A Rare occurance.

So we all know Microsoft bought out Rare, and they stopped making games for Nintendo, but I don't know if anyone has notice but Viva Pinatat, a game made by rare is coming out on the nintendo DS. Now i know that's not that much evidence but maybe Rare are starting to come back to nintendo and they might actually make a game for the Wii. We can but hope.

No. Just....no. There will not be a Rare game on the Wii. It's not even a remote possibility, and no more likely than Mario on 360: it'd be the exact same thing.

No.

No. Just....no. There will not be a Rare game on the Wii. It's not even a remote possibility, and no more likely than Mario on 360: it'd be the exact same thing.

No.

Spelunker

And besides, it's not the same Rare you used to know, a DK game made by them would suck. You need to think why Nintendo sold them in the first place, I think it was a wise choice as all of their recent games suck anyway.

[QUOTE="Spelunker"]

No. Just....no. There will not be a Rare game on the Wii. It's not even a remote possibility, and no more likely than Mario on 360: it'd be the exact same thing.

No.

vnc20100

And besides, it's not the same Rare you used to know, a DK game made by them would suck. You need to think why Nintendo sold them in the first place, I think it was a wise choice as all of their recent games suck anyway.

Rare sold themselves. Nintendo chose not to buy them.

[QUOTE="vnc20100"][QUOTE="Spelunker"]

No. Just....no. There will not be a Rare game on the Wii. It's not even a remote possibility, and no more likely than Mario on 360: it'd be the exact same thing.

No.

Spelunker

And besides, it's not the same Rare you used to know, a DK game made by them would suck. You need to think why Nintendo sold them in the first place, I think it was a wise choice as all of their recent games suck anyway.

Rare sold themselves. Nintendo chose not to buy them.

[QUOTE="Spelunker"][QUOTE="vnc20100"][QUOTE="Spelunker"]

No. Just....no. There will not be a Rare game on the Wii. It's not even a remote possibility, and no more likely than Mario on 360: it'd be the exact same thing.

No.

Duckman5

And besides, it's not the same Rare you used to know, a DK game made by them would suck. You need to think why Nintendo sold them in the first place, I think it was a wise choice as all of their recent games suck anyway.

Rare sold themselves. Nintendo chose not to buy them.

Because they didn't think it was a wise investment, apparently. That being said, that doesn't mean that Rare "sucks". That's a pretty asinine statement.

[QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="Spelunker"][QUOTE="vnc20100"][QUOTE="Spelunker"]

No. Just....no. There will not be a Rare game on the Wii. It's not even a remote possibility, and no more likely than Mario on 360: it'd be the exact same thing.

No.

Spelunker

And besides, it's not the same Rare you used to know, a DK game made by them would suck. You need to think why Nintendo sold them in the first place, I think it was a wise choice as all of their recent games suck anyway.

Rare sold themselves. Nintendo chose not to buy them.

Because they didn't think it was a wise investment, apparently. That being said, that doesn't mean that Rare "sucks". That's a pretty asinine statement.

Well, I'm wating for those aaa titles we used to have then

So we all know Microsoft bought out Rare, and they stopped making games for Nintendo, but I don't know if anyone has notice but Viva Pinatat, a game made by rare is coming out on the nintendo DS. Now i know that's not that much evidence but maybe Rare are starting to come back to nintendo and they might actually make a game for the Wii. We can but hope.

bobbetybob

no because microsoft do not have a handheld to make money they allow rare to make games for either handheld
they just have only chosen to go down the DS route

Viva is being published by M$. The only reason it's seeing the DS is because M$ dose not have a hand held. Also I say no chance anything from Rare is coming to the Wii. Rare is now part of M$, just like Bungie. Both are part of M$ game stuidos and were just able to keep there names. The only way there getting away from M$ is if M$ sells them or relases them. Just like Nintendo did, when relations got sour between the two Nintendo sold Rare off to M$.

I'm pretty sure this is accurate, again I'm going on things that I think I've heard for about five years ago or whenever Rare left N,so it's quite possible that I'm dead wrong, but this is what I beliveto be true.

Viva is being published by M$. The only reason it's seeing the DS is because M$ dose not have a hand held. Also I say no chance anything from Rare is coming to the Wii. Rare is now part of M$, just like Bungie. Both are part of M$ game stuidos and were just able to keep there names. The only way there getting away from M$ is if M$ sells them or relases them. Just like Nintendo did, when relations got sour between the two Nintendo sold Rare off to M$.

I'm pretty sure this is accurate, again I'm going on things that I think I've heard for about five years ago or whenever Rare left N,so it's quite possible that I'm dead wrong, but this is what I beliveto be true.

Giff1988

It wasn't a 'relations' issue with Nintendo, not at all. Rare controlled 51% of itself (with Nintendo owning 49%) and therefore had total control of what they were going to do. Rare no longer wanted to be an independant company (largely because the Stamper brothers wanted out in the near future) so they approached Nintendo to see if they wanted to buy the controlling interest.

Nintendo declined, so Rare forced their hand by setting up the deal with Microsoft, more or less meaning that Nintendo had to sell their stake to MS as well.

[QUOTE="Giff1988"]

Viva is being published by M$. The only reason it's seeing the DS is because M$ dose not have a hand held. Also I say no chance anything from Rare is coming to the Wii. Rare is now part of M$, just like Bungie. Both are part of M$ game stuidos and were just able to keep there names. The only way there getting away from M$ is if M$ sells them or relases them. Just like Nintendo did, when relations got sour between the two Nintendo sold Rare off to M$.

I'm pretty sure this is accurate, again I'm going on things that I think I've heard for about five years ago or whenever Rare left N,so it's quite possible that I'm dead wrong, but this is what I beliveto be true.

Spelunker

It wasn't a 'relations' issue with Nintendo, not at all. Rare controlled 51% of itself (with Nintendo owning 49%) and therefore had total control of what they were going to do. Rare no longer wanted to be an independant company (largely because the Stamper brothers wanted out in the near future) so they approached Nintendo to see if they wanted to buy the controlling interest.

Nintendo declined, so Rare forced their hand by setting up the deal with Microsoft, more or less meaning that Nintendo had to sell their stake to MS as well.

I'm not doubting you, but could we get a link or something as we have two different versions on what happened

[QUOTE="Spelunker"][QUOTE="Giff1988"]

Viva is being published by M$. The only reason it's seeing the DS is because M$ dose not have a hand held. Also I say no chance anything from Rare is coming to the Wii. Rare is now part of M$, just like Bungie. Both are part of M$ game stuidos and were just able to keep there names. The only way there getting away from M$ is if M$ sells them or relases them. Just like Nintendo did, when relations got sour between the two Nintendo sold Rare off to M$.

I'm pretty sure this is accurate, again I'm going on things that I think I've heard for about five years ago or whenever Rare left N,so it's quite possible that I'm dead wrong, but this is what I beliveto be true.

vnc20100

It wasn't a 'relations' issue with Nintendo, not at all. Rare controlled 51% of itself (with Nintendo owning 49%) and therefore had total control of what they were going to do. Rare no longer wanted to be an independant company (largely because the Stamper brothers wanted out in the near future) so they approached Nintendo to see if they wanted to buy the controlling interest.

Nintendo declined, so Rare forced their hand by setting up the deal with Microsoft, more or less meaning that Nintendo had to sell their stake to MS as well.

I'm not doubting you, but could we get a link or something as we have two different versions on what happened

It's not too hard to look it up. Any other version you hear can't be accurate, because Nintendo couldn't 'sell' Rare. Nintendo didn't own Rare. Never did, at least not a controlling stake. Back when Rare was a 2nd party developer, the Stamper brothers controlled 51% of the company, and the right to really do whatever they wanted. Nintendo only owned a minority stake.

It was Rare's decision to sell Rare.

It's not too hard to look it up. Any other version you hear can't be accurate, because Nintendo couldn't 'sell' Rare. Nintendo didn't own Rare. Never did, at least not a controlling stake. Back when Rare was a 2nd party developer, the Stamper brothers controlled 51% of the company, and the right to really do whatever they wanted. Nintendo only owned a minority stake.

It was Rare's decision to sell Rare.

Spelunker

That is true.

Nintendo refused to buy the rest of Rare so Nintendo sold back it's shares. Sure they could have fought but what's the point of fighting over something that you don't want? All it would have done is bring bad PR into the whole mess. Nintendo felt that adding Rare to it's lineup wasn't important and willingly sold back it's shares.

The deal made when they broke gave each company it's own IP's to use in the future.

[QUOTE="Spelunker"]

It's not too hard to look it up. Any other version you hear can't be accurate, because Nintendo couldn't 'sell' Rare. Nintendo didn't own Rare. Never did, at least not a controlling stake. Back when Rare was a 2nd party developer, the Stamper brothers controlled 51% of the company, and the right to really do whatever they wanted. Nintendo only owned a minority stake.

It was Rare's decision to sell Rare.

Jaysonguy

That is true.

Nintendo refused to buy the rest of Rare so Nintendo sold back it's shares. Sure they could have fought but what's the point of fighting over something that you don't want? All it would have done is bring bad PR into the whole mess. Nintendo felt that adding Rare to it's lineup wasn't important and willingly sold back it's shares.

The deal made when they broke gave each company it's own IP's to use in the future.

Did Nintendo have a contract with them?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Spelunker"]

It's not too hard to look it up. Any other version you hear can't be accurate, because Nintendo couldn't 'sell' Rare. Nintendo didn't own Rare. Never did, at least not a controlling stake. Back when Rare was a 2nd party developer, the Stamper brothers controlled 51% of the company, and the right to really do whatever they wanted. Nintendo only owned a minority stake.

It was Rare's decision to sell Rare.

dekasuperlink

That is true.

Nintendo refused to buy the rest of Rare so Nintendo sold back it's shares. Sure they could have fought but what's the point of fighting over something that you don't want? All it would have done is bring bad PR into the whole mess. Nintendo felt that adding Rare to it's lineup wasn't important and willingly sold back it's shares.

The deal made when they broke gave each company it's own IP's to use in the future.

Did Nintendo have a contract with them?

I don't understand what you mean.

A contract as far as what?

Rare will more than likely not come back to Nintendo. The only reason they are putting out Viva Pinata on DS is because Microsoft does not have a competing platform to release that game on. We have seen it before this, too. Diddy Kong Racing DS and Gruntilda's Revenge to name a few.

It is an opportunity for both companies to make money. Being direct competitors it is interesting, though.

[QUOTE="dekasuperlink"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Spelunker"]

It's not too hard to look it up. Any other version you hear can't be accurate, because Nintendo couldn't 'sell' Rare. Nintendo didn't own Rare. Never did, at least not a controlling stake. Back when Rare was a 2nd party developer, the Stamper brothers controlled 51% of the company, and the right to really do whatever they wanted. Nintendo only owned a minority stake.

It was Rare's decision to sell Rare.

Jaysonguy

That is true.

Nintendo refused to buy the rest of Rare so Nintendo sold back it's shares. Sure they could have fought but what's the point of fighting over something that you don't want? All it would have done is bring bad PR into the whole mess. Nintendo felt that adding Rare to it's lineup wasn't important and willingly sold back it's shares.

The deal made when they broke gave each company it's own IP's to use in the future.

Did Nintendo have a contract with them?

I don't understand what you mean.

A contract as far as what?

By law, a contract is usually binding regardless of circumstance. If they made a contract, Rare would have had to be bound to Nintendo until the contract was void. I have no idea how these 2nd party things work, but if Nintendo had a contract they probably wouldn't have separated so soon.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]I don't understand what you mean.

A contract as far as what?

dekasuperlink

By law, a contract is usually binding regardless of circumstance. If they made a contract, Rare would have had to be bound to Nintendo until the contract was void. I have no idea how these 2nd party things work, but if Nintendo had a contract they probably wouldn't have separated so soon.

By law, a contract is usually binding regardless of circumstance. If they made a contract, Rare would have had to be bound to Nintendo until the contract was void. I have no idea how these 2nd party things work, but if Nintendo had a contract they probably wouldn't have separated so soon.

dekasuperlink

I don't know if they had any contracts as far as games to be made or game in limbo waiting to be made.

As far as it's stock options those are all over the place. Like Nintendo didn't have to sell back it's shares. They could have fought it and been a burr in the saddle of Microsoft until they would ousted and considering how sales have gone with each maker it would have caused many fights inside the company as a whole. If Nintendo didn't sell back it's shares it would be allowed to go to shareholder meetings and do presentations for the DS and the Wii and there's nothing Microsoft could have done to stop them.

But all that is messy and you have to think of your overall image and the reward you're going to get for it. Nintendo wasn't going to help it's image by being stubborn and doing those things. Sure it would have been entertaining lol but in the end they wouldn't have gained anything since they already decided that Rare wasn't worth keeping for it's price and weight on the brand name.

It's let Nintendo do other things too like get other devs under their belt and join in partnerships making studios with places like Bandai and others.