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I own a Wii but it isn't for games like dead space and resident evil chronicles. I haven't bought a 3rd party game for a nintendo system since resident evil 4 on the gamecube. On rails shooters are nothing but a copout on the part of the developer to save from having to put effort into a traditional game with a free roaming camera and such. I loved the concept of house of the dead and the art design but gameplay wise it's 12 year old technology. I thought with the wiimote developers were supose to inovate not give us something we played 12 years ago?

I watch game videos and eventhough the wii is getting more support most of it is still lame. I'm not bashing nintendo or the wii I'm bashing lazy 3rd party developers.

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#2 OreoMilkshake
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You just missed out on so many good 3rd party games if you own nothing but Nintendo games.
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I own a Wii but it isn't for games like dead space and resident evil chronicles. I haven't bought a 3rd party game for a nintendo system since resident evil 4 on the gamecube. On rails shooters are nothing but a copout on the part of the developer to save from having to put effort into a traditional game with a free roaming camera and such. I loved the concept of house of the dead and the art design but gameplay wise it's 12 year old technology. I thought with the wiimote developers were supose to inovate not give us something we played 12 years ago?

I watch game videos and eventhough the wii is getting more support most of it is still lame. I'm not bashing nintendo or the wii I'm bashing lazy 3rd party developers.

jdc6305
Final fantasy crystal bearers, Red Steel 2, Tiger woords 10, TVC, and a lot of others this year say you are wrong.
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#4 SonicBalla
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Do research before posting!

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#5 GabuEx
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If you look through this entire thread and find nothing that appeals to you, I don't know what to tell you.

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#6 Rocky32189
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Here's some advice: play something other than just shooters.
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I own a Wii but it isn't for games like dead space and resident evil chronicles. I haven't bought a 3rd party game for a nintendo system since resident evil 4 on the gamecube. On rails shooters are nothing but a copout on the part of the developer to save from having to put effort into a traditional game with a free roaming camera and such. I loved the concept of house of the dead and the art design but gameplay wise it's 12 year old technology. I thought with the wiimote developers were supose to inovate not give us something we played 12 years ago?

I watch game videos and eventhough the wii is getting more support most of it is still lame. I'm not bashing nintendo or the wii I'm bashing lazy 3rd party developers.

jdc6305

Isn't Goldeneye 12 years old, you know, the FPS that made FPS mainstream and accessible for consoles? Most FPS's today have built upon that game's framework. The rail shooter can be viewed the same, only the VG industry has not expanded upon the on-rails until recently. I feel this is just lack of information and knowledge of realities on your part.

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silent hill end of story (and overlord. me wants that game so much :( )
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The only thing is on rails are cheap games there isn't much to combat that its a lower genre to FPS, RPG, RTS or a mainstream genre and really they don't change significantly its a genre that isn't going many places and its been done before by enough devs, not much to be excited about...I mean you can't even move...its 2009 and they makegames where you can't evencontrol movement.

What about Monster Hunt 3 or Conduit do they take your fancy?

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#11 funsohng
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up to this point, i never knew Little King's Story was developed and published by Nintendo
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#12 DDRMom
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I thought third party support was a lot better than it was, or at least we are starting to see the kind of games that people seem to want (zombie, fps chainsaws etc.) instead of shovelware. There are over 20 third party games that are not aimed at children, as in not Disney type titles, coming out in the next while that hold tons of potential. Perhaps you need to broaden your horizons a bit.
up to this point, i never knew Little King's Story was developed and published by Nintendofunsohng
Really? This is the first I've heard that.
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The only thing is on rails are cheap games there isn't much to combat that its a lower genre to FPS, RPG, RTS or a mainstream genre and really they don't change significantly its a genre that isn't going many places and its been done before by enough devs, not much to be excited about...I mean you can't even move...its 2009 and they makegames where you can't evencontrol movement.

What about Monster Hunt 3 or Conduit do they take your fancy?

stike22

Just like there are puzzle games, action, RPG's, JRPS's, ect.,there are also rail shooters. They are a different genre. The control method is not traditional, but like all games, it's the experience of the game that makes it what it is. Because you have no control, the game is far more cinamatic than FPS's by default. There has to be, as well as more story and mood to compliment the action going on. Simply because you can't control your movements in a game, dos not regulate it to a partial game status. As long as you enjoy the game, it might very well be better/more enjoyable than a sandbox, free roaming game. That notion is certainly not inconceivable.

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#14 wiidskirby
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At first, they were bad because they couldn't utilize the Wii's motion-sensing technology very well.

Have you looked at their releases for the future, though?

The Conduit, Little Kings' Story, Takt of Magic, Red Steel 2, Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2010

If you want a complete list, check out this.

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#15 awesomeface
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That's strange. I thought it was fine. I mean I own MadWorld, No More Heroes and Boom Blox, all great 3rd party games. Plus all the great games that are coming out soon.
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#16 goblaa
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Seriously? Ok, I guess you just don't like games anymore.

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[QUOTE="funsohng"]up to this point, i never knew Little King's Story was developed and published by NintendoDDRMom
Really? This is the first I've heard that.

awww u didnt get it did u
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[QUOTE="DDRMom"][QUOTE="funsohng"]up to this point, i never knew Little King's Story was developed and published by Nintendofunsohng
Really? This is the first I've heard that.

awww u didnt get it did u

No, it went right over my head. But that's ok, I'm short so it doesn't take much. :)
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[QUOTE="DDRMom"][QUOTE="funsohng"]up to this point, i never knew Little King's Story was developed and published by Nintendofunsohng
Really? This is the first I've heard that.

awww u didnt get it did u

For a second I thought that it also was. Just looked at a gameplay video of it and it looks just like pikmin to me lol.

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To the TC's credit, I'm actually in agreement with part of what is being said. The overall output of third-party Wii titles can be classified as lazy. It may has improved to the point where we can all name a game or two that we're actually looking forward to, as many of the replies can indicate, but let's not excuse the fact that the system has had just as many days where it's been a challenge to find a decent title that might appeal to one of us. Heck, it wasn't too long ago where just about everyone was complaining about this very subject, and a recent surge of titles shouldn't dismiss years of some rather poor efforts.

If you look through this entire thread and find nothing that appeals to you, I don't know what to tell you.

GabuEx

I agree. If you can't look through such a list and find SOMETHING worthwhile, you're in for a pretty bad time. :P That said, that's a list with a number of promising first party games, as well. That's not to say that one couldn't find anything if those games weren't there, as I think it still wouldn't be hard too find something of appeal. However, what the inclusion of the first party titles does is suggest that it's still much easier to get excited about a Nintendo-published game than it is for most third party titles. This is a problem the Wii face that many other consoles don't have to deal with, as the perception of third party games is vastly superior to that of the Wii's third party games. Is that fair? Maybe not when you look at some of the upcoming games, but once again, it's all about the big picture here, and the Wii has had it's share of droughts.

I'm not going to go as far as to say that the 3rd party support on the Wii is garbage, but I'm going to say that it's not close to where I hoped it would be years ago. Granted, there are some gems here and there, but I can't help but take some of the TC's disappointment to heart.

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If you look through this entire thread and find nothing that appeals to you, I don't know what to tell you.

GabuEx

I only see two or three third-party games worth getting in that topic, and none are must buys, in my opinion.

The problem is, third-party support is far, far weaker than on the 360 and PS3. But it's improving, at least.

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TC would have more legs to stand on if it were 2008; however it's 2009 and there have been a lot of good third-party games that have come out this year and even more are on the way. Yes you can make an argument that at a time and point the Wii's third party support WAS garbage, but what's important is the present and at present it's looking really good. The only way you could say that the support is garbage right now would be if you didn't really know what games were coming out this year.

Just because you don't like on-rails shooters doesn't somehow mean that Wii is getting crappy 3rd party support. If anything 3rd party is great and 1st party has been lacking.

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#23 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

If you look through this entire thread and find nothing that appeals to you, I don't know what to tell you.

RCGV

I only see two or three third-party games worth getting in that topic, and none are must buys, in my opinion.

The problem is, third-party support is far, far weaker than on the 360 and PS3. But it's improving, at least.

Well, that is a difference of opinion, not a statement of fact. I own a 360 and quite frankly have way more Wii games that I'm interested in.

If people honestly have no games for the Wii that they're interested in, that's fine... but I would contend that that is their problem, not the Wii's problem, and that they really just own the wrong console in that case.

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[QUOTE="RCGV"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

If you look through this entire thread and find nothing that appeals to you, I don't know what to tell you.

GabuEx

I only see two or three third-party games worth getting in that topic, and none are must buys, in my opinion.

The problem is, third-party support is far, far weaker than on the 360 and PS3. But it's improving, at least.

Well, that is a difference of opinion, not a statement of fact. I own a 360 and quite frankly have way more Wii games that I'm interested in.

If people honestly have no games for the Wii that they're interested in, that's fine... but I would contend that that is their problem, not the Wii's problem, and that they really just own the wrong console in that case.

very true. I know a lot of my kids at school who will knock anything just because its on a nintendo platform or doesn't allow you to shoot someone's kidneys onto the wall. for example I showed Daniel scribblenauts today. He bashed it. I was like "are you serious? You're bashing THIS?" scribblenauts is only the most impressed I've ever been at technology ever. I think Silent Hill looks like a better game but Scribblenauts surprised and impressed me much more.
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I'm sorry to hear you're going to be missing out on a ton of great looking 3rd party games.

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#26 Blue-N-Yellow
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

If you look through this entire thread and find nothing that appeals to you, I don't know what to tell you.

RCGV

I only see two or three third-party games worth getting in that topic, and none are must buys, in my opinion.

The problem is, third-party support is far, far weaker than on the 360 and PS3. But it's improving, at least.

So you looked at that thread, concluded that NONE of those games are must buys, and rationalized that the PS3 third party support is far, FAR superior?

Everyone is free to their own opinion, but...wow.

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Topic creator has a point. Despite a lot of misguided or flat out wrong information the wii third party suport is nothing special, its not good, its meh. You know why? Cause 3 years after the system launches only3 publishers have actually tried to give a damn about being successful on it. Nintendo (they have no choice), Capcom (and they only did it with one game too, Monster Hunter Tri) and recently, EA. Everyone else has been being lazy or has been to samll to matter in the long run. Those companies fill the library but by no means define it which is the type of games sorely missing on the wii. Why is it that the most relevant third party wii title takes 2 and a half years to launch and it is only big in the Japanese market? Why is it that devs don't announce more exclusive games for the wii when it cost a fraction of a budget to make? Why are people defending this, I don't understand. The devs can do whatever the heck they want but I don't see how people are actually fine with what is being delivered. Really, the same people that ***** for another star fox or F zero are all of a sudden actually saying the crap that comes from ubisoft or Capcom is acceptable?

3 years and the wii's first RTS is a wiiware title. 3 years and the first ground up wii FPS is just coming out. 3 years and there are less than 5 online coop games for the wii. 3 years and not one big western franchise has appeared as main series on the wii. 3 years and still the only decent ground up adventure game is Zack and Wiki (which is a puzzle game by the way). How do you people defend this? I am in complete awe quite honestly.

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Topic creator has a point. Despite a lot of misguided or flat out wrong information the wii third party suport is nothing special, its not good, its meh. You know why? Cause 3 years after the system launches only3 publishers have actually tried to give a damn about being successful on it. Nintendo (they have no choice), Capcom (and they only did it with one game too, Monster Hunter Tri) and recently, EA. Everyone else has been being lazy or has been to samll to matter in the long run. Those companies fill the library but by no means define it which is the type of games sorely missing on the wii. Why is it that the most relevant third party wii title takes 2 and a half years to launch and it is only big in the Japanese market? Why is it that devs don't announce more exclusive games for the wii when it cost a fraction of a budget to make? Why are people defending this, I don't understand. The devs can do whatever the heck they want but I don't see how people are actually fine with what is being delivered. Really, the same people that ***** for another star fox or F zero are all of a sudden actually saying the crap that comes from ubisoft or Capcom is acceptable?

3 years and the wii's first RTS is a wiiware title. 3 years and the first ground up wii FPS is just coming out. 3 years and there are less than 5 online coop games for the wii. 3 years and not one big western franchise has appeared as main series on the wii. 3 years and still the only decent ground up adventure game is Zack and Wiki (which is a puzzle game by the way). How do you people defend this? I am in complete awe quite honestly.

ActicEdge

Like I've said many times in the past... when the Wii first was presented and released, everyone thought it was a joke. So nobody had anything planned for it. Then it started selling like hotcakes and developers and publishers were really caught with their pants down.

If it takes two or three years to make a quality game, and if it took people a year or two to realize that the Wii is serious, then the timing of the ramping up of third-party support is something that really ought to surprise no one who was paying attention. It's what I've been telling people all along, but nobody paid attention to me. :P

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100 percent disagree heres why lets name great third party titles , not by review score but by the fact they are fun

1 dead rising ctd

2 wwe 2009

3 driver paralel lines

4 house of the dead overkill

5mad world

6 no more heroes

7 red steel

8 medal of honor heroes 2

9 crusin

10 klonoa

11 trivial pursuit

12 ffcc echoes of time

13 bully se

14 scarface world is yours

15 house of the dead 2/3 return

16-for all those micromachine afictionados -mini desktop racers

17 ff iv the after years -wii ware

18 ff cc chuchu , , somthing

19 nfs series

20 quantum of solace 007 -has exclusive offline vs mode

21 cod 5

22 cod3

23 monopoly-for people who dont want to lose pieces and want to have fun by the way theres 6 boards to choose from not like the hardback , , one board lol

24 thrillville offrails , i only made one coaster so far and i can already say its better then theme park rollercoaster- for ps2

25 my sims-more freedom then any sims game before 2 , and strightforward no hard things like sims 2

26 sims 2 castaway more of a traditional sims but like 2 freedom is here but your on an island to spice things up

27 sims 2 pets -same as above

28 classic chrysler racing -its only 19,99 at gamestop , cant resist a simple racer- this is your choice on of many actually

29 nitro bike-think excitebike plus rush ,, , what you get is a arcade like expierence ,like no other for a cheap price

30 indainapolis 500 legends - a good nascar like game w/o the pits /long laps

31 re 4 wii edition

32 re uc

33 -spygames elevator mission-this one remind me of some game i played on nes and i liked it , , just try to find 5 disks rack up points, in a lot of different levels found for 1999 at walmart

34 monster 4x4 its now worth it for 1999 ,a good off roader

35 ford racing off road your jaw gonna drop because its only 10 dollars at walmart, -i thought what the heck , played it , liked it better then ford racing 3

36 sim city creater-according to title for any who liked sim city this is a city build sim ,

37 my sims kingdom- much like my sims -obviously ,

38 nba/madden

39 nascar kart racers - mariokart wit nascar

i dont think i have time to list every game available but you know what go rent some, ,

i promise unlike other consoles currently , you wont find just one genre games youll find an abundance of everything from trauma center to fpses and everything in between

to bad people compare wii games to 360s because they would notice if they didnt compare the 2

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Topic creator has a point. Despite a lot of misguided or flat out wrong information the wii third party suport is nothing special, its not good, its meh. You know why? Cause 3 years after the system launches only3 publishers have actually tried to give a damn about being successful on it. Nintendo (they have no choice), Capcom (and they only did it with one game too, Monster Hunter Tri) and recently, EA. Everyone else has been being lazy or has been to samll to matter in the long run. Those companies fill the library but by no means define it which is the type of games sorely missing on the wii. Why is it that the most relevant third party wii title takes 2 and a half years to launch and it is only big in the Japanese market? Why is it that devs don't announce more exclusive games for the wii when it cost a fraction of a budget to make? Why are people defending this, I don't understand. The devs can do whatever the heck they want but I don't see how people are actually fine with what is being delivered. Really, the same people that ***** for another star fox or F zero are all of a sudden actually saying the crap that comes from ubisoft or Capcom is acceptable?

3 years and the wii's first RTS is a wiiware title. 3 years and the first ground up wii FPS is just coming out. 3 years and there are less than 5 online coop games for the wii. 3 years and not one big western franchise has appeared as main series on the wii. 3 years and still the only decent ground up adventure game is Zack and Wiki (which is a puzzle game by the way). How do you people defend this? I am in complete awe quite honestly.

GabuEx

Like I've said many times in the past... when the Wii first was presented and released, everyone thought it was a joke. So nobody had anything planned for it. Then it started selling like hotcakes and developers and publishers were really caught with their pants down.

If it takes two or three years to make a quality game, and if it took people a year or two to realize that the Wii is serious, then the timing of the ramping up of third-party support is something that really ought to surprise no one who was paying attention. It's what I've been telling people all along, but nobody paid attention to me. :P

I know the story, problem is the suport still isn't where it should be. What main series big franchises are planned for the wii? I've got 3 and one of them is hardly a big franchise. Dragon Quest 10, Monster Hunter 3, Tales of Graces. That's it, three years and that's all third parties could scrap up? I don't buy that excuse for a second, the games I am talking about are not coming and when they cost a quarter of what it takes on other platform then its just plain bad. Or am I off base? Are there magically going to be tons of exclusive big third party games announced? I expected the games to come, then was disappointed by the lack of effort on third parties fronts. What you are essentially arguing is that the support went from garbage to mediocore and it took time, to me that's not good enough for people to be defending them.

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Topic creator has a point. Despite a lot of misguided or flat out wrong information the wii third party suport is nothing special, its not good, its meh. You know why? Cause 3 years after the system launches only3 publishers have actually tried to give a damn about being successful on it. Nintendo (they have no choice), Capcom (and they only did it with one game too, Monster Hunter Tri) and recently, EA. Everyone else has been being lazy or has been to samll to matter in the long run. Those companies fill the library but by no means define it which is the type of games sorely missing on the wii. Why is it that the most relevant third party wii title takes 2 and a half years to launch and it is only big in the Japanese market? Why is it that devs don't announce more exclusive games for the wii when it cost a fraction of a budget to make? Why are people defending this, I don't understand. The devs can do whatever the heck they want but I don't see how people are actually fine with what is being delivered. Really, the same people that ***** for another star fox or F zero are all of a sudden actually saying the crap that comes from ubisoft or Capcom is acceptable?

3 years and the wii's first RTS is a wiiware title. 3 years and the first ground up wii FPS is just coming out. 3 years and there are less than 5 online coop games for the wii. 3 years and not one big western franchise has appeared as main series on the wii. 3 years and still the only decent ground up adventure game is Zack and Wiki (which is a puzzle game by the way). How do you people defend this? I am in complete awe quite honestly.

ActicEdge

Like I've said many times in the past... when the Wii first was presented and released, everyone thought it was a joke. So nobody had anything planned for it. Then it started selling like hotcakes and developers and publishers were really caught with their pants down.

If it takes two or three years to make a quality game, and if it took people a year or two to realize that the Wii is serious, then the timing of the ramping up of third-party support is something that really ought to surprise no one who was paying attention. It's what I've been telling people all along, but nobody paid attention to me. :P

I know the story, problem is the suport still isn't where it should be. What main series big franchises are planned for the wii? I've got 3 and one of them is hardly a big franchise. Dragon Quest 10, Monster Hunter 3, Tales of Graces. That's it, three years and that's all third parties could scrap up? I don't buy that excuse for a second, the games I am talking about are not coming and when they cost a quarter of what it takes on other platform then its just plain bad. Or am I off base? Are there magically going to be tons of exclusive big third party games announced? I expected the games to come, then was disappointed by the lack of effort on third parties fronts. What you are essentially arguing is that the support went from garbage to mediocore and it took time, to me that's not good enough for people to be defending them.

Silent Hill isn't a big franchise with a wii exclusive coming out that looks beyond promising?
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#32 Chojuto
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and not one big western franchise has appeared as main series on the wii.

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Who cares? Japanese games are better anyways. (lol jk :))

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#33 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Like I've said many times in the past... when the Wii first was presented and released, everyone thought it was a joke. So nobody had anything planned for it. Then it started selling like hotcakes and developers and publishers were really caught with their pants down.

If it takes two or three years to make a quality game, and if it took people a year or two to realize that the Wii is serious, then the timing of the ramping up of third-party support is something that really ought to surprise no one who was paying attention. It's what I've been telling people all along, but nobody paid attention to me. :P

snowman6251

I know the story, problem is the suport still isn't where it should be. What main series big franchises are planned for the wii? I've got 3 and one of them is hardly a big franchise. Dragon Quest 10, Monster Hunter 3, Tales of Graces. That's it, three years and that's all third parties could scrap up? I don't buy that excuse for a second, the games I am talking about are not coming and when they cost a quarter of what it takes on other platform then its just plain bad. Or am I off base? Are there magically going to be tons of exclusive big third party games announced? I expected the games to come, then was disappointed by the lack of effort on third parties fronts. What you are essentially arguing is that the support went from garbage to mediocore and it took time, to me that's not good enough for people to be defending them.

Silent Hill isn't a big franchise with a wii exclusive coming out that looks beyond promising?

Not main series. Its a spin off and its revisting the first silent hill game instead of a new story. Its also on the PS2 and PSP. Any others?

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#34 snowman6251
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

and not one big western franchise has appeared as main series on the wii.

Chojuto

Who cares? Japanese games are better anyways. (lol jk :))

Overlord? I dunno about anyone else but Overlord wii is like "omgwin" to me. Might even buy it before the Conduit (thought hopefully both at the same time to save the trip to gamestop. depends on my wallet status)
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#35 pierst179
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While I think the Wii's third-party support is the weakest this gen(shocking I know) you missed lots of great third-party games.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

and not one big western franchise has appeared as main series on the wii.

Chojuto

Who cares? Japanese games are better anyways. (lol jk :))

Well, honestly, the point isn't whether you or I like them, its that they are big franchises and are not on the wii.

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Not main series. Its a spin off and its revisting the first silent hill game instead of a new story. Its also on the PS2 and PSP. Any others?

ActicEdge

considering the PS2 and PSP versions are the afterthoughts this time around, not the wii version, plus the fact that this game definately has the potential to make every OTHER silent hill the spin offs of the series, I'd say this still counts

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Not main series. Its a spin off and its revisting the first silent hill game instead of a new story. Its also on the PS2 and PSP. Any others?

snowman6251

considering the PS2 and PSP versions are the afterthoughts this time around, not the wii version, plus the fact that this game definately has the potential to make every OTHER silent hill the spin offs of the series, I'd say this still counts

Well honestly, no, I said exclusive, its not exclusive end of story. As far as make the other silent hills spin offs, lol, this game has worse graphics than silent hill 3 on the PS2.Mains seriesdoesn't look worse than the spin offs. Besides that, the game isn't out and it still is just another revisiting of silent hill 1. It can't even try to be main series when its retelling the story from the first game so no.

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#39 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="Chojuto"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

and not one big western franchise has appeared as main series on the wii.

snowman6251

Who cares? Japanese games are better anyways. (lol jk :))

Overlord? I dunno about anyone else but Overlord wii is like "omgwin" to me. Might even buy it before the Conduit (thought hopefully both at the same time to save the trip to gamestop. depends on my wallet status)

Overlord 2 - direct sequel made by original dev team - not on wii
Overlord dark legend - prequel - made by climax (who are pretty good actually) - on wii

so, its a spinoff then right?

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#40 Chojuto
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[QUOTE="Chojuto"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

and not one big western franchise has appeared as main series on the wii.

ActicEdge

Who cares? Japanese games are better anyways. (lol jk :))

Well, honestly, the point isn't whether you or I like them, its that they are big franchises and are not on the wii.

Yep, you make a valid point. Thing is, if they simply ported a 360/PS3 game it'd just be a crappier looking version of its 360/PS3 counterpart. The only way it'd be cool is if they made it ground-up for the Wii. But most developers are probably too lazy to do that, don't have enough time, or worried about the profit, etc.

Also, most people these days have 2 consoles, so if you got a 360/PS3 and a Wii you could still enjoy the mainstream games while enjoying niche titles on the Wii.

@snowman: Yes, Overlord looks sexy!

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[QUOTE="snowman6251"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Not main series. Its a spin off and its revisting the first silent hill game instead of a new story. Its also on the PS2 and PSP. Any others?

ActicEdge

considering the PS2 and PSP versions are the afterthoughts this time around, not the wii version, plus the fact that this game definately has the potential to make every OTHER silent hill the spin offs of the series, I'd say this still counts

Well honestly, no, I said exclusive, its not exclusive end of story. As far as make the other silent hills spin offs, lol, this game has worse graphics than silent hill 3 on the PS2.Mains seriesdoesn't look worse than the spin offs. Besides that, the game isn't out and it still is just another revisiting of silent hill 1. It can't even try to be main series when its retelling the story from the first game so no.

graphics? are you kidding? This game has like easily some of my favorite graphics for any wii game out there. Its beautiful! And yes it is retelling the story of the first one but that's massively oversimplifying things considering by "retell the story" they mean "Harry crashed and is looking for his daughter. that's the only similarity" and fine if you refuse to accept silent hill then Overlord: Dark Legacy.
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[QUOTE="snowman6251"][QUOTE="Chojuto"]

Who cares? Japanese games are better anyways. (lol jk :))

ActicEdge

Overlord? I dunno about anyone else but Overlord wii is like "omgwin" to me. Might even buy it before the Conduit (thought hopefully both at the same time to save the trip to gamestop. depends on my wallet status)

Overlord 2 - direct sequel made by original dev team - not on wii
Overlord dark legend - prequel - made by climax (who are pretty good actually) - on wii

so, its a spinoff then right?

By this logic all prequels are spinoffs. Look at star wars....nevermind. (har har episodes 1-3 suck joke) but seriously a prequel is just as much of a spinoff as a sequel. So overlord 2 is a spinoff and a fake overlord game right?

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It's so sad to see people still stuck in 2007. Good thing 07 is pretty good year to be trapped in, you can relive the Smash Bros. delay for all eternity.

Seriously, the third parties are starting to give a damn. Better late than never I say.

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To the TC's credit, I'm actually in agreement with part of what is being said. The overall output of third-party Wii titles can be classified as lazy. It may has improved to the point where we can all name a game or two that we're actually looking forward to, as many of the replies can indicate, but let's not excuse the fact that the system has had just as many days where it's been a challenge to find a decent title that might appeal to one of us. Heck, it wasn't too long ago where just about everyone was complaining about this very subject, and a recent surge of titles shouldn't dismiss years of some rather poor efforts.

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Actually its absolutely does, dwelling on the past makes no sense, thats like next year looking at Galaxy 2 on the shelf and complaining about Nintendo not having anything to close out 2008. Who cares what happened six months ago, I care about what I can play right now. I don't mind the shovelware and cop out titles from a year ago or even ones still to come because now its not all the Wii has to offer outside of quality Nintendo titles. There are a slew of quality 3rd party titles coming in the next few months and beyond. The big picture is in front of us with games like Red Steel 2, Muramasa, Silent Hill, No More Heroes 2, Crystal Bearers etc. If you want to look in the rearview mirror, its easy to disregard the crap and look at the gems like No More Heroes, Deadly Creatures, De Blob, Zack and Wiki etc. What happened in the Wii's first 24 months is past and gone, you need to look ahead.
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#45 Madmangamer364
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[QUOTE="Madmangamer364"]

To the TC's credit, I'm actually in agreement with part of what is being said. The overall output of third-party Wii titles can be classified as lazy. It may has improved to the point where we can all name a game or two that we're actually looking forward to, as many of the replies can indicate, but let's not excuse the fact that the system has had just as many days where it's been a challenge to find a decent title that might appeal to one of us. Heck, it wasn't too long ago where just about everyone was complaining about this very subject, and a recent surge of titles shouldn't dismiss years of some rather poor efforts.

Sepewrath

Actually its absolutely does, dwelling on the past makes no sense, thats like next year looking at Galaxy 2 on the shelf and complaining about Nintendo not having anything to close out 2008. Who cares what happened six months ago, I care about what I can play right now. I don't mind the shovelware and cop out titles from a year ago or even ones still to come because now its not all the Wii has to offer outside of quality Nintendo titles. There are a slew of quality 3rd party titles coming in the next few months and beyond. The big picture is in front of us with games like Red Steel 2, Muramasa, Silent Hill, No More Heroes 2, Crystal Bearers etc. If you want to look in the rearview mirror, its easy to disregard the crap and look at the gems like No More Heroes, Deadly Creatures, De Blob, Zack and Wiki etc. What happened in the Wii's first 24 months is past and gone, you need to look ahead.

It's more than merely "dwelling on the past," though. It's very easy to make the arguement that despite the lineup of games that you mentioned, the Wii's third party lineup still isn't what it should be or isn't at the level of the other systems. Despite how much easier it should be to make games on the system, that's pretty sad. ArticEdge hit the nail on the head here; it's pretty funny to see so much optimism when only a short while ago, the energy surrounding Wii third party games was completely the opposite. And while all of the games you've mentioned are and/or may be solid games, it's hard to consider any of them a "must-have" title. At the very least, none of those games are going to give any of Nintendo's games a scare in any way. The fact that the system has endured what many would say were 24 months of mediocrity from third party developers only make it even more shocking that the mood in this very thread is what it is now.

Don't get me wrong. I, too, have some upcoming third party titles I'm looking forward to, but I'm not about to say that the quality of third party games as a whole are at the point where I find it acceptable, as this is what should have happened earlier in the system's life, not nearly three years into it. If third party support was where it should have been, no one would have been complaining during this more recent drought, as there wouldn't have been one. The fact that people have been so hard on Nintendo this year alone says plenty about the support the system has received. It's not about simply looking behind or ahead here. Personally, I like to know where I've come from AND where I'm going. :P

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="snowman6251"] considering the PS2 and PSP versions are the afterthoughts this time around, not the wii version, plus the fact that this game definately has the potential to make every OTHER silent hill the spin offs of the series, I'd say this still counts

snowman6251

Well honestly, no, I said exclusive, its not exclusive end of story. As far as make the other silent hills spin offs, lol, this game has worse graphics than silent hill 3 on the PS2.Mains seriesdoesn't look worse than the spin offs. Besides that, the game isn't out and it still is just another revisiting of silent hill 1. It can't even try to be main series when its retelling the story from the first game so no.

graphics? are you kidding? This game has like easily some of my favorite graphics for any wii game out there. Its beautiful! And yes it is retelling the story of the first one but that's massively oversimplifying things considering by "retell the story" they mean "Harry crashed and is looking for his daughter. that's the only similarity" and fine if you refuse to accept silent hill then Overlord: Dark Legacy.

Still looks worse than silent hill 3. All I can say before I start breaking board rules. Silent Hill Shattered memory uses the same characters, the same overarching plot, the same general story. I agree its ambitious, its not main series though, by the simple logic that its a retelling with different mechanics it makes it a spin off.

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[QUOTE="snowman6251"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Well honestly, no, I said exclusive, its not exclusive end of story. As far as make the other silent hills spin offs, lol, this game has worse graphics than silent hill 3 on the PS2.Mains seriesdoesn't look worse than the spin offs. Besides that, the game isn't out and it still is just another revisiting of silent hill 1. It can't even try to be main series when its retelling the story from the first game so no.

ActicEdge

graphics? are you kidding? This game has like easily some of my favorite graphics for any wii game out there. Its beautiful! And yes it is retelling the story of the first one but that's massively oversimplifying things considering by "retell the story" they mean "Harry crashed and is looking for his daughter. that's the only similarity" and fine if you refuse to accept silent hill then Overlord: Dark Legacy.

Still looks worse than silent hill 3. All I can say before I start breaking board rules. Silent Hill Shattered memory uses the same characters, the same overarching plot, the same general story. I agree its ambitious, its not main series though, by the simple logic that its a retelling with different mechanics it makes it a spin off.

guess we have to agree to disagree cause I think you're crazy
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="snowman6251"] graphics? are you kidding? This game has like easily some of my favorite graphics for any wii game out there. Its beautiful! And yes it is retelling the story of the first one but that's massively oversimplifying things considering by "retell the story" they mean "Harry crashed and is looking for his daughter. that's the only similarity" and fine if you refuse to accept silent hill then Overlord: Dark Legacy.snowman6251

Still looks worse than silent hill 3. All I can say before I start breaking board rules. Silent Hill Shattered memory uses the same characters, the same overarching plot, the same general story. I agree its ambitious, its not main series though, by the simple logic that its a retelling with different mechanics it makes it a spin off.

guess we have to agree to disagree cause I think you're crazy

What part is crazy? The fact that it looks inferior to a PS2 game (still looks good but silent hill 3 is gorgeous)or the fact that I'm calling a subtitled game not made by the original devs with completely different mechanics a spin off?

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What part is crazy? The fact that it looks inferior to a PS2 game (still looks good but silent hill 3 is gorgeous)or the fact that I'm calling a subtitled game not made by the original devs with completely different mechanics a spin off?

ActicEdge

both :p