Call for a new recommendation thread (56k)

This is just a test, and therefore not complete. I do not plan on this being the final product.What do you think?

These are the games that no Wii owner should be without. They stand out from the rest of the Wii's library, and often utilize its unique controller for the better. If you are new to the Wii, I suggest you check out these titles before any other as they really are the best of the best.


My Take: Don't waste your time reading this; if you love action, you'll love this game... What are you still doing here? You really want an explanation? Fine: It was a ground-breaking game in 2005 on the GameCube, and thanks to the new Wii controls, it's still just as amazing nearly two-and-a-half years later. Satisfied?

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My Take: I was weary about filing this title under must-haves because,out of three Paper Mario games, this is admittedly my least favorite. But I can't deny that it's still fantastic. It's Charming, unique, and fun.What makes it a must-have is its longevity.I did not participate in anyside-quests, and my total time clocked in at just under 33 hours. The amount of time you'll spend making your way through this title is more than worth the price of admission.

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My Take: I'll admit that it's not the longest game out there (I've put about eight hours into it), but it currently stands as the best example of what the Wii-remote can do. And when you're done with the main game, a few sweet multi-player options show up that'll keep you and you friends busy for days.

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My Take: There's something to be said about a game that can show up on the Wii without any significant changes to the control and still be fantastic. Even though the game can be played just as well with a traditional controller, it contains an absolutely epic quest (My experience, without side-quests, capped at 46 hours), with endearing characters and jaw-dropping boss battles. This is a definite must-have, no doubt.

There are two ingredients that go into the recipe of a Black-List title. The first, and most obvious, is thatthe game must be a bad one. But the second, and most important ingredient, is that said game must look like a great game from the outside. These are the games that teach us not to judge a book by its cover. Although it may look like a tempting purchase, avoid these game like the plague. Much like a bully, they exist only to take your money and make you cry.
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This is a dissapointment on nearly every level, but because I don't want to waste your time, I'll only tell you the most important one: This is a mediocre PSP game with thrown-in Wii controlsand an inflated price of $50. But unfortunately, even if the game had launched at $5, it still wouldn't be worth your time.

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If this looks like a first-generation GameCube game, that's because it is. Originally released in Japan in 2001, Ubisoft repackaged for the Wii almost six full years later with only the most basic of Wii controls. The worst part? They tried to make it a must-have by packaging it with a peice of plastic shaped like a sterring wheel.

Yeah man, make new one, it looks 100 times better than other one.mad_max1

Thanks! :)

hey can u put up recomendations for the VCmusicman748

yeah, i already have a bunch made. i just don't wanna waste the time making this if it doesn't take the place of the current thread.

Meh. The flashy images are cool, but all that really matters when it comes down to it is if the thread is updated. CheezyFrog did a great job updating at first: the recommendation thread was one of the best I've ever seen. However, he soon stopped updating and as of right now, it'd been 13 days since he's even edited his post.

Still, we don't need a million recommendation threads. If you REALLY will update (and yes, that takes A LOT of work and you have to be consistent) then yes, this should definately replace the old recommendation thread. But if you just want to get your name on a stickied thread, maybe you should think again.

Props to you though for the great photoshop job (I'm assuming it's photoshop :P)... it really does look great.

Meh. The flashy images are cool, but all that really matters when it comes down to it is if the thread is updated. CheezyFrog did a great job updating at first: the recommendation thread was one of the best I've ever seen. However, he soon stopped updating and as of right now, it'd been 13 days since he's even edited his post.

Still, we don't need a million recommendation threads. If you REALLY will update (and yes, that takes A LOT of work and you have to be consistent) then yes, this should definately replace the old recommendation thread. But if you just want to get your name on a stickied thread, maybe you should think again.

Props to you though for the great photoshop job (I'm assuming it's photoshop :P)... it really does look great.

ParkCarsHere

Yep, it's photoshop!

I'd set it up to be updated every saturday, and just answer questions in the thread every day.

It looks great, good job. But, despite what everybody says, i still somehow love red steel so far. Even though im only 25% though....lol:Pjeff16950_demon

I like it too, but I got it for 20 bucks so there is very little room for Buyers remorse.

You're going to need at least 5 pages though. I say redo this thread and reserve the next 6 posts for yourself because eventually you'll need more than one page.

Maybe you and Cheezy could work TOGETHER though.

I'd rather have it the exact opposite

Less flash more substance. That's really just the back of the boxes put in a post which helps no one and people are able to check the scores anywhere. Put something in that people can't get anywhere else and you'd have something people can use.

yeah, i know, just a format test. i just don't want to waste the time doing this if no one likes it.luzer7072

lol, i'm calling buyer's remorse; red steel is not a good game. it's glitchy, buggy, the sword controls hardly ever worked for me, the enemies call you ridiculous names like "moron"& "idiot", and despite the name red steel, there is absolutely no blood. keep in mind, however, i'm not by any means suggesting that blood makes a good game.

and i know that you could point out thatthe controlsjust didn't work for me, but 1) this is not true, as have said nearly every review, and 2) much like ssx blur, you can't really reccomend a game that only works for some.

OK, I didn't mean to be misleading in my post. I really did just slap down a few jpgs to see what everyone thought. if this were to take over, i'd make a new thread to be stickied, and set aside seven posts:

1. an introductory post with a few accessory reccomendations
2. the must-haves
3. great buys
4. special interest games (such as Pokemon battle revolution and romance of the3 kingdoms VC)
5. black list tiles
6. VC reccomendations
7. reserved for future posts

Please don't look at the sample and think that my plan is simply to slap down a few pics and call it a day. First and foremost, my plan is to take off games that have no business being there. Second I'd update it once a week with any new titles that apply to the list.

As to why I wouldn't put lesser titles like ExciteTruck, etc., it's because they're not worth it in their current form. Were this title to drop to $20, it'd be a great buy.

If anyone is wondering why VC would have it's own list, it's because many Wii owners don't have access to the internet. I probably wouldn't make as many reccomendations there, considering how big the library is, but I would point out a few key titles and, more importantly, black-list the bad ones like super street fighter 2. Why is SSF2 a black-list game? Because it's got a sequal that has all the features of the first + more options. Kinda like the difference between the core and premium 360, except they cost the same amount.

The sword controls were bad yes, but the shooter glitch NEVER happened to me. Not once. The voice acting is actually pretty good, although it can become annoying. I don't see why your complaining.nintendofreak_2

I'm complaining because the game was hyped to high hell and back as a revolutionary game that would change the standard FPS as we know it. But what we got instead was a generic, mediocre shooter with generations-old production values and controls that didn't always work. If the controls don't work 100% of the time, it's just really hard to reccomend.

This thread has my blessing. I like this one more as it provides better info and actually looks at the games.

But i'd like it more if you went with the Metacritic score or something instead of the Gamespot reviews. that way its a general overall score not just one persons opinion.

lol, i'm calling buyer's remorse; red steel is not a good game. it's glitchy, buggy, the sword controls hardly ever worked for me, the enemies call you ridiculous names like "moron"& "idiot", and despite the name red steel, there is absolutely no blood. keep in mind, however, i'm not by any means suggesting that blood makes a good game.

and i know that you could point out thatthe controlsjust didn't work for me, but 1) this is not true, as have said nearly every review, and 2) much like ssx blur, you can't really reccomend a game that only works for some.

luzer7072

WOW we must have played different games. I think RS is a good game. I mean the sword fighting isint all that great, but the rest works. I'm sorry,but if you had a problem with the controls its not the games faughlt.

My two cents....

It's going to be impossible to make a recommendation thread that pleases everyone. There will always be disagreement about which games should or shouldn't be in the recommended list. Highlighting a variety of games is what provides the most help, in my opinion. At least in the introduction.

The real meat of a recommendation thread is in the responses. If someone looks through the games and still can't decide, he'll usually ask in the thread, listing out various personal preferences. The help he gets in response is what really makes a recommendation thread work. And so far, the current thread does that. And CheezyFrog is doing reasonably well with keeping it updated.

But I'll keep you in mind in case the situation ever changes, so at least hold on to these images and your ideas.

alright, whatevs. I'm not trying to call out cheezy andhijack his thread specifically, I just see about seven "What game should I get?" threads every single day. And I figured that this might be because the reccomendation thread isn't doing its job. Not a slam against cheesy, I just don't think it's working in its current form.

Butthis is me officially backing off of this subject. It's obvious I hit a chord with a few people and even offended others.

@ ff94, I still say you can't reccomend a game that doesn't work all the time. But beyond that, I maintain that its production values, especially its cut-scenes were an obvious sign of cut corners.

Here's a point of reference... If I'm not mistaken, the very same development studio produced a much better game on all consoles a few years ago called XIII. It has better voice work, cut scenes, and game play that works... all the time. And when something like that is available for purchase on the Wii for under six dollars, Red Steel looks even worse. It got the hype train rolling when it was first announced, but it cut orners everywhere possible. and oh my god, the framerate...

This thread has my blessing. I like this one more as it provides better info and actually looks at the games.

But i'd like it more if you went with the Metacritic score or something instead of the Gamespot reviews. that way its a general overall score not just one persons opinion.

ryustruck

I say use Gamerankings. It averages out all the top review sights.

I really like this one, you should keep it man. Though I'd like to see one made for the VC ... but you know, waht else I'd like to see is reviews from other website too - I mean, DBZ got an 8.0 on IGN, but like a 6.0 on GS and it's a great game so hey.nishamuffypuppy

I just see about seven "What game should I get?" threads every single day. And I figured that this might be because the reccomendation thread isn't doing its job. Not a slam against cheesy, I just don't think it's working in its current form.luzer7072

I think that's more due to two things: 1) People don't read the stickies, and 2) people know that they're more likely to get responses from a new thread rather than one with hundreds of replies.

I appreciate your desire to help the forums, though, I really do. :)

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This thread has my blessing. I like this one more as it provides better info and actually looks at the games.

But i'd like it more if you went with the Metacritic score or something instead of the Gamespot reviews. that way its a general overall score not just one persons opinion.

Duckman5

I say use Gamerankings. It averages out all the top review sights.

Yes agree, because I love Alien Syndrome, one of my best game on the Wii so far, I rarely agree with gamespot review. It got 5,8 on the user score but if you look on the detailed list, you have few low scores and a good number of high scores. So I don't think average is representative.

Maybe you could mention why some people liked a certain game (not just Alien Syndrome) and why others didn't. I know it's more work, but it gives a more realistic view. People gonna see the 5. something and gonna say: "Well, this sucks." When in reality, it's the opinion of one person. Some, like me, are willing to look over the flaws of a game and decides to enjoy it. Also, I know it's a work and progress but use more spaces between the text and images, right now is kind of chaotic, hard to read. Other than that, good job.

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[QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="ryustruck"]

This thread has my blessing. I like this one more as it provides better info and actually looks at the games.

But i'd like it more if you went with the Metacritic score or something instead of the Gamespot reviews. that way its a general overall score not just one persons opinion.

vnc20100

I say use Gamerankings. It averages out all the top review sights.

Yes agree, because I love Alien Syndrome, one of my best game on the Wii so far, I rarely agree with gamespot review. It got 5,8 on the user score but if you look on the detailed list, you have few low scores and a good number of high scores. So I don't think average is representative.

Maybe you could mention why some people liked a certain game (not just Alien Syndrome) and why others didn't. I know it's more work, but it gives a more realistic view. People gonna see the 5. something and gonna say: "Well, this sucks." When in reality, it's the opinion of one person. Some, like me, are willing to look over the flaws of a game and decides to enjoy it. Also, I know it's a work and progress but use more spaces between the text and images, right now is kind of chaotic, hard to read. Other than that, good job.

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Wow. Ok, I've seriously backed off the call for a new recommendation thread, if anyone's curious why I'm still posting in this thread.

vnc, I must applaud your ability (as well as others in this thread who are fans of Red Steel), to put up with shoddy games. It truly amazes me that people like you can look past a game's poor production values, numerous bugs, and monotonous, derivative gameplay to see a good game. Your ability to put up with this BS is one that I will never have. I'm led to think of this as a Mother's love, but seeing as these awful games are not your children, I guess that analogy doesn't work...

What I really don't understand though is why so many people choose to pass up the great games to play turds like Red Steel and Alien Syndrome. What is it that draws you into these titles?

EDIT: I just read this and I sound like a sarcastic asstard. I just want to point out that this was not my intention. I know my distaste for the aforementioned games shines through, but please know it's not my intention to be rude.

[QUOTE="vnc20100"][QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="ryustruck"]

This thread has my blessing. I like this one more as it provides better info and actually looks at the games.

But i'd like it more if you went with the Metacritic score or something instead of the Gamespot reviews. that way its a general overall score not just one persons opinion.

luzer7072

I say use Gamerankings. It averages out all the top review sights.

Yes agree, because I love Alien Syndrome, one of my best game on the Wii so far, I rarely agree with gamespot review. It got 5,8 on the user score but if you look on the detailed list, you have few low scores and a good number of high scores. So I don't think average is representative.

Maybe you could mention why some people liked a certain game (not just Alien Syndrome) and why others didn't. I know it's more work, but it gives a more realistic view. People gonna see the 5. something and gonna say: "Well, this sucks." When in reality, it's the opinion of one person. Some, like me, are willing to look over the flaws of a game and decides to enjoy it. Also, I know it's a work and progress but use more spaces between the text and images, right now is kind of chaotic, hard to read. Other than that, good job.

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Wow. Ok, I've seriously backed off the call for a new recommendation thread, if anyone's curious why I'm still posting in this thread.

vnc, I must applaud your ability (as well as others in this thread who are fans of Red Steel), to put up with shoddy games. It truly amazes me that people like you can look past a game's poor production values, numerous bugs, and monotonous, derivative gameplayto see a good game. Your ability to put up with this BS is one that I will never have. I'm led to think of this as a Mother's love, but seeing as these awful games are not your children, I guess that analogy doesn't work...

What I really don't understand though is why so many people choose to pass up the great games to play turds like Red Steel and Alien Syndrome. What is it that draws you into these titles?

Alien Syndrome is an action rpg with tons of customizations. Actually, look at the user scores in detail, you'll see that I'm not the only one who enjoyed this game. Have you played it? I played with 2 friends and my sis and they all liked it. GS doesn't represent the general user.

What I really don't understand though is why so many people choose to pass up the great games to play turds like Red Steel and Alien Syndrome.luzer7072

You don't have to pass up great games to play the bad ones. Most of the people who can put up with the turds probably enjoy the good games as well. For example, my favorite Wii game so far is Tiger Woods. I've seen plenty of people on this forum say it's horrible, it has bad graphics, etc. But I like it and would recommend it to anyone who likes golf. But I also own Zelda and Super Paper Mario, and would probably own some other great games if I had the money.

Some games are just fun to play, regardless of how great they are. Even some turds make you laugh. You know, like the ones that are so big that you know half of it is down the pipe but the other half is still in the bowl curled around the edge a few times. Or the ones that have whole chunks of food still in them. They're turds, but they still provide entertainment. ;)

Alien Syndrome is an action rpg with tons of customizations. Actually, look at the user scores in detail, you'll see that I'm not the only one who enjoyed this game. Have you played it? I played with 2 friends and my sis and they all liked it. GS doesn't represent the general user.vnc20100

How could I develop an opinion about something I never played? Yes, I have played it, as a rental. It was awful experience. I especially couldn't imagine paying $50.00 for it. I'm glad you had fun with it though.

I don't think GS's goal is to represent the general user, I think their goal is to review games and tell us what they think about them. When they give a game a low rating, I don't think they're to tell you to hate the game, I think they're telling not to spend your money on it.

It dissapoints me that there are only 4 games on the Must Haves and then all those stinkers. Meh, whatever, wait til later this year. =)

But on topic, awesome thread. Definitely an improvement upon the old one.

[QUOTE="vnc20100"]Alien Syndrome is an action rpg with tons of customizations. Actually, look at the user scores in detail, you'll see that I'm not the only one who enjoyed this game. Have you played it? I played with 2 friends and my sis and they all liked it. GS doesn't represent the general user.luzer7072

How could I develop an opinion about something I never played? Yes, I have played it, as a rental. It was awful experience. I especially couldn't imagine paying $50.00 for it. I'm glad you had fun with it though.

I don't think GS's goal is to represent the general user, I think their goal is to review games and tell us what they think about them. When they give a game a low rating, I don't think they're to tell you to hate the game, I think they're telling not to spend your money on it.

ya, dude. GS is basicaly saying wait until the game is like $15 to buy.................. they should have a money rating or something.

[QUOTE="luzer7072"]What I really don't understand though is why so many people choose to pass up the great games to play turds like Red Steel and Alien Syndrome.JordanElek

You don't have to pass up great games to play the bad ones. Most of the people who can put up with the turds probably enjoy the good games as well. For example, my favorite Wii game so far is Tiger Woods. I've seen plenty of people on this forum say it's horrible, it has bad graphics, etc. But I like it and would recommend it to anyone who likes golf. But I also own Zelda and Super Paper Mario, and would probably own some other great games if I had the money.

Some games are just fun to play, regardless of how great they are. Even some turds make you laugh. You know, like the ones that are so big that you know half of it is down the pipe but the other half is still in the bowl curled around the edge a few times. Or the ones that have whole chunks of food still in them. They're turds, but they still provide entertainment. ;)

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I... uh... don't really know how to respond to that.

Maybe... well, yeah, we all like to laugh at poop sometimes, but there isn't someone there charging admission, right?

It dissapoints me that there are only 4 games on the Must Haves and then all those stinkers. Meh, whatever, wait til later this year. =)

But on topic, awesome thread. Definitely an improvement upon the old one.

stevenk4k5

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It kinda makes me look like a negative nancy, doesn't it? I only listed the must-haves and the blak list. there's a sizeable list of great buys as well.

I really liked this idea and I think we should have two recommendation threads. The other recommendation thread is also doing great and this one is kinda different so why not sticky both?Phanrang

i'll quietly work on this one in the backround. when i'm done, i'll bring it up again by PMing the mod that was on this thread and talking to him about it.