS it didn't work out that well for the Pack 

just so u know our coodrinator is the same guy who took the packers rushing attack from #30 to #23 in 2006;)

and we got a better o-line and better backs than the 06 packers.

First probably the largest reason for the jump was the fact that Ahman Green was hurt for most of 05 and he wasn't in 06.

Second the Bucs don't have a better line/backs now than the pack did then, as I said we still have Ahman who was definitely better then Graham/Ward are now. The Oline was solid this was back in CLifton and Tausher's prime not the decomposed state they are in now (Tausher isn't even on the roster).

Third are running game has been inconstant and underwhelming pretty much every year since and because of that we have been slowly shifting away from the ZBS, and back to larger linemen

:lol: 

Lets do a little tally:

1000 yard seasons: Green 6, Ward and Graham 1

7+ TD seasons: Green  4, Ward and Graham 1

Pro Bowls: Green 4, Ward and Graham 0

All Pro's: Green 2, Ward and Graham 0

Back then Green was clearly better than Ward and Graham.

Honestly I don't know that much about the Bucs oline so I'm kind of assuming its average, I don't know of any great linemen on there line. As I  said the Packers oline had Clifton and Taush in their primes so the Pack had a pretty good/above average line back then 

dude were counting 1 year of stats.

you counting whole careers when you gota remember that graham was on the practice squad for his whole career up untill 2 seasons ago and ward was a backup his whole life.......

They were probably on the PS/backups because they're average backs. Ahman Green year in 06, a year in which he didn't play in 2 games, and was truly his last good year still netted him a better year then Graham or Ward have ever had.  

really?

because ward had  1025 yards last year on just 182 carries.

green had 1059 yards on 266 carries...

and graham was injured last season thats why he only had 563 yards because he was injured before the season was half over. and the year before that he had 898 yards..............and he didnt start untill week 6!!!!!!

Really Ahman Green's worst year as a starter, the one we are referring to is more balanced then any year they had. Ward was a change of pace, the 2nd string, and they normally have a much higher YPA because they are fresher and often are catching the D off guard to some degree.

For Example: Ryan Grant 3.9 YPA, 5.5

Marion Barber 3.7 YPA, Felix Jones 8.9, even Tashard Choice had a 5.1

You notice Marion Barber's YPA dropped from 4.8 two and three years ago to 3.7 last year when he became the starter

Marshawn Lynch 4.1, Fred Jackson 4.4

LT 3.8, Darren Sproles 5.4

Michael turner 4.5, Jerious Norwood 5.1

Plus last year Ward was playing behind one of the top olines in football (arguably the best) and Tampa doesn't exactly have that

And on Graham, your just like Espurs, being injured doesn't get you a get out of free card. Fact: Graham has never had a 1000 yard season. Cullen Jenkins had 2.5 sacks through 4 games last year and its not like I go around saying oh he was on pace for a double digit sack season so thats just as good as having one

Really Ahman Green's worst year as a starter, the one we are referring to is more balanced then any year they had. Ward was a change of pace, the 2nd string, and they normally have a much higher YPA because they are fresher and often are catching the D off guard to some degree.

For Example: Ryan Grant 3.9 YPA, 5.5

Marion Barber 3.7 YPA, Felix Jones 8.9, even Tashard Choice had a 5.1

You notice Marion Barber's YPA dropped from 4.8 two and three years ago to 3.7 last year when he became the starter

Marshawn Lynch 4.1, Fred Jackson 4.4

LT 3.8, Darren Sproles 5.4

Michael turner 4.5, Jerious Norwood 5.1

Plus last year Ward was playing behind one of the top olines in football (arguably the best) and Tampa doesn't exactly have that

And on Graham, your just like Espurs, being injured doesn't get you a get out of free card. Fact: Graham has never had a 1000 yard season. Cullen Jenkins had 2.5 sacks through 4 games last year and its not like I go around saying oh he was on pace for a double digit sack season so thats just as good as having one

thetombradyhate

ur homerism is blinding you badly. fact is bucs RB today are better than the 06 packers. end of discussion

Can you guys leave the arguing to good interesting teams only? Not the Bucs or Packers. K thanks.Espurs117

sorry ESPN doesnt suck our teams dick like SOME other teams

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]Can you guys leave the arguing to good interesting teams only? Not the Bucs or Packers. K thanks.Ryder004

sorry ESPN doesnt suck our teams dick like SOME other teams

Because you aren't interesting, I just said that. 

[QUOTE="Ryder004"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]Can you guys leave the arguing to good interesting teams only? Not the Bucs or Packers. K thanks.Espurs117

sorry ESPN doesnt suck our teams dick like SOME other teams

Because you aren't interesting, I just said that. 

interesting?

ur telling me being over hyped and then chocking is considered interesting? well nevermind i guess that is intrested, if not that it sure is funny

[QUOTE="thetombradyhate"]

Really Ahman Green's worst year as a starter, the one we are referring to is more balanced then any year they had. Ward was a change of pace, the 2nd string, and they normally have a much higher YPA because they are fresher and often are catching the D off guard to some degree.

For Example: Ryan Grant 3.9 YPA, 5.5

Marion Barber 3.7 YPA, Felix Jones 8.9, even Tashard Choice had a 5.1

You notice Marion Barber's YPA dropped from 4.8 two and three years ago to 3.7 last year when he became the starter

Marshawn Lynch 4.1, Fred Jackson 4.4

LT 3.8, Darren Sproles 5.4

Michael turner 4.5, Jerious Norwood 5.1

Plus last year Ward was playing behind one of the top olines in football (arguably the best) and Tampa doesn't exactly have that

And on Graham, your just like Espurs, being injured doesn't get you a get out of free card. Fact: Graham has never had a 1000 yard season. Cullen Jenkins had 2.5 sacks through 4 games last year and its not like I go around saying oh he was on pace for a double digit sack season so thats just as good as having one

Ryder004

ur homerism is blinding you badly. fact is bucs RB today are better than the 06 packers. end of discussion

There is some great logic, your the homer the Bucs have average running backs 

[QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"]

Really Ahman Green's worst year as a starter, the one we are referring to is more balanced then any year they had. Ward was a change of pace, the 2nd string, and they normally have a much higher YPA because they are fresher and often are catching the D off guard to some degree.

For Example: Ryan Grant 3.9 YPA, 5.5

Marion Barber 3.7 YPA, Felix Jones 8.9, even Tashard Choice had a 5.1

You notice Marion Barber's YPA dropped from 4.8 two and three years ago to 3.7 last year when he became the starter

Marshawn Lynch 4.1, Fred Jackson 4.4

LT 3.8, Darren Sproles 5.4

Michael turner 4.5, Jerious Norwood 5.1

Plus last year Ward was playing behind one of the top olines in football (arguably the best) and Tampa doesn't exactly have that

And on Graham, your just like Espurs, being injured doesn't get you a get out of free card. Fact: Graham has never had a 1000 yard season. Cullen Jenkins had 2.5 sacks through 4 games last year and its not like I go around saying oh he was on pace for a double digit sack season so thats just as good as having one

thetombradyhate

ur homerism is blinding you badly. fact is bucs RB today are better than the 06 packers. end of discussion

There is some great logic, your the homer the Bucs have average running backs 

we will see who gets more yards this season how about that?

[QUOTE="Espurs117"][QUOTE="Ryder004"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]Can you guys leave the arguing to good interesting teams only? Not the Bucs or Packers. K thanks.Ryder004

sorry ESPN doesnt suck our teams dick like SOME other teams

Because you aren't interesting, I just said that. 

interesting?

ur telling me being over hyped and then chocking is considered interesting? well nevermind i guess that is intrested, if not that it sure is funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8U0KT0bYZw&feature=related 

[QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"]

Really Ahman Green's worst year as a starter, the one we are referring to is more balanced then any year they had. Ward was a change of pace, the 2nd string, and they normally have a much higher YPA because they are fresher and often are catching the D off guard to some degree.

For Example: Ryan Grant 3.9 YPA, 5.5

Marion Barber 3.7 YPA, Felix Jones 8.9, even Tashard Choice had a 5.1

You notice Marion Barber's YPA dropped from 4.8 two and three years ago to 3.7 last year when he became the starter

Marshawn Lynch 4.1, Fred Jackson 4.4

LT 3.8, Darren Sproles 5.4

Michael turner 4.5, Jerious Norwood 5.1

Plus last year Ward was playing behind one of the top olines in football (arguably the best) and Tampa doesn't exactly have that

And on Graham, your just like Espurs, being injured doesn't get you a get out of free card. Fact: Graham has never had a 1000 yard season. Cullen Jenkins had 2.5 sacks through 4 games last year and its not like I go around saying oh he was on pace for a double digit sack season so thats just as good as having one

Ryder004

ur homerism is blinding you badly. fact is bucs RB today are better than the 06 packers. end of discussion

There is some great logic, your the homer the Bucs have average running backs 

we will see who gets more yards this season how about that?

Well if you add both Ward and Graham they will probably outrush Ahman because they are 2 RB's, but Ahman's season will probably be better than either of theirs.

And once again all you can do is accuse me of being a homer because you can't even rebutal any of my points because they are right. Ahman Green was an ELITE back when he was with the Packers, Graham and Ward have done nothing yet to prove they are anything more than average NFL running backs

[QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"]

Really Ahman Green's worst year as a starter, the one we are referring to is more balanced then any year they had. Ward was a change of pace, the 2nd string, and they normally have a much higher YPA because they are fresher and often are catching the D off guard to some degree.

For Example: Ryan Grant 3.9 YPA, 5.5

Marion Barber 3.7 YPA, Felix Jones 8.9, even Tashard Choice had a 5.1

You notice Marion Barber's YPA dropped from 4.8 two and three years ago to 3.7 last year when he became the starter

Marshawn Lynch 4.1, Fred Jackson 4.4

LT 3.8, Darren Sproles 5.4

Michael turner 4.5, Jerious Norwood 5.1

Plus last year Ward was playing behind one of the top olines in football (arguably the best) and Tampa doesn't exactly have that

And on Graham, your just like Espurs, being injured doesn't get you a get out of free card. Fact: Graham has never had a 1000 yard season. Cullen Jenkins had 2.5 sacks through 4 games last year and its not like I go around saying oh he was on pace for a double digit sack season so thats just as good as having one

thetombradyhate

ur homerism is blinding you badly. fact is bucs RB today are better than the 06 packers. end of discussion

There is some great logic, your the homer the Bucs have average running backs 

we will see who gets more yards this season how about that?

Well if you add both Ward and Graham they will probably outrush Ahman because they are 2 RB's, but Ahman's season will probably be better than either of theirs.

And once again all you can do is accuse me of being a homer because you can't even rebutal any of my points because they are right. Ahman Green was an ELITE back when he was with the Packers, Graham and Ward have done nothing yet to prove they are anything more than average NFL running backs

i aint talking about green. im talking about todays green bay RB's vs tampa's.

and yes green was better, but ORIGINALLY i was talking about the whole unit not just 1 vs 1

[QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"]

Really Ahman Green's worst year as a starter, the one we are referring to is more balanced then any year they had. Ward was a change of pace, the 2nd string, and they normally have a much higher YPA because they are fresher and often are catching the D off guard to some degree.

For Example: Ryan Grant 3.9 YPA, 5.5

Marion Barber 3.7 YPA, Felix Jones 8.9, even Tashard Choice had a 5.1

You notice Marion Barber's YPA dropped from 4.8 two and three years ago to 3.7 last year when he became the starter

Marshawn Lynch 4.1, Fred Jackson 4.4

LT 3.8, Darren Sproles 5.4

Michael turner 4.5, Jerious Norwood 5.1

Plus last year Ward was playing behind one of the top olines in football (arguably the best) and Tampa doesn't exactly have that

And on Graham, your just like Espurs, being injured doesn't get you a get out of free card. Fact: Graham has never had a 1000 yard season. Cullen Jenkins had 2.5 sacks through 4 games last year and its not like I go around saying oh he was on pace for a double digit sack season so thats just as good as having one

Ryder004

ur homerism is blinding you badly. fact is bucs RB today are better than the 06 packers. end of discussion

There is some great logic, your the homer the Bucs have average running backs 

we will see who gets more yards this season how about that?

Well if you add both Ward and Graham they will probably outrush Ahman because they are 2 RB's, but Ahman's season will probably be better than either of theirs.

And once again all you can do is accuse me of being a homer because you can't even rebutal any of my points because they are right. Ahman Green was an ELITE back when he was with the Packers, Graham and Ward have done nothing yet to prove they are anything more than average NFL running backs

i aint talking about green. im talking about todays green bay RB's vs tampa's.

and yes green was better, but ORIGINALLY i was talking about the whole unit not just 1 vs 1

When the hell did we start talking about todays Packers RB's? The whole time I've been talking about Ahman Green?

And I still think the unit was better, you throw any average backup with an elite RB and you have a better unit then two average backs 

[QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"]

Really Ahman Green's worst year as a starter, the one we are referring to is more balanced then any year they had. Ward was a change of pace, the 2nd string, and they normally have a much higher YPA because they are fresher and often are catching the D off guard to some degree.

For Example: Ryan Grant 3.9 YPA, 5.5

Marion Barber 3.7 YPA, Felix Jones 8.9, even Tashard Choice had a 5.1

You notice Marion Barber's YPA dropped from 4.8 two and three years ago to 3.7 last year when he became the starter

Marshawn Lynch 4.1, Fred Jackson 4.4

LT 3.8, Darren Sproles 5.4

Michael turner 4.5, Jerious Norwood 5.1

Plus last year Ward was playing behind one of the top olines in football (arguably the best) and Tampa doesn't exactly have that

And on Graham, your just like Espurs, being injured doesn't get you a get out of free card. Fact: Graham has never had a 1000 yard season. Cullen Jenkins had 2.5 sacks through 4 games last year and its not like I go around saying oh he was on pace for a double digit sack season so thats just as good as having one

thetombradyhate

ur homerism is blinding you badly. fact is bucs RB today are better than the 06 packers. end of discussion

There is some great logic, your the homer the Bucs have average running backs 

we will see who gets more yards this season how about that?

Well if you add both Ward and Graham they will probably outrush Ahman because they are 2 RB's, but Ahman's season will probably be better than either of theirs.

And once again all you can do is accuse me of being a homer because you can't even rebutal any of my points because they are right. Ahman Green was an ELITE back when he was with the Packers, Graham and Ward have done nothing yet to prove they are anything more than average NFL running backs

i aint talking about green. im talking about todays green bay RB's vs tampa's.

and yes green was better, but ORIGINALLY i was talking about the whole unit not just 1 vs 1

When the hell did we start talking about todays Packers RB's? The whole time I've been talking about Ahman Green?

And I still think the unit was better, you throw any average backup with an elite RB and you have a better unit then two average backs 

homerism strikes again. called green elite???????????? WOW DUDE.

and the second i got at is i said lets compre TODAYS RB's and see who gets more yards. 

[QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"]

Really Ahman Green's worst year as a starter, the one we are referring to is more balanced then any year they had. Ward was a change of pace, the 2nd string, and they normally have a much higher YPA because they are fresher and often are catching the D off guard to some degree.

For Example: Ryan Grant 3.9 YPA, 5.5

Marion Barber 3.7 YPA, Felix Jones 8.9, even Tashard Choice had a 5.1

You notice Marion Barber's YPA dropped from 4.8 two and three years ago to 3.7 last year when he became the starter

Marshawn Lynch 4.1, Fred Jackson 4.4

LT 3.8, Darren Sproles 5.4

Michael turner 4.5, Jerious Norwood 5.1

Plus last year Ward was playing behind one of the top olines in football (arguably the best) and Tampa doesn't exactly have that

And on Graham, your just like Espurs, being injured doesn't get you a get out of free card. Fact: Graham has never had a 1000 yard season. Cullen Jenkins had 2.5 sacks through 4 games last year and its not like I go around saying oh he was on pace for a double digit sack season so thats just as good as having one

Ryder004

ur homerism is blinding you badly. fact is bucs RB today are better than the 06 packers. end of discussion

There is some great logic, your the homer the Bucs have average running backs 

we will see who gets more yards this season how about that?

Well if you add both Ward and Graham they will probably outrush Ahman because they are 2 RB's, but Ahman's season will probably be better than either of theirs.

And once again all you can do is accuse me of being a homer because you can't even rebutal any of my points because they are right. Ahman Green was an ELITE back when he was with the Packers, Graham and Ward have done nothing yet to prove they are anything more than average NFL running backs

i aint talking about green. im talking about todays green bay RB's vs tampa's.

and yes green was better, but ORIGINALLY i was talking about the whole unit not just 1 vs 1

When the hell did we start talking about todays Packers RB's? The whole time I've been talking about Ahman Green?

And I still think the unit was better, you throw any average backup with an elite RB and you have a better unit then two average backs 

homerism strikes again. called green elite???????????? WOW DUDE.

and the second i got at is i said lets compre TODAYS RB's and see who gets more yards. 

I am not arguing about today's RB's. Ahman Green was elite from 2001-06. How the f*** is 4 Pro Bowls and 2 All Pro's in 6 years not elite? My definition of elite is somewhere between top 5-10. And being pro bowl 2/3 of the years and all pro 1/3 of the years I consider elite. 1,883 yards and 15 TD's in 03 is pretty f***ing elite if you ask me

Ryder calling someone homer is hilarious. This is the dude who said "If Antonio Bryant isn't elite, then I don't know what is." Ahman Green>Any waste RB to play for the Bucs.

 

Ryder calling someone homer is hilarious. This is the dude who said "If Antonio Bryant isn't elite, then I don't know what is." Ahman Green>Any waste RB to play for the Bucs.

Bobbles

Thank you 

i really dont think that you can argue that graham and ward is btter than green until they play actual seaons...for ward...jacobs got most of the carries and for graham hes been injured....

 green has had the chance to actually be the star back for his team ward and graham havent 

It doesn't matter how much you Quote and type for your Team they are still going to stink. :lol:wwe4ever_in05

I hope your referring to Ryder 

It doesn't matter how much you Quote and type for your Team they are still going to stink. :lol:wwe4ever_in05

like delhome?

[QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"]It doesn't matter how much you Quote and type for your Team they are still going to stink. :lol:Ryder004

like delhome?

[QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"]It doesn't matter how much you Quote and type for your Team they are still going to stink. :lol:Ryder004

like delhome?

I don't know anyone by the name of Delhome, but I know Jake Delhomme, The Panthers QB that passed for many, yards and can win when ever he wants against anyone,

Yeah I know that Delhomme. :P

[QUOTE="Ryder004"]

[QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"]It doesn't matter how much you Quote and type for your Team they are still going to stink. :lol:wwe4ever_in05

like delhome?

I don't know anyone by the name of Delhome, but I know Jake Delhomme, The Panthers QB that passed for many, yards and can win when ever he wants against anyone,

Yeah I know that Delhomme. :P

the one that always throws the bucs about 2-3 picks a game, ya i like him, i was so happy when panthers resigned him this offseason. now i get to watch panthers fail for 5 more seasons(5 yr extension i think)

[QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"][QUOTE="Ryder004"]

[QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"]It doesn't matter how much you Quote and type for your Team they are still going to stink. :lol:Ryder004

like delhome?

I don't know anyone by the name of Delhome, but I know Jake Delhomme, The Panthers QB that passed for many, yards and can win when ever he wants against anyone,

Yeah I know that Delhomme. :P

the one that always throws the bucs about 2-3 picks a game, ya i like him, i was so happy when panthers resigned him this offseason. now i get to watch panthers fail for 5 more seasons(5 yr extension i think)

panthers have a better shot than the bucs...thats for sure 

[QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"][QUOTE="Ryder004"]

[QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"]It doesn't matter how much you Quote and type for your Team they are still going to stink. :lol:Ryder004

like delhome?

I don't know anyone by the name of Delhome, but I know Jake Delhomme, The Panthers QB that passed for many, yards and can win when ever he wants against anyone,

Yeah I know that Delhomme. :P

the one that always throws the bucs about 2-3 picks a game, ya i like him, i was so happy when panthers resigned him this offseason. now i get to watch panthers fail for 5 more seasons(5 yr extension i think)

Yeah because going to the NFC Championship 3 times, the Super Bowl once and also being one of the best in 4th/OT comebacks is utter failure? :lol:

What's even more pathetic is that you'll consider EVERYONE who isn't a Buc's fan a homer? "The tandem of Ward and Graham will be amongst the best in the NFL" (even though 2009 will be the first season together) LMFAO

If Pierre Thomas turns out to be the back all their fans expect him to be, the Buc's will once again have the worst (or to be nice, the least effective) running game in their division ALONE. :lol: At management letting guys like Brooks and Garcia go. WHAT A JOKE

[QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"][QUOTE="Ryder004"]

[QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"]It doesn't matter how much you Quote and type for your Team they are still going to stink. :lol:Ngamer05

like delhome?

I don't know anyone by the name of Delhome, but I know Jake Delhomme, The Panthers QB that passed for many, yards and can win when ever he wants against anyone,

Yeah I know that Delhomme. :P

the one that always throws the bucs about 2-3 picks a game, ya i like him, i was so happy when panthers resigned him this offseason. now i get to watch panthers fail for 5 more seasons(5 yr extension i think)

Yeah because going to the NFC Championship 3 times, the Super Bowl once and also being one of the best in 4th/OT comebacks is utter failure? :lol:

What's even more pathetic is that you'll consider EVERYONE who isn't a Buc's fan a homer? "The tandem of Ward and Graham will be amongst the best in the NFL" (even though 2009 will be the first season together) LMFAO

If Pierre Thomas turns out to be the back all their fans expect him to be, the Buc's will once again have the worst (or to be nice, the least effective) running game in their division ALONE. :lol: At management letting guys like Brooks and Garcia go. WHAT A JOKE

seriously saints?? lol. ya i know all about pierre, hell im even hearing reports he might be the starting back at the start of the season. theres only 1 problem:sean payton, he is very impatient which is why he will still have brees throw for almost every down.

when did i say that graham and ward is among the best in the NFL??

stop doing drugs, not good for u

[QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"][QUOTE="Ryder004"]

[QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"]It doesn't matter how much you Quote and type for your Team they are still going to stink. :lol:Ngamer05

like delhome?

I don't know anyone by the name of Delhome, but I know Jake Delhomme, The Panthers QB that passed for many, yards and can win when ever he wants against anyone,

Yeah I know that Delhomme. :P

the one that always throws the bucs about 2-3 picks a game, ya i like him, i was so happy when panthers resigned him this offseason. now i get to watch panthers fail for 5 more seasons(5 yr extension i think)

Yeah because going to the NFC Championship 3 times, the Super Bowl once and also being one of the best in 4th/OT comebacks is utter failure? :lol:

What's even more pathetic is that you'll consider EVERYONE who isn't a Buc's fan a homer? "The tandem of Ward and Graham will be amongst the best in the NFL" (even though 2009 will be the first season together) LMFAO

If Pierre Thomas turns out to be the back all their fans expect him to be, the Buc's will once again have the worst (or to be nice, the least effective) running game in their division ALONE. :lol: At management letting guys like Brooks and Garcia go. WHAT A JOKE

saints aint winning a game with that trash defense...

and garcia wasnt let go...he refused to sign