best way to apply e.v.s in pokemon d/p/pt?

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#1 matt-j
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So... I'm getting a team ready for the 2009 video game championships. The team will consist of 4 pokemon all at level 50. I have all the pokemon bred. I have all the items and TMs I'll need. I have plenty of the right vitamins for my needs. I know full well where to e.v. train. I even have 4 exp shares! All 4 pokemon are ready and waiting to be trained up to level 50. The only problem is I'm worried I'm going to APPLY the e.v.s WRONG and squander my time and well bred pokemon. Is such a thing possible? What I mean is, is there a right/wrong/good/better/best way to APPLY the e.v.s? For example.., should I use all 10 carbos before or after evolving my Ninetailes, at level 1 or wait till 49 or 50? And, does it matter if i get all 255 e.v. points in whatever maxed stat as soon as possible, say level 15, or so, or does it just not matter as long as i get all 510 by level 50. Really I'm just looking for the highest stat boosts in the right spots by level 50. Does anybody know of any tricks/secrets?
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So... I'm getting a team ready for the 2009 video game championships. The team will consist of 4 pokemon all at level 50. I have all the pokemon bred. I have all the items and TMs I'll need. I have plenty of the right vitamins for my needs. I know full well where to e.v. train. I even have 4 exp shares! All 4 pokemon are ready and waiting to be trained up to level 50. The only problem is I'm worried I'm going to APPLY the e.v.s WRONG and squander my time and well bred pokemon. Is such a thing possible? What I mean is, is there a right/wrong/good/better/best way to APPLY the e.v.s? For example.., should I use all 10 carbos before or after evolving my Ninetailes, at level 1 or wait till 49 or 50? And, does it matter if i get all 255 e.v. points in whatever maxed stat as soon as possible, say level 15, or so, or does it just not matter as long as i get all 510 by level 50. Really I'm just looking for the highest stat boosts in the right spots by level 50. Does anybody know of any tricks/secrets?matt-j
Unfortunately, all the info around EVs are confusing or screwed, people say that level doesn't really matter but they also say that rare candies can screw one level because you missed to place the EVs (unless you've placed the EVs already), so its hard to say who's right and who's wrong, because if the first one is true, then the second one might be false. Anyway... just try to stay on the safe side, get a pokemon lvl 1 and EV train on the lowest level wild pokemon that you can face. (and the first thing you will use is the carbos, protein, etc.)
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Different Pokemon give different EVs. I would provide you with a link of what Pokemon provide EVs, but Bulbapedia is down. So you're going to have to google for it. Also you can use other items such as Macho Brace that'll raise EVs faster. Not to mention if you have PokeRus, it'll raise it even more. You should as well try to get the Pokemon as low as possible to maximize the amount of EVs you'll get. As well, depending on your strategy of your Pokemon, you may want to allocate EVs to different stats. Look up which stats your Pokemon benefit most and maximize it's potential. Strangely even after knowing all this, I don't EV train :P
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#4 matt-j
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Thanks for the advice! I apreciate it. Still does anybody know if it's "best" to get all 510 EVs as early as possible, or does it not matter as long as you get them by level 50? I'm not going to miss some kind of extra boost by not cramming them all in before level 10 or something am I? Competition will be tough and I don't want to squander ANYTHING.
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#5 meiaman
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Thanks for the advice! I apreciate it. Still does anybody know if it's "best" to get all 510 EVs as early as possible, or does it not matter as long as you get them by level 50? I'm not going to miss some kind of extra boost by not cramming them all in before level 10 or something am I? Competition will be tough and I don't want to squander ANYTHING.matt-j
Like i said, best be on the safe side.
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#6 the_wet_mop
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you should really look up and EV guide, but ill do my best to explain

fist off, get pokerus as soon as you can, as it doubles the evs you gain. secondly, rare-candies have no effect on your evs whatsoever, but i cant imagine you having enough to level all those pokes up anyway. obviously, however, you wont gain any evs if you never fight anything and ONLY rare candy. every pokemon in the game gives a certain number of evs to a certain stat. (for a list, go to serebii.net, or google search it). with an XP share, everything that gets experience gets ALL the evs from the pokemon. the point of ev training isnt to get evs, because that always happens, its to put them in the right places. i dont want any speed evs on a rhyperior, nor do i want attack on my milotic.

what you need to do is look up what you want (attack on a dragonite, for example) and then go fight stuff that gives attack evs until you have the desired amount. it doesnt matter what level you do this at, but keep in mind that if you level it at the e4 or something random, you'll get tons of random evs.my advice: level him a little fighting only things with the correct evs. (ei. xp share him on lv 50 fearows, so long as speed is something you need) then he'll be stong enough to kill some low leveled stuff.

items: you WANT to use these. macho brace+ pokerus=4x evs. all the other items add to the number of evs you get, this applies after pokerus. for example: starly=1 speed. x2 for pokerus=2. +4 for power item=6.

vitamins: these give 10 each to whatever stat, but they can only bring it up to 100. use these before you do any training.

i hope i didnt insult you're intelligence, but i tried to list all the basics, as it sounds like you havnt done this before.

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#7 matt-j
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Nah. :) You didn't insult my intelligence! Don't worry. But... I have read the EV guides on Smogon, Serebii, Legendary, and Gamefaqs. I understand all the basics pretty much 100%. I'm applying EVs to the speed and special attack stats only to my pokemon because they already have high-ish special attack stats, in order to build a special sweeper team, oh and I have 51 rare candies, but I don't use them to permanently level up, just to check IVs in an IV calculator to see which bred pokemon is the best. I know where to get all my specific EVs, (speed EVs from that cave in the begining of the game with weak Zubats, and Special attack EVs from the abandoned mansion with Rotom in it). The only real question I have is, "Is there any extra boost from applying them early?" None of the aforementioned guides talked about such a boost, so it probably doesn't exist, but I just thought I'd ask incase anyone knew. I think I'm overthinking this EV training business. Oh, and I will take the advice to play it safe. Thank you. That's always good advice.
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When will you know what evs are in effect? Like will my charmander suddenly get like +5 speed boosts for a couple levels?
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#9 meiaman
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[QUOTE="Lazay727"]When will you know what evs are in effect? Like will my charmander suddenly get like +5 speed boosts for a couple levels?

Not at all, the differences are only noticeable at higher levels. So don't expect seeing a +7 (except blyssey for HP) when you level up. ;)
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#10 Lazay727
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so i wont see anything til level 50 at least? ive killed like 25 magikarps with macho brace. should i keep going?
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#11 meiaman
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[QUOTE="Lazay727"]so i wont see anything til level 50 at least? ive killed like 25 magikarps with macho brace. should i keep going?

Just keep going, my recomendation is to keep note of how many EVs you have acquired and how many you can still get. (the total max is 510, but per stat you can put 255, for example, 255 on atk and 255 on def. But you can't have 260 on atk...) And like i said, you won't even notice the changes... they are hardly noticeable, your pokemons status will grow a bit higher when he levels up but you won't notice it much... only when he is at higher levels (like you said 50 or more) is that you can clearly see the changes. Anyway, try to compare a non-ev trained lv 50 pkmn and an EV trained lv 50 pkmn of the same nature and specie. Despite the lack of a way to notice how stats are leveling, if you compare their stats, you will notice that the EV trained one has higher stats. I can give you an example, when i used to play crystal and my friend gold, he had yellow, so he traded a mewtwo, restarted it and gave another mewtwo to me, we randomly trained the mewtwos (we didn't knew how EVs worked that time... it was around 2002) but he had given it more carbos and i gave mine more calcium, anyway mine had around 20 more of sp.attack and sp. def than my friend's mewtwo and my friend's one had around 20 more speed. (it was really long ago, so i don't remember the exactly values, but you can have an idea).
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#12 Lazay727
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thanks that's helpful. but i havent been keeping track. my next pokemon i will.
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#13 matt-j
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"And like i said, you won't even notice the changes... they are hardly noticeable, your pokemons status will grow a bit higher when he levels up but you won't notice it much... only when he is at higher levels (like you said 50 or more) is that you can clearly see the changes" That's what my question is really about. Is there any way to make the changes more noticable at lower levels. Like say for instance, cramming more EVs in at lower levels. The reason being, pokemon above level 50 can't enter the tournament, so I'm worried that all this EV training isn't really going to show up much at level 50, but it's all going to dump on at level 75 or something. :(
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#14 the_wet_mop
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now that i understand, the answer is no. if you get enough evs for 20 points in attack, you wont see all 20 until level 100. the higher level it goes, the more noticable it is. however, sometimes you will see the results as you level up, maybe getting 5 or 6 in a stat or something. potentially, if you get to lv 99 with no evs(rare candies), then ev'd, then leveled up, you would see all of them at once.

basically, just put the evs in the right places. at level 50 you'll see a difference, but your advantage over you oppenents will be greatest at lv 100 (assuming they dont ev). i'de try to convince them to round to 100 if i were you.

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#15 matt-j
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Thank you very much for the confirmation. I posted this on serebii too and they said the same so I trust you. I just wish you could get the EVs and immediately get the stat boost because lvl 50 is the max. Oh! And there's no way they'll budge about the levels! :P This is the OFFICIAL 2009 world videogame championship put on by Nintendo and the Pokemon Co. 0_o
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#16 PalkiaTrainer
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Hallo I start ev train. I read all the ev guides and its something that i haven't understood yet. I know that 4 ev= +1 in the stat point (special attack etc.) but when i was training my azelf to see how the ev train works and it didn't work well. I had taken 70 ev (while it was holding power lens) and it took only +13. why that became. did i do something wrong? because it must have taken +17 or higher. I want to learn how to ev train because i want to train my palkia with max out sp attack and sp defense
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you should really look up and EV guide, but ill do my best to explain

fist off, get pokerus as soon as you can, as it doubles the evs you gain. secondly, rare-candies have no effect on your evs whatsoever, but i cant imagine you having enough to level all those pokes up anyway. obviously, however, you wont gain any evs if you never fight anything and ONLY rare candy. every pokemon in the game gives a certain number of evs to a certain stat. (for a list, go to serebii.net, or google search it). with an XP share, everything that gets experience gets ALL the evs from the pokemon. the point of ev training isnt to get evs, because that always happens, its to put them in the right places. i dont want any speed evs on a rhyperior, nor do i want attack on my milotic.

what you need to do is look up what you want (attack on a dragonite, for example) and then go fight stuff that gives attack evs until you have the desired amount. it doesnt matter what level you do this at, but keep in mind that if you level it at the e4 or something random, you'll get tons of random evs.my advice: level him a little fighting only things with the correct evs. (ei. xp share him on lv 50 fearows, so long as speed is something you need) then he'll be stong enough to kill some low leveled stuff.

items: you WANT to use these. macho brace+ pokerus=4x evs. all the other items add to the number of evs you get, this applies after pokerus. for example: starly=1 speed. x2 for pokerus=2. +4 for power item=6.

vitamins: these give 10 each to whatever stat, but they can only bring it up to 100. use these before you do any training.

i hope i didnt insult you're intelligence, but i tried to list all the basics, as it sounds like you havnt done this before.

the_wet_mop
Pokerus + power items works like this actually: [Starly (1) + Power anklet (4)] * Pokerus(2) = 10 I'm guessing you don't usually use Pokerus while EV training. My advice: get all your EVs by level 49, and you'll be fine. Also what do you define as well bred pokemon?
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#18 xxartanisxx
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nice explanation guys no9w i just needa get me some power items and pokerus lol.

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#20 PalkiaTrainer
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How can I get pokerus with an easy way? (I know what pokerus is)
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#21 the_wet_mop
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[QUOTE="the_wet_mop"]

you should really look up and EV guide, but ill do my best to explain

fist off, get pokerus as soon as you can, as it doubles the evs you gain. secondly, rare-candies have no effect on your evs whatsoever, but i cant imagine you having enough to level all those pokes up anyway. obviously, however, you wont gain any evs if you never fight anything and ONLY rare candy. every pokemon in the game gives a certain number of evs to a certain stat. (for a list, go to serebii.net, or google search it). with an XP share, everything that gets experience gets ALL the evs from the pokemon. the point of ev training isnt to get evs, because that always happens, its to put them in the right places. i dont want any speed evs on a rhyperior, nor do i want attack on my milotic.

what you need to do is look up what you want (attack on a dragonite, for example) and then go fight stuff that gives attack evs until you have the desired amount. it doesnt matter what level you do this at, but keep in mind that if you level it at the e4 or something random, you'll get tons of random evs.my advice: level him a little fighting only things with the correct evs. (ei. xp share him on lv 50 fearows, so long as speed is something you need) then he'll be stong enough to kill some low leveled stuff.

items: you WANT to use these. macho brace+ pokerus=4x evs. all the other items add to the number of evs you get, this applies after pokerus. for example: starly=1 speed. x2 for pokerus=2. +4 for power item=6.

vitamins: these give 10 each to whatever stat, but they can only bring it up to 100. use these before you do any training.

i hope i didnt insult you're intelligence, but i tried to list all the basics, as it sounds like you havnt done this before.

Hegna1

Pokerus + power items works like this actually: [Starly (1) + Power anklet (4)] * Pokerus(2) = 10 I'm guessing you don't usually use Pokerus while EV training. My advice: get all your EVs by level 49, and you'll be fine. Also what do you define as well bred pokemon?

someone brought this back from the dead eh? yes, i've since learned which order they're applied in. i do use pokerus, but i dont have all the power items, so i usually use the macho brace.

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#22 Hegna1
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someone brought this back from the dead eh? yes, i've since learned which order they're applied in. i do use pokerus, but i dont have all the power items, so i usually use the macho brace.

the_wet_mop

It was on the front page, so I just figured I should correct it in case anyone uses it for reference. Nothing meant against you.

Dang I can't believe I didn't notice this was bumped, I usually do, sorry about that.