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#1 90xGrad
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during another forum people were discussing review scores and what they meant. some people felt that if one game reviewed higher than another game it was a "better" game regardless of genre. according to gamespot, this would mean that warioware smooth moves and no more heroes were "better" games than metroid prime: corruption or legend of zelda: twilight princess. some people felt that review scores should only compare to other games' scores who share the same genre. for example, guitar hero receiving a higher score than rock band would mean that guitar hero was a better music game; however, if guitar hero scored better than metroid it does not necessarily mean that guitar hero is the better game. what do you guys think? review scores do not necessarily matter to me, but if i was going to compare scores i would compare scores within the same genre.

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#2 Bigboi500
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Scores are just one persons opinion and not very important to a games quality.

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#3 LiftedHeadshot
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In the end, reviews are about how well-crafted and enjoyable a game is. People compare games in different genres based on how fun they found them to be, regardless of what it's about.
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Review scores and in many cases, reviews are absolutely useless, because they are just one person opinion. And a person is capable of bias, influences, and other facets that effect the scores. Review scores are simply for people to argue and complain about, I mean I could give Mario Galaxy a 1.0 does that make it any less of a great game? A score has no more meaning then any single person is willing to give it.
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#5 90xGrad
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i agree. to clarify, a better score does not mean a better game in your opinion, right?

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#6 LiftedHeadshot
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i agree. to clarify, a better score does not mean a better game in your opinion, right?

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Of course, a game could get a 1/10 and still be a great game to an individual so long as it caters to what they find fun. One man's trash is a another man's treasure.
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#7 randomwiiplayer
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Star Fox Adventures got an average 82/100.

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#8 aransom
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A game can be better or worse than another in different areas. If a game has a low rating because of technical flaws, you should stay away. If a game has a low rating because the reviewer thought it wasn't much fun, maybe you'll still think it's fun. If game X got a 4/10 and game Y got a 9/10 you can say game Y is better, and no one will challenge you on it. If game W got a 8.5/10 then stating that game Y is better puts you on shaky ground because the differences between Y and W might be subjective.

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#9 LiftedHeadshot
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Star Fox Adventures got an average 82/100.

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Your point being?
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#11 sman3579
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scores = opinion. There are games that others have loved that I hate, like Zelda TP. They would be given the game a 10 or 9 and I would give it a 6. The only score that matters is the one you give it.

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#12 randomwiiplayer
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[QUOTE="randomwiiplayer"]

Star Fox Adventures got an average 82/100.

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Your point being?

For a Star Fox game, it sucked. It doesn't deserve anything above a 7/10.

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#13 DiaperRash89
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no ones score is going to tell me if i like the game or not
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#14 snover2009
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Scores are just one persons opinion and not very important to a games quality.

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Yah I can see it between IGN and Gamespot.

IGN game NMH a 7.6 (I think) and Madworld a 9.0

Gamespot gave NMH a 9.0 and Madworld a 7.5

I had a friend tell me that he simply uses the score a game gets as a price guide.

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#15 GabuEx
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I generally only use scores as guidelines for games that I'm unsure about. If everything I look at a game tells me that it looks good, I will almost never let review scores tell me otherwise - and thus far, that mode of operation has never led me astray, my having enjoyed many games that reviewers panned.

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#16 TaMuK711
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Gameranking scored generally peg the good ones pretty well.

Its always worth it to read the reviews though, as has been said, techinical problems should be avoided, but if the stuff they are docking points for is something that doesnt bother you, of course you should try it out.

GTAIV got a 10, but I have enjoyed MANY more AA games than I did that game.

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#17 Rage_Quiter2000
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I dont see it a competition but a to show gamers what games are fun... And which Suck!

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#18 garrett_duffman
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depends on why the game has a lower score. if it is technical problems, glitching, and other things that make the game nearly unplayable, then yea. lower score means a worse game
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#19 GabuEx
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depends on why the game has a lower score. if it is technical problems, glitching, and other things that make the game nearly unplayable, then yea. lower score means a worse gamegarrett_duffman

It seems to me that the unplayability makes the game worse, not the score. :P

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#20 garrett_duffman
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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]depends on why the game has a lower score. if it is technical problems, glitching, and other things that make the game nearly unplayable, then yea. lower score means a worse gameGabuEx

It seems to me that the unplayability makes the game worse, not the score. :P

I dont see any unplayable games getting 10's around here lol.
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#21 umcommon
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Scores are subjective; just like NMH got a 9.0 on GS when I would of given it a 3.0, Twilight Princess got a 8.9 while I would of given it a 9.5.
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#22 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]depends on why the game has a lower score. if it is technical problems, glitching, and other things that make the game nearly unplayable, then yea. lower score means a worse gamegarrett_duffman

It seems to me that the unplayability makes the game worse, not the score. :P

I dont see any unplayable games getting 10's around here lol.

No, but if one did get one, then I think you would agree that the score did not exactly alter the extent to which the game was good or bad.

I'm just saying, if you need to ask why the game got a lower score before determining whether the score makes the game worse... it's probably not the score that matters.

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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

It seems to me that the unplayability makes the game worse, not the score. :P

GabuEx

I dont see any unplayable games getting 10's around here lol.

No, but if one did get one, then I think you would agree that the score did not exactly alter the extent to which the game was good or bad.

I'm just saying, if you need to ask why the game got a lower score before determining whether the score makes the game worse... it's probably not the score that matters.

i dont think that ANY game deserves a 10/10. this would mean the game is absolutely perfect in every way, which is virtually impossible. there is always a way that a game can be better.
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#24 tj_odee
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It is all opinions. For example, sonic riders zero gravity (for wii)got 4.5. That doesn't mean everyone is going to hate it.

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Review scores and in many cases, reviews are absolutely useless, because they are just one person opinion. And a person is capable of bias, influences, and other facets that effect the scores. Review scores are simply for people to argue and complain about, I mean I could give Mario Galaxy a 1.0 does that make it any less of a great game? A score has no more meaning then any single person is willing to give it.Sepewrath
Exactly. I rarely look at the score and actually find player reviews more helpful than critic reviews.
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[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Review scores and in many cases, reviews are absolutely useless, because they are just one person opinion. And a person is capable of bias, influences, and other facets that effect the scores. Review scores are simply for people to argue and complain about, I mean I could give Mario Galaxy a 1.0 does that make it any less of a great game? A score has no more meaning then any single person is willing to give it.DDRMom
Exactly. I rarely look at the score and actually find player reviews more helpful than critic reviews.

I dont trust player reviews as far as i can throw them. Players are the most biased reviewers without even knowing it. I dont mean to dig up a demon, but personally i think that gabu's whole sonic in the black knight deal is rubbish. there is a kid on youtube SUCESSFULLY playing the game while not looking at the screen, he literally just had to keep waving the remote and moving, and he won. When the controls are that shallow, its hard to say that a game is good. You take metroid prime on the other hand, where you know what you're going to get control wise before you buy it, but it still has depth to it, there is a chance that you will fail to hit an enemy, even if you're doing everything right. im not saying that makes it a good game, im just saying there is a level of for lack of a better term, open eyed-ness that is required to sucessfully form an accurate, non-biased opinion on a game.
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I dont trust player reviews as far as i can throw them. Players are the most biased reviewers without even knowing it. I dont mean to dig up a demon, but personally i think that gabu's whole sonic in the black knight deal is rubbish. there is a kid on youtube SUCESSFULLY playing the game while not looking at the screen, he literally just had to keep waving the remote and moving, and he won. When the controls are that shallow, its hard to say that a game is good. You take metroid prime on the other hand, where you know what you're going to get control wise before you buy it, but it still has depth to it, there is a chance that you will fail to hit an enemy, even if you're doing everything right. im not saying that makes it a good game, im just saying there is a level of for lack of a better term, open eyed-ness that is required to sucessfully form an accurate, non-biased opinion on a game. garrett_duffman

Yes I can see where you're coming from in respect to techinical issues, many people will overlook those issues if they are still getting enjoyment from the game.

My issue with reviews is that often the games I am looking at are for my children and quite honestly, reviews of children's game generally suck. I have better luck finding out if my child will enjoy a game by reading customer reviews on a site like amazon or non-gaming specific sites than if I were to trust some of the so-called professional reviewers.

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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] I dont trust player reviews as far as i can throw them. Players are the most biased reviewers without even knowing it. I dont mean to dig up a demon, but personally i think that gabu's whole sonic in the black knight deal is rubbish. there is a kid on youtube SUCESSFULLY playing the game while not looking at the screen, he literally just had to keep waving the remote and moving, and he won. When the controls are that shallow, its hard to say that a game is good. You take metroid prime on the other hand, where you know what you're going to get control wise before you buy it, but it still has depth to it, there is a chance that you will fail to hit an enemy, even if you're doing everything right. im not saying that makes it a good game, im just saying there is a level of for lack of a better term, open eyed-ness that is required to sucessfully form an accurate, non-biased opinion on a game. DDRMom

Yes I can see where you're coming from in respect to techinical issues, many people will overlook those issues if they are still getting enjoyment from the game.

My issue with reviews is that often the games I am looking at are for my children and quite honestly, reviews of children's game generally suck. I have better luck finding out if my child will enjoy a game by reading customer reviews on a site like amazon or non-gaming specific sites than if I were to trust some of the so-called professional reviewers.

theres this store called playntrade that i went to for the first time recently near town, and they actually let you play the game you want in store before you buy it to make an educated decision. Personally, i think that renting is the best way to go, especially with kids, because if there are technical issues with the game or hard parts or something, you can first see how your kid handles it before deciding to buy it, or if they beat it and got old with it within the rental period, then you just saved yourself 30 to 40 bucks lol
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#29 90xGrad
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[QUOTE="DDRMom"]

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] I dont trust player reviews as far as i can throw them. Players are the most biased reviewers without even knowing it. I dont mean to dig up a demon, but personally i think that gabu's whole sonic in the black knight deal is rubbish. there is a kid on youtube SUCESSFULLY playing the game while not looking at the screen, he literally just had to keep waving the remote and moving, and he won. When the controls are that shallow, its hard to say that a game is good. You take metroid prime on the other hand, where you know what you're going to get control wise before you buy it, but it still has depth to it, there is a chance that you will fail to hit an enemy, even if you're doing everything right. im not saying that makes it a good game, im just saying there is a level of for lack of a better term, open eyed-ness that is required to sucessfully form an accurate, non-biased opinion on a game. garrett_duffman

Yes I can see where you're coming from in respect to techinical issues, many people will overlook those issues if they are still getting enjoyment from the game.

My issue with reviews is that often the games I am looking at are for my children and quite honestly, reviews of children's game generally suck. I have better luck finding out if my child will enjoy a game by reading customer reviews on a site like amazon or non-gaming specific sites than if I were to trust some of the so-called professional reviewers.

theres this store called playntrade that i went to for the first time recently near town, and they actually let you play the game you want in store before you buy it to make an educated decision. Personally, i think that renting is the best way to go, especially with kids, because if there are technical issues with the game or hard parts or something, you can first see how your kid handles it before deciding to buy it, or if they beat it and got old with it within the rental period, then you just saved yourself 30 to 40 bucks lol

i do not think there is a playntrade or something similar to where i live. we do havea few game stores that will let you rent the game and then if you decide to purchase it they will deduct the rent fee from the purchase price. i think that is reasonable although i am sure quite a few places do it as well.

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scores are just a number representation of how much the reviewer liked the game. they shouldn't be used to compare, just to check if a game is good or not, according to reviewer X.
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#31 GabuEx
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Exactly. I rarely look at the score and actually find player reviews more helpful than critic reviews. DDRMom

I actually do too - I routinely disagree with the critics' reviews, but it's a very rare day on which I don't agree with the average user score for a game (though it has happened).

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#32 HipYoungster42
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Well, I would think an 8.9 game would be better than a 1.3 game...:P

But seriously, it all really comes down to your own opinion. A review score should always be looked at as a mere suggestion, and not as concrete law & order. I've played countless games that I thoroughly enjoyed, yet GameSpot gave it a bad score. It all depends on your personal tastes and likes.

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#33 osan0
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scores are somewhat handy for debating games as they are someting can, to an extent accept (though not necessarily agree with). they add some form of structure to a debate. take scores aay and all ure doing is debating opinions...which is pointless since all points made are valid really. in the real world...scores are about as useful as a bag of crispy salad in a sword fight. thats not to say that reviews are useless mind...i find reviews to be very helpful when im on the fence on a game or i dont know alot about a game but am curious about it. i read a few reviews from different sources to get an idea about what the game is like. but does a better score mean a better game? for debate in twisted, demendted places like system wars....yes. in the real world. absolutely not.
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#34 mkDSpro63
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Better score equal better game? Never.

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theres this store called playntrade that i went to for the first time recently near town, and they actually let you play the game you want in store before you buy it to make an educated decision. Personally, i think that renting is the best way to go, especially with kids, because if there are technical issues with the game or hard parts or something, you can first see how your kid handles it before deciding to buy it, or if they beat it and got old with it within the rental period, then you just saved yourself 30 to 40 bucks lolgarrett_duffman
I wish we has a playntrade around here. We do rent a lot. It just makes more sense than to go out and buy every game the kids or I want.
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#36 lex_in_the_moon
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It's an opinion, some people like games that other people hate and I just see it that a game having a higer average review score just says you have a bigger chance of liking this. Some games aren't for everyone.

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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]theres this store called playntrade that i went to for the first time recently near town, and they actually let you play the game you want in store before you buy it to make an educated decision. Personally, i think that renting is the best way to go, especially with kids, because if there are technical issues with the game or hard parts or something, you can first see how your kid handles it before deciding to buy it, or if they beat it and got old with it within the rental period, then you just saved yourself 30 to 40 bucks lolDDRMom
I wish we has a playntrade around here. We do rent a lot. It just makes more sense than to go out and buy every game the kids or I want.

definately, gaming gets more expensive every year. it makes more sense to just live in the last gen of gaming, that way all the games are like 10 bucks, and the consoles are all under 100
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#38 nini200
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a Score equals someone's OPINION on a game making it their experience with a game THUS having no effect or say on what your experience with said game will be. Paraphrased, I don't like reviews or scores.

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Not really, just helps to give the game(s) more better attention among the audience. In fact a perfect 10 score game may not appeal to certain average players, at the same time a low scoring game may be fun for others that could understand it.